tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC October 11, 2021 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
thank you for letting us in your home. the beat starts right now. happy monday. >> happy monday. thank you so much. welcome to "the beat." we're tracking a lot. including a special guest on the 30th anniversary of her ground breaking testimony. anita hill is my special guest. we begin with the story in washington. joe biden continues these meetings and back room negotiations and phone calls and all the other ways that politicians keep in touch to see if they can get past the finish line on the spending deal. against that backdrop we have seen headlines where people in the press and the d.c. media are telling democrats they are in danger or this is a problem or things are going downhill. that may be true but it all depends on the future. i can tell you pundits in the media are not good at predictions. look at recent history or recent
elections. that's why we are in an interesting moment this week because while there is the possibility that things could go badly if biden's entire legislative and spending agenda went up in flame, that would be bad. there's also the possibility they find a solution. they get to finish line and unlikely every one will be remembering or pondering that moment in the 8th inning where it looked debatable. the president is urging his party to stay united. take a look. >> you know, our message is simple. we need to stay together and bound by the values that we hold as a party. here's the deal. we won 2020 as a unified party. we look to 2022, as we do that, we need to stay unified. >> that's the argument coming from the top democrat in the country, the president. a democrat that many politicos
remember who served as governor of virginia and ran the dnc, he's running as a candidate now and he's striking a little bit of a different note as a democratic candidate in a kind of a swing state of virginia. take a look. >> we have got frustration with washington. why haven't we passed this infrastructure bill. it passed the u.s. senate with 69 votes two months ago. we're tired of the chitty chat up in washington. get in a room and get this figured out. get it done this week. do your job. >> the idea there's work left undone at this moment is not just coming from, as mentioned , the headline writers. it's become a bit of a punch line which always tells you when a certain narrative is starting to be absorbed around the country. this is how snl referred to the idea that maybe the democrats have a lot on their to do list in their send up of the facebook hearing. >> what facebook has done is disgraceful and you better
believe congress will be taking action right after we pass the infrastructure bill, raise the debt ceiling, prosecute those from the january 6th insurrection and stop trump from using facebook. after all that, watch out facebook. you have some republicans and conserative who is say while it embraces the big lie and trumpism is a vote against american democracy. one of those republican leaders who signed a piece, joins me now. the former governor of new jersey. good evening to both of you. governor, i only briefly paraphrased part of your warning while looking at washington in general. tell us why, as mentioned, a
former bush official, you say the right thing to do and i guess most cases is vote democratic in the next election. >> for those republican who is have stood up to the big lie. how our country functions best when both parties are talking to one another. when they are willing the find consensus. right now the republican party is represented by many who continue to spread and talk about this big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. it wasn't stolen. it's a been proven again and again. this is part of an effort to undermine the public's confidence in our electoral system. when you have democrats on the
far left asking for everything but the kitchen sink in the big bills that have yet to be passed and threaten their own party's president legacy, you get to the point where you say this has got to stop. we have got to get people in the center of willing to work together. >> i hear you on that. some of those headlines may look over wrought depending on what happens but the governor makes the point there's a lot riding on biden getting something done here. >> yeah. you'll hearing that frustration as we heard just now from people like governor. you'll hearing it from charles blow in new york times as well. the sense the democrats are squandering an opportunity. the problem with their vision,
the governor laying out there and laid out in may as well is this notion of consensus of sometimes voting strategically which is something that happens in parliamentary democracies a lot. there isn't much appetite amongst progressive democrats for that kind of consensus. progressive democrats are frustrated they are not getting much of their agenda through. >> well, governor, how do you respond to that? >> well, i think there are, as there are with the republican party, there are a number of
people who maybe don't keep the title anymore and moved independent or unaffiliated voters who feel the same pressure from the left that i understand are worried about it. there's democrats that have come up to us as part of the renew america movement and said we want to join too because we're not happy. it's been more independents, i'll give you that. republicans and independents. talk about democrats have got to be willing to sensible republicans. there's no question about it. they should start to work for the people. >> do you think there's anything else the president can do here at a time where sometimes seems
like the co-presidency in the senate with the manchin or sinema wing. is there anything he can do to get this time line moving before it's thanksgiving? >> get out to american people in that bill and get off the table the top line number. polls are suggesting that came out, they like the element of this bill. they don't know what's in it. only 40% of people polled in that poll actually knew there was an element of that bill that would reduce drug prices and give them drug care and dental care. what they know more is it's going to cost 3.5 trillion. they know the top line figure.
