tv Kendis Gibson and Lindsey Reiser Report MSNBC October 9, 2021 4:00am-5:00am PDT
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the people of texas. at a time like this. >> presidential showdown, the white house blocking former president trump from shielding documents related to the january 6th insurrection and the house committee threatening criminal referrals to those that are snubbing their subpoenas, including steve bannon. and dare we say, endemic? with covid cases dropping across most of the country, and kids on the verge of getting their shots the u.s. may finally be turning a corner. but we may have to live with covid indefinitely. and just in time for the new james bond, the old way of spying, long gone, a former cia officer says the idea of undercover officers operating in the shadows is outdated. we're going to tell you why as we do say good morning, everybody, it is saturday, october 9th. i'm kendis gibson. >> i'm lindsey reiser, good to be with you on this fall weekend. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest for you right now. we are going to begin with new developments in the abortion rights battle in texas.
>> just days after a federal judge blocked texas restrictive abortion law the mostly conservative federal appeals court ordered the abortion law back on the books, the law bans abortions after six weeks, and allows anyone to sue a person or clinic providing abortions, including clinics that provided the procedure while the ban was blocked. >> the justice department has until tuesday now to respond to the motion. so joining us right now is texas state representative jasmine crockett who's very outspoken on this issue. thanks for joining us last minute here on these late breaking developments. what do you make of the law going back into effect and what could be the fallout here? we know that clinics have started to accept and do procedures. >> yeah, absolutely, first of all, good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> and, you know, it's interesting because we heard from clinics that basically had a running list of people that were in need of abortion health
care services, and so they called those people and they said, hey, please come in today because we got a ruling so we can go ahead and go forward with this. i don't feel very optimistic in the sense that there's going to be a lot of litigation from these vigilantes that relates to this one day of reprieve that we did have but i do feel quite beaten down that every time we take one step forward when it comes to texas we've got to take 50 steps back and that's exactly where we are. >> you know, last month you told msnbc that we need federal protections for women's productive -- reproductive rights. california congresswoman barbara lee also called for more political action. >> yeah, you know -- >> this involves making sure that we hold members of congress, both house and senate accountable, accountable to people who deserve to be able to exercise their constitutional rights. what they're trying to do is
turn the clocks back to the days that i know so well, that so many people know so well where women died and, in fact, we have to move forward and make sure we hold election officials accountable. >> do you feel as if this administration and the democratic controlled congress have so far let down women when it comes to this issue? >> they've let the entire country down on so many issues. obviously i first became familiar with you guys because we were fighting for voting rights on a national level. and basically we've got a five alarm fire in texas, yet we have no hope from the feds. i appreciate the doj stepping in, but the reality is that we absolutely should have had federal protections a long time ago. we should have made sure that we codified roe v. wade and we didn't and so now this is where we are. we're in this space where courts are now trying to reinterpret,
and somehow overturn what has been the law, what has been the well settled law for at least 50 years. >> representative, we know clinics can still be sued for any abortions they provided while the ban was blocked so there was that few days this week that that was done, many clinics said they were open for business, and many of them probably have appointments on the books today. but after that late ruling last night what's your message to those women who will be turned away? >> you know what, i want them to stay strong. you know, it's sad that we have elected officials that do not work for the interests of the people. this is why it's so important that we actually get out and vote because we've got these people that are so out of touch with who we are as texans as well as just u.s. citizens. the majority of the country absolutely believes that a pre-viability ban is okay. they believe in roe v. wade.
