tv Hallie Jackson Reports MSNBC October 7, 2021 12:00pm-1:01pm PDT
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overturn the results of the legitimate election, and in the senate any minute we might learn about a vote on that last-minute debt ceiling deal that would avoid an economic crisis for now, but it might be deja vu all over again in just a couple of months. with the potential for a wrench to get thrown into this whole thing. also live in suburban chicago. president biden set to talk a little bit later to make his pandemic pitch for more businesses to require workers to get the covid shot. a lot going on on this thursday afternoon. i'm hallie jackson in washington. we start with the key investigative committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. the president telling the four former aides now required to turn over documents to defy those orders. that could move this whole investigation into a new phase, but we already know about plans for other deadlines coming up. the committee preparing criminal contempt orders for individuals
who defy subpoena reports and a report on what they describe as president trump's relentless pressure campaign on the doj to overturn the election and about a mass resignation pact involving justice department officials and white house lawyers. nbc has this report from capitol hill. nbc's justice correspondent pete will jams with us and also joining us kyle cheney with police cold. saha, let us start with you. what do they plan to do next, 3:03 eastern time thursday afternoon. >> hallie today is the deadline for the subpoenas for the four men in president trump's inner circle who have direct knowledge and knowledge of the events on january 6th. to this moment we've not heard word that they have complied or that they have any intention of complying and the question for the select committee is what to do if this deadline comes and goes without the four men complying for a subpoena.
the one option -- they have several options to try to enforce the subpoena, but option that the committee appears to be leaning towards is the idea of criminal contempt, a referral to prosecute the four men, to force them to comply with the subpoena. there are other options such as the civil route, but democrats learned back in the trump administration when they tried to use that on former white house counsel don mcgahn that it can take a very long time, ran the clock for a long time before he appeared and there's inherent attempt in which the sergeant-at-arms can arrest the men if they don't comply. one aide says no decisions have been made on that front but the chairman bennie thompson suggested publicly that this is the option that the committee is leaning towards. >> it's interesting. i should note pete williams chuckling there audibly on the idea that arrests would come down. kyle, i want to go, politico is
looking at a letter saying not to cooperate. president trump is prepared to defend these fundamental privileges in court. nbc news hasn't seen the letter. i literally just got a response from the trump team about 90 seconds ago. i'll read part of it. this is from one of the reps for former president trump saying, quote, the highly partisan communist-style select committee has put forth an outrageous broad records request that lacks legal precedent and legislative merit adding executive privilege will be defended not just on behalf of president trump and his administration but also on behalf of the office of the president of the united states and the future of our nation. the statement goes on to say some stuff about fake news. i'm not going to dignify that by reading it but the point is that they are insistent that they are going to defend what they describe as this -- this request that they say does not have legal or legislative merit.