>> the state executive and federal level, i'm curious what you think about that. at a risk of an overly simplified analogy, if people are trying to decide where to go to dinner and the entire discussion is about we could go to this place that's 15 bucks, shake shack or this place that's 40 bucks sushi or this places hundreds of bucks, caviar or coated pasta. all you're hearing are the numbers and nobody is mentioning the cuisine. at a certain point you're narrowing the way people are making the decision. they're only thinking about the restaurant bill.
we know some of the data shows public is there. whether they are hearing about it seems to be a different political question. >> i think that's right. what the focus should be on this, why should you care about this bill. that's the leadership is about. leadership is about getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it. in order to do that, you've got to convince them why this matters to them. why is this a good thing for them to do. the numbers, alone, aren't the answer. they will scare everybody. i'm worried about our deficit which will come due to us at some point. i also understand the need for some bold action and for infrastructure. there's no question about it. it's a disgrace in this country, a country as big as ours. it's a huge job opportunity when the economy is not growing at the way and the jobs aren't
growing at the rate that every one hopes and would like to see. i think that's a very, very valid point. >> katy. >> yeah, you can make similar points not just for the infrastructure bill. you look at child care provisions. america woefully behind on its child care provisions. let's knock sot heads together. let's note focus on the in-fighting. that means giving some things up. when you ask people the give up programs that they like, it's very hard for them to do that. it's easy to say let's slash it from 3.5. slash it down to two.
that's a win. you can make it popular. people will lose a lot of their programs that they wanted in that 1.5 trillion that might be lost. those programs are really needed. >> i think all that makes sense. the other update we wanted to give is what appears to be a covid breakthrough on this so-called antiviral covid drug. merck. they are seeking emergency authorization. the idea is to treat certain quote mild covid symptoms and the cases meanwhile are on the decline in the united states. >> it's a good time to reflect
on why it's important to get vaccinated but go out there and enjoy halloween as well as the other holidays that will be coming up. >> i won't ask katy what your halloween costume is going to be. i will ask what you think about this good news. dr. fauci finds different time periods to celebrate. there was a period, i should say in all objectivity where people would have thought right post-vaccine saturation, march, april, that we wouldn't be talking about this going into halloween. we are given the difference with family, students, schools. what do you think about what looks like a rebound for america on covid? >> let's hope we are heading into a period where there's a slew of holidays coming up and we can enjoy all of them. we all feel a little hesitant. one thing we have learned is some humility.
we can't predict the future too much when it comes to this virus but we hope and you've got to love dr. fauci even when he is plugging halloween, he's telling you to think about getting vaccinated. i'm not sure it will be first thing on my kids minds but nice he's still plugging it. >> fair enough. we need the communal experiences where ever we can find them. always good to see you. thank you for joining us here on the beat. my thanks to the governor who was part of this discussion earlier. i want to tell you what we have coming up. speaking out on the legal clashes that face a party wedded to trumpism and trying to over turn elections and then later tonight, anita hill on the 30th anniversary of her ground breaking testimony. what changes, what hasn't. we get into law, civil rights and policy. that's live only right here tonight on "the beat." "the bea"
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>> i've been very clear from the beginning. if you look a number, states they didn't follow the state passed laws. >> there are states that didn't follow the legislatively set rules. >> states that did not follow the law set which the constitution says they are supposed follow. when you you see states like georgia cleaning up the mess and people calling that jim crow law, that's a flat out lie. >> a lawyer would tell you this is a witness not answering the question. he's trying to support the big lie and fanning the idea that somehow this election was stolen against the law, which is false. republican liz cheney is warning the party about doubling down on election lies. scalise dodge is an attack on
our constitutional republic. trump taking the stage where he was back pushing the big lie to an audience on board. >> he didn't get elected. forget that. i never conceded. never. never conceded. no reason to concede. when you look at numbers of these swing states. the election was a fraud. the election fraud of 2020 presidential election. nobody's ever seen anything like that. >> it went on on. that's the only part we're going to show for the purpose of fact checking. lies coming from the candidate, the former president and the response from a crowd believing him. donald trump fueling this attack on democracy. people are on board. senator grassley accepting the endorsement. he condemned the behavior on january 6th. as for the reporting and this is part of it to understand what's happening in the country, to
understand why people are ending up where they are. here is what one maga fan told nbc cameras. >> we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i see civil war coming. >> that's what somebody sees. why do they see it? what are the sources of seeing something so violent on our horizon? it's because of what more potentially informed responsible people are saying. missing trump aide has opinion found and hit with a subpoena, abc reporting. donald trump like what he saw on january 6th. both boasting about size of what was a felonious crowd. you can see this is not going away. this is serious.
