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welcome back. i'm yasmin vossoughian. this hour a reckoning this week. a subpoena shutdown on capitol hill over four key players in the investigation into january 6 capitol riots and committee members promising they won't take no for an answer. >> we also want to make sure that these witnesses come in and testify and we are prepared to go forward and urge the justice department to criminally prosecute anyone who does not do their lawful duty. and then get this. new book revealing a shocking new example of how far donald trump is willing to go to sow doubt about the 2020 election involving thermostats controlling votes. this as the former president makes it clear he's ready to run again in 2024. something a former close aide finds terrifying.
>> i think it will be nothing but revenge, retribution and benefit himself. there will be pardons happening. i think very draconian policies that go way too far and i believe if he's re-elected again it will be a really scary time. and then on capitol hill. the battle between democrats continuing. how much is enough for the reconciliation bill? >> 98% of us agree that 3.5 trillion was the number. all the programs that are in there, the president agrees. 70% of the american people agree but we have two democratic senators still not on board and depends on the two of them getting together because they want slightly different things and coming back with a proposal of what it is they want to cut because the price tag comes out of that number. i'm talking about this with
congressman dan kildee in a moment. also this hour, a heart breaking report on the number of kids who have lost a parent in the covid pandemic. we'll look at the impact on a generation of children. plus the lgbtq community under attack. the governor of north carolina calling them fimt and dave chappelle not apologizing over his joke just we'll have more ahead. but we want to start with new revelations about former president trump's efforts to try to overturn the 2020 election. more dripping out every day. according to a new book from abc's jonathan karl late december last year trump turned to jeffrey clark with no evidence or experience in election law to help prove claims that there was widespread voter fraud which we know is
categorically false. karl writes this. clark brought in new conspiracy to the cocktail of falsehoods. two sources familiar with clark's actions said trump believed that wireless thermostats made in china for google by a company called nest labs might have been used to manipulate voting machines in georgia. the idea was nuts. but it intrigued trump who asked director of national intelligence ratcliffe to look into it. we should note there's no evidence to support this theory and we did not independently con foirm this account of karl. let's talk about this. democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan, chief deputy whip of the house democratic caucus. thank you for joining us on this. >> thank you. >> i got to get your reaction to this thermostat conspiracy
theory made for google by china to spy it looks like the former president -- just trying to get the story straight. asking ratcliffe to look into this. what is your reaction? >> we have got to keep in mind, this is the president of the united states. this is not some sort of odd sort of cartoonish character off to the side. this is a person who controlled much of the u.s. economy and u.s. military and he has these insane ideas. it is pretty frightening. the thing that's more frightening to me is still we have republicans and really the majority of republicans wrapping their arms around him and treating him as if he's a rational person. he is not. many of the people closest to him know that but not enough republicans are willing to call this out, walk away from this
really dangerous individual. >> not enough republicans are willing to call them out and i wonder if it's because they believe what he's selling or they just want to be on board for the power trip. which is it? >> i think there are some that are really disturbed and believe the nonsense. what i think is happening is that republicans, many republicans are making the calculation that they're better off adding fuel to this fire as if somehow they can control this fire when it burns out of control but they need that base, they need that disturbed whipped up base falling for the nonsense as part of the coalition they need to win elections. look at what's happening. the ignorance of the rule of law. denying subpoenas. denial of the outcome of an
election. republicans willing to sabotage the u.s. economy to make a political point. i've been working on a lot of things. one is democracy movement in sudan. i met with a group of sudanese-americans on friday. it is hard to talk about the movement to democracy with a political party that no longer embraces the principles of democracy. we need to help them determine the future or other places but the most important thing to do is set a better example and i don't know where the republicans get this be they're forgetting our own really important history looking at a way to so of use the moment to their own political advantage even if it means disgracing our history. it's a frightening thing to see. >> it's interesting that you bring up sudan because i was
sitting here thinking that what i see in this country talking to a reporter that covered the trump rally last night and i feel like i would have seen in other countries. right? authoritarian countries. distrust in government. legislatively things drawn up based off of conspiracy theories and i remember this is happening in this country. i do need to pivot and we could talk about this all day but i want to talk about something that americans are looking towards. and that's infrastructure and reconciliation. both hard and soft infrastructure. let's take a listen to senator chris coons and what he has said about the negotiations. >> i think the ultimate price will be around $2 trillion but it is the policy that is matter
and cause a caucus we agree on those. i'm optimistic to get both bills to president biden's desk by the end of this month, hopefully possibly by the end of the year. >> so how does that align, that plan, the price tag, 2 trillion, the time line align with how you're seeing things play out? >> you may be right about the number but he is absolutely right about the point that it is about the policy included. it is about reducing the cost of health care, supporting families with the child tax credit. earned income tax credit. it is about addressing climate change. if we can do those three things in a meaningful way and then by doing so put ourselves as democrats in a position of holding the majority and then building from that on those three essential elements then i think we will have succeeded so it is less about the number though the number is significant. it has to be meaningful and more
about what those elements are. >> it's interesting that you bring up the child tax credit. i want folks to understand what the reconciliation bill lines out when it comes to child care expenses. this is from "the new york times." the huge policy bill being pushed by president biden to cap ex pences at 7% of the income. large subsidies to child care centers and require them to raise wages to improve teacher quality there. congressman dan kildee, thank you for joining us on this. as always we really appreciate it. bang on the drums. >> you got it. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. want to bring in the panel now. sam stein, white house editor of politico. tim miller, writer for the bull work.
