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ratcliffe. maybe it shouldn't come as any surprise that cruz and hawley are again showboating. it comes at a cost. you don't mess with national security. it's a lesson ted cruz and josh hawley have failed to learn in the 20 years since september 11th, and that's why they are tonight's absolute worst. and that is tonight's "reidout." "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight at "all in" a judge throws the book at a trump rioter. tonight jamie raskin on a big week for the january 6 investigation and the maga world rehabilitation tour. >> you're not working for darth vader but you're a storm trooper. >> that's actually very well said. then specific damning allegations from a facebook whistleblower who says the company is ripping america apart and they can't stop themselves. >> i don't trust that they're willing to actually invest what
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needs to be invested to keep facebook from being dangerous. and the absolute insanity of ongoing covid deaths around the country as health care workers face violent threats for trying to save lives, when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. federal judges have gotten increasingly fed up with the light sentences the department of justice, the prosecutors, have been recommending for the people who engaged in the seditious storming of the capitol to violently overthrow the government on january 6. there's been a whole bunch of judges hand wringing over this. today for the very first time, a judge handed down a harsher sentence than what the government was asking for, sentencing one rioter to 45 days in prison and saying, quote, there have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government beyond sitting at
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home. the government had asked for home confinement. there have to be consequences beyond sitting at home. it's true. just a simple obvious truth that too many have lost sight of. january 6th was the most direct threat to american democracy since ft. sumpter during the civil war. it took a lot of people to make it happen. most of those people have just gone back into normal life with zero consequences, from the rioters on up. obviously the now-disgraced former president who led the rioters was impeached, but republicans did have an opportunity to give those consequences the judge talked about, concrete consequences, and simply make it so that he could never run for or hold office in america again. it's in the constitution. it would have been a frankly lenient treatment for his behavior. it was the bare minimum they could have done. but no, senate leader mitch mcconnell and the overwhelming majority of the rest of his party chose not to do it. and so that man is likely going
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to take another run at it. but it's more than just him. so far more than 600 people who participated in the january 6th attack have been arrested. we've been tracking these cases as they go through the courts. and a lot of them are going through some process of real accountability. some are facing very serious prison time, again depending on what they did. the ones who seriously engaged in violence, many of them have been in jail this entire time. but the political structure that stoked this attack really has escaped any real consequences. here's one example. former trump advisor steve bannon, he was you'll recall facing very serious federal charges for defrauding trump supporters and then was pardoned by trump at the last possible second. get out of jail free card. and he is now helping to train appointees for the next republican administration telling nbc news, quote, if you're going to take over the administrative state and deconstruct it, you have to have shock troops prepared to take it over immediately.
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i gave them fire and brimstone. now, let's be clear. this is in large part the chesty braggadocio of obviously a pretty pathetic figure, but we all saw what happened last time in january. and then there are the republican politicians who voted with the mob. again, where are the consequences? there have to be consequences. those folks who voted with the mob, their betrayal of democracy was even more insidious than the rioters. while those attacking the capitol were violent and destructive, every member of congress sworn to uphold the constitution, having seen what the mob wanted and what they were willing to do to get it, every one had a chance but a majority of republicans voted to overturn the election. that vote in itself is an egregious assault on american democracy, as egregious as the actual attack and it's been totally whitewashed. again, there have to be consequences and where are they.