talk about where this goes, kyle, and your reporting on this. >> this is deja vu again. when the house tried to get president trump's financial records while he was in office, that's exactly the same kind of argument that they put forward, that there was no legislative merit, that there has to be a legitimate purpose for the inquiry. they are trying to do law enforcement when they shouldn't be, and i think, you know, the committee has -- has pretty steadily answered all of those by laying out clearly what they are investigate and yrkts and what's different now is sprump a former president and so his ability to invoke executive privilege is close to none existent and where a current president might step in and defend a predecessor's right, we don't expect that from the biden administration here, and so that's the key difference here. biden's administration could enforce contempt orders where a trump justice department would not and maybe make this more of a headache for trump and he -- he just doesn't have the powers of the president sy anymore to
protect him. >> pete, talk about the legal risks for some of these former aides if they do follow this apparent directive? >> i think kyle is basically right. i think i would put it a little differently saying the extent to what a president can extend executive privilege is still a bit unclear. the supreme court said former presidents do have some authority but only as it pertains to their responsibilities in of course, the decisions and policies they make so about, you know, arguments about the election i think it would be hard to say that -- >> we've been down this road before. >> sure have. >> congress can charge them with contempt and almost never
results in criminal findings. it has happened before. there have been actual prosecution, but they are few and far between, you know, that courts tend to say, look, this is a political dispute between you and the executive branch. who are we to get involved? >> can i ask you. if you're dan schivino or mark meadows, what would obligation do you have for now given the position they are in? >> for now none. >> okay. >> for now it will be litigated. undoubtedly the trump lawyers will go to court saying we have executive privilege taking potentially months to resolve and in the meantime i don't think they have any criminal exposure. if at end of the day the courts say president trump has no executive authority here, no authority to stop these documents then the lawyers will have to decide do they want to stiff the u.s. congress and the congress. >> what's the select committee's pov on all of this? >> they are waiting to see if these four men comply. keep in mind they have ordered
to appear at depositions at some point next week. they have dalts that they have to factor in. i'm told that we could hear from as early as tomorrow and, nofrks this is a big test for the committee to send a message to all the people they are investigating. does this committee really have teeth and is it going to be successful at vogue the book at them or are the people in trump's inner circle also, they roll their eyes at this committee? what happens here is what goes forward in terms of how aggressive this committee will be and how people are afraid of defying it. >> kyle, talk more about what you know from your reporting inside sort of the team trump aspect of this, this preparation for what seems to be a looming pretty intense legal battle. >> sure, i mean, the first step
will be to again assert to the document that came from the national archives. biden will get to decide here does he cop cure and agree some of of these documents should be sealeded from release to corporation and if biden does not concur, that's when trump has another two-month window actually to go to court over this, so that's on the trump document said. on the other fuhr witnesses about, the question is will the committee go immediately to criminal contempt which might require a house vote. >> pete, i want to ask you about the so-called pressure campaign that the president pus on officials and that ended -- that occurred almost daily. talk about the interactions that
involved pat cipollone and others. >> move of the report documents what it lays out. jeffrey rosen, his acting attorney general and the white house counseling, to which there was a suggestion that jeffrey rosen wouldn't -- wouldn't be smart. if you try to do that, we're going to resign. all the assistant -- all the assistant attorneys general will resign. many federal prosecutors around the country will resign and according to the senate report pat cipollone said i will resign and so will my deputy. the president finally backed down. >> thanks to all of you. appreciate it. staying on the hill because at any moment we could learn a little bit more about when this
senate vote might happen that would prevent the u.s. economy from dipping into a major recession. we've learned new details about the deal on the debt limit struck by senate leaders chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell. here's what we know, the nationo borrowing limit will be raised to $4800 billion. what's the latest here? do we know if we are getting a vote today, we have senators rand paul and ted cruz who are saying, well, wait a second, let's slow this thing down. >> yeah. they are saying let's slow this thing down, and what it means is that we have the what which is the outline of a deal here that you just laid out, but we don't have the how necessarily yet because what republicans are now in the position of having to do is go through this to get to a cloture vote to bypass meaning
ten republicans won't have to vote to raise the debt ceiling, but they will have to vote to procedurally allow democrats to raise the debt ceiling. it's one degree removed from voting with the one thing republicans said they won't join with democrats to do but as senator john thune said sarcastically in when one member asked them if they have the votes. this has become such a political hot potato. now the senate does have that kind of time where the u.s. says the line of vet it will run out. it's another phase inner in situation here. that week in december is looking mighty, mighty dangerous when you consider can the fact that it's not just the debt ceiling deadline it's also government funding so this washington favorite game of kicking the can
down the road will make us go through all of this yet again in december, and the big question at that point is going to be how they end up dealing with the debt ceiling then. mitch mcconnell struck this deal and has been trumpeting it as a reason that democrats can now use reconciliation. that's the mechanism that mcconnell has wanted them to use this entire time and it's also the thick that every senate democrat who i spoke to yesterday says they are absolutely not going to do. hallie. what's up? we're just going to have this same conversation in two months. that's a devastating blow. >> thanksgiving will suck for capitol hill reporters. we're going to face this issue. we're going to have -- it depends on -- the debt ceiling is not a exact science. they use what's called emergency measures at the treasury department to extend this deadline a little bit. december 3rd is not set in stone but what they are doing
essentially is they will have government funding expires at the same time that the debt ceiling expires so will we have a big december clip. this is the way republicans are trying to increase pressure on -- on developments. they want to block the massive social sending program that the democrats are putting tonight. they can't defeat it straight away so this is their way of kind of doing it procedurally. >> thank you guys for your excellent reporting. we'll stay on top of this one. a lot of notes that could come in the next couple of hours. a lot of people are watching to make sure that in fact this debt limit crisis is averted. right now spbd on the ground in illinois praising how important vaccine requirements are. he's expected to be at that microphone sometime this hour to deliver those remarks.