and emily cessman with centers for american progress. welcome, guys. great to have you on this sunday afternoon. sam, i want the straight-up reaction to the new reporting from the new book of jonathan karl. conspiracy theories by the former president, therm stats made in china. talk to me. your reaction here. >> seems legit to me. right? no. this is crazy stuff obviously. i think the congressman probably hit the nail on the head when he said you have to step back and recognize that it wasn't some reddit forum where this took place but the oval office. president of the united states espousing this. one of the things that i have been struck by i guess which was really personified in a piece from the iowa rally where trump
spoke is trump did not back off this but what's happened is that the vast majority of the republican party is more comfortable with it. he was there last night with chuck grassley the elder statesman of the republican senate who at 88 is running. grassley put out a fairly blistering statement of trump conducted himself after the election. didn't vote for impeachment but here we are and trump's up there saying my election was stolen. this is the and mating cause of the day. chuck grassley is willingly and eagerly standing by his side to get the endorsement and says a ton about the state of the republican party and didn't go where tim miller of the world would have liked it to go and few people within the republican party willing to say enough. maybe only a handful.
>> so getting a shout out, i guess, tim, i want to play the chuck grassley sound that sam was referring to in accepting the endorsement of the former president. >> i was born at night but not last night. so if i didn't accept the endorsement of a person that's got 91% of the republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. i'm smart enough to accept that endorsement. >> thank you. we love you. >> i guess maybe give it to him about being honest why to accept the endorsement saying it is about politics and who is following him versus saying i'm behind donald trump 100% and seems like a collision of morality in politics that we see
and scratch my head saying how do you do this knowing full well knowing what you stood up and said post election and postjanuary 6 with the conduct of then president trump. >> yeah. i'm used to the tim millers of the world not getting what we want from republican -- but usually these guys are at least a little coy or subtle and come up with bank shot justification that's at least in the ballpark of being in line with conservative principle or being in line with some sort of argument for what is better for the country. grassley didn't even do that. grassley is literally just saying the only reason i'm doing this is because this guy is popular. what is the limiting principle on that? the man he's shaking the hand with in the picture attempted however, you know, pathetically to try to steal the election and stay in office as an unelected
autocrat and chuck grassley said, well, you know, i'll go along with that if 91% of the people want it. people have wanted bad things and look to leaders to step up and do the right thing and had the conversations over and over again with republicans who feel like any time i talk to them or the advisers i say why don't you hold hands and jump together? why don't you say we can't do this anymore. get the policies with somebody else like ron desantis. >> what did they say? >> they refuse. >> why? what's the justification? >> me is one person can't do anything. if i speak out i go the way of you or jeff flake and be on msnbc and won't have a political career anymore. i'm like, that's fine. that would be -- nothing wrong with that.
