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trump rioter, as it enablers escape consequence. tonight congressman jamie raskin, on a big week for the january six investigation. and the magma roll rehabilitation tour. >> you're not working for darth vader, but yours storm trooper. then specific damning allegations from a facebook whistle blower. who says the company is ripping america apart, and they can't stop themselves. >> i don't trust that they are willing to actually invest wood needs to be invested to keep facebook from being dangerous. >> the absolute insanity of ongoing covid us around the country's health care workers face violent threats for trying to save lives. when all in starts right. now good evening from new york i'm chris hayes. federal judges have gotten increasingly fed up with the life sentences that department and justices have been recommending for the people who engaged in this seditious storming of the capital, to
violently overthrow the government on january six. there's been a whole bunch of judges hand wringing over this, and then today, for the very first time, a judge handed down a harsher sentence than what the government was asking for. sentencing one rioter to 45 days in prison, and saying quote, there have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the governments, beyond sitting at home. the government had asked for home confinement. there have to be consequences, beyond sitting at home. it's true. it's such a simple obvious truth, but too many have lost sight of. i mean, january six was the most direct threat to american democracy, since fort sumter during the civil war. it's like a lot of people to make it happen. most of those people just went back in a normal life with zero consequences. from the rioters on up. obviously, the now disgraced
former president who led the rioters was impeached. but republicans did have an opportunity to give those consequences the judge talked about, concrete consequences and simply make it so he could never run for hold office in america again. it's in the constitution. it would've been a frankly lenient treatment for his behavior, it was the bare minimum they could've done, but no. senate leader mitch mcconnell, and the overwhelming majority of the rest of his party chose not to do it. and so that man is likely going to take another run at it. but it's more than just him. so far more than 600 people who, participated in the january 6th attack have been arrested. we've been tracking these cases as they go through the courts. and a lot of them are going through some process of real accountability. some are facing serious prison time, depending on what exactly they did. the ones who seriously engaged in violence, many have been in jail this entire time. but the political structure, that stoked the attack, really has escaped any real
consequences. here's one example. former trump advisor steve bannon, he was as you recall, facing schedule charges for defrauding trump supporters, and then was pardoned by trump at the last possible second. get out of jail free card, and he's now helping to train appointees for the next republican administration, telling nbc news quo, if you're going to take over the administrative street in deconstruct, it you have to have shocked troops ready to take it over immediately. i gave them fire and brimstone. let's be, clear this is a large part, the chesky braggadocious of honestly a pretty pathetic figure. but, we also i happened last time in january. and then there are the republican politicians who voted with the mob. again, where the consequences. there have to be consequences. those folks, who voted with the mob, their betrayal of democracy was even more insidious than the rioters. because while the people attacking the capitol were violent and disruptive, once they were cleared, every member
of congress sworn to uphold the constitution, went back in there, having seen with the mob wanted and what they were willing to do to get it. and every member had the option to preserve and uphold democracy, and yet still a majority of republicans voted -- that vote itself, is an egregious assault on american drama chrissy. as egregious as the actual attack. and it's been totally whitewashed. again, there have to be consequences. and where are they? all of these people are still members of places society in good standing. some continue to cultivate a stick dishes faction that stokes the big, lie there is fraud in the election. others have just moved on from that, i have no actual consequences. again, remember, the majority of the republican caucus, voted to overturn the election. even a brand-new congresswoman, michelle fischbacher, from a swing district in minnesota, that she just won from a democrat, decided to vote to disenfranchise her own voters on her third day in office.
