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that holds, you can't become a lawyer. his conviction was wrongful and that's how he became one. i want to thank him for keeping up with us over the years. the type of person we can live from overcoming adversity and trying to help others so they don't have to go through what he went through. that's our final thought on "the beat." thanks for spending time with us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> good and positive note. thank you so much, ari. appreciate it. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with multiple disasters, shocking and sad. california is dealing with what officials are calling an environmental catastrophe after thousands of gallons of crude oil spilled off the coast of california this weekend. the oil seeped into a marsh on huntington beach home to 90 species of birds and look, dead fish and birds are washing up on california's coast.
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we still don't know the long term effects on human health, what those will be but this bill is one of many reasons why the united states needs to reduce it's dependence on fossil fuels and it under scores how important it is for congress to pass some sort of climate action. the build back better act would be a nice first step to allow us to invest in clean energy and research and preparedness as well as environmental justice initiatives and maybe save birds. but democrats are still working out the details over the price and what exactly would be in the bill. we already know that former coal company owner joe mansion has issues with the provision in the bill that would incentivize companies to shift toward clean energy. in a speech today in michigan, president biden stressed the importance of passing both infrastructure bills. >> these bills are not about left versus right or moderate versus progressive or anything that pits americans against one another. these bills are about competitiveness versus
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complacency. they're about opportunity versus decay. they're about leading the world or continuing to let the world pass us by, which is literally happening. to support these investments is to create a rising america. america is moving to pose these investments is to be coplacent in america's decline. >> it's what is in the bill, not the price tag that matters. but there was some progress last night when progressives said they would support whatever price tag that biden can get the moderates to agree to. but we're facing a far more imminent threat as the gop continues to hold the american economy hostage. we are now just 13 days away from defaulting on our nation's debt because republicans are making this entirely about politics and seem to have no regard for the fact that a failure to raise the debt limit could plunge the united states into a deep recession. they also don't care that the debt went up by almost $8
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trillion under trump which is part of the reason congress needs to raise. it's kind of like they went to dinner, ordered lobster and steak and caviar and when the bill arrived, the democrats ordered a sensible salad it's on you. you have the credit card. you pay for it. you might know that behavior is mitch mcconnell is making it hard and wants to sew and told democrats they need to raise the debt limit. okay. the democrats plan to block democrats, republicans when they try to do just that tomorrow. and said mcconnell wants to force democrats to cram the debt limit into their already fraught negotiations over reconciliation on top of build back better.
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>> look, they said they're perfectly prepared to do the job themselves. the easiest way to do that is through the reconciliation process as i pointed out for two months. >> how is that a concern republicans are then passing -- >> that would require getting consent from every single republican to lower the threshold to 51. i can't imagine that would happen. >> well, he's -- too bad there is not a leader of the republican party to make that happen. democrats are considering a carveout to allow them to by pass but joe mansion isn't willing to do that because of force. tina smith of minnesota. senator, you heard mitch mcconnell sounding as if well, you know, that would require republicans to some of them to allow democrats to do it. i mean, i can't imagine who might be able to influence republicans to do that.
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your thoughts? >> democrats are prepared to raise the debt ceiling and to do the right thing and republicans aren't going to help us all the way and mitch mcconnell's ploy is nothing but another cynical effort. we can't let him do this if the republicans are not going to just get out of the way and let us pass this debt ceiling, this debt ceiling we'll have to do it on our own and it's just ridiculous. it's hard to not laugh at it but this is the full faith and credit of our country. this is about whether veterans' benefits and medicare payments and social security gets paid. this is about whether our economy is teetering right now, it is not a laughing matter and
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really outrageous that mcconnell continues to use the senate rules for political power to stand up to him. >> not just mitch mcconnell. this is lindsey graham talking about the real goal and allowing defaulting on the debt and a specific dollar figure opens the door for republicans and impacts on democratic income wants. he said i won't be a complete a hole but i'll make them take votes. what republicans are doing is they want them up for reelection to raise the debt limit on their own so then republicans can turn around and say ah, ha they're the big spenders. he's going to lose money, too. republicans like mitt romney
