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state's restrictive abortion law. the u.s. fifth circuit court of appeals has temporarily reinstated the texas six-week abortion ban, after a federal judge, with some ceremonially blocked a ban on wednesday. as the fifth circuit is known as one of the most conservative appeals courts in the country, the ruling needs a ban on abortions after six weeks is now back and force. part of this case that appears destined for a rendezvous with the supreme court. we'll have much more on the story just ahead. but first, here, tonight's, the fight between donald trump and the congressional committee looking into the inner insurrection that he led, is now heating up. and today, the current president played a role in this fight. nbc news, first a report, earlier today that the biden white house has decided, in fact, not to block the release of documents related to trump, his presidency, and the
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insurrection. the move sets up a leave goal and potential lengthy -- current and former over the issue of executive privilege. earlier today, white house press secretary jen psaki was asked about this decision. the president has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not warranted for the first set of documents, from the trump right has, that have been provided to us by the national archives. as we said previously, this will be an ongoing process. and this is just the first set of documents. and we will evaluate questions of privilege, on a case by case basis. >> this comes as the one six investigative committee is considering its next moves. now than yesterday's deadline for four former trump aides to provide documents to the committee, has now passed. chairman, congressman, benny thompson, vice chair, liz cheney released a statement today, threatening former trump
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advisor steve bannon with criminal contempt, while noting that other witnesses are cooperating, they say quote, mr. bannon has indicated that he will try to hide behind vague references to privileges of the former president. we will not allow any witness to defy a lawful subpoena or attempt to run out the clock, and we will safely consider advancing a criminal contempt of congress referral. new york time room ports bannon's attorney led -- saying he would not comply with a subpoena. the committee made no intention of former trump aide, stands convene oh in their statement. he held the title deputy chief of staff will basically running trump's social media. he was one of the original groups subpoenaed, and politico reports that he was served with his own just today. as the investigation into one six continues, the government has made public even more evidence of the brutality of the assault on our capital. nine months ago. we dramatic video, new to us,
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released today, shows rioters viciously assaulting police officers during that attack, that we all attach on television. there are also new developments on a separate congressional investigation into the former president, house oversight committee accusing donald trump of providing, quote, misleading information about the financial state of his hotel in washington while he was an office. committee said trump reported his d.c. hotel brought in 100 $50 million during his time at the white house, but after reviewing documents lawmakers say, the hotel actually suffered over $70 million in losses. in a statement, the trump organization spokesperson called the assertions, quote, intentionally misleading and unequivocally false. also, this, as the current president is trying to defend a disappointing september jobs report, just out today. the economy and its 194,000
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jobs in the month of september. that's a problem because it's below the dow jones estimate of half 1 million new jobs, earlier today biden offer this take on today's numbers. >> in just eight months since i became president, in the midst of a great public health and economic crisis, the unemployment rate is now down below 5%, and 4.8%. let me just repeat that, today's report, as the unemployment rate down 4.8%. a significant improvement than when i took office, and a sign that our recovery is moving forward even in the face of a covid pandemic. >> our country also temporarily avoiding an economic disaster this week, when the senate voted to lift the debt limit until september. of course, in a few short months expect a whole new standoff. today, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, sent joe biden letter warning that republicans
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won't help raise the debt limit next time. it reads, quote, i will not be party to any future effort to mitigate the consequences of democratic mismanagement. your lieutenants on capitol hill now have the time they claim they lacked to address the debt ceiling. so we have got to look forward to, of course. and with that, let's bring in our lead off guests. our starting line on this friday night. eugene daniels white house could responded for politico, coauthor of each day's addition of the political playbook. jeremy peters veteran political reporter for the new york times, and cynthia ochsner, former federal prosecutor and the civil rights division of the doj. good evening, and welcome to. all cynthia, counselor, you've got to go first tonight because of our lead story. what do we need to know about this texas reversal on appeal, and where this case might be headed? >> well, the cases headed to the supreme court.
