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thousand offshore accounts, or onshore accounts in this case. but the documents didn't tell us why they moved the money here or where the money came from. that's a question potentially for investigators. >> hold the position offshore when you're talking about south dakota. tremendous reporting by the post. thank you for coming on and sharing what you learned. thank you for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." my friend jeff bennett takes over right now. it is great to be with you. i'm jeff bennett. first came the revelations. is today the start of the reckoning for facebook? something you don't see every day bipartisan frustration on capitol hill. as a former facebook data scientist stunned lawmakers with accusations and documentary
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proof of the company's alleged knowledge of the harm its social media platforms are doing to teens and to our society as a whole. francis hogan secretly copied tens of thousands of papers of facebook research before leaving her job in facebook's civic integrity unit and blowing the whistle to the feds. today she took her case directly to congress, and her testimony is potentially damning. >> facebook wants you to believe that the problems we're talking about are unsolvable. they want you to believe in false choices. they want you to believe you must choose between a facebook full of divisive and extreme content or losing one of the most important values our country was founded on: free speech. that you must choose between public oversight of facebook's choices and your personal privacy, that to be able to share fun photos of your kids with old friends, you must also be inundated with anger-driven
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verality. they want you to believe this is today. i'm here to tell you that's not true. these issues are solvable. a more respectful social media is possible. >> facebook's own research shows that it amplifies hate and misinformation. the company knows it amplifies political unrest but hides that fact, instead choosing to put profit over public good. she also alleges that internal research shows that facebook-owned instagram can lead to mental health and body image problems, especially among young girls. today's testimony comes a day after yesterday's hours-long global outage for facebook and other platforms, including instagram and whatsapp. you can imagine there's been a lot of speculation about the timing of those outages. the company says it's still working to fully understand the cause, but there is still no
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evidence that user data was compromised as a result. starting us off this hour, our nbc news correspondent jake ward from california, the headquarters of facebook. facebook advisor, roger mcnamee and katie harbeck. she ran the team on how to use facebook for their needs. roger, we'll start with you. as we do know, facebook has been a punching bag for years, but what was interesting was the witness with her candid testimony, and two, the substance. this went from saying facebook is bad and explaining how facebook and instagram can be addictive and harmful to children and can really undermine our democracy. roger, is this an inflection point? >> the thing about francis haugen is she is so courageous,
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so ah authoritative, and i found her utterly convincing. i thought her testimony today was extraordinary. in my mind what she has essentially done is
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-- mortgage loans or policing. i think when we're looking at it, we need to think about safety for all technology. i do think the motion that likes the fda that certifies products every year is actually a really good idea with harsh penalties if it turns out you're not safe. i think we also need to look at the business model. if facebook is perfectly clear, the notion here is that you're converting people's lives into
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data, collecting all the data they need out in the world and using that to forecast their behavior and to manipulate. the key problem here is we're talking about people's health information, whether they do a medical prescription or a medical test. we're talking about location, we're talking about financial things, we're talking about the web browsing history, their app usage. these are things that are so intimate, there should be no third party use of that at all. you know, marketers are going to squawk, as they should. but i do think the public interests will be served there. lastly, we need to think about competition. i would focus here on updating the antitrust laws. if we've learned anything, it's that every company in the economy is jealous of facebook. they're jealous of google. they want to imitate it. so you're seeing bmws that have alexa built in. you're seeing amazon flying around recording everything. so this problem is pervasive and we need to think about
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concentrated economic power differently than we have for the last 40 years, and i think that will be really good for the country. but this debate has to start today, and i think francis haugen has given us exactly what we needed. again, facebook is trying to undercut her credibility, but those documents weren't created by her, they were created by the authorities within facebook. that is why it is so damning. >> jake, i want to take it back dow because i didn't know until roger said it that you're working on a book about artificial intelligence. i think one of the striking exchanges came during an exchange of senator mike lee of utah and haugen about facebook's reliance on artificial intelligence in order to get to scale. he showed these advertisements that were targeted toward children, targeted toward kids, and her response was given facebook's overreliance on ai, artificial intelligence, it's very possible, most likely, that no human ever saw those ads before they were approved and
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before some kid saw it on an iphone somewhere. >> you're absolutely right. i appreciate you mentioning the book. that is right, and it did jump out at me in ms. haugen's testimony when she said at facebook we do things on the largest possible scale. it allows pattern recognition software to do work that you could never afford to pay an army of humans to do. one of those things is, facebook argued, we do it to spike content, make sure we don't put bad ads up you wouldn't want to have around kids, those kinds of things. but haugen said artificial intelligence isn't enough. we as a society are being led to believe that artificial intelligence can solve enormous problems to scale. but she argues, and it's argued in this book, if anything, it is
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today president biden is taking the pressure campaign for his domestic agenda on the road. he just landed in michigan. you see him there, where he will sell both the bipartisan infrastructure and the sweeping social spending overhaul. in a speech next hour, democrats remain with the size and scope of that package. he told progressives he thinks he can get senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema to spend around $2 trillion. manchin was asked what he would cut to get to that number. >> that's all about negotiations. you can't begin negotiating here. >> how about a decision by the end of month?