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will lose millions and millions of dollars, too. they will hurt themselves. do they have a plan to raise the debt limit right now and if so, what is it? >> let me tell you i want to point out something about this. what mcconnell is trying to do here is he wants us to have to take votes to raise the debt limit by a specific amount because he thinks that if we do that that it's going to district -- distract america that under trump the debt went up $8 trillion. he doesn't want us to notice he himself voted to raise the debt limit 32 times. that is the criticism of this effort and the reality also that he is using the financial help, not only of our country, which is a huge deal but also the financial help of health of american families. he is using this as a partisan weapon and that is what people hate about politics and we are
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not going to let him get away with it. >> is there a plan, a specific plan? >> well, i mean, i can't talk specifically about what the plans are, joy, what i can tell you is democrats are not going to let the united states of america go over the cliff of the debt ceiling. we're not going to let that happen. >> because democrats order the sensible salad and actually pay the credit card bills. that's the way it works with the dine and dash people. senator tina smith, thank you very much. appreciate you. on a flight the d.c. yesterday a daca recipient asked senator krysten sinema multiple times with no lock if she'd commit to voting on a pathway to citizen ship in the reconciliation bill. she was part of a protest today demanding that pathway to citizen ship, a provision that was originally in the build back better plan that the senate parliamentarian has twice shut down. i'm joined now by karina as well as adam, former deputy chief of staff to senate majority leader harry reid and battle born
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collective. i have to very quickly ask adam a question based on what we just heard from senator smith. have you ever met the voter whose voting issue is the specific amount of debt the united states owes, debt is their only issue? >> no, absolutely not. especially dealing with numbers at this point that verge on the comical, you know, so democrats i'll sound like i'm joking but i'm not. they should raise it to a gagillion dollars. they will raise it so it's knot -- not the republicans issue and sounds silly, you can't put democrats raise believe that so i think both for the sort of good policy and good politics here is to just take the opportunity to get this thing out of the way and i don't think voters will barely notice that
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it happened. >> correct. the $28 trillion, thank you for being on the show. people do care about policy. people want to know what someone did and that's how they evaluate and elect in the first place. voting for this parliamentarian tells democrats they may not put a path to citizen ship in the bill. nobody knows who that lady is. what do you make of the fact democrats are willing to let the parliamentarian tell them they cannot get a path to citizen ship for people who need it? >> it is wrong. senator sinema and they cannot move the parliamentarian as an
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excuse. we know they have the power to ignore the opinion from this paraminute tin yin. and that the bill can include immigration especially what we have tacked about that it's just moving a date. >> did you get senator sinema to interact with you at all because she doesn't talk to a lot of people? do you feel she was listening to you? >> she was trying to ignore me and get me out of there. and it wasn't my intention. my intention was not to make her uncomfortable but my intention was to make her heard and commit to making sure that we're not going to be left out again like before in 2017, 20 -- we haven't
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been left out over and over again and my intention is to work on this issue of immigration and she didn't. so that's why i took action with another group and i decided to shave my head as a sign of commitment and community and show them and i decided to show her the commitment looks like and i love my hair and i decided to let go of it. >> indeed. adam, politics is about choices and it's about what you're willing to go to the mat and fight for. democrats are the party of the rising american majority, people of color, younger people. you know, single women vote for
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democrats more than they vote for republicans. people whose reproductive rights are a threat. these are people counting on them and so, you know, what do you make of the way that their doing these choices? it's not clear they started writing this reconciliation bill. all 50 democrats voted for this top line number initially, $3.5 trillion and now they're fighting each other rather than getting back to the point, which is people are the kinds of people, her family, those are the kinds of people who they in theory represent. how could they fight this differently in your view? what could they be doing differently in the senate because the house is doing a descent job? >> yeah, i mean, what i would say is i think most democrats are there. i think you see that in the house. and in the senate you have 48 democrats out of 50 who are for making the right choices. i think that if this could pass with 48 votes, it would pass at
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about $3.5 trillion where it was set in the first place, which would be robust enough to deal with the crisis we face. the problem is, we have two democrats, joe mansion and krysten sinema making this difficult and extremely difficult. in particular senator sinema is refusing to tell us what she wants. she is blocking the bill without being specific about what she wants and that's why you're seeing the rising anger that i think is very legitimate about this refusal and this choice to block these urgently needed programs and that is why you're seeing actions like karinas, which was very brave and profound and revealing of senator sinema and groups launch names like primary sinema that are dedicated to getting the act and already. >> one more question, we're out of time, adam did.