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i mean, it's nothing but bad news for women of texas, and women everywhere. i hesitate to sum it up this way, in a colloquial way, but basically we're screwed. that's just true. the fifth circuit has reinstated this law. that's isn't overturning of roe v. wade, the takes away women's right to control her own body, two weeks after she's missed a period. most women don't know they're pregnant at that time. and now it's up to the fifth circuit, people say oh not to worry, it can be appealed at the supreme court. will it can be appealed at the supreme court, but remember it's a supreme court that let this law go into effect in the first. place through a shadow docket, late at night, without even mentioning roe v. wade. the supreme court is extremely hostile to roe v. wade, they have five votes to overturn it. they have a case in front of them, the mississippi dogs case, and it looks like they're either gonna overturn roe v.
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wade, or so restrict it that none of us are gonna recognize it anyway. so i see nothing but bad news, it's infuriating, it's infuriating to me that none of these judges, either on the fifth circuit, or on the supreme court are listening to stare decisis, and and hearing to that basic principle. i find an infuriating, i also find it infuriating, that the congress has had 50 years to pass a women's right to control her own body, they've never done it. and we've never been important enough to them. and, it's time to have a little bit of a revolution. >> all right, eugene, those are sobering words. and as i don't need to explain to you, stare decisis you to be the bedrock of conservative jurisprudence. as we want knew it. let me ask you if you're reporting sheds any light on any reaction we might expect from the doj. >> yeah, i mean we've already seen the doj making very clear that they are going to protect
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a woman's right to choose. protect this constitutional right to choose. and say they that over and over again, i think we're gonna continue to see, they said, that they will sue where they need to. they will go where they need to do to get this done. and to do as much as they can to protect. but like it was just said, this is going to the supreme court, and all every singled indicator tells us that it looks like roe v. wade, for the most part, will be taken apart, or go away. and we will all be surprised if that is not the case, whether that's mississippi dodd or through this texas law. and that is something that has been, really interesting to watch. we haven't seen a lot politically, we haven't seen a lot of republican support for the texas law. they were worried that the texas law seemed a little silly, but it looks like the circuit that this law is one that is going to the supreme court, and is going to stick around for sometime. but the doj, like i said, has made it clear that they're
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going to continue to do whatever they can, but how much they can actually do is what we're lacking to see right at this point. >> jeremy, you covered the trump years, and as trump would say you cover them very strongly. i thought of you today, with trump remaining on brand, in effect telling his former aides not to rats. and, with mr. bannon, a man you spent a lot of time with, remaining on brands, telling his followers trump will still be reinstated after the election is decertified. perhaps even before 2022, that's not a thing, but you have to admire everybody stain on brand, jeremy. >> right, and this, brian, is exactly the ground that trump all of his followers wants 2022, and 2024 to be litigated upon. trump once the people who are
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in congress, after 2022 to be people who buy into his lie that the election was stolen. and he wants to run his 2024 campaign, if there is one, which at this point i think we would all be naive not to expect that that's going to happen. he wants it to be all about the myth of this stolen election. and i think, we've all seen a lot of the more marginal figures in the republican party, matt gates marjorie taylor greene, all these people go along with this. what's been more interesting to watch, are the mainstream republicans who are not exactly the same they think the election was stolen, but saying with a wink and a nod, that they think that there is election fraud and that there ought to be something done about it. even though there is no evidence of that, there is no
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evidence of it on a wide systemic basis. but they're saying, well, the democrats sent off all these ballots in the mail that no one asked for, and we don't know what happened to these ballots. that is the way, if i were advising people to look for ways in which, the republican party is mainstreaming fringe attacks, that's when i would look at. because, they are basically saying that the election is stolen without saying the election is stolen. and that is going to be our political reality for the next two or three years. >> cynthia, back over to you, once and for all is there any scenario under which a former president in a non national security area can declare privilege over documents once they've left office? >> sure, he can declare it, but