a truly stunning middle finger, to throw up at your constituents. but there have been no consequences for her. she's just chill and. true for people like senator josh hawley, seen here given the rioters are proud salute this morning. true for senator tankers, and for rick scott, who's escaped opprobrium, and should not. they all voted to overturn the election. in some ways sky is the worst because he's now the chairman of the national republican senatorial committee. he's in charge of running the midterm campaign, having voted in the last election, to disenfranchise the majority of americans, and hand the election to the loser over the winter, and end two centuries plus, of american democracy. that guy, running the midterms. and now is just what is, ease just another senator complaining about inflation. as if he did nothing to undermine american democracy. to end it in fact. now remember, when all of this
happened, there were some calls for those senators to resign. calls for their expulsion even. and that sounds like a traumatic thing to do, but i don't think it's that crazy considering the offense. short of that, there could've been officials censure, they could've been voted to censure them. what they all did was an egregious defense against the constitution of the -- as egregious as one can be contemplated and yet nothing. there have to be consequences. and then there's all the people who were part of trump's orbit who brought us to the precipice. who are again just out the world doing things, like working for you in think tanks. or trying to a lunch immediate career, like for instance former white house communications director, alyssa farah. like many in the world of conservatism, particularly conservative media. she's a legacy case. her daddy is the founder of the right wing conspiracy or website, world wing that daily. jokingly referred to back in the day we as the world that daily. she was part of the fast right wing conspiracy that tried to
bring down the clintons. and to be fair, you cannot hold or against. or she's an adult. interim thing. though she did right for the same as recently as 2014. but after two years, as mike pence's press secretary, any year the pentagon, she became the white house communications director, which is a big deal. and she held that job during what was the deadliest year in american history up to that point. you remember that, year we all watched as the president stoked misinformation in fear, and talked about injecting bleach, in turn american against each. other and rooted on people who are threatening the governor, michigan filled as the virus is going away, and misled us about the, number's and enough testing. and then turn his attention to the big lie, begin stoking it as tens of thousand people kept dying. she was in charge of messaging for the white house, that whole time, that was her job. and that's where she was doing. she finally decided to exit on december 3rd, when she apparently had enough. that was well after trump had lost the election. after months and months of selling poison, to americans
about how the election was rigged. and quite amazingly, on january 7th she did an interview with political, part of an effort to start helping her image. she told the paper she stepped down because she saw where this was heading. in december. in the interview she also aligned herself with senator cruz is questioning the results, saying, i actually subscribe to the ted cruz school of thought on, this his position is fundamentally that 74 million people voted for the president, and as many as 50% of them believe the election is rigged. we should go through the exercise to the full extent we can, having a process it's open and transparent, to show that these results are accurate. >> that's basically the laundered version of the big lie. now here she is today, an abc's the view, clearly trying to make or run of being a conservative talking. head to your credit. that shows host, as skeptical questions and pressed, her but ultimately her message, was trump was bad, but i still agree with him on a lot of things, i'm here to give you a fresh face vision of trumpism,
with a slightly lower percentage of sedition. >> you know who this person is. he's the person who is grabbed by the you know why. and you're working for him. >> i didn't have any illusions about who the president was. i will say, this i believe strongly in his economic agenda. i believed in his national security gender. i believe now, under biden, we're seeing the challenges of not having a strong national defense. >> we'll enter the talking about? tens of thousands of americans died in the plague, while you are doing what in the white house exactly. and the president was telling us to inject bleach. fair is very careful to work up herself, to both sides of the political spectrum, that's because the insurrectionists re-faction republican party, they're actively planning to run a repeat of their election challenges. they face no accountability, and they are depending in some ways on this social marks being that everyone pretends to, forget or actually forgets what
they did. so there she is, trying to sort of softly whitewash what happened, trying to separate herself from donald trump, even though she spent three and a half years working for him. she quit in december 3rd. now, i continue to think there should be federal criminal and best to geisha in, i don't think that's happening. it's not clear. but it does not appear to be happening. there's an actual criminal investigation in georgia, into trump's plea in attempt to solicit fraud in the secretary of state. short of, that seems the locust of accountability is on the january six commission. all those players and actors who participated to overthrow democracy, and before that to bring us to the crisis, point the only sanction they now face, is a subpoena power and investigatory potency of the january six committee. that committee, i'm happy to say, happen to be flexing their muscles, ominous they've held their first closed-door