the only people that seemingly don't believe in roe v. wade are the people that have the power. and so it's time to take our power back. it's time to get out there, and make sure that we send a message to these power hungry people, we need to go ahead and send them home because they aren't doing the jobs they were hired to do and they were hired to serve the people and they're not serving us right now. >> you're talking about roe v. wade, there's a real fear that roe v. wade could be dismantled and fairly quickly. women of color have already faced many barriers in health care. how could banning abortions create more barriers for women of color? >> yeah, so first of all, let's talk about texas in general. texas leads when it comes to maternal mortality amongst women of color. maternal mortality is an issue in this country in general when it comes to women of color, and texas leads in that. texas also leads in uninsured. and one of the things that judge
pitman put in his opinion, he put in there that it's actually safer to have an abortion than it is to carry to term. that's one thing that people really aren't talking about, and so you don't know a person's circumstances. and honestly, they shouldn't have to explain their circumstances to anyone. but we do know scientifically, i know that so many in this country want to ignore science but the science is clear, you know, they called this a heartbeat bill and the judge addressed that as well. we talked about that on the floor. this is not a heartbeat at this point in time so stop calling it that but they're playing on the ignorance of people. they're playing on the fact that their constituentcy doesn't care about the science of it. we're talking about free viability abortion health care issues and, you know, women need to have access. >> all right, well, representative jasmine crockett,
appreciate your time. i know you're busy doing stuff this weekend. appreciate you being here with us. >> thank you. developing right now on capitol hill, the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection is threatening criminal action against anyone refusing to comply with their requests. of the four trump allies who recently sent subpoenas, two of them are engaging with the committee but so far former trump adviser steve bannon is saying count me out. if he continues to resist he could face prosecution for contempt of congress which is punishable by up to one year behind bars. nbc's julie tsirkin joins us with the details. it looks like bannon is relying on trump asserting executive privilege but that's been shut down by the white house, what you now? >> it's been shut down for now. president biden allowing the national archives to provide the house select committee with this trove of documents relating to what the former president, former president trump knew, said and did on january 6th.
the white house has been saying for weeks that the president, president biden, will not stand in the way of these documents requests but here's what press secretary jen psaki said just yesterday about this, listen. the president has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not warranted for the first set of documents from the trump white house, that have been provided to us by the national archives. as we've said previously, this will be an ongoing process. and this is just the first set of documents. and we will evaluate questions of privilege on a case by case basis. >> yeah, meanwhile, the lawyers for steve bannon writing to the house select committee on thursday in light of them missing that documents request deadline, not producing those documents requested by the committee, they say that steve bannon may be protected under former president trump's executive privilege, which we now know the first of many at least has been blocked by president biden, but the committee shooting back at them,
liz cheney and benny thompson, the co-chairs of that house select committee issuing a statement saying in part that the lawyers are hiding behind vague references to privileges of the former president. they say they could swiftly advance a criminal referral as you said at the top there for steve bannon but obviously that will drag out the investigation if it goes through the courts and also steve bannon could face jail time. >> julie tsirkin joining us from capitol hill, thank you. still to come, we're going to take a deep dive into the legal maneuvering by trump and his advisers all to keep those details from january 6th a secret. breaking news overnight in los angeles, the terrifying hostage situation, a woman taken hostage by an armed gunman. the ordeal lasting for several hours. what led up to this dramatic police rescue, next. and later, the merck pill is supposed to be a silver bullet in the covid fight but it doesn't come without challenges. we'll break it down with our doctor.
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breaking overnight we'll show you traumatic video from a wild hostage situation in los angeles. >> it lasts several hours, portions of it caught on camera and some of the video is hard to watch. take a look, this is what played out in downtown los angeles yesterday into the evening hours. this was the end now of the horrifying ordeal, s.w.a.t. moving in after a suspect in downtown los angeles here, it all started midafternoon, lapd says the suspect fired several shots at several people injuring a 14-year-old, tried carjacking a woman's vehicle. the suspect holing up in an apartment to take a woman hostage inside the building. at one point the video captured a bystander who appeared to show the suspect holding the hostage at gunpoint. it's at that time that police moved in, shot and killed that guy, rescuing the woman. the woman, we're told, is
recovering in a los angeles hospital this morning. >> just incredible video there. very scary. tense situation there in los angeles. >> a major blow, meanwhile, to former president donald trump, as we reported before the break, the white house formerly rejected his request to shield congress from documents related to the january 6th riot, saying there's no justification here for executive privilege. this means the committee tasked with the investigation could soon get a wide range of records related to both activities and communications that day at the white house, including schedules, meetings, and phone logs. let's dive into all of the legal and political implications here with msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. and emily tish sussman. we expect this to drag on now. and here's what cynthia oxney told us last hour. >> what trump has learned over
time is if he can stall long enough things go away and it's worked for him. that's what he's hoping is going to happen here. >> so how long, realistically, can he stall for and what are the implications of that, danny? >> things are a little different this time around because congress didn't start as it normally does with negotiations. hey, would you think about coming in and giving us documents, no, they went straight to subpoenas in this case. but that doesn't mean that donald trump still can't cause a major delay. just because he is the ex-president and not the current president, the supreme court has held in a case many years ago involving nixon, called nixon 2, that a former president can be heard to mount an objection or raise executive privilege, although the extend to which that power exists if it's against the wishes of the incumbent president, is of course not clear. executive privilege has been clarified a little bit over the last few years with the don mcgahn case.