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>> there is no time limit. the only thing that comes at the end of the year is the child tax credit. but everything else is covered to 2022, even 2023. we can get something into it right. >> senator sinema declined to answer questions with an aide directing them to call the senator's office. we have mike memoli who is traveling with the president in michigan, and the aide for sotomayor. this is not a game, folks. but most regular americans haven't heard the speech, so it's important for the white house to get the message out there about what's in the bill. talk about not the process but the substance.
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>> reporter: no malarkey, jeff. you're going to hear about leveling the playing field to give democrats a fair shot. we've heard white house officials and the president himself talk a lot about how they think there's been too much focus on the process revoling around these two big pieces of legislation and not enough about the substance. wherever the president went in the country today it was going to be a shift in terms of the framing as he tries to build momentum behind both. there's something worth paying attention to the location they chose to kick this off. in the midterm elections, private citizen joe biden came to this very congressional district to campaign for alicia slotkin for congress.
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mariana knows this well because she was traveling with us. the president was making what he thought was a winning argument not just for himself but for democrats up and down the ballot that what they're proposing are winners for the democrats and for winners at large. you can look at alicia slotkin, she's only a maybe on the measure. you can look at this as an effort on his part to get them to meet along party lines. they say, i'm with you to try to make this a political winner for those who are nervous about this, and this is a down payment for what is a big focus if they get this passed in midterm elections. >> mike, as you were speaking, we were watching the president shake hands with them on the
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tarmac. where are you? it looks like you're at a construction site somewhere? >> reporter: so this is a sprawling union facility here. it's actually a complex for union workers who would be put to work across the state. you can maybe hear it, if not see it behind me, some of the union workers training on the equipment they're using. it's a good visual for the president who wants to focus on the infrastructure part of the bill today. >> i'm not surprised the president would find his way to a construction site. mariana, josh gottheimer has put out his statement on infrastructure and reconciliation. he said, we must not let a faction of the far left kill an
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historic infrastructure bill. what's your take on this? >> this is what president biden and the leadership in the house and senate are trying to get an understanding of where everyone's understanding is and trying to ease any tension that exists. you mentioned josh gottheimer calling out these progressives, this far left party as ones who are really trying to hamper these negotiations. progressives themselves saying, well, it's those group of moderates who aren't necessarily coming to the table yet on trying to pass this really big economic proposal. but what we've been seeing so far is biden holding meetings with progressives virtually yesterday and also today with frontliners just like congresswoman slotkin to try and get a sense of what they want and what they need. members like slotkin are very
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different from this gottheimer group, those who are demanding and hoping the infrastructure bill passes widely. they want to make sure the bill passes, besides just getting infrastructure, these democrats who represent razor thin margins, although poorly, they want to make sure they can address lower prescription drug costs as well as the child tax credit and other provisions. so biden's main message, of course, is, remember, everyone, that we're on the same page. if you put up way too many concessions, none of us are going to get a win. >> mike memoli and mariana sotomayor. marian a used to cover the hill. the president set to speak at 3:00 eastern. we're on the ground in colombia where 20,000 migrants
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dose. now, as vaccination rates increase, cases and hospitalizations are steadily dropping across the u.s., but not everywhere. in alaska, for instance, overwhelmed hospitals are now rationing care, given a 400% spike in covid cases there, 400%. the emergency crisis protocol is in effect at 20 hospitals in the state. correspondent allison barber is in anchorage, alaska for us. >> reporter: we've heard other states talk about the idea of implementing standards of care, but alaska's covid-19 is a state actually doing it. in the massive expanse that is alaska, some of the state's biggest hospitals are reaching a breaking point. emergency rooms are overwhelmed, oxygen is being rationed, and the governor is asking for hundreds of medical workers to fly here and help. atlas -- atlas las native
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medical center, some have to wait for days for a hospital bed. >> we've run into situations where there aren't any beds if anchorage. >> reporter: at this hospital they can't let anyone inside except for very few exceptions. they're going to take us in through this video system, the same system that families use when they're talking to covid patients who they are unable to visit. as we virtually walked around the covid unit, we spoke to those on the front line, health care workers spending nearly every minute of their shifts caring for covid patients. 90% of those patients unvaccinated. >> i have seen more body bags than i'd like to see in my life. >> reporter: are you having to make life and death decisions? >> yes.