transcribed interviews with willing witnesses, and congressman jamie raskin, of maryland, who led the second impeachment of donald trump. sits on the commission. and he joins me now. congressman raskin, it's good to, have you what can you tell us about the first rounds of interviews that are happening? >> well, i can tell you that there are voluntary witnesses or are coming, and who are cooperating. who want to describe the whole sequence of events, that led both to the inside political coup, against the vice president and the congress, waged by the president, and also, the parallel insurrection, which enveloped in surrounded the coup, and tried to aid that process of coercing the vice president to reject electoral college votes, for the first time in american history. two to declare a power that's not in the constitution. and that's what led to him being chased out of the body. and people yelling hang mike pence. and so on. and the problem with the word coup, is people think a coup is
something that takes place against a president, this was a coup waged by the president, against the vice president, and against the congress. >> you gotta work every day, in the united states capitol. you guys have a lot stuff today. i'm sitting here talking to you in early october, months after this happened, the roof of the word news is, new we report on new things that's happened. it continues to be the case to be, what happened then is the most like gaping wound in the american body politic. it has not been sutured. up has not been treated tour attended to. and yet, you work next to these people. i do feel the power of inertia, that everyone sort of forgetting at happening and getting back to business. >> well, business for them of course, is a very simple agenda. the republican party had no program adopted in its convention in 2020. for the first time in modern political history there's, never been a major party without a political program or
platform. it's very clear with their agenda is. voter suppression, use of the filibuster tooth were all progress, and then packing the courts with right-wing judges and justices, to cement this whole system. there's a very troubling situation, because the vast majority of american people reject trump, trumpism, violent insurrection in all of the big lies, and everything from climate change to covid-19, to the election on january six. and yet they manipulates so many of the key levers of political power in the country. the consequences though have been largely absent. there has been no sanction. they are sanction again. the 600 people that have been a red stud, the folks that actually won in there. the president was impeached. which is definitely not nothing. it was the most bipartisan impeachment, which is also not. nothing but as far as i can tell, again, the really hasn't been sufficient, to my mind or accountability. it is basically your committee is left with that job. even though you're really a
fact finding investigatory committee, how do you understand the door rules in that respect? >> well, we are primarily in fact finding the investigation committee, which is going to reverse the report that i trust and hope would change american history because they would basically present the american people, this whole sequence of shocking events. and lay out the case for defending democracy against dictatorship and autocracy. because all over the world, the dictators and the autographs, the putin's, and the she's, and the due to tears, and the war fans are simply saying, democracy doesn't work. we can't get it together. we cannot move quickly enough. and you need authoritarian regimes. and you need authoritarian rules. so we are going to lay out a very strong case for democracy, what we need to do to prepare our democracy. so we are not vulnerable to fascist violence in the future. >> the subpoenas that have been issued so far,'s there are some talks about invitations for the
privilege. noncooperation. court appeals. what is the status thus far of the subpoenas that have been issued? >> on thursday, i think all of the documents are dude in. we have subpoenaed a whole bunch of documents relating to everything connected to january six and the coup. and the insurrection, and there is another week within which we are ranging for interviews and depositions against people who have been called forward. so, you know, we don't do this in any sense of discretionary or optimal, people used to understand that when you get a subpoena from the united states congress, used nap to and fifth amendment privege, or some other privege that you ncur tion thin. we havehe m cesses and p
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legislative drama in the halls of congress. house progressives have just pulled off something, incredible. indeed unprecedented in the 15 years that have covered congress. they held the line, and it worked. progressives stopped up infrastructure framework from passing by itself. and they also accelerated negotiation in the senate, for president biden's full build back better agenda. including childcare, elder care, paid family leave, for the only country in the entire western world who doesn't have a, cheaper health care, and big climate investments. the theory of the case from the progress is all a long, and that jayapal had all along. is that the people who want to kill off the full biden agenda, with all the things i just named, they are the same people who want most to pass the bipartisan bill, so that they can declare victory. say look we did something. then walk away and do nothing more.