we still don't know the full contours of executive privilege and we don't know what it is in terms of a former president, although we know the power diminishes somewhat. >> emily, the hill reports that democrats here are worried about a second trump presidential bid and some advisers are telling him, you know, keep a low profile until after the midterms, democratic analysts are saying, look, you can't take him for granted here, he still has an incredibly loyal base, look at all of these scandals and he still has come out with a fervent base, anything that's come out here related to the insurrection that could turn off these die hard supporters? >> look, that's a great question, lindsey, and something that i wonder myself. it's not like we're waiting for some incredibly clear smoking gun to come out. i think we saw it that day. there's also a question for all of the trump supporters who continue to support him through all of this of what they think -- of who they will actually listen to as a
legitimate source of information. when things have come out that trump has said himself, they still don't believe it. they only believe his, i guess, twitter account, what he says at rallies, they're in an entirely different information cycle. there's real question as to what can come out that they would find to be a smoking gun and if they would even believe it if it did come out or if they're just going to listen to things like the rally he had tonight and to some degree i think he kind of likes this to keep it going. it gives him another narrative, something to keep talking about. it can show that he has loyalty from supporters like bannon and his former chief of staff, that he still has really strong supporters who are denying congress. >> you know, danny, the committee is seriously handing out -- seriously considering handing out criminal contempt referrals, is it safe to say executive privilege hasn't been tested in this way yet? >> no, it hasn't. in fact, it hasn't been tested for many decades.
and as i said earlier it's been chipped away at, it's been defined a little bit. but we have a lot of things we haven't seen before really in combination. we have an ex-president. seeking to block information, not just from his close government circle but from people who were never in government like steve bannon and to the extent he's seeking to do a preliminary or preemptive block, that's not exactly what executive privilege is about, it's about a balancing test, looking at the actual information requested and balancing it against congress's need for the information. it was really a jeff sessions who started the idea of saying, well, the president might assert executive privilege so i'm going to decline to answer. we are still gnat nascent stages to find out what exactly executive privilege is, even though it's been around since at least the nixon era and even when president truman asserted
it. that's why we have the courts. they will define it for us eventually. >> emily, real quick, we hear that meadows and patel are engaging but they're not cooperating. what do you make of that distinction? >> we may get some information out but probably not what they're looking for. they'll want to keep going with the subpoenas to get as much information as they probably can but we're probably not going to have the explosive testimony like we saw at the committee hearing in august when you saw the police officers who had been on site that day that really tugged the hearts of so many people. >> thank you both so much. good to see you. still ahead right here, declining covid hospitalizations, kids on the verge of vaccination. could we be entering a new phase of the pandemic, or are we actually just kidding ourselves? what the former fda commissioner thinks, next. are rethinking the choices they make like the splash they create
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coronavirus has turned our lives upside down but are we through the worst of it? health experts are wondering if covid could transition from a pandemic to endemic in which we're able to control it. >> regardless of that, the fight over masks and vaccine mandates rages on. here's nbc's gabe gutierrez. in knots county, tennessee the fight over mask mandates is raging, from bus stops to school board meetings. >> having my child's education held hostage for an agenda is not right. >> reporter: florida has fined eight school districts for imposing mask requirements, in oregon a judge denied a state trooper's request to block a vaccine mandate while the sheriff in los angeles says he won't enforce the county's vaccine requirement among his deputies. >> i don't want to be in a position to lose my workforce overnight on a vaccine mandate while at the same time our bare