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and telling them this is your percentage of getting off a vent if you go into the icu. >> they say we could go home and die. >> reporter: it's something this woman is all too familiar with. she lost her husband to covid-19 and her cousin this week. >> i'm so sick of the dying. we lost five family members last year altogether. i'm just tired. >> reporter: in the past two weeks, this state has seen the highest rise of covid cases in the country. right now a little over 60% of alaskans are fully vaccinated, but what's driving this spike and why now? health officials we talked to said it is a combination of factors. they say there is this highly contagious delta variant. on top of that, vaccination rates have really started to plateau and become stagnant. in the middle of cases rising, you have big population centers like anchorage choosing not to
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implement any prevention efforts like a mask mandate. with us now is dr. ann zinc, chief medical officer at this alaska hospital. you went in to help people and now you're making life and death decisions based on available resources. what does that feel like? >> thanks for having me. i do wish it was under different circumstances. alaska has very limited health capacity. we have had limited health care capacity and i think it's really hard to triage patients knowing you have the ability other times to be able to provide care, and now we don't have that ability. the amazing thing you see is health care providers finding amazing ways to come together. the emergency departments are open. we are just incredibly stressed
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and incrediby strained, and that's why we're asking alaskans to mask up and to get vaccinated. we need everybody to be able to respond to this pandemic because we as alaskans need to work together right now. >> as i understand, it's 60% of alaskans that are vaccinated against the virus. what is the state doing to boost those numbers, and have you given any consideration to mandates like we've seen in new york and california? >> alaska was the most vaccinated state in the country for quite some time, really because of our tribal partners being able to get it out to every corner in the state. unfortunately we've seen misinformation really take over and consistently see alaskans as well as other people in other parts of the country underestimate the risk of covid and overestimate the risk of the vaccine. covid-19 vaccines are incredibly
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safe. we've seen the vast majority, greater than 80% of everyone in the hospital that are there because of covid-19, are unvaccinated individuals. we continue to do everything we can to share the message about the safety and efficacy of vaccines to overcome the tremendous misinformation out there to make it as easily accessible. i think at the end of the day, we need to remember that people aren't getting vaccinated because they're making the best decisions they can with a limited amount of misinformation. we're making sure everyone has the truthful and accurate information about vaccines. they can continue to protect themselves and others. >> in the meantime, how much longer do you think you'll have to continue rationing care across the state there? >> i was pushing back on the term rational care because it
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makes me think we have care we're unable to provide. we don't have people, we don't have staff. we're having to triage the cases we're getting. this is common in emergency in general, it's just to a much greater degree than ever before. i think we'll continue to have to triage for some time. we see with our neighbors to the south, other states that were hit hard, that this can last months because often people are hospitalized for covid-19 for months longer. our hospital capacity will continue to be very strained for months longer even as our cases come down. we're working with these contracts and doing all we can to make sure every alaskan is able to get care. but i think we'll have a continual trained system for many months built on top of an already strained system in
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alaska where they have to travel 600 miles to access care. we don't have dialysis at most of these hospitals. >> doctor, i hope everything turns around for you in the state of alaska. thank you for being with us. next we'll go live to colombia where thousands of people have become beach bums in their dangerous journey to the u.s. a major oil spill on california's coast and the damage that has already been done. already been done
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struck an offshore pipeline, sending an estimated 140,000 gallons of crude oil into the pacific. miles of oceanfront remain closed this hour, and globs of oil have already washed up on shore. officials say the focus now is to prevent an ecological disaster, a longlasting one. but the effects are already being felt while the first animals are arriving at wildlife centers with oil exposure and poisoning. we have myoka shicasta at the center of biological diversity. myoka, we'll start with you. give us a sense of where things are this hour. >> reporter: authorities have to pinpoint the exact timing of the leak. in terms of what we know according to public records, state and federal officials
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became aware of a potential oil spill three miles off the coast of huntington beach around 6:00 p.m. on friday evening, and yet amplify, the texas-based company responsible for the company did not know of an oil leak until saturday morning. amplify alerting the public saturday morning via a tweet. that was an hour and a half after the mayor of newport said he had sailed through the oil spill and thousands of people were already on the beaches and in the waters enjoying an air show. now, while the timing of all of that is in question, amplify is saying it's doing everything possible to ascertain the source of the leak. they said they have a site of interest. they have yet to confirm that.