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all these people are still members of polite society and good standing. some are continuing to cultivate a seditious faction that stokes the big lie that there was fraud in the election. others have just moved on from that vote with no actual consequences. again, remember, the majority of the republican caucus across the spectrum voted to overturn the election. even a brand-new congresswoman, michelle fishbach from a swing district that she just won from a democrat decided to vote to disenfranchise her own voters on her third day in office. a truly stunning middle finger to throw up at your constituents, but there have been no consequences for her. she's just chillin'. true for people like senator josh hawley giving the rioters a proud salute. true for senator ted cruz. and for senator rick scout who's escaped approprium and shouldn't. scott is the worst offender because he's the chairman of the
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national republican senatorial committee. he's in charge of running the republican midterm campaign, having voted in the last election to disenfranchise a majority of americans and hand the election to the loser over the winner and end two centuries plus of american democracy. that guy running the midterms. and now he's just -- what is he? he's just another senator complaining about inflation as if he did nothing to undermine american democracy earlier this year, to end it in fact. now, remember, when all this happened, there were some calls for those senators to resign. calls for their expulsion even. that sounds like a dramatic thing to do. but i don't think it's that crazy considering the offense. and short of that, there could have been official censure. it could have been voted to censure them. what they all did was an egregious offense against the constitution and traditions of american democracy, as egregious as one that can be contemplated and yet nothing. there have to be consequences. and then there's all the people
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who were part of trump's orbit who brought us to the precipice or whout in the world doing things like working for right-wing think tanks or launch a media career, like alyssa farrah. now, like many in the world of conservatism, particularly conservative media, she is a legacy case. her daddy is the founder of the right-wing conspiracy website world net daily, jokingly referred to back in the day as world nut daily. she is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy that tried to bring down the clintons. to be fair you cannot hold that against her. she's an adult, did her own thing. although she did write for the site as recently as 2014. after two years as mike pence's press secretary she became the white house's communications director and held that job during what was the deadliest year in american history up to that point. you remember that year. we all watched as the president stoked misinformation and fear and talked about injecting bleach and turned americans
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against each other and rooted on people who threatened the governor of michigan and told us the virus was going away and it wasn't and didn't get enough testing and turned his attention forward the big lie as tens of thousands of people kept dying. alyssa was in charge of messaging from the white house that whole time. that was her job and that's what she was doing. she finally decided to exit on december 3rd when she apparently had had enough. that was after trump had lost the election, after months and months of selling poison to americans about how the election was rigged. quite amazingly on january 7th, she did an interview with politico, part of an effort to start sanitizing her image. she told the paper that she stepped down because she saw where this was heading, in december. in the interview she also aligned herself with senator cruz's questioning the results saying i subscribe to the ted cruz school of thought on this. his position is fundamentally that 74 million people voted for the president and as many as 50%
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of them believe the election was rigged. we should go through the exercise to the fullest extent that we can having a process that's open and transparent to show that these results were accurate. that's basically the laundered version of the big lie. that's the big lie light. now here she is today on abc's "the view" clearly trying to make her run at being a conservative talking head. now, to their credit the show's hosts asked her skeptical questions and pressed her. but ultimately her message was trump was bad but i still agree with him on a lot of things. i'm here to give you a fresh-faced vision of trumpism with a slightly lower center of sedition. >> you know who this person is. >> yeah. >> he's the person who grab 'em by the you know what and you're working for him. >> i didn't have any illusions about the president. i believe strongly in his economic agenda. i believed in his national security agenda. my background is national defense. i believe now under biden we're seeing the challenges of not having a strong national defense. >> what on earth are you talking
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about? tens of thousands of americans died in the plague while you were doing what in the white house exactly, and the president was telling us to inject bleach? farrah is very careful to try to market herself to both sides of the political spectrum because the insurrectionist faction of the republican party are plotting to run a repeat of their election challenges. they faced no accountability and they are dependent on the social moorings being that everyone tends to forget or actually forgets what it is they did. so there she is, trying to sort of softly whitewash what happened. trying to separate herself from donald trump, even though she spent three and a half years working for him. she quit december 3rd. now, i continue to think there should be a federal criminal investigation of seditious conspiracy by the president and his enablers. i don't think that's happening. it's not clear but doesn't happen to be happening. there is an investigation in
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fulton county, georgia, into trump's obvious blatant attempt to solicit fraud from the secretary of state. but it seems that the accountability is on the january 6 commission. all those political players and the actors who participated in the attempt to overthrow democracy and before that to bring us to the crisis point, the only sanction they now face is a subpoena power and investigatory potency of the january 6th select committee. and that committee, i'm happy to say, have been flexing their muscles. the panel has held its first closed door transcribed interviews with willing witnesses. jamie raskin now sits on the january 6 commission and joins me now. congressman raskin, it's good to have you. what can you tell us about the first rounds of interviews that are happening? >> well, i can tell you that they are voluntary witnesses coming in who are cooperating who want to describe the whole sequence of events that led both to the inside political coup
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against the vice president and the congress waged by the president and also the parallel insurrection, which enveloped and surrounded the coup and tried to aid that process of coercing the vice president to reject electoral college votes for the first time in american history, to declare power that's not in the constitution and that's what led to him being chased out of the body and people yelling "hang mike pence" and so on. you know, the problem with the word "coup" people think it's something that takes place against the president. this was a coup waged by the president against the vice president and against the congress. >> so you go to work every day in the united states capitol. you guys have lots of stuff to do. i'm sitting here talking to you in early october, months after this happened. you know, the root of the word "news" is new. we report on new things that happen. it continues to be the case to me that what happened then is the most like gaping wound in the american body politic has