bones with the funding effort. >> i'm calling on more employers to act. >> reporter: the tension comes as president biden appeals for more private companies to require vaccines. about a quarter of eligible americans still haven't gotten their first shot. >> that's why i've had to move toward requirements. >> reporter: as new covid cases and hospitalizations plummet across much of the country some public health experts are now wondering whether we're beginning to see the start of a transition from a pandemic to the virus becoming endemic. >> an endemic disease is one that constantly lurks in your population. you can't omit the germ completely. you can't get rid of it totally. but you can control it. >> reporter: how will we know when we get there? >> i think we'll know it when we see it. when we see hospitalized cases, and new cases at a sustained really low level. if that rate of positives is below 5%, then we think this
virus is just smoldering. >> reporter: nationwide the weekly covid test positivity rate is now around 6%. it's fallen from about 10% early last month. >> we're going from pandemic to endemic. and that means we will be coping with this virus for years to come. >> happy to have you. >> reporter: for business owners coping may look much different depending where you live. >> if this becomes endemic, wow. i hate to think of what that means. >> reporter: melba runs a harlem restaurant that requires proof of vaccination to dine indoors. >> from the fwing it hurt. we did lose quite a bit of business. however, moving forward i think people are kind of getting used to it. i'm hoping it will be ended within the next few months or so. >> thanks to gabe gutierrez, melba's good eats if you ever get there here in new york. let's follow up on this with the former fda commissioner and the author of the "new york times" best seller uncontrolled spread. dr. scott gottlieb. we appreciate your time.
we heard from gabe gutierrez there reporting. do you believe that we're seeing the start to the end of this nearly two-year pandemic? and what would it mean to transition to an endemic? >> i think there's a high like lie hood this delta wave of infection is the last major surge, barring something unexpected where we get a new variant that pierces the immunity we've acquired through vaccination and prior infection. on the back end of this delta wave you'll have a more endemic virus that's a persistent threat but doesn't have the same high prevalence we're seeing with this delta wave. that said, while the national averages are coming down it looks like an improving picture across the country, it's being driven by the fact that you're seeing sharp declines in the south, and big states like texas and florida where there really was a raging epidemic but now you're seeing the delta wave move to other parts of the country like the west and the midwest and they're having outbreaks right now that are on par with what we saw in the south and it remains a question
whether or not you see a pick yup of infections in the northeast and great lakes region. while this delta wave will run its course by thanksgiving or shortly after it's not done with us yet. >> there are some interesting places that are going through a wave right now, including alaska, and, you mentioned thanksgiving. the holidays are typically bringing a resurgence in cases like this. what can we expect? >> look, i think thanksgiving we may still be in this delta wave, at least in certain parts of the country. the south looks good right now, probably the west and the midwest will be through their surge, i think in the northeast you're going to see a pickup in infections, it's probably not as bad with the high vaccination rates here and also immunity from prior infection but people will be contending with hire prevalence levels. we need to be cautious. it doesn't mean families can't gather around thanksgiving and christmas time but you need to judge your individual circumstance, what's the prevalence, are you bringing vaccinated people together with unvaccinated people who might be vulnerable despite vaccination.