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. joining us is former solicitor general. i want to play a bit more of what bill mahr said. >> trump will run in 2024. he will get the republican nomination and whatever happens on election niepgts, the next day he will announce he won. of the 15 republicans running for secretary of states in the key battleground states only two can see that biden won that election. these are the people trump is going to call on in 2024 when he's a few votes short. >> neil, that's not just a bit. it refers to real true things happening. your view on this tonight. >> yeah. he's right. these republican leaders have to get a grip on reality. they are like some mushroom
taking college student who is have lost any sense of what's real anymore. facts are donald trump lost everywhere and bigly. 63 different court decisions against him. the u.s. supreme court, which is not exactly hostile territory to donald trump said no to him time and again. i think he's right to say what's going on now is a new incarnation of what trump tried before. it's kind of coup 2.0. 1.0 was the ham handed military attack on the capital. 2.0 tries to use legal maneuvers like voing practice vagss going on in texas and a bill in arizona that will take the vote out of the hands of people for the president and put it in the state legislature and i don't think most -- you might not know who your state legislatures are. that's preposterous. that's what they are doing. by any means necessary, they just want to get their guy elected. >> i'm curious what you think as
a constitutional scholar as well. one of the long term benefits of federalism is supposed to be that certain things are handled better at the local level. we think of this as a liberal conserative clash but historically liberals and conservatives agree on certain things that are rightly local and other things they can debate should or should not be federal. we have a patch work election system. here rather than it being something done by some local preference, maybe say a nonpartisan reason relating to urban organization or rural distance that you might have a systemic change in how you do it. here, it's kind of antifederalist thing because it's just donald trump demanding something and all these local municipalities and states jumping lock step to do it. i'm curious whether you see a hole in the system here? >> i totally agree with everything you said. i'd add to that that democrats
and republicans used to agree on democracy. at the greatst thing we have, our greatest privilege is the ability to select our leaders. now even that's up for grabs. it's true when ever they introduce one of these bills they say there's no technical provision on the constitution that forbids this sub clause or that sub clause. you know and i know as lawyers the constitution, our laws there's spirit behind the laws and the letter of the law. as chief justice marshal said it's only going to mark the great outlines. the most central is democracy and letting people vote. what these people are doing is spitting on that spirit and undermining democracy. >> very clearly put. we have an update do a story. neil, if you're like any other human being or parent, i'm sure
you won't mind this introduction. there was some sort of washington legal intrigue about what it meant when the biden administration was signaling what they were going to do about trump trying to hide behind executive privilege and whether they over stated it was case by case. here is the headline, i want to update with on a story we have been tracking. biden blocks attempt by trump to withhold white house documents. the white house writing president biden has determines any assertion of executive impressive lenl is not in the best interest of the united states and not justified to any of the documents. legally that's his biggest slam dunk loss for donald trump, you can get. dunked on at the buzzer. neil, what you said prove to be true that while they did change the language and said we'll do this case by case and said this in case blocked trump.