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that doesn't mean it's enforceable. what's going to happen today, what's happening now, is that biden has said i'm going to release these documents. and then under the law he has 30 days, trump has 30 days to complain. and if he doesn't do anything, the documents will be released. what's likely to happen is, on that day 29 and a half, he's going to file a lawsuit and come up the process. because, trump's whole game, it doesn't matter if it's legally correct. it only matters to him that he can slow the process down, as low of the process. because, after all, that's really worked for him. it worked for him in impeachment. by stalling, and not getting witnesses. it's worked with his taxes, and that's when bannon is counting on that it's gonna work for him with the subpoena process. so, no, he's not going to win the argument. but yes, he's going to try to make it to slow the process down. >> and eugene, back to your beads, was regarded as proforma or a big deal that biden
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decided, the way he did, on this tranche of documents. >> i mean, i think it was unsurprising, right? we expect as things move on, that the biden administration is not likely to exert executive privilege for the former presidents, and for his aides. but when they continue to say is that this is by a case by case basis, a big part of that is to make sure that when it's time for the biden administration to exert executive privilege over their own things. they haven't softened what that means. but this white house has a vested interest in helping this january 6th elect committee figure out what happened that day. not just because they're the campaign that turned into a white house that donald trump and his allies say stole the white house, which they did not, they won the election. but because they see it as bigger than them, bigger than the election, they see it as protecting democracy, and that's something that you heard
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from jen psaki today, they're concerned privately publicly, about what january six meant for that day. and so, what's really interesting is when you talk to folks inside, they are the last nine, of whether or not will see some of these documents and what these administration experts thing and what seems to be very very true. is that executive privilege lies in the office, and that's what a lot people learn today, including donald trump. leave office, executive privilege stays behind. so by him asserting something that he thinks he has, that's not true. it's why this administration had to refuse, had to assert, had to refuse to assert privileges, somehow, on behalf of donald trump. because it lives in the office, and i think that something that trump wasn't expecting, he wasn't expecting. he expects that he has that privilege for as long as he lives, as the former president, and that's not the case, and the biden administration made that very clear today.
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>> take us back to republican politics, there is a term for what trump is doing to all who would be presidential candidates in his party but we are a family broadcast, and can't use said term, but we both know but it is, and it reduces all the potential candidates to the boot licking role, for some of them, they are in their fifth year of it. talk about what this is doing to the republican party. >> so, as donald trump a goes to iowa tomorrow afternoon to campaign in a rally, when in many rallies that he has been holding for the course of the past six months, he is basically daring any republican who wants to be president to challenge him. so far, they have all blinked, mickey haley who gave a speech earlier this weekend at the reagan library, the theme was
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the future of the republican party, and she spent most of it talking as if she wore a reagan republican trapped in 1984, talking about socialism and capitalism, and communism. you know, it sounded as if she was speaking from a republican party that doesn't exist anymore, and does it. it's donald trump's republican party and there is frankly, brian, no way that i see any republican who wants a political future challenging him, if indeed he runs in 2024. it doesn't mean he will, he is notoriously fickle, we don't know what he is going to do, but the fact that all of these republicans are afraid to dare challenge him, from ron desantis, mickey halle, mike pence, they are basically running scared of him right now, and he is the leader of the
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party, the nomination is his to lose and if he runs i think that that is what we will be dealing with for the next four years. >> ladies and gentlemen here you have it, we are greatly indebted to our starting line on this friday night, eugene daniels, jeremy peters, cynthia ochsner, many thanks for starting us off, it's a lot. starting for us, he lost the election but as the former president with an ironclad grip on his party, winning the battle to avoid responsibility for what happened on one six, two political insiders standing by, we will talk about what to watch for next. and later, fiona hill, steps into the spotlight in the first impeachment of the last president, she is with us tonight and she has a warning, if trump wins again, she says, quote, democracy is done. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway on this friday night. friday night it's a sunny day. nah, a stormy day.