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in the next hour we'll hear from president biden from where he's visiting today out in illinois not too far from chicago. he'll be talking about the benefits of vaccine mandates sand going to be pushing more private companies to require vaccinations for their workers. nbc news white house correspondent mike mema li e is on the road and we're joined by steve kornacki over at the big
board. you had ibm announcing today it's requiring all its workers to be vaccinated by early december. talk about what you're expecting to hear from the president, what your sources are saying as he makes the case now for more companies to do just this. >> yeah. we've been hearing from the white house just the message that vaccines work and what the president will come and say in a short amount of time is vaccine mandates work. you'll remember the real pushback especially from republicans when the president announced the much tougher vaccine and testing requirements for workplaces, the department of labor still working on that health and safety rule for businesses of more than 100 employees, and what the president is going to say. he'll be at a construction site. the company is imposing its own vaccine man day. he'll be with united ceo, one of the first airliners who did the same for their employees. you don't have to wait for this labor captain rule to take effect. you can do these things now and the white house in advance of the president's trip today released a report showing that
so many, 3,500 in fact institutions of higher education, hospitals, businesses, have already imposed these vaccination requirements and that the number of unvaccinated americans has really taken a nosedive because of it from 95 million unvaccinated americans in july down 2067 million now, and part of the president's argument, too, i thought one of the most interesting parts of the report that the white house release sad graph of open table, right. a lot of people make that to use dinner reservations around the country. reservations ticked up faster in states with higher vaccinateration than those with lower vaccination rates. it's not a health and safety argument are but also up that -- tomorrow is friday and they are trying to have the employment report and then the president is
waiting to the new pulling numbers. >> this is the lowest numbers from quinnipiac, 38% in quinnipiac, a majority disapprove. to put it in some context, the poll average when you get one poll like this there's always a chance it's an outlier, might be above or below and see what else is out there. let's take a look at the context for this. the average of all the current polling on biden's approval rating right now, the real clear average, it is on average higher than what you're seeing in quinnipiac, so it raises the question with quinnipiac, you know, is it a bit of an outlier here, a bit lower than where biden's number actually is? is quinnipiac sensing and pick up on a trend here that's going to come out in other polling in the next week or two, we'll see, but even if you take where the average is, the point still stands the president under water in his approval rating. not in a great place politically when you're under 45% approval rating, and we can zoom out a
little more context and compare where biden is with where his predecessors were at the some point. october of it 2017. here's where trump was. his average approval rating was lower. five pointsler than where biden is right now. that's where trump was at this point in the average, and we go back even further, where was barack obama at this point in his presidency, october twin, and actually there you see obama was at 52% approval rating so that obama number started out about 70. it was on a pretty steady downward trajectory. you see bide ebb sandwiched between trump and obama when you look at the average approval ratings here. the overall trend line for biden's presidency, the average approval since the summer has come down a bit here into the mid-40s. the other thing quickly is just
this generic ballots. next year's mid terms, democrats and republicans, what do you want to vote for. right now you see the average. generic ballot is a two-point advantage and the context at this point in 2017, the democrats led by the generic ballot by eight and took the house next year and took a 40 seats, going back to 2009, the generic battle shed a two-point advantage and 20-10, a year later, brought about the big year, 63 seats they picked up in the house then. >> steve kornacki, grat to have you at the big board and you're obviously looking live on president biden on that tour talking with workers just outside chicago. we do expect him to make formal remarks on the vaccine mandate push in just a little bit.