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>> the democrats will raise the ceiling. >> we'll get into that. it's a long conversation. thank you very much. adam, thank you very much. please come back soon. up next on "the reidout." >> no one truly understands the destructive choices made by facebook except facebook. >> the facebook whistle blower bombshell allegations the social media giant turned a blind eye to destructive misinformation in the name of profit and her cells have been used for some of the biggest breakthroughs in medical research earning billions. the family is seeking justice and tonight's absolute worst drops the f bomb while preaching say vil -- civility. "the reidout" continues after this. civility. "the reidout" continues after this
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children, stoke division and weaken our democracy. >> facebook whistle blower francis hoggens spelled out differences against the social media giant she called morally bankrupt in congressional testimony today. she told senators facebook prioritizes profit over public safety in steering users towards toxic content detrimental to the mental health of young users and undermining our democracy. >> facebook's own research says they cannot adequately identify dangerous content and as a result, those dangerous algorithms they admit are picking up the stream sentence of division. they can't protect us from the harps they know exist in their own system. >> she also filed a whistle blower complaint with the securities and exchange commission accusing facebook of misrepresenting problems with the platforms to investors. one of the eight complaints outlines how facebook knew it had a problem. the complaint said facebook's
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own experiments show the algorithm can veer people interested in conservative topics into radical or polarizing ideas in groups and pages and sites a facebook study that new users that follow the quote verified high quality conservative pages such as fox news or the former president saw polarizing content within a day and quote conspiracy recommendations within two days. it tookless than a week to get a qanon recommendation. >> facebook has been emphasizing a false choice. they said the safeguards that were in place before the election implicated free speech. the choices that were happening on the platform were really about how reactive and twitching was the platform, right? how viral was the platform? facebook changed the safety
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defaults in the runup to the election because they knew they were dangerous and because they wanted that growth back, they wanted the acceleration of the platform back after the election, they returned to their original defaults. and the fact they had to break the glass on january 6th and turn them back on, i think that's deeply problematic. >> for its part, facebook released a statement after hoggins testimony calling her a former product manager that worked for the company for less than two years, had no direct reports and never attended a decision point meeting and testified more than six times to not work on the subject matter in question adding we do not agree with the characterization about the testimonies. joining me is assistant professor of law at st. john's university and nbc news senior reporter ben collins. ben, we've been talking about a lot of misinformation spread like this fake version of critical race theory and anti mask stuff and qanon. we talked a lot about qanon and
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this report on the qanon says through the most of 2020 we saw non-violating content believing the qanon conspiracy took hold in multiple communities in such believes motivated people to kill perceived enemies. this is dangerous stuff, your thoughts? >> yeah, i want to note this that we've known this for a very long time. we've done this for the last few years. it great a whistle blower is pretending this now. i want to say this would have been better last year if it was happening because it was all happening back then. we were trying to blow the whistle. reporters say this is really bad. people were coming from yoga groups of wellness groups or church communities and ending up in qanon communities in two or three clicks. this is not news to anybody who has been in this space. but it's important that it's coming out now. it's kind of undeniable now that
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facebook not only knew about it but put it on paper. this woman had access to basically an internal wiki. something most people had access to. most people in the company at facebook continue to have access to. everyone at the company knows about this. that's what is troubling here is that the dangers of this company are known internally. facebook won't admit what specific dangers they are but say they need regulation until we even know what is under the hood there, we can't begin to make that regulation, i think, or even draft ideas that make a lot of sense. >> yeah, and they rely a lot on the free speech defense. they don't want to call free speech. they are letting a lot of this happen. let me let you listen to one more byte and she's talking about the specific effect on teenagers. let me let you listen to that. >> in the case of teen girls and
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self-harm, they develop feed book cycles where children are using instagram to self-soothe but then exposed to more and more content than makes them hate themselves. >> when i hear that they too are gravitating toward content that feeds what they want to hear already if they're worried about the vaccine, they're gravitating toward that content and facebook is rewarding them for clicking on it. whether it's children whose self-esteem is destroyed or grandparents, it feels like the algorithm treats them the same way. is that true? >> there is some truth to that. i want to double down on what ben said. there is a bunch here we already knew and well aware of from various places that was not as comprehensively given to us is what francis and ms. hoggin has
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done. i think that -- i also want to say her testimony today is something that we've never seen before and that we have only seen from the sea suite and that is a huge mistake. they have no idea at the very tops of this company how the company is working and the number of people that are working within the company to try to make the company better and to do the right thing and to try to improve these systems from within instead of fighting them from without. i think that francis is one of those people and i think the kind of testimony today and this point about the instagram and how it relates also to adults as well as children, that is something that i think is absolutely true and is kind of very -- you're always going to get when you have a targeted ad funded program. whether that is, i have to say, whether that's mass media like magazines and ym and "teen," i would just turn those pages when i was 13 and they have the exact terrible -- but not at this scale. so i think that is something to think about.