but they can't all ever jump together because there's no incentive to do it. >> any time, grassley. any time. 4:00 p.m. sunday afternoon we'll ready. we'll have you. emily, let's talk about the january 6 committee. talking at steve bannon defying the threats. you have former president trump shut down by the biden administration when it came to executive privilege and folks ask me what will come of the committee? what actual action will come of this january commit tee? what accountability will come of this committee? at this point it seems like there's a lot of legal battles and not a lot of solutions. where do you see this thing headed? >> i think the best possible outcome at this point is for them to actually get the subpoenas to be able to get the documents showing white house records of who was on the schedule, who was trump talking
to, on the phone with, what was the social media day, what was the interaction? and then be able to have public testimony so the public can see and hear from the people who were in the room. part of the problem through this is trump lives in his own reality and to some degree we've accepted that. it's nuts and saw it time after time in his press secretaries standing before the press to have actual hard evidence coming from other people does feel like it might change some minds but to the point we have been talking about feels like the republican party, one, lives in a closed information system and not sure the system gets to them. two, i'm not sure they would believe it if it didn't come out of trump's mouth specifically. the people with testimonies close to him, bannon, meadows, people i hope hold some weight with supporters so if they heard them would sway them but i have
like the only people looking to move from republicans in power, exactly the people that tim was talking about. chuck grassley is not a minor figure in the republican party. the chair of the judiciary committee he would if he does it again oversees the trump administration and would want to break the law and executive privilege and he is a major figure. i think with elected republicans battle is they hope there's upside to standing with him, be in power. i guess pass what they want to pass. who knows what they stand for? they see there's downside to be against trump. it is not clear if trump endorses in a primary if that's up and down whether the preferred candidate will win but they know that if you're against him see the numbers and choose to leave public office and don't run again. that's what is clear in the
republican party is to say in that i felt like they have to stick with him. it's terrifying. >> if they're against him they will be on msnbc and we welcome. sam, tim, emily, thank you guys all. great to see you this afternoon. >> thank you. still ahead, the tragic cost of covid. more than 140,000 children lost primary caregivers in the pandemic. the disparity in the deaths and the efforts to hope and the pandora papers. a massive leak of financial records reveals what we may have known about the world's wemtdiest. the rules are different for the rich but how different may surprise you. my patients are able to have that quality of life back. i recommend sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair. ice t, stone cold calling on everyone to turn to cold washing with tide.
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welcome back. a new study published by the journal of pediatrics estimates more than 140,000 kids in this country have lost a parent or primary caregiver to covid why that is about 1 in every 500 kids and the number is only grow jeff gordon the report revealed huge disparities in race and ethnicity noting 65% of the children impacted are minorities. native american children 4.5 times more likely to have lost a parent compared to white children and black kids more than twice as likely. joining me is rachel contour at
texas children's hospital. thank you for joining us on this. we appreciate it. talk to me about what you see on the grounds there in texas. did the results of this study come at any surprise? >> i don't think that it came as any surprise. i think it's heart breaking and when you see the numbers even if they're not surprising they're gut wrenching. >> yeah. they're really gut wrenching and i think you think about the impact of the loss of a parent at a young age can do to a child and then in this extreme circumstance where you may not have been able to say good-bye because of the coronavirus. what does that do to a kid, rachel? >> so that's a great question. and it's interesting because i think there's going to be a different question here coming to covid. so what we know is that even though for adults if we lose a
loved one after having the time to say good-bye, after expecting it that helps us but when kids have more time to see their parent ill and dying they get more traumatized and we are in the middle of the two situations where the illness might be more protracted but might not be able to visit and what does it mean to have that conversation through an ipad. it's a big question mark for us. >> and then you talk about 65% of the kids impacted is minorities. we have seen how the pandemic dispropors natalie impacted black and brown communities. how much more danger does the loss of a parent and/or a caregiver do to communities that already need help, black and brown, minority communities?