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a big day of developments in texas today with all eyes on providers of abortion services there. that is because a judge overnight basically said that that restrictive abortion ban is blocked, paused, at least temporarily, saying, quote, women have been unlawfully prevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by the constitution. you might remember though that texas lawmakers formatted this whole thing so that private citizens can sue abortion providers even retroactively meaning clinics face hard choices if they begin now.
we're going to get an update. talk to me about what you've seen and what you've heard on the ground here. >> well, hall lie, judge robert pitt since judges and county clerk can no longer sue abortion providers or people getting abortions can do that, and the providers you've spoken to, there's still a lot of uncertainty here. there are some providers moving forward with providing those services saying a woman can get this service today, but there are others who are saying they are not sure that they are ready to do that because as we know within hours of that ruling coming out last nirkt the state of texas did appeal, and so the last thing that some of these clinics want to do is call women in or schedule appointments and
then have to cancel them because of this ping-pong match still playing out in the courts. hallie? >> priscilla, thanks so much for being with us. >> amy, let me attorney you have to here. which have us an update of what you've seen and what your health care networks. it's a good. to be a provider. we've spent the majority of time, and it was an incredible ruling is 20, 130 pages what's at clear. blatantly unconstitutional, so i think important to understand
the laws -- there are many many. we can't just resume care immediately. there's still a 24-hour waiting period in effect for the state of texas. anyone who wants to come in for an abortion needs to come in for a state-mandated counsel is session, mandated ultrasound at wait 24 hours before you have care. >> the compliance -- if patients chose to opt in, we were able to procrime -- today we're also consenting this people who home it in the section couple of days fwfl -- the state filed a notice
of appeal. >> what does it mean for your providers and for your group to be able to provide those services to women today like you said and just explain to folks they came in and did their 24-hour waiting period, if you will, prior to toyed which is why they were able to access the abortion service. >> you know. this is not first timech we had a basic ray borings ban when government and bond abortion. folks, understand, the care that they need is timely and important to get early in the pregnancy and important to get in before there's an injunction that can be overturned. lots of phone calls and i'm hope
mark rosenthal -- and. like you said. there's a retroactive legal. it's something that scare us and give theme fair and pry vite. >> talk to me more about what the risks are because, you know, to be very clear here, if thin junction is lifted, you could still get sued for what you're doing today, what you plan to do tomorrow, et cetera, retroactively. >> yes. >> yet, you're still taking that risk and moving forward regardless? >> it's trrn to -- each need to
make -- we all have different values, different home lives that to be efesd. the if even if a claim is deemed dals and -- and recall this is not taken lightly. we've allowed staff to opt in. nobody's job is on the line if they are working and i'm blessed to work with here, os. i'm blessed to work with people who come to this work every day because of their values, because of their commitment to human rights and justice and people who have been waiting for this day to be able to call patients and say, yes, to be able to call patients and care for them in the way that they are trained to do instead of having to turn people away and listen to their
anguish, like we've had to do for the last six weeks or five weeks so, you know, tax mixed. it's scary because we know that the retroactive piece is still there, although it's like completely unjust and it's cruel, and majority of people in this country and in the world who have been watching what's happening in texas think this is absurd, and, in fact, the majority of texans don't support ab-8, and we know that -- it makes our families healthier and our families --p. we have a community that is supporting us. >> you have mixed snm -- what is it that we feel? fill in the blank for me. >> i know people that oppose us, right? we've been subjected to domestic terrorism for decades as owe borings providers in this
country. we've been surveilled. we had people call in false complaints. we know what these vigilantes are capable of and we experienced that first hand and so the net of fch -- we are the people looking folks right in the eye as we deny them and turn them away so the effects of sb 8 are palpable for our taffe. see the -- will -- these decisions are tough. the decisions are not nessie. we got this from judge --