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>> the scale, ben, is that everything is facebook. instagram is facebook. what's app is facebook. they're in all these different aspects of your life. it's if you get one of one platform, the other ones have alorithm behavior and the u bicty of it makes it feel like a monster and brings out other conspiracy theories. that outage yesterday, lots of conspiracy theories. people say hey, i wonder if that is to try to make -- do we know anything about what that outage is about? because it also showed how, you know, kind of integrated into our lives they are. >> first of all, we don't know a ton about how it happened or how exactly this took place in that way. we do know facebook is so much so they couldn't get into the rooms they needed to fix it because it was tied to facebook, tied to facebook.com. it's a complicated mess.
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i want to bring up, joy, to us facebook is a lot of things. it's a way to read the news and get your ivermectin conspiracy and things to us but throughout the world, facebook is commerce. facebook is selling things and having your own small business. in india, there are phones that were bricked yesterday like not usable because they're so tied up in the facebook ecosystem because they were given away by facebook to communities over the last five to ten years there. the idea of extracting facebook from the internet at this point, you are -- it might bleed out. there is a lot going on with now facebook operates with communities all throughout the world and it's really banking. it's their business for a lot of people. >> it's almost too big to make it fail. kate, ben, thank you both very much. still ahead on "reidout" the
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style and grace and the emotional touch stone for her family. in 1951 she was diagnosed with an aggressive form of cervical cancer and this is where she changed the world but here is the thing, she had no idea. that's because when she went to johns hopkins, the only hospital that would treat black patients, doctors took samples of her tissue without her knowledge or consent and sent them to a cancer researcher working at the hospital. that researcher discovered unlike others, her cells had the rare ability to survive and regenerate. those cells could essentially live forever, the first of its kind and they took advantage of that with great success. today her cell haves been used in every realm of scientific research such as polio and hpv vaccines and in vitro and even used to help research the covid vaccines. she died shortly after her diagnosis but her cells continued to be used. scientists share her private medical information with the press.
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they even sheered her genome, your personal genetic code with the public. this was all done without consulting her family. scientists today buy her cells from anywhere from 400 to thousands of dollars per file. yesterday her estate filed a lawsuit against thermo fisher. the company has not publicly responded. i'm joined by ben crump one of the family's attorney and mr. lax, her grandson. i want to put up for the audience some of the things your grandmother's cells have helped to advance, everything from the polio vaccines as i mentioned, understanding x-rays in the human cells, the ebola and hiv vaccines. trying to understand, sorry, the ineffectivity of ebola and hiv, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. when did your family find out
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that your grandmother was the source of the scientific miracles? >> thank you, joy, for having me. it's a pleasure. decades. [ laughter ] >> yeah. >> my mother was the one that by accident she was having it down the street and the presser coming to lunch, her neighbor introduced her as barbette lax and said we're working with henrietta lax and my mother and law and that's how we found out. >> ben, there is a sense of dehumanization of black bodies and black life here where she, while a human being with a life, that's how we try to describe some of her life was just treated as a product that could be bought and sold and disposed of at will by a company. this company and johns hopkins. it's a wild sort of reality
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that, you know, black life was treated this way. what do you hope to gain from this lawsuit? what do you think will be gained? >> well, obviously, henrietta lacks' cells were unprecedented so we know this would be a precedenting setting lawsuit not just for simple just first, not just for social justice, but for genetic justice, joy reid. justice that will flow from generation to generation, and when you think about henrietta lacks being treated in this inhumane manner like she was a lab rat, which was common at the time when they did medical experimentation, what it was mounting to is medical racism but through all that evil, we have this miraculous discovery of this black woman who cells have become the corner stone of
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modern medicine and every pharmaceutical corporation in the world has made billions and billions of dollars yet her family has not made one red cent and we're saying in this lawsuit, their have the right to define her legacy, to benefit from her legacy and to pass her legacy on to their generations of children yet unborn because her life matters. >> you know, there is a feeling almost like this is sort of another way that slavery operated, right? mr. lacks, that your grandmother while human was just seen as, you know, ben crump said as a product that could just be bought and sold and that her family was owed nothing. it's shocking to me that johns hopkins was there any communication at the time with your grandmother to say to her, you know, you have miraculous cells or something iraculous