walk us through your thoughts. >> it's a zone of secrecy around the president and meant to protect the institution of the presidency, not the personal defects of the president. the minute that donald trump decided to turn his back on the democratic process, he stopped acting as the president and started acting like a small hapless self. i'm not surprised at all to see the biden administration take this position. we shouldn't be surprised that donald trump will sue the national archives trying to delay this because delaying is really the only thing he's good at and the national archives is the home of the constitution meaning it hosts two sets of documents donald trump would prefer we all ignore. i expect this to go to litigation. i think the chances of donald trump winning are nonnonexisten. he's the former guy and the supreme guy has been pretty clear in saying it's really much more up to the president
incumbent to assert executive privilege. some of these people want to executive privilege for like steve bannon. they weren't federal employees. this is donald trump, delay, unconstitutional stop telling the truth. it's remarkable. he recorded a video, donald trump, this weekend for ashley babbitt, the woman who died. any loss of life is sad to me but in this video he calls for an investigation into what happened with ashley losing her life on january 6th which there you have it, it's the only time you'll hear donald trump call for an investigation into an officer involved shooting and on january 6th, the irony events. on one hand he says executive privilege and can't turn anything over and on the other he's calling for this investigation. it makes no sense. >> really striking all around. neil on more than one topic, really good to have you.
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do you see that coming out of this you can be a hero in the civil rights movement? >> i do not have that kind of complex. i don't like all the attention that i'm getting. >> just a quick example of some of the patronizing questioning that civil rights lawyer anita hill faced. this was 30 years ago today, to the day. including from democrats. on there historic day, she joins us live in this segment in a moment. her ground breaking testimony that day took place in a very specific political gender context in front of an all white, all male senate judiciary committee as the nation saw with its own eyes and debated very specific story, allegations and evidence of workplace sexual harassment. that committee included then senator joe biden and many other
individuals who did not look like the rest of america. today that committee has four women on it. there are many different ways that people have come out, gotten more politically involved, stood up and fought these battles while recently plerk saw a whole other cohort of women standing up in the me too movement. take a look. >> epstein was arrested saturday on charges of sex trafficking involving minors that date back nearly 20 years. >> the wake of larry nassar's conviction, now his former boss has been charged with criminal sexual conduct. >> r. kelly is facing decades behind bars. the singer found guilty on nine federal counts of racketeering and sex trafficking. >> an advocacy law and politics,
there are measurable games. yet it almost goes without saying if you're watching the news, your familiar with some of how america works today that 27 years after the testimony, we saw an echo that didn't feel like much had changed when christine ford came forward accusing then judge and supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh of sexual assault. she went through that grueling ordeal with testimony about the incident in public. both men sit together on the supreme court ever. hill writes about all this in the new book believing a bit of memoir and oonl sis. she discussing some of those parallels in 1991 and 2018 were political theaters part of a deeply flawed mo sesz that remains kwiets damaging to victim of gerunds violence. thank you for coming on the
beat. >> thank you. >> there's so much of the history here. i want to begin with some of your work right now that is paying it forward. this hollywood commission that tries to deal with structural, gender inequity and discrimination and looks at issues regarding civil right, people of color, the killing of black people in america and how that all fits together. before we go back, why not go forward. tell us about your work there, what people should know. >> the work at the hollywood commission is centered on ending harassment. it's also centered on greater diversity and inclusion because we know from all of the research, not only our own research but the research it's done nation wide that the best way to have a harassment free work environment is to have more diverse decision makers and
policy makers. we necessarily put the two together in terms of our mission and goal. >> yes. in the book and in this work, there's also a real issue of the evidence. you have to look at, lawyers do, what do we know about the underlying evidence which also can help rebut other types of discrimination of assumption, just sort of having personality base narratives. one piece of evidence that you've worked on is the fact that black women, in particular, face a higher rate of this kind of abuse. 35% of black women facing sexual violence at some point in their lives. where does reform fit into that statistic? >> we realize is that women of color, generally, experience more violence. they experience more harassment in the workplace, typically. in fact, what they find also is
that the systems that are in place respond differently to them. that is they do not get the fair shake when they pursue their claims. what it comes down to is in order to eliminate gender violence for women of color, black women, native women, really every demographic group of color and got to deal with racism. you can't simply deal with the sexism that's obvious in gender base violence. you have to deal with racism as well because racism is compoundsing the abuse and the violence and the risk. >> one of the horrific parts of this but the one that's important for people to understand is how that plays forward to any new situation. there's a bit of a retroguard, rear guard attack on these kind of reforms by saying what was a
long time ago and we're in a new era and yada yada. covid was a new thing. as soon as it entered our health care system and our economic system and political system, we saw all kinds of racism. you mentioned the story of a black woman doctor, now deceased, about how she was treated. i want to play a bit of that so people can see with their own eyes. >> i only received two treatments. you don't need it. they made me feel like i was a drug addict. i maintained if i was white, i
wouldn't have to go through that. this is how black people get killed. >> the words of a doctor fighting for her life. she did die. we uncoffered some of that. >> i wanted to, every one up front and be aware of the lack of believability but the idea that we women and women of color particular aren't truthful about the experiences. we are di missed. we have this dismissive response to women who complain about sexual assault ar intimate partner violence or sexual
harassment. wii told it's not so bad. it could have contributed to a death. it should have informed the doctors response to her. we survivors and victims have knowledge that should be responded to. i was struck by those cases that you showed. epstein as well as weinstein and kelly and took decades for there to be any kind of response.