and i have to say, the reaction to what progressives have done in delaying the pass of that bill, kind of shows that they were totally right. for instance, one of the leaders of the u.s. chamber of congress -- commerce, said the bill should've been passed two years ago, and was angry about the delay, but of course the chamber wants to kill the biden agenda. moderate democratic congresswoman got thing timer, said the field to bring the bill forward was regrettable, i -- echoed that calling it inexcusable. the big takeaway is that progressives reject the -- big question now is what happens next? >> congressman of south carolina, and the third ranking democrat in the house and he joins me now. congressman when we first start with just some news we just got, which indicates that there are meetings happening right now between white house officials, speaker of the house nancy pelosi, and senate majority leader chuck schumer about
hammering this all up. what is your understanding of what these talks are, and where we are at? >> thank you very much for having me chris. [inaudible] i will be talking about -- and i suspect i will find out then what they are talking about, would i do know is that they seem very focus on passing both of these bills. it has been that they from day one. they got to push back, to make comments when the first bill, the bipartisan bill passed the senate. it was sent to the house, he said at the time that it is not going to move. that the bill won't move until the time [inaudible] he said it way back then. he never waved it from that. [inaudible]
and that is where we are today. waiting for us to get an agreement on the build back better plan, and then moving forward these bills in concert. and that is what i think people will do. >> there is of course the climate aspect in this legislation which is, you know, particularly a focusing concern for a lot of folks. particularly because the last time around there was democratic unifying government. ten years ago that climate marked was ultimately killed by the senate, they were not sufficient votes. the climate reporter today made this point, that i thought was really important that focusing on the three and a half trillion misses the economic context of climate change. that the current trajectory has been looking to spend 4% of gdp, or about hundred and 40 a year just on climate issues. we just on the additional cost caused by climate change. do you feel like the party has
explain to people how -- how much of an insurance policy this is? >> i don't think we have broken through on that. i do know that we are quite aware. aware for the fact that the [inaudible] storms are arranging, rivers are rising, and we have to do something to perfect the future of this planet. and that is why we are making this investment. so i think that if we might be able to do a my better job of giving people to understand what we are doing. because we are going to have more storms. what we are seeing happening in the gulf now, we have never seen that happen before. before one storm gets to its destination, to others are forming. so all of that is a result of the change taken place in our
climate. in south carolina, i'd be sauced in this weekend, and people are concerned that the rivers are rising. and we want to do something to stop that so that we can get climate conditions under control. >> you have served in congress for decades, you have been in leadership for quite awhile. you have been through a bunch of legislative fights. brutal ones amidst covid, amidst the after matt of a great financial crisis. where does the difficulty of this current one rank, 1 to 10? ten being the hardest. one being like an easy thing. unanimous bill that everyone vote. for where do you put it? >> ten plus. >> oh really? this is very hard, even compared with the one that i think is very hard is the aca after scott brown got elected. and had to go past that senate bill, which was a really hard.
one harder than that? >> yes. separately because, we knew then how hard it was, we knew what we were battling against. we knew exactly what we needed to do in order to get people into a good place. and we got there. this time so much misinformation is going out. and people are really reacting to stuff that makes no sense. covid-19 is real. and why people are not [inaudible] is a problem for me. i can't understand. that we are not going to get our economy to wear needs to be until we get this pandemic under control. and aside from all of that, there are people who deny science. climate is all about signs. and so when you have these kind of denials, it makes it tough. and so this has been
[inaudible] >> ten plus, congressman james e. clyburn, >> coming up if there was one good news coming up for today, is that during facebook five hour long outage no one on facebook could read your comments on the damning tell our facebook whistle blower story. we will talk about it all with the former facebook executive next.