>> which the. >> i think we've -- the constant providing care. >> thanks so much for joining us. i know it's been a bit of a whirlwind day. appreciate your time on such an important day. thank you. >> you're very welcome. officials in new york today announcing 18 former nba officials were arrested and charged in connection with this alleged multi-year health care fraud scheme. they say 18 former players and the wife of one of them were involved in what involved 4 million worth of i will complaints. with me now is tom winter. what's the deal of all of this? who is the linchpin here? >> it's this terrence williams who according to prosecutors orchestrated in their words this scheme, basically put it together where they would submit fake invoices for procedures never done to them. to the nba's health and -- they
weren't submitting it on -- number insurance can't dorff it. we wade for it out of. and kickbacks were also received from four of the den players flower. the nba caught on to this am some of the players are, the players we're looking at here, including new york knicks, are. at all men, the high school standout whose success didn't translate to the nba. a number of players had careers with nba teams so our understanding is that 15 of 18 players are in federal custody at this point. arrests helping from coast to coast. telfair will be presented in manhattan federal court this
afternoon and others will -- some of the things that might n. at one point all players claimed to have root canal surgery on the same doctor's office and on the same teeth. another player who said they had a root capital. there is a little bit of a lighter said. there's something that the fbi and new york director of the field office earlier and that's the severity of health care proud. >> this industry loses 10s of billions of dollars a year to fraud. this fraud is passed on to businesses and customers it. >> this is something that's been a focus of the justice
department including the ppp loans. we've focused on the billions of dollars in fraud in that. there's a lot of fraud out there in the system but not a lot of charges that have been brought so far have to do with 18 former nba players. >> always an adventure on your beat. tom, thank. next up, arizona's so-called election audit quote, unquote, putting it in quotes because it wasn't really an audit. democrats see it as a dangerous nationwide trend of the answers they are getting at a new house hearing. that's next. are getting at a n hearing. that's next.
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hash out some of their grievances what jamie raskin and andy biggs did. >> my question, mr. biggs, i'm happy to yield to you. who won the election in arizona, donald trump? >> we don't know because as the audit demonstrates very clearly, mr. raskin, there are a lot of issues with this election that took place. >> again. remember, the results of that audit didn't change anything. didn't prove any kind of widespread fraud, it reaffirmed that joe biden actually won the election and even increased president biden's margin of victory there. i want to bring in senior politics reporter who has been covering this story. talk to us about what you saw today. >> yeah. i was really struck by just how partisan and how the different realities these members were arguably really living n.democrats wanted to shine a light on this partisan review and look at the sort of problematic processes and what experts said was inexperienced third-party contractors who
didn't know what they were doing and were making it up as they went along and wanted to talk about that as this so-called audit spreads across the country and you see other counties and other states considering similar efforts, but instead republicans were saying, well, we don't know who won the election. it was really just two different worlds that which were talking about, and instead of actually looking into the specifics, members would spend their four minutes, you know, south of airing their grievances like you said and at the last minute can you explain this one thing. it wasn't really like a logical look at what was happening in arizona, it was instead just a partisan fight. >> do you see any signal, jane, and this is your beat, this is what you cover, i know. do you see any signal that anything is going to change between now and the 2022 mid-terms as it relates to the problems of the 2020 election? >> we're not getting a sense of what's going on. i thought republicans might pick
up some of the things where the third-party contractors would raise sort of processes that they didn't agree with or thought were confusing. i thought they were discuss legislation and push for voter i.d., a popular reform but instead people were questioning the basic facts so i don't think there's any way the two parties are coming together and people are going see what they want to see in those reviews which is oujly -- it's a real big problem when you explain the facts to somebody as the supervisors have repeatedly to the third-party auditors and if they don't believe us, what can we do? >> jane timm, keeping an eye on all things related to that situation. appreciate it. out west now to los angeles where the city voted to approve some of the toughest vaccine requirements in the country. nbc's erin mclaughlin is there with the latest. talk about when this goes into