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since the insurrection and the country remains of course bitterly divided, our friend susan glasser at the new yorker puts it this way and we quote, the political crisis today is worse than it was, not better. the unacceptable has been accepted by a shockingly large part of the population and its
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political leadership. back with us tonight don calloway, democratic strategist founder of the national voter protection action fund, and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, also happens to be host of the michael steele podcast. gentlemen, great to have you both. good evening. michael, i'd like to begin with you, our mutual acquaintance rick wilson stirred up some you know what today on social media when he wrote a threat saying basically, the one six committee is already done. it's over, don't expect anything, he went on to say this is staffed wrong, lead wrong and a gutless exercise to get back to talking about infrastructure. they are not taking the risks seriously, they are not taking the data before them seriously, and they are eager to run out the clock. he received some strong pushback from the committee, i'll say that. michael, is there evidence to
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support his conclusion? >> well, you know, i don't know exactly what rick was basing his conclusions, on but i guess there is a genuine concern about just how hard this committee is going to press the trump individuals who are subpoenaed, brought forth, or asked to appear. how serious are they going to take this, how much effort are they going to put behind dragging these people into the halls of congress to sit before this committee to testify to what they know their role in it, etc. i think there is a legitimate concern about the level of pressure they are going to bring in that regard. you had, already, those who had been subpoenaed to basically blow it off and so the question now becomes, all right, the deadline is past, what are you
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going to do? i think that is driving a lot of rick's frustration, the frustration of a lot of folks who do want to this commission, commissions work to be legitimate and to reach the result of finding out exactly what happened. >> and don, you know the history of this, you see why people are suspicious, even when liz cheney promised us that they will follow up on the subpoenas, the folks watching in the cheap sheets say especially to the democratic leadership, when have you done this before, when have you ever insisted, when have you put the force of law behind a subpoena, they couldn't get john bolton into the capital if they offered him a new car. >> yeah, that's right. at the same time, that is not house leadership problem, that is on the democratic committees problem, what that is a problem with the integrity of the
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republican party who would want their subpoenas restricted, they're gonna subpoena barack obama soon as the house comes back, which it doesn't in this cycle but it will one day. they are going to one and expect people to respect their subpoenas, they are not affording democrat that some respect, and they are asking democrats to force the issue, to arrest folks and that is really not something that we should have to do in the interest of going to go to the discovery positive democracy. i was kind of offended by the gentleman from lincoln project this week, rick wilson, i like rick wilson a lot, i've been in many rooms with him and i respect his opinion but i sought as an affront to benny thompson, i'm not detached from that, and i really hated when members of the congressional black caucus or attacked are made to look weak, made to look and effective when in reality there is a disingenuous position on the other side in which to see bannon's of the world are going to tell people to not comply with subpoenas. that has nothing to do with the
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strong leadership coming from the house on this committee leading with benny thompson. fair point, point taken and perhaps rick is watching michael. >> yeah, i appreciate it. and if i tell you i'm not gonna show up to a congressional subpoena, and you don't show. who is that? on is that on me? or is on? you or is that on the body hook rescue to? appear >> they have federal authority. they have used as marshals that they can set out. >> you and i know, my mom is where it is only so good if my daddy is willing to let me. that's not the democrats fault that you're folding us to play hardball here, and you it's all of us, and you know this as a former politician. all of us participate in the social contract, to a certain degree. >> and if i do, that's what law enforcement is for. >> we're also trying to win
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elections, we're also trying to appeal to a middle of the road white voter. will that look like if i drag a bunch of white -- taken out of their country clubs. it's a tough spot for democrats to be in. it's an inch extraordinary to a spot, i think you hit the nail on the head and pointing out sensitivities there. >> michael steele, rebuttal? >> it's not so much a rebuttal, i mean look, we're kind of in the same space. my only thing is, you have the power, you have the authority that is given to you under the constitution and the rules of the commission. they explicitly set out that they had subpoena power. well, if you have that power. that means you should use the power. and it's not a question of them not using it, the question is will you? is it and what will you use? it to enforce it. look, bannon and others can hold up and and not appear, but when the marshals show up at their doorstep. that's a whole different