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about you. would you be interested in any way in joining -- i don't know. i know black people weren't treated in most hospitals. did her doctors communicate at all what they were doing? >> not at all. matter of fact, my grandfather told a story so many doctors coming into her room was strange to them period, that she was getting so much attention. a black person didn't get that much attention back then. so they knew something was wrong then but never expected why. >> it's shocking. so just for those watching, this is the hela cell. the hela, which stands for henrietta larks. they are ordering to disgeorge the full amount of the profits obtained by commercializing the hela cells. do you have an idea what those profits have been over the years in total? >> we don't know but we know thermo fisher alone, this
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distributor of the cells reported a profit of $33 billion last year and that's not to say what merck pharmaceutical, pfizer, johnson & johnson. i mean, it's billions upon billions and that's when you think about george floyd this past year and how the corporations all made these pledges to social justice where a lot of them were pharmaceutical companies, as well. so if you want to honor that pledge, well, do right finally by henrietta lacks. do right by henrietta and with mr. ron lacks, you're the perfect person to talk about this because you've always been an outspoken advocate for black women to get their recognition because so often they are disrespected and never has that been more abundantly clear than with henrietta larks. >> amen. >> they changed the name to
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helen larson and helen lanes. >> they tried it. they tried it. and you wonder why black people don't trust the medical establishment and why we have to beg and plead with people to get vaccinated. they don't trust the system. these are the reasons people don't trust it. there is a real reason people don't have trust. ben crump, thank you so much for doing what you do. ron lacks -- >> did you get -- >> sorry? >> show your book. show your book. absolutely. show your book. there we go. "the untold story." there you go. definitely, y'all pick that up. thank you both very much. up next, pack your bags, put on your comfy traveling clothes, cpac is taking its creepy right wing love fest on the road. it's itinerary will raise the eyebrows of those who love democracy. that's not stopping c-pac. oh, no, stay with us. c-pac. oh, no, stay with us
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like various resorts, the appears they're on the hunt for a new authoritarian leader. case in point c-pac we saw travel to trump's backyard to praise the golden calf. earlier this summer they returned to brazil where c-pac speakers there offered great praisecrat tick president and now sights set on hungary where it will be hosted by a man who consolidated power under his control. no surprise to see the rights embrace of such authoritarian leaders given what transpired over the past five years but doesn't make it less troubling when our old friend spends a week in hungary. >> a few years ago his views would have seemed moderate and conventional. he believes countries need borders. for saying these things out
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loud, he has been vilified. >> so who is freer in what country are you more likely to lose your job for disagreeing with the rules classes orthodox? the answer is obvious. if you're an american, it's painful to admit it. >> joining me is david corn, washington burro chief and charlie pierce. david corn, he says he's a normal average conservative. your thoughts? >> this kind of reminds me of the dead heads going from one show to another. they started in brazil who talked about cancelling the next election in 2022 there because there is fraud. he's taking up the trump line and now they are going -- into brazil and going off to hungary. it's like the magical authoritarian. they can't get enough of these right wing anti democratic -- not just their conservative, which is fine.
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people have a right to be conservative but anti democratic. they try to shut down the media. they try to shut down the judiciary. we've done this in brazil and hungary and for some reason, just warms the cockles, whatever cockles are, of the right wing and c-pac and while they can get a lot of trump here, they can get desantis and tom cotton and mike pence if you want the watered down version but that's not enough for them. they have to go all the way to brazil and hungary and what's next? i don't know. will they end up in china? >> i mean, it's part of the appeal, charlie, apparently of people like orban is he professes a similar type of right wing christianity they want to see imposed on the united states. he did that when he was performing with tucham when he went there to praise him and mike pence recently spoke to somebody where he praised how abortion rates have fallen under the leadership.