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services, including instagram and whatsapp went down today. shortly before noon eastern time. the outage lasted more than five hours affecting billions of users worldwide. facebook staffers said their own internal systems were broken, they were operating off the same technology and same service, or one employee telling ear times they were not even able to enter buildings this morning, to begin to evaluate the extent of the outage. because their badges were not working to access doors. as a result, facebook's stock
price tumbled, falling nearly 5% by the time markets, close knocking ceo mark succor bergh's personal wealth down by more than six billion dollars, in a matter of hours. that's all paper wealth. the cause of the outage remains a bit unclear, coincidently it comes the day after a facebook whistle blower revealed her identity, to the wall street journal and 16 minutes. francis haugen, a 37 year old former product manager, who worked on misinformation, or misinformation on facebook. in the run up to the 2020 election, copied thousands of pages of internal documents, before leaving facebook earlier this year. those form the basis for the complaint she filed last month with the securities and exchange commission. claiming the tech giant hides would its own research says, that the platform ample fights hate, misinformation, and political unrest. >> to quote from another one of the documents you brought out, we have evidence from a variety of sources, that hate speech,
divisive political speech, and misinformation on facebook and the family of apps, are affecting societies around the world. >> when we live in an information environment that is full of angry hateful polarizing content, it erodes our civic trust, our faith in each other and inroads our ability to want to care for each other. the version of facebook that is listed today is tearing our societies apart and causing violence around the world. >> in addition she announced that the algorithm deliberately chooses divisive content to show you. because anger inspires more engagement. the document she week today show that this lead to political parties that were forced to skew negative in their communications on facebook, leading them to more extreme policy positions. another key revelation came from the company's own research an instagram showing that 13.5%
of team girls said instagram makes thoughts of suicide wears. 17% said they're disorders get worse. holding social media companies accountable for what they do to kids, with the subject of a senate hearing last week, chaired by democrat richard blumenthal of connecticut. as senator blumenthal told me when we had a, mine his subcommittee is holding another hearing tomorrow, where? this facebook whistleblower will testify. carol, a reporter at the guardian, is a finalist for the pulitzer prize in 2019, and she will work on the former work on the analytical scandal. also the cofounder of the rear facebook oversight board, an independent watchdog group. and katy's spent ten years at facebook's director of public policy, she left the company earlier this year, and is now an elections fellow at the bipartisan policy center. thank you, it's great to have you. carol, let me start with you. the resident --
are not shocking. they're not surprising. they're kind of shocking morally, but to me more than anything they're confirmation about what we always suspected. how do you see these documents? >> i think you're exactly right, we can't be shocked by the contents, we've been talking about this for years now. but nonetheless, i think having somebody who's come from within the belly of the beast, who was right there in the civic integrity team, who can come forward and explains in a very human way, with these problems are. and who's also got this wealth of evidence. i think it was an eight sec filings that she's managed. she's been given evidence to five state attorney generals. i think you cannot downplay, the amount of material that she's bringing forth, and potentially, very serious actions and consequences, as results of this potentially.
can you worked there for years. and you've left. for someone who's did work there and was part of the sigurd of integrity unit or task force, it is this jive with your experience? there and how you think about what the company does? and what it may be could do better? >> an absolutely jives in terms of the fact that the members of the civic integrity, team those that are there and those that have left, have a deep commitment to try to figure out the best ways to make the platforms better for society. and better for democracy. and they feel so passionate about it that many are still there trying to make it better. and others feel that there needs to be more conversation now in the open, about these types of issues, in the things that facebook is seeing. what this is showing, is sort of the hard trade-offs, that we oftentimes debated within the company, that are now starting to spill open into the public. >> we had the outage today, and there is a lot of, joking a lot of this joking about when they be better if it never came