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conversation. when they then have to go get lawyers to deal with that, that's a whole different reality. let me tell you what's the gop expectation is. they're not gonna do it. you don't have what it takes to do it. that's what they're banning on. i'm being very serious. >> i want you to keep this same energy, in two months from now, when joe biden decides he has the power in the constitutional authority to head to the supreme court. >> he does, if he wants to do it and use it. look, you can't even decide to do the filibuster, so i'm not gonna worry about what you're gonna do in the supreme court. >> gut check time for joe biden and house democrats as well. you're absolutely right, they have the authority. you actives oh we don't understand the political realities, and he has to protect his house majority, as well as become reelected himself for their abilities sake. >> understood, but i think would happen on january 6th
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trumps -- and to use that term deliberately, trump's the political vagrancy's, or realities, or whatever they are for either party. >> i think you're definitely right, but you don't have a single elected republican, other than adam kinzinger, who's an open public square and let's talk about preserving democracy or preserving trumpism. >> true, but you've got subpoena power. so use it. >> i have controversial power, let me just but in here. i've been watching this too, there's nothing like when morehouse and john hopkins get together, it gets thorny. we have to get a break, both of these men will stay with us. division among the democrats themselves on full display these days, and look who's trying to capitalize on it. ese days, and look who's trying to capitalize on it
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>> republicans played a dangerous and risky partisan game, and i'm glad that they did not succeed. they wanted a solution to the debt ceiling, but said democrats must raise it alone by going through a drawn out, convoluted and risky reconciliation process. that was simply unacceptable to my caucus, and yesterday senate republicans finally realized that their obstruction was not going to work. >> chewing gum enthusiasm senator joe manchin managing to get attention even though he
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was just sitting with no speaking role, as he was seen they are clearly unhappy with schumer's post debt ceiling vote victory speech, he reportedly shared some choice words privately with his majority leader. here is what manchin had to say about it when asked. >> we heard you referred to this as an effing embarrassing speech. >> i never said that, that's john. your confusing me with my good friend john. >> so, still with us close friends don calloway and michael steele. all right, don, how am i wrong, your party is divided, air go the presidents agenda is frozen in midair, basically schumer needed mcconnell's permission to hold the debt ceiling vote. mcconnell is still going to charlie brown the democrats and there is no strategy for dealing with the minority leader. how am i wrong? >> well, i think the first
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thing we have to do here is acknowledge a substantial failing of the mansion staff, were positioning him to be seen and have his reaction seen in that shot. typically, senate staff are a little bit more sophisticated than a big miss like that. secondly, you're not wrong as a democrat, we are called the eternal optimist and we believe in mitch mcconnell even when we have to be in a position, a lot of the time when progress is our and gradual biden or angry with a guy like dick durbin or chuck schumer, it's because we get upset with having to wait on them because of their faith in the institution of the senate. their faith and how senators are supposed to remain collegial and deal with each other on some degree of respect and on a level. it gets very frustrating because you know that mitch mcconnell and the republican
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party at large does not behave with the same level of procedural or actual integrity. so, to answer your question, how are you wrong, unfortunately, you're not. >> michael steele, the republicans appeared to be happy watching all of this. most of them appear to be just fine with what happened on one six, and the a gust senator grassley is speaking at a trump rally in des moines iowa tomorrow. what have we learned? >> the more things change, the more they stay the same. i don't know why we are expecting, you know, a change in behavior at this point from gop members. they are falling all over themselves to appear with trump when they can, to reinforce his messaging when they can. and they use, to don's point, procedures of the senate against the senate itself.
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you know, mitch mcconnell is in the minority but you would think that he wasn't. and that is a reflection of his ability to use the tools of the senate, the very same way donald trump and used the constitution, used the integrity of the institutions that he governed over as president against itself. that is the new political dynamic that we find ourselves which is why going back to the last conversation, part of the conversation, it's important when you have the ability to use the tools to enforce the constitutional principles and ideas and to rein in rogue behavior, you should do so. it is no secret, at this point, as long as mcconnell and others know they can get away with it they will. who is going to stop them?
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i have been saying it for over two years now, they have not once been held accountable for any of it, any of it. two impeachments, covid, nothing. and at some point, and even when you look at the 2020 election, brian, republicans picked up 12 house seats. they closed the gap. it didn't widen, they weren't punished. so this behavior has no check, and this is why grassley shows up in iowa. >> our friends michael and don, some heavy words they have left with us tonight. both gentlemen will receive a copy of our home game along with our thanks for coming on and spending part of your friday night with us, greatly appreciated, we will do it again. coming up she spoke her mind at the former presidents first impeachment hearing, but fiona hill says two years later she is even more worried about the future of this country. lot of that going around these days and we will ask her about it when we come back.