people can use testing in those settings to make sure they're not introducing infection, things you can do to -- >> you said the virus will be over in the u.s. when vaccines are available for people and merck's anti-viral pill is finally cleared, what's your prediction as far as the timeline for those breakthroughs? >> yeah, as you know, i serve on the board of pfizer. >> yeah. >> that vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11 is going to be taken up october 26th by the fda. assuming there's a positive outcome from that meeting it's going to go to the cdc which is going to meet, i think, november 2nd and 3rd, and contemplate a recommendation around the use of that vaccine so that could be available in early november for children ages 5 to 11. the anti-viral drug merck is submitting the emergency use authorization probably very soon within days. they've been submitting the data. i suspect that's maybe on a two-month time review for the fda so that could be available, too, by the end of the year. the reason i've cited those two events as being important, i think they'll provide a lot of
psychological confidence to consumers. a lot of us vaccinated feel confident we're not going to get sick from covid but we're worried about bringing infection back into our homes where we have young kids. i have young kids in my home. the idea of having an anti-viral to rescue you, the idea there's a pill you could take to treat the infection dramatically reduces your risk could bring psychological comfort. >> let me ask you about that pill. the atlantic took a deep dive into merck's pill. you have to take 40 pills in five days, starting within five days of getting sick and it costs $700 per person or per course of treatment. is it really a game changer? >> the top line data on this drug was probably the best data i've ever seen for an orally available drug in the treatment of respiratory pathogen. it's an early drug. these are first generation
anti-virals, it's a pro-drug, it could probably be formulated differently down the road. i think these drugs will get optimized just like the vaccines will get optimized. we'll improve upon them in ways that improve the storage requirements so they don't require the same refrigeration and freezer requirements and they're easier to distribute. we're using first generation technology that's going to get improved upon. this pill could, i think, provide a real difference in how we address this virus given the magnitude of the effect it's having. at least in the trials. >> it's quite a commitment for so many people, dr. scott gottlieb, really appreciate your time, thank you. >> thanks a lot. lawmakers can't seem to get enough of living on the edge with the debt ceiling debacle punted to december it's one more thing added to their holiday to do list so how messy could things get between both parties before the next congressional cliff? and. and later on velshi, democrats susan wild and judy chu break things down with biden's agenda.
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i love this time of year, 47 days before thanksgiving. 77 days before christmas. how nice. and 77 days before our government shutdown coupled with a catastrophic debt crisis that could cripple the economy and spiral the united states into an economic chaos, unlike ever before, how sweet. >> couldn't you have ended that sentence with christmas? >> i'm terrible at bedtime
stories. just so you know. >> and telling time. well, this is why president biden is now working to figure out a way to get his party on the same page. they've got so much on their plates, trying to meet those new deadlines and pass hid agenda. involving two wings of his party that seem to be getting further and further apart. >> my number is 1.5. i've been very clear. i don't believe that we should turn our society into an entitlement society. >> does senator manchin that seniors are not entitled to digest their food and that they're not entitled to hear and see properly? is that really too much to ask in the richest country on earth? >> nbc news white house reporter lauren egan is in delaware this morning, the president is trying to sort of rewrite the narrative here, cut down some of the noise. >> reporter: that's right, there is a lot on this president's
agenda as we stare down these last few weeks in 2021. most important to president biden and this white house is his build back better agenda. that's that bipartisan infrastructure bill that has been coupled with the democrats' social spending plan. and the president has talked about how it's going to have to be a lot smaller than he had initially floated. closer to the $2 trillion range. right now the big discussion among the white house and lawmakers, democrats on capitol hill, is how you get to a smaller size bill. you can either cut out certain programs entirely from the final deal or allocate less money to each policy item. this has been a real headache for the white house, this has been the focus of conversations amongst lawmakers in the past few days. take a listen to what the president had to say on friday. >> right now things in washington, as you all know, are awful ly noisy.
every disagreement is a crisis. when you take a step back and look at what's happening, we're actually making real progress. >> reporter: the president speaking broadly there, not just about his build back better agenda but also other deadlines coming up such as the debt ceiling, all of these will make for a really, really challenging and complicated next few weeks for this white house, lindsey and kendis. >> lauren egan, thank you so much for setting us up there, we'll bring in pennsylvania congressman matt cartwright, co-chair of the policy and communications committee, a member of the progressive caucus, thank you for being with us this morning. when we talk about this debt ceiling issue you know very well from your time in congress, raising the debt limit is usually bipartisan. democrats work with republicans to do this, i believe, three times under trump. what do you anticipate here from republicans as december gets closer, especially, by the way, when the deficit increased during the trump administration?