back. and then there were people saying actually, throughout the world particularly in the global south, whatsapp is the major means that people used to interact with each, other it's it's unregulated utility. we talk about instagram and facebook, list but whatsapp to the cypress second it's a little different. i can't decide is facebook like automobiles, in which that they are incredibly used will, and they're incredible machines and also done dangerous if not regulated. or is it like cigarettes where there's actually nothing redeeming about? it if tobacco in a way tomorrow no would be worse or wiser, today in the outage i was sort of pondering, this would do you think? >> i think as you say, for large parts of the world actually, it's the internet, and it's really easy to forget. that in places we know like the philippines, where there's been devastating impacts on their elections, of course we know about since she was in charge of the platform app at that time. the population, they access the internet, so so many of them --
that is the way that they sort of see the world. i think it makes a difference. for us yes, it was great today was an. it's i think a lot of people discovered that actually, that it may be something that they could do without in their lives. and i don't know maybe there will be a long term behavior change because of that, i guess we just have to see. >> katie, how known. i mean we talked about the sort of key pain points, this sort of outreach to children, this toxic effect and civic discourse. or a political polarization and extremism. how president and aware is that in the minds of the people working inside the company? >> i think it's very present. it's one of the things that frankly kept me up at night, and continues to keep me up at night. it's the amount of work that we needed to continue to do. and there are a lot of many great people that were trying to figure out the right
solutions to this. clearly, there is a lot more to, do clearly there are decisions that were made, that in hindsight, should have been absolutely done differently. and i think, though at the same time, we shouldn't expect facebook to make these decisions on their own, and i do you think that it is good that we had as a society, are out there debating all of these in the open, to figure out what the new norms and regulation another guardrail should be. >> carol, go ahead. >> i think one of the things we're forgetting here, is that some things can be fixed with money, and that i think is what's articulated so clearly, she was in with six people dealing with counter espionage. she said that's just not possible. you cannot deal with the words counter espionage, on facebook. with six people. i think in your team, i just read your linkedin page, there
were 30 people, who were in charge of elections globally. now living in a country where we had an election, which was decided on facebook, in a deluge of misinformation, which is now being deleted from the internet, so we can't study, it's not there for archives. for academics to, study this is a massive problem, and frankly, facebook just took a tiny little bit less profit, and employed a tiny few more people, in key roles, we could solve a lot of these problems overnights. and i look particularly at your content moderators who are employed on these contracts. they're not government employees. they do awful work for very very low pay, mine just pay them some more money. have some more of them. give them proper jobs. train them properly. this is not rocket science. it's just money. >> that's a great point. money cannot solve all things,
over 215 million americans have now had at least one dose of the covid vaccine. that is at least 330 million people. there are still large packets of this country that are mostly unvaccinated. think about this fires is like water finding the cracked in your foundation. it will find those vulnerable spots. look at alaska, and idaho for example. both states lag behind the rest of the country when it comes to getting the eligible population vaccinated. both states are facing down a pretty devastating fight against the virus. idaho now in the depths of its fifth covid surge, states authorize hospitals to
rationalize care, -- many of them are younger than in previous waves. and nearly all are unvaccinated. situation so bad that the morgues are now running out of space. we've heard that before. and alaska the state is now experiencing its worst covid spike to date. it is now authorized hospitals to rationalize care. new york times says help lines look like that right now. there was one bed coming available in the intensive care. doctors now have to make a choice to make several more patients at the hospital most of them with covid-19, were in line to take that less icu spot. but there was also someone from one of the states isolated rural communities who flown in from emergency surgery, so who should get the final? bed >> one doctor gathered with his colleagues for an agonizing discussion they had a better chance of saving one of the patients in the emergency room, they determine. the other person would have to win. that patient died. >> it shouldn't be happening. we should not be seeing this
play out all over again. now every american has access to safe and lifesaving vaccines. but we are and primarily one reason. conservative politicians there out lies, and white ring medias, see anti-vaccine skepticism as a useful political tool. or a useful marketing tool. a way to secure voters and viewers. they are whipping their supporters into a frenzy. resisting the vaccine, or vaccine requirements. ignoring the reality of the pandemic. and becoming so openly hostile -- towards the health care system that some nurses are now carrying panic buttons, after incidents of patients attacking people in one missouri hospital. tripled between 2019 and 2020. it is still the case vaccines are the way out of. this we are seeing results unfold right before our eyes, with countries with high uptake. this tale of two americans are also entirely voluntary. the right wing ecosystem should stop cynically playing, with people's lives.