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>> our nation is being torn apart, are highly professional expert is being undermined. u.s. support which continues to face aggression is being politicized. the russian government's goal is to weaken our country, to diminish americas global role and to neutralize a perceived u.s. threat to u.s. interests, we're running out of time to stop them. >> on the relentless assault on democracy today from within our own country, doctor fiona hill offers this warning in her new book she writes quote, if we fail to fix our ailing society, another american president, just like vladimir putin, might decide to stay in power indefinitely. and the next insurrectionary force that invaded the u.s. capitol building might be better prepared than the january 6th 2021 mob. they might just managed to
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hold. with us now fiona hill, she served on the trump administration as the senior director for european and russian affairs, national security council, and as a deputy assistant of the president testify during the first impeachment. she is currently in brookings institution senior fellow, and importantly the author of this new book, there is nothing for you here, finding opportunity in the 21st century. doctor hill it's a pleasure to have you here and i hope you don't mind starting with a personal observation, when the hearing started, i thought to myself, that sounds like a beautiful geordie accent and indeed on further research, you are from the northeast of england. the life on the banks of the river time, where life is hard, where that countryside produces tough people, indeed, this quote from your, book in the 19 eighties, your father of former coal miner used to say that
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parts of your own town bishop auckland might as well be in a war zone. we were refugees in our own land but there was no one there to help. perhaps we should call the united nations, he joke. you could do that one day, fiona. of course, he was absolutely right. and that is where i would like to begin with the story that people will read in your book, the promise america held for you and the journey and your departure from public and government life based on what you have witnessed at the apex of your career. well that's right, brian, idea i was incredibly fortunate, of course, to be able to achieve so much in terms of my career after leaving the northeast of england. my dad had set me off on this journey, -- a very difficult in the 19
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eighties in the northeast of england. set me off on an educational odyssey that led to some surprising places, even from my own perspective. but, you know, what's happened over the last several years, particularly the time when i was in the trump administration, going in there to work on russia. i've become extremely worried about what's been happening here in the united states, and just listening to the last segment with michael steele on the other colleague there, this situation where here in the united states, everyone we've seen it unfold in that first impeachment trial, we've had a second impeachment trial since then. the united states is starting to look like a war zone as well, when that's on the verge of being ripped apart by civil war. particularly after the insurrection, and the mob storminess capitol building on january 6th. one of the impetus for writing this book, was that experience of the testimony at the impeachment trial. really trying to find a way of expressing a very clear warning, of the situation that we find
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ourselves in right now. we i can't imagine what it's like, being one of the living experts on vladimir putin. being in the oval office, well donald trump is talking by phone to vladimir putin, you then watched along with us the national embarrassment, the result of helsinki. i heard it said that putin didn't even have to dust off his a-level material, to turn our president, that it was normal stuff for him, that it was easy for vladimir putin. watch, in the putin tactics, misinformation, false flags, and alike, do you see going on in our own life here? >> well, we've seen a multi-pronged attacked from the russian security services, the from the russians overtime. but they're doing is really exploding the polarization of
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the united states. so what the russian services launched -- an old textbook cold war influence operation in 2016, to try to interfere in the u.s. election. they were really just taking advantage of information that was already out there. they created fake persona is on the internet, exploiting the algorithms of facebook that we've heard so much about this past week. and then when it comes to targeting our leadership, they were targeting all the campaigns of most of the front runners that they saw on the election. and they found it very easy to manipulates our body politic, in the case of president trump for putin, it's quite easy to manipulate him because on the basis of flattery. there's been a lot of fixation about some kind of nefarious hold that putin has over the president, but really it was quite simple in my observations, and i talk a little bit about what i saw in the book.