>> well, good morning, lindsey and good morning, kendis. >> good to see you. >> well, you've got your finger right on it. this is mitch mcconnell. he's being ridiculous and dangerous at the same time. he's being ridiculous. look, under the last administration we spent a lot of money and it's like you were given a credit card, right, and you went out and you spent $7,800. and then the bill came. and when you saw the bill you said, well, i'm not going to pay that bill. that would be irresponsible. well, that's what's going on here, except it's mitch mcconnell who's spent not $7,800, but $7.8 trillion of debt and now he's saying it would be irresponsible to pay it? that's crazy. so that's ridiculous and it's dangerous because, look, guys,
our parents, our grandparents, our great-grandparents, the most dependable promise in the world during all of these lifetimes has been the united states government's promise to pay its debts. if that promise goes away -- >> but congressman -- >> you can't trust anything in this world. >> it's not always been a bipartisan thing, you know for several years as senator that senator biden did the same thing where he voted against raising the debt limit. >> it has to be bipartisan because if it isn't and we get into one of these squabbles over something as elemental as keeping the american economy afloat. if we default on the debt. the stock market will crash, it will crash so badly they will stop trading the first day and as a result markets all over the world will crash and it won't be one of these down-up crashes, this will be like a great depression crash. all the sudden you can't trust the american government's
promise to pay its debts. that's really dangerous. we can't do that. >> congressman, that said, senator schumer has said he's been reluctant to -- he said it's an arduous, complicated process? republicans essentially have communicated they'd like to see this happen so it lands squarely at the democrats' feet. >> look, i was glad that mitch mcconnell backed away from the cliff. and at least extended it into december. i think president biden is right. i think that we should stop making a political football out of everything. you can find quotes from both sides going back, you know, a generation, about how important it is to be bipartisan and lift the debt ceiling because that's crazy. we have to pay our bills. this is what america's financial strength is built on. and our economy will tank, immediately, if we don't do it.
>> did you -- did you feel as if majority leader schumer made a mistake in his sort of victory lap there on the floor, where you saw the fist plant from senator manchin during it, what did you make of that speech? >> no, i didn't think a whole lot about it. right, you don't want to take a victory lap, but, you know, in the context, senator mcconnell -- senator schumer was right because we backed away from the cliff. it's as simple as that. it was a victory for america, it's a short-term victory to be sure but at least until december we're not going to have that huge market selloff and that financial collapse around the world. >> well, congressman, there goes your december. so much for the calm before the holiday storm. we appreciate you spending some time with us this morning, and
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created the biggest challenge to espionage in the history of the profession. the model for cia spying is officers pose as diplomats overseas and go out at night to recruit to spy for the united states. consider this basic example. most people today have photos in the true name on the internet. in places like china, there are cameras on every corner filming faces run through software. how can a cia officer risk operating an alias in china? that is the tip of the iceberg. everybody in modern economies among the digital exhaust that allows agency to profile their patterns of life? cell phone and ez-pass and waze. even dna. those signals have made it easier to find and kill terrorists, but made it hard for
a cia officer to maintain a cover to hide their agency. it makes it risky for the officer to meet with the foreigners who recruited the spy. this cable that the times reported on that went to the cia work force highlighted a number of examples where cia courses were exposed through technology in china, iran and pakistan and dozens informants were arrested or executed. the cia is working hard on this problem and have ways around it. they can hack into data bases and poof digital trails. one said they are kidding themselves and never stay ahead of the senors that provide information about our movements. he says the cia will have to reinvent itself. there is disagreement of how much has to change, but no disagreement over the fact this has to be major changes to how the cia does business.
kendis. >> interesting. >> and watch a guy eating chips. >> we go from ispy to irobot. the next james bond will be. maybe it will be a bot. who knows? thank you for watching msnbc reports. i'm lindsey reiser. >> i'm kendis gibson. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. "velshi." starts now. today on velshi, associates are about to find out if a subpoena has more bite when their bosses are no longer running the justice department. subpoenas are flying from the january 6th committee and some of the twice impeached ex-president's form a circle are engaging with congressional investigators. we get the latest on who is talking and who is not and
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