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they're sending divers down to precisely pinpoint where the leak is. but that also coming under criticism, saying that amplify is basically able to investigate themselves. take a listen. >> the company should not be responsible for leading its own investigation with respect to the hundreds of millions of dollars of devastation that it did to our environment and our economy. we are going to feel the impacts of this oil spill for generations. >> reporter: now the efforts to stop the spread of the oil spill continue. officials say it's sliding further and further south, today announcing the closure of dana point harbor. they say that so far they have collected over 3,000 gallons of oily water. but to put that in perspective, the maximum amount of this leak is now estimated to be 144,000
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gallons. jeff? >> myoko, it was mentioned the cleanup effort is ongoing. you have workers doing their thing around the clock right now. can you really clean up after a major oil spill like this? is the damage already done? >> this oil spill is just heart breaking, and now it's impossible to really clean up an oil spill. as you heard, the size of the spill, 144,000 gallons of oil, is just dissipating out through the ocean and it's coating our beaches all along orange county. it's just such a horrible reminder of how dirty and dangerous oil drilling can be and what a heavy toll this can be and how fisheries are dealing
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with this. >> this area is home to about 900 bird species. what would the loss of that marsh and other affected marshes mean in a real way? >> looking at that marsh it's really heavily saturated with oil at this point. it's an ecological reserve really close to huntington beach, home to dozens of different bird species. the birds use that on thir migratory pathways, going to southern california and mexico. this includes endangered snowy egrets. they just last year had successful nesting and really been able to use this calvert marsh area but absent from the
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area the last five decades, so you can imagine the impact of this spill on those threatened birds is very detrimental, and it takes decades for a wetland to recover from an oil spill. it's really sad what we're seeing. oil really harms birds, fish, dolphins and whales. a lot of the animals are out there swimming through this oily, toxic muck right now, and it can get in their lungs and cause contamination and harm. right now there is supposed to be a very high presence of whales on the southern california coast, so we have incredible concern about that. >> it's a cascading ecological crisis there. just devastating stuff. miyoka saclosta and erin mclaughlin, thank you to you both. a senior advisor is stepping down after the continued use of what's known as title 42. it's a trump era law to keep
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migrants from entering the u.s. he called the law illegal and humane, especially as it applies to haitian refugees. more than 7,000 haitian nationals have been sent back to the impoverished nation so far. that's according to the organization for migration. meanwhile migration officials are closely monitoring another log jam in south america. nearly 20,000 haitian, cuban and venezuelan migrants have crowd sbud a haitian beach town. joining us now from colombia is nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez. gabe, walk us through what you're seeing and what's causing this bottleneck at that resort town where you are. >> reporter: hey there, jeff. this used to be a beach. as you can see behind me, it is now essentially a migrant tent camp. there is some 20,000 migrants in
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this town in colombia. if you walk with me a little bit, this camp extends pretty far. earlier today we were at a ferry dock where hundreds of migrants each day are taken in by panama. they load onto these boats, they then head over the water, and they head across the bay into the colombia-panama border, which as you mentioned, that's where the lawless jungle is where these migrants essentially must cross. they do so knowing that it will be a dangerous journey. now, we've been speaking with some of the migrants here, and what they've been telling us is that some of them have come following the recent earthquake in haiti. some were actually living in chile, as we reported. they lived there for several years after the major quake a decade ago. but they are now deciding to make this trek. and the reason they're doing it,
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one, economic conditions have worsened in chile during the pandemic, and then also there is a belief among some migrants here that they might be allowed to stay in the u.s. you mentioned there are thousands of haitians that were deported that wanted to go to texas, but among some of the migrants here, fueled in part by what smugglers tell them, they feel if they go to the u.s., to the border, they might be able to stay. some have relatives who say it's not that simple, but for them, the sense of desperation is overwhelming. 500 or so migrants are allowed into panama every day, but more than 1,000 are arriving in this town in colombia each day, contributing to the bottleneck here. local officials are struggling to figure out what to do with these migrants. panamanian officials are struggling to figure out the same thing. and as you mentioned, geoff, u.s. officials are monitoring this closely. homeland security officials believe that it could be up to 400,000 migrants trying to cross
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things i have only played as an actor i'm going to see first-hand. >> at the age of 90, shatner will be the oldest person ever to make the trip into space. nbc news correspondent kerry sanders has more. >> stargate 10042021. a real-life mission to space. that is about to bring forward at warp speed what began in 1966. >> space, the final frontier. >> blue origin announced the captain of the starship enterprise, james t. kirk, will blast into space next week from texas. >> the actor who played captain kirk, william shatner, in a tweet, shatner writing, yes, it's true. i'm going to be a rocket man. the actor turned civilian astronaut will be making history as the oldest person to fly to space. a record that was recently set by 82-year-old wally funk.
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