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he says that he hopes that the united states supreme court will ban abortion. so they -- you know, and putin has done a similar dance where they sort of hug a kind of right wing christianity and that's all it takes for the american rights to love them. your thoughts? >> there is no question. i used to like when there was only one c-pac a year. >> right? >> you know who all those people are and all in one place and you keep an eye on them. now they're all over the world. you have to use your airplane miles to go to c-pac. used to be all you need is a subway token. i think you make an excellent point. there is a very -- i mean, i can speak only for the church of my birth, there is a very strong strain of right wing catholicism in the world should be obvious to everyone including in the united states and he's a hero there, too. there are a number of right wing catholic writers who have gone over there on fellowships for a
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week or a month or whatever and that -- i mean, that to me makes orban different from bolsinaro would sell him a ranch or something. he is tied into the intercontinental white nationalist populous, i used that last word advisably network and that, by the way, will be what out lasts donald trump. >> and also preceded him, david. steve bannon who used to get over in the main stream political media by calling themself a nationalist populous and people would repeat that in political services like a normal whatever but he's, you know, white nationalist very openly, a christian nationalist and wants to sort of europeanize american
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conserve 'tis m and he's open about that. this is how he thinks the right should treat this country. this iscountry. >> we're winning big in 2022. we're going to win big in 2024. we need to get ready. we control this country. we've got to start acting like it. >> his creation, or you know, that he helped create, donald trump, sent orban a letter after he was on tucker's show talking about great job on tucker i'm proud of you for your continued friendship -- with a big magic marker and all that sort of stuff. they're all trying to -- it is a weird europeanization of the american right. your thoughts, david. >> there's a lot of history here to the whole show talking about that. the right wing in america was infatuated with francisco franco in spain, and there was a heavy dose of catholicism to that too.
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they have long played with dictators in europe who they thought were beating back the communists. you can think about charles lindbergh going over to germany in the 1930s and accepting an award from goerring. i think there's more of a religious element now than the worry about keeping bolshevism at bay. but they seem to be drawn again and again, whether it's augusto pinochet in chile. jean kirkpatrick with the junta working for the reagan administration. they are drawn to these forces. it's worrisome only to the -- well, not only to but it's worrisome to the extent that they become this mutual dynamic in i with they're normalizing him and they use him to normalize their own use. you saw that with tucker. he goes over there and says see, what i'm saying isn't so
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outrageous. white nationalism. anti-immigration. both sides are using the other to normalize their extreme radical and somewhat racist positions. >> and charlie, orban is sort of trump's dream of what he wants to be, right? he's openly white nationalist, anti-immigrant, saying we have to protect our people in hungary, that they're the ones who need to be elevated. he professes this far right-wing christianity. everything that the tuckers want of the world, right? and the fear is that if they pass it through, with cpac and things that sound like ordinary conservatism, they can attract more people to it. in their mind that's the way you get minority rule. i worry that democrats, americans are not worried enough about the threat that these people pose. are you worried about that? >> oh, believe me, being familiar among other things with right-wing catholic households, having grown up in one, one day we were cleaning out my parents' house after my mom died and
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discovered a large framed picture of father coghlan. my parents had a secret life of which i knew nothing, and certainly didn't have any impact on me. yes, i'm extraordinarily worried because we can't seem to divorce ourselves from the fact that trumpism is going to live on after the inevitable occluded coronary artery strikes and donald passes from the scene. now, there might well be a leadership fight over it. you know, between bannon and -- if someone decides to be an heir. but now it's allied in this weird kind of new cold war with its forces in europe the same way -- as david pointed out we allied ourselves with reactionaries all over the world during the actual cold war. i'm very worried. >> same here. david corn, charlie pierce, i'm with you. i'm worried as well. thank you guys both. up next, it is not your views, dear. it's your.
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the arizona senator has canceled her in-person meetings and hasn't hosted a town hall in three years. so desperate times, desperate measures. but of course the republican party has pounced on the incident to reignite the decency debate, clutching all the pearls as they complain whatwhat if those activists will h. been maga? first of all, the republican party saying the left is uncivil. ha! i just had to get that out of my system. but also we don't have to wonder. this is still 2021, the year a maga mom defecated in our capitol, hurled obscenities and racist slurs at police and even brought their own noose like a good old-fashioned lynch mob. the year conservatives manufactured outrage over masks and history lessons, took our school boards hostage like a bunch of screaming maniacs. so yeah, you the republican party, proliferators of harassment and violence, you don't get to talk about decency. the people in your party who accost democratic colleagues using misogynistic curse words. people in your party harassed mass shooting survivors,
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taunting and stalking a teenager. you betcha. margie three names would have followed david hough into a bathroom. and ted cruz essentially tweeted f.u. biden using a "wheel of fortune" meme. side note ted cruz what do you do all day? it's stunning, a silting senator sending that message to the president of the united states of any party. but again the republican party is what it is. it's ted cruz. a power hungry member of the sedition caucus to who supports pro choice language to attack unvaccinated nba players while attacking a woman's right to cheese. neera tanden called him a vampire in her tweets for which she had to publicly apologize only to still not get the job at the the office of management and budget. even as cancun cruz worships at the feet of the ultimate mean tweeter. to which cruz simply said please, sir, may i have some
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