effect and what this involves. >> reporter: hey, hallie, starting early next month those who are not vaccinated, well, their lives will get much more difficult due to the ordinance that the city council here in los angeles just passed. on november 4th, anyone trying to enter an indoor public space will need -- and they will need to show a negative covid test taken in the last 72 hours to enter museums, sporting events, the lakers game and it's about to get much more difficult for those not vaccinated and there's seemingly brought support. people here in answer remember just how pad it got. i was in the county hospitals and absolutely terrifying system
tulli looks like. one man started requiring proof of vaccines back of july. >> this is living with covid and we all have to take our own measures and be responsible to make sure we're all is off. bottom line for me is the in staff and those who vo v been coming here. now we're hardly getting any resentment. we're getting mostly thanks for doing this. >> 2 of the 13 council members who voted against this. who will enjurors it? which government agency?
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we have got break, news just in literally seconds ago from the january 6th select committee. the committee is announcing they have issued subpoenas, more subpoenas for documents and interviews related to the stop the steal rally and three new deadline force complying to the subpoenas added to the committee's schedule for later this month. ali vitali is back with us, joining us from capitol hill. these were the people involved in the permitting process for the rally, who were involved in the stop the steal rally that happened on the grounds capitol on january 6th? >> yeah, it is an important tis tinks. we know the rally that was happening on the ellipse where the president spoke. this was a separate rally
permitted by the stop the steal group. the permit was for around 50 or so people. we know what ultimately ended up happening that day. these are names -- two of them are named subpoenas for alley alexander and nathan martin. these are names our viewers probably tonight know but they were on the stop the steal rally request. the third subpoena is for an llc. in that subpoena i was truck by something specific that was written who says that it was the intention of the stop the steal to direct attendees of the earlier rally on the ellipse to march to lot 8 of the capitol. thusly connecting the rally on the ellipse to the rally on the grounds of the capitol by the stop the steal group. also revealed, alexander spoke
in prior weeks to the possible use of violence to achieve the organization's goals. again trying to say here and connect the pattern that this is something organizers had been talking about in the lead-up to these rallies at the capitol. where this fits in the larger scheme of things, though, hallie. we know last week we saw subpoenas sent to people who were involved with the first rally at the ellipse, the women for america first group. a lot of the groups there, they got their own round of subpoenas. what we are seeing the committee do is get all of these disparate rallies and all of the people associated with them at least on the record with subpoenas. we know from the subpoenas you were talking about earlier in the show, the four men at the heart of trump orbit, steve bannon and mark meadows, those aren't likely to be complied with. these rounds of subpoenas subsequently are not the big name people but the people who were on the ground involved with the granular planning of the rallies that ultimately turned
violent on january 6th. >> chairman thompson has a statement out about why they decided to issue these subpoenas now. quote, the rally on the capitol grounds on january 6th like the rally near the white house that day immediately preceded the violent attack on the seat of our democracy. over the course of that day, he writes, demonstrations escalated to violence, and protesters became rioters. the select committee, he says, needs to understand all the details about the events that came before the attack, including who was involved in planning and funding them, adding we expect these witnesses to cooperate fully with our probe. that's important to the committee, that's something we heard from committee members when they were talking about it. it is not just the planning, it's also who paid for it. where did the money come from to put this on. >> where did the money come from? who planned and paid for it? also the disinformation that went on on line around the results of the election which we know were won by joe biden. so there is a lot of disparate