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mandating kids 12 to 17, get a vaccine to go in to the school rooms after on january. are you going to mandated for school kids as well? >> no chance. >> why? . >> you mandate, we looked, measles, mumps, polio, other vaccines, why want to put covid on that list? >> now margaret, you don't have to come in so hot. you guys asked me to come. but margaret, the bottom line is that i truly believe that the mandates only divide isn't only dividers role. >> west virginia republican governor, made the case that he will not be mandating vaccines in a state. i should tell you, jim has been one of the republican governors who is quite strong in encouraging people to get vaccinated. he's been very encouraging. he has not been pushing it. he's actually done it. even offered $100 for west virginia 16 to 75, to get
vaccinated. but no mandates. and the thing is you can see the need for such a mandate in the numbers. his state has the lowest vaccination rate in the share eligible population receiving the vaccine. according to the cdc. the state's own data shows the biggest lag is with 12:15 year old, you see that right there at the top. only 30% are fully vaccinated. the justice is still refusing to added to school age kids vaccine requirements. that's despite the fact that we are starting to see mandates across all ages really work. new york city mandated vaccines for public school employees, now 95% of all school time employees who have received at least one dose. after california's vaccine mandate for hospital workers when it to effect last week, major health systems reported that the mandate had help booster vaccines to 90% or higher. in connecticut, we saw uptake in cases in july, governor ordered all state employees, and's death of child care
employees to be vaccinated. saying he will deploy the national guard to deploy any short -- democrat of connecticut joins me now. governor it's good to have you. take me through what's the requirements in your state are. where our police is where you are requiring the vaccine, and was the result of those policies have been? >> good evening chris, i'll tell you that through encouragement and send him we got about 80% of our adult vaccinated. we've got the overwhelming majority of our nurses and teachers vaccinated. but that wasn't good enough. so we put in place mandates. that means that all teachers must be vaccinated and they are all getting vaccinated. all health care workers must be vaccinated. all state employees as of midnight tonight, must be vaccinated or at least give us their testing of protocols on how we can keep people safe. and i would like to tell you that will over 90% of our folks are following that. >> right now if i am not
mistaking according to the cdc data, we have the most vaccinated state in the union, in terms of percentage of the eligible population. these numbers float around from 12 enough, 79.3%. what is that meant for what delta looks like. what's normal life looks like, your hospital system? as you have seen cases go up a bit. as delta hit connecticut. but what is it like for the state, for businesses, and hospitals? >> i think a lot of pride that we're getting a, right that our schools are open and they don't have to shut down for quarantine like it's happening in other states. that our hospitals have extra capacity so that we can take care of surgeries for all of our citizens. and some of the other states that are less vaccinated, they are flying their patients in the connecticut so we can provide lifesaving surgery for them as well. i know everybody is exhausted but people are staying the course a little bit longer. >> you have, there are some
requirements at college and university and so far that is another place i think a lot of folks were. you have people in dormitories. you have young people very close to each other. so far it looks like that is also a pride spot official that high levels of vaccinations have not only limited cases, but also allowed schools to lighten up on pandemic related restrictions they imposed last year. in your state. how are things in higher and in connecticut? >> right now, all of our high rating institutions, mandated vaccines for everybody. overwhelmingly people are complying with that. and they have the lowest infection rate in the state. these are young people living in congregate settings, it's working. >> you have not taken the step that california has had the first step to take, was to at the first covid vaccination to the list of required vaccinations for school and cheese. that is for kids that are 12 to
18. why not? >> right now we are using encouragement. i would say we have well over 75% of those kids vaccinated, and i am requiring the mask for everybody. ages to 12. >> so you've got 75% of the eligible population vaccinated just through -- so what is going on. there is this a reality about connecticut, about the democratic of your state, about outreach. why is this going this way in connecticut? >> chris, we got hit really hard, very early. along with new york and new jersey. i think this is a state where we look out for each other. it is not just our personal freedom, but what we can do. when it came to our high schools, when we really wanted them to be open in person, and the best advocates who are coaches, we said they are part of the teams. we want you on the field. if you have to quarantine the rest of our team cannot play. >> that is interesting, so they
have been a key aspect in this. you would imagine that that is a sort of key authority figure in a lot of places around the country that are really struggling to get their vaccination numbers up. do you think about life in connecticut going into this winter? how different do you see it being then last winter, which of course was bad across the country. but not particularly in connecticut, but like everywhere it was a tough winter. >> it was a tough winter because we felt we were getting out of the woods. a year ago summer, we opened up our schools, all of our businesses were open. but thankfully everybody wore the mask. and connecticut was one of the first to get people vaccinated. so that second wave of delta hit us a lot less severely than some other states. i think people here in connecticut feel like these protocols are working. and they are willing to hang in there a little longer to stay safe. >> but what is hanging in there longer me? >> hang in the longer means
kids in school wearing the mask. so a little bit longer. hanging in there means those who don't really want to get vaccinated, are more likely not to get vaccinated. an overwhelming majority. people looking out for each other. and i think because they see it is working. >> well we will see, your >> thanks, chris. that is "all in" for tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts now with ali velshi. good evening, ali. >> chris, we have not crossed paths in the last year and a half, so we caught up a little bit. >> nothing like a little makeup room chitchat. that's been missing from all of our lives for a long time. >> great to see you, chris. rachel's got the night off.