>> so what we know is that kids who have already been experiencing adversity when you put them through something else like the loss of a parent they have an increased risk of a whole host of problematic outcomes after the fact and compounded by in these settings then a lot of these kids don't have the access to the resources that they need in order to get the support that's going to help cultivate that resilience to get them through this. >> there's a solution proposed by susan hill who is the lead author of the study. i want to read it. a cdc and lead author of study and said what with propose is consideration to a fourth pillar to the covid response to be called care for children involving finding resources and systems for finding the children, assessing how they are
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welcome back. it was a difficult week for the trans community and began in the state of north carolina where the lieutenant governor republican mark robinson was caught on video calling transgender identities and home sexuality filth. somehow he went further claiming that teaching about experiences in school is akin to child
abuse. multiple state representatives are demanding robinson's resignation and he is not only person dodging the criticisms. dave chappelle under fire for what's described as dangerous transphobic and homophobic content. he seems to be taking the criticism in stride saying if this is what being canceled is like i love it. all this and anti-trans legislation nationwide. with me is david johns. david, thank you for joining us on this. i want to talk first about the lieutenant governor in north carolina. your reaction to what we have heard from him? >> yeah. i appreciate you making space for us to this conversation and important to name that i taught kindergarten and third grade and
children don't ask to be born and often forced to attend schools. and it is impossible to expect them to demonstrate what they know and have learned if we don't support them in the humanity. to me it is an abomination for anyone that purports to care about children to not celebrate and support all of them and must do a better job to ensure that people in positions of power are compassionate enough to do the job to serve and support all of us. >> so you think he should resign? >> i definitely think he should resign. >>. will you be putting pressure on him, your organization, to resign? >> our organization is working in coalition with other organizations that have been leading that fight for him to resign and for us to broader
conversations about what he wants us to get away from. >> let's talk about dave chappelle here. he has a netflix special being called transphobic, homophobic at this point. your organization has even called for this platform, for this special to be removed entirely. why is it important to you, to your organization for that to happen? before you answer i want to note dave chappelle denied that he is transphobic and said he never had a problem with trans people but did embrace the turf term which is trans exclusionary radical feminist and said that quote gender is a fact. >> right. and i want to be clear that this for me is not about canceling dave chappelle but calling
netflix and asking them to do better with regard to not profiting from and platforming misogynistic content. it was important to weigh into this for that reason and because too often conversations are had in black and white terms and need to acknowledge there's gray. in particular with regard to the jokes are assumptions about black -- that assume we are all heterosexual. we are not. ne have been. white lgbtq people misses that there's seem like me with intersectional identities. so many members of community are under attack and we have to be in the world or to be safe and so it's important for me that we do what we're doing now and dave chappelle did and extend an
opportunity to have a conversation and in ways that center us all to be safe and laugh at the more privileged people find funny. >> quickly here, what is this type of language? these type of quote/unquote jokes in the netflix special, what we hear from the north carolina governor, what does it do to folks in the transcommunity, to their psyche and already vulnerable? >> yeah. i would love for you to ask that question to someone who is of transexperience but when i talk to trans young people about the dave chappelle special and if they find it funny they say no and they talk about how people use as an excuse jokes. laugh at -- pain. and dismiss the parts of their experience that are really
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welcome back. just days after evidence that the platforms have a negative effect on kids' mental health facebook revealed several new kid controls for the sites including a prompt for teens to take a break when using the photo sharing app. instagram and nudging teenagers if repeatedly looking at content not conducive to the well being and not given a time line for the features' introduction but a spokesperson said they will be testing both out soon. all right. so the lives of some of the world's wealthiest people are less hidden with documents called the pandora papers. in the largest leak of offshore assets in history nearly 12 million documents analyzed by 150 news organizations including
"the washington post" reveal stunning new details how the rich and powerful shield the wealth. in an example high lighted by "the washington post" they found in thailand of the force list of the wealthiest eight own offshore companies, one of the red bull fortune created three companies registered in the british virgin islands to receive millions in dividends. estimates of the wealth hidden offshore ranges from 1 trillion to $25 trillion. joining me is peter worefski for "the washington post." this is incredible stuff and appreciate you joining us on this sunday afternoon to tick through it. tell us more about what was found in the documents and really the immense amount of wealth that is now proven to be
hidden all throughout the world. >> right. it is a huge amount of wealth. actually, you understated a tiny bit. we said more than 25 trillion. in some of the estimates for how much is out there. >> wow. >> this is important for a lot of reasons, among other things trying to measure income inequality around the world they often underestimate how bad it is because trillions of dollars are not in the statistics and underestimated the gap of poor people and the wealthiest and we saw that in these papers. also, i should say that the 130 billionaires, i'm confident there's more than that. we just -- it is difficult to identify some of them sometimes we have only partial information and we were conservative with that 130 figure but it is almost certainly more than that. >> for most of us we don't