effective response to stop these individuals. it took years and decades and multiple victims in order to get any kind of relief. the systems are clearly failing all of us. >> it's so important. you're speaking about the laws broken math. that in a certain case, where a white person observes a killing, there are murder witness, one eyewitness, a lot of cases that will get it done. if the law because of its is dealing with, as you mentioned women alleging sexual assault. more women are victims or women of color, as you say being under counted and the math becomes
horrifically cruelly clear. it took six or 18 people to account for what one victim or witness would have worked for in another case. you brought up something that i know you write about. i want to read this to the viewers so you can expound on it which is the privilege of being broadly free from violence as a part of one's life or coping mechanism. you write a drawing on the work of the feminist here. you write, how she linked physical safety to empowerment. we continue to demand that women political candidates have superior credentials, demeanor and temperament to white men. walk us through that point against the more hopeful news as mentioned briefly of a congress that does have more women in it than any before. sdplp yes.
that is hopeful news. i'm grateful to have lived in an era where the numbers have increased dramatically. they're still not to your party and they're still troubled, difficulty as i talk about in the book. getting legislation that is specifically related to gender equity. we have violence against women's act that has been languishing in committee for some time noi and maybe over a year. i think it was over a year. we have not responded. if you look at the numbers that i talk about, if you look at the pervasiveness of this problem, in ten million individuals will be victims of intimate partner violence. if you look at the problems happening in our school, it's grossly undercounted.
there's not a clear message. our colleges and universities now, students are demonstrating across the country. look at what's happened nearly every year or so. the scandal in the military about sexual assault or harassment in the military. we have nation wide problem. it is undermining all of our institution, including our political institutions where people lack confidence in the government's ability to respond to these issues. nowhere was that more evident than in 2018 with christine ford. >> you've been generous with your time. a bit of news here on "the beat. ". you spoke with dr. ford.
>> they said, i believe you. it was a bit awkward. sort of like i had told them my name is christine and they said, i believe you. >> i like there idea of really interrogating this approach of i believe you. what does that say? i don't know other people don't believer you. what is it saying? >> i think that's it. >> i'm still not able to put where i can help every been vio should step forward in a system. i can't tell them that. >> how did you feel speaking with her? what did you glean from the conversation? >> it was really for me a very personal conversation about how she could continue to survive
because she did face the threat. her family was at risk. everything, her job was at risk. i had been there. i wanted her to know it could get better. whatever she chooses to do, it's her choice. i made the choice. i decided i wanted to gain as much information as i could. i wanted know as much about it. i wanted to be part of change so that we could really address the problem in the bigger sense, not just about sexual harassment but about the whole range of behaviors that people are experiencing every day. that is harming them directly and harming all of us indirectly. >> understood. it's very interesting. it's important work. there's a lot left undone.
i know that's why you do this work. i appreciate you joining us. >> i'm also hopeful that there can be change. there's been a lot of knowledge we are gained since then and there's a lot of energy behener behind this and the public is behind it. after 30 years, i want people to know that i am hopeful we can change for the better and not pass this on to another generation. >> amen. and that's a fitting point there for us to reflect on. anita hill, thank you and remind everyone the book is "believing." we will be right back. book is "believing." we will be right back. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need
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