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that putin just saw that putt trump was easily induced by some kind of praise. there is one situation in which putin was clearly hoping that trump would call him, and would speak to him, and he spent some time on russian television, and interviews, praising the performance of the stock market, and the u.s. economy from the russian perspective. and immediately after that trump said i'd like to call putin, because he said some nice things about me. the broader point is that putin has our number, he knows how to push our buttons. and he, he recognized that united states wears in some political problems, and that's really where we are right now. we are tearing ourselves apart as we've been talking about over this past week or so. >> doctor hill, our time is short, take about 60 seconds look into the camera, tell the people watching about the danger that exists to our democracy as we're having this conversation tonight. >> well, the real danger is
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that we're moving forward on the basis of ally. if we don't get through the bottom of what happened on january 6th, if we don't have an honest conversation about that, if members of congress on the republican party right now, don't look at themselves in the mayor, face up to what actually happened there, and speak the truth. we're heading down a path of many other countries have tried before, towards the degradation of our democracy. very unfortunately, on a path towards authoritarianism and autocracy. i don't say that lightly enough as anyone else, but we're in a very dangerous moment right now. >> to our viewers, i'll say only this, the thatcher era was especially cruel to the northeast of england. and so, there is nothing for you here, was kind of the admonition young fiona hill was sent off on in her american journey, which we hope contains more chapters. there is the book by the same title, by doctor fiona hill who has been our guest tonight, doctor hills thank you so much for spending time with us.
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>> thanks so much, brian, thanks for having me. >> coming up, for us, it's beginning to look a lot like we are in for a crush of travel volume starting very shortly. i hope you remember the volume just before the pandemic started. just before the pandemic started. started. (continued vehicle calamity) just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist, including automatic emergency braking. find new peace of mind. find new roads. chevrolet. over the summer, travel ramped
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up to pre-pandemic levels very quickly. airline passengers have been in the news for awful behavior, mostly. but airline capacity, not so much, those airlines are predicting another big surge this holiday's season. correspondent and thompson has more news about how early booking is more important than ever. >> americans are eager to make up for lost time. ready to take to the skies this thanksgiving and christmas, now that covid is waning. increasing demand, accompanied by increasing prices. >> the best time would've been to book a few months ago, the
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second time is now. >> travel website hopper said, don't wait until after halloween to make your plans, because you might get more frightening to. light >> what we see is that dresses will drift up about 40% from halloween to the week before thanksgiving. then they'll have another 20%. and that week of thanksgiving. >> hopper says the average air fare carried after halloween, will carry a 400 dollar price tag, and jump to $500 thanksgiving week. as for a place to stay, the vacation rental site gas d says it will cause more. to that average now $599 a night, almost double the price two years ago. united ireland says it's seeing a 16% increase in holiday travel searches, so it plans to add more planes in december, heading to sunday ski destinations like orlando and colorado. especially from the midwest. the travel bargains today, exist abroad.
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>> we are seeing these prices right now in the low six hundreds, round trip to europe. which is unheard of pricing. those are starting to get higher, so we're going higher for christmas time. experts say don't dally for the best price in selection, be flexible about your destinations and dates, and book that rental car now. >> and thompson, our thanks for that report tonight. coming up for us, if something is unverified but you're pretty sure it's true. that's fine, unless it's a national news story. we unless it's a national news story. we
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last thing, before we go tonight, is from our friends over at the daily show. they have noticed that a popular host on fox news, we'll never in doubt, seems to have a curious relationship with certain facts. >> now, we can't verify that that's true, but it certainly sounds right. we couldn't verify the that's, it sounds right to, me i don't know the. answer those are her claims, are they true? we have no way of verifying that. as of this time we have not independently verified the tape we but to show you, we have no reason to -- we haven't independently verified the authenticity of either video. i can tell you, as someone who's lived in washington from the 35 years, this stuff definitely. happens once again, we can't verify this. we have an independently verify the story, but we have note recent diet it. but you can judge for yourself. i think trust but verify. >> daily show with very forever
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noaa, to take us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast this friday evening, with our thanks for being here with us. have a good weekend, unless you have other plans, on the behalf of all our colleagues on networks on nbc news, goodnight. goodnight. this is a important message regarding at missing juvenile at risk. amber lee and two boys. >> cute not nothing matters anymore. >> teenager, it disappears. >> come home, please. >> someone had her, it kept us up and nights going, over in our heads what happened in from the school. >> when another gone. >> she is such a good girl, she needs to come home. >> there's a lot of desperation, maybe she is tied up somewhere, maybe she's been held

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