necessarily understand the benefits of shell companies and offshore accounts. i want to read a piece, a quote from your piece about shell companies. a shell company gives people a cloak of invisibility. hidden from tax authorities, law enforcement, government authorities of all things from president of global financial integrity. what can be done with the way in which money is hidden by the wealthiest people in the world? is there any regulation that can happen to rein it in, especially when you talk about the massive disparity of rich and poor? >> right. it is basically the companies allow tax avoid yans and of laws of all kinds in the home countries and what you see over and over again. a good number of people are not just avoiding taxes but hiding
profits away from creditors or from other people that they ought to be giving the money to, for example, law enforcement. i don't know how much more that the -- the government has a lot -- i'm sorry. the government has a lot more to do. been trying for many years now. they have something in europe called the common reporting standard and in the u.s. a similar law that says if a foreigner comes into the country and deposits money then our authorities will contact their authorities so that there's a sort of bilateral communication and just doesn't cover enough countries yet. after our project dropped the congress has started to debate. there's a bipartisan effort to try to get lawyers, art dealers and other people involved in this kind of offshore wealth to have requirement that they
report it to the treasury if it seems suspicious as it often does. >> let me ask you this question and might be laughable. i have been told no question is a dumb question. here we go. is there any actual legitimate reason to have a shell company or an offshore account? >> i think that there are some. one is if you -- privacy. some people want to keep the yacht somewhere where people don't know where it is and nothing nefarious about it. you have to ask why do they always choose these jurisdictions that have low taxes, often have what are called firewall laws that prevent creditors from getting at the assets they have registered in those countries
and we know there's an awful lot of nefarious actors as well as just people avoiding taxes. >> yeah. you never see a yacht registered to new york city. you just don't see it. always the cayman islands. always somewhere. never new york city. we appreciate your reporting on this. really good stuff. peter, thank you. thank you for joining us. an end in sight. cleanup efforts continuing along southern california's coast from that massive offshore oil spill and the damage is done. the real life cost of the crisis. that's coming up next. >> i have huge staff that they rely on the income so now i'm shut down so i have to lend them money to survive to pay the rent. ♪ they're helpful but annoying ♪
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for us. talk about the ongoing investigation into how this spill got started and the ongoing efforts. >> reporter: it's a little of a good news/bad news story, yasmin. the good news is they have not seen oil on the water in the last several days. they also think the amount of oil spilled is considerably less than what they originally thought. they thought it would be 40,000 gallons, now is looks like it's 30,000 gallons. the bad news is it's coming ashore and making a mess. i'm in orange county, huntington beach. the beach is closed for a 25-mile stretch because there's oil in the water, there's tar balls, as you said, ashore. and those are toxic substances. all the way down to san diego, that's 75 miles away, they are picking up tar off of the beach. by the numbers now, we're
looking at 1,600 people and then some who are working on this response. some 5,500 gallons of oil has been recovered by a vessel. the real nastiness is about a quarter million pounds of oily debris that has been picked up along the shore. and that includes more than 13 barrels of tar balls. all of this following some prime california coastline. >> we have teams that are conducting manual removal. so they're going out and physically removing product from the beach. they make sure they're doing it as safely as possible. they've got their protective equipment on. they'll be putting it into bags and we'll be taking those bags to be properly disposed of. >> reporter: they are imploring beachgoers not to touch the tar, just to report it, because again, those are toxic substances. the economic impact is considerable. there are miles and miles of fisheries that should be busy along the pacific coast that are
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>> he's alive, laughing, cutting up, crying, his mom's crying, he's in good shape. >> reporter: a tip from a citizen helping locate the toddler. discovered five miles from his home. >> we were running prayers in overdrive, to be honest. we had nothing else. >> reporter: christopher went missing wednesday, chasing his dog into the woods as his mother was unloading groceries. his mother desperately praying for a miracle. >> translator: help me please. please, everyone help me, i need my son. >> reporter: for four days, crews searched around the clock. more than 48 agencies combed the wooded area. >> in my years in law enforcement i've never seen one this detailed. >> reporter: christopher's mother never lost hope. and her prayers answered. >> that mother with her
3-year-old back in her arms must have been the best feeling ever, after having been so scared for so many days with that little boy lost. that wraps up the hour for me, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back in the chair tomorrow morning for stephanie ruhle at 9:00 a.m., you can catch me back. i'll also be back next weekend, saturday, sunday, right here, 3:00 p.m. eastern. but now i'm going to turn it over to my friend reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, what happens in texas does not stay in texas. because right now, republican politics in the lone star state have galvanized the resistance among nationwide democrats. the resumption of