threats the committee is trying to get to in this investigation of it is not just, although this is something of high importance to many people here in washington, it is not just what was happening in the white house with the former president and all his top aides. it's also what was happening a the grassroots level? was there coordination with the white house? and what was happening in the larger conversation on line. a lot of the conversations that i have had with lawmakers who were part of the committee, it's not just about who knew what when along with the characters and major players that you and i spent time talking to over the four years in the trump administration. it's also what was happening on social media all of which culminated on that january 6th day on capitol hill. >> i want to bring in justice correspondent pete williams who is also back with us on this. it is not entirely unexpected that the select committee would move to try to find out more information from these particular individuals and groups. >> there are some questions here. one is why did the capitol
police approve these permits if they knew the backgrounds of at least one of the organizers advocated violence in the past. there is something here to suggest the capitol police couldn't do that, couldn't deny it because it would be a violation of the first amendment. the second was what decision did the rally make into the decision to go into the capitol. one of the questions about the riot is why did it happen? whose idea was it? did it spontaneously happen due to the anger in the heat of the moment on at that indicate? or did somebody plan it. with 650 charges filed in federal court we still dent have that answer to that question. i think that's another question why the committee wants to question these people to see what role f any, this rally may have played in the decision to
enter the capitol. >> alley, can you talk to us now about the committee calendar? i know we are tracking deadlines, various things. it looks like they are requiring these documents back by october 21st. i have no idea what day it is today. but two weeks from now, roughly. and then potentially to come in front of the committee at the end of the month, right? >> yeah, basically what we have is a very stacked october in terms of deadlines for all the various subpoenas that have been sent out at this point. today is one of those deadlines for documents questions for people like mark meadows and dan scavino. those document requests haven't been met. we are not expecting those four men to comply with the grs the committee. nor are we expecting any of these other entities to necessarily comply. we will play the waiting game for the month of october. what you have now is each new week as we get into october we start seeing new deadlines coming and going. what we are going to see that the committee is going to have
to prepare for the event that they don't get their subpoena requests complied with. that's going to lead to them doing things like criminal complaints that allow them to have more teeth in terms of getting the things they need. subpoenas are powerful. but not if you can't back them up. in this case they say they can, and they are going to. >> do we have any idea how many more subpoenas we expect from the select committee? >> no, but we are told there are more come. again, they have a lot of threads of information they are trying to follow and get answers to. so you are not going to just see subpoenas for people in the trump orbit. you are also going to see them asking to talk to people in social media orbits. we have seen document preservation requests going out to social media and telecom companies. there are a lot of pieces to this. in many of these cases in order to get information they want from reluctant parties or people who won't cooperate without their arms being twisted they are going to have to move to
subpoenas. they are doing that expeditionly and quickly because time is of the essence here, too. >> pete last word goes to you. >> i would say we talked before about trump officials's ability to resist subpoenas. this is different. these aren't former officials. their ability to resist these subpoenas will be much more limited. >> pete williams live for us there with the breaking news. ally vitale.howing back in front of a camera for us from the capitol. thank you for watching this hour of hallie jackson reports. a busy one. find us on twitter. we will see you back here tomorrow afternoon, same time, same place. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. new details on what became the missing piece of the puzzle in the disgraced expresident's
campaign to overturn the 2020 election results. their failure to get the justice department to tip the scales and declare the election riddled with fraud. even though we all know there was none. a bombshell new report released just this morning by the democratic majority on the senate judiciary committee is revealing just how far trump was willing to go to enlist his justice department in his scheme and how important the d.o.j. was to trump's coup attempt. thetimes says the report describes how justice department officials scrambled to stave off a series of events during a period when trump was getting advice about blocking certification of an election from a lawyer he had first seen on television. and the president's actions were so unsettling that his top general and highways speaker discussed the nuclear chain of command. among the most stunning revelations new details on a tense january 3rd meeting in the oval office in which top leaders of the justice justice department warned of a wave of