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not been sutured up, treated or attended to. yet you work next to these people and i do feel the power of the inertia of everyone just forgetting it happened and getting back to business. >> well, i mean business for them of course is a very simple agenda. the republican party had no program adopted at its convention in 2020 for the first time i think in modern political history. there's never been a party without a program, without a platform. it's very clear what their agenda is. voter suppression, gerrymandering of the congressional districts, use of the filibuster to thwart all progress and packing the courts with right-wing judges and justices to cement this whole system. it's a very troubling situation because the vast majority of the american people reject trump, trumpism, violent insurrection and all of their big lies on everything from climate change, to covid-19, to the election, to january 6th and yet they
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manipulate so many of the key levers of political power in the country. >> the consequences, though, have been largely act. there has been no sanction. again, the 600 people have been arrested. the folks that actually went in there. the president was impeached, which is definitely not nothing, it was the most bipartisan impeachment in american history, which is also not nothing. but as far as i can tell, again, there really hasn't been sufficient to my mind accountability or sanction. it's basically your committee is left with that job, even though at one level you're really a fact-finding investigatory committee. how do you understand your dual roles in that respect? >> well, we are primarily a fact-finding investigative committee, which is going to produce a report that i trust and hope will change american history, because it will basically presenting to the american people this whole sequence of shocking events and lay out a case for defending democracy against dictatorship and autocracy because all over the world, the dictators and the autocrats and the kleptocrats,
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the putins, and the xis and dutertes are saying democracy doesn't work. we can't get it together, we can't move quickly enough and you need authoritarian regimes and authoritarian rule. we're going to lay out a very strong case for democracy and how to repair our democracy so we're not vulnerable to fascist violence in the future. >> the subpoenas that have been issued so far. there has been talk of noncooperation, court appeals. what is the status thus far of the subpoenas that have been issued? >> well, on thursday i think all of the documentary evidence is due in. we have subpoenaed a whole bunch of documents relating to everything connected to january 6th and the coup and the insurrection. and then there's another week
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within which we are arranging for interviews and depositions against people who have been called forward. so, you know, again, we don't do this of any sense of discretionary or optimal. people used to understand when you get a subpoena from the united states congress, you snap to attention, you come and bring the documents asked for and come and testify unless you've got some fifth amendment privilege or some other lawful privilege that you can assert. but these are not optional things. you know, of the many excesses and depridations of the trump administration, one was when you get a subpoena, you figure out how to fight it and that's a guy that's been surrounded by an army of lawyers for his entire adulthood if not before that. >> congressman jamie raskin, it's good to talk to you. thank you very much. >> thanks so much, chris. last week progressives in the house of representatives successfully held the line on the biden agenda. now many of the moderate democrats or the ones opposed to
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that full agenda are showing their hand. there's one person who may know where all this is going. it's democratic majority whip james clyburn. he joins me next. s cl yburn. he joins me next [ sneeze ] are you ok? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief
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xfinity xfi. so powerful, it keeps one-upping itself. can your internet do that? when last we left our legislative drama until halls of congress, house progressives had just pulled off something incredible, indeed unprecedented in the 15 years i've been covering congress. they held the line and it worked. progressives stopped that bipartisan infrastructure
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framework from passing by itself and accelerated negotiations in the senate for president biden's build back better agenda, including child care, elder care, paid family leave, we're the only country in the entire western world that doesn't have it, cheaper health care. the people who most want to kill off that full biden agenda, they're the same people who want noeft pass the bipartisan bill so they can declare victory, say, look, we did something and walk away and do nothing more. i've got to say the reaction to what progressives have done in delaying the passage of that bill kind of shows they're totally right. for instance, one of the leaders of the u.s. chamber of commerce said the bill should have been passed years ago and was angry about the delay. but of course the chamber wants to kill the biden agenda. josh gottheimer called it deeply
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regrettable. kyrsten sinema echoed that calling it inexcusable. the big takeaway is that progressives are exactly right. the big question now is what happens next. congressman jim clyburn is the majority whip and the third ranking democrat in the house and he joins me now. congressman, let me first start with just some news we just got which indicates that there are meetings happening right now between white house officials, the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, and senate majority leader, chuck schumer, about hammering this all out. what is your understanding of what these talks are and where we're at? >> well, thank you very much for having me, chris. i've not talked with the speaker today. i will be talking with her tomorrow morning and i suspect i'll find out then what they talked about tonight. what i do know, she is very focused on passing both these
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bills. she's been that way from day one. now, she got some pushback with the first bill, the so-called bipartisan bill passed the senate and was sent to the house, she said at the time that she was not going to move that bill until such time as we dealt with build back better. she said it way back then. she never wavered from that. i don't know why people are thinking that she did. she has not ever wavered at all, and that's where we are today. waiting for us to get an agreement on build back better and then move both these bills in concert. and that's what i think we will do. >> there is, of course, the climate aspect in this legislation, which is, you know, particularly a focus and concern for a lot of folks, particularly because the last time around there was democratic unified
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government ten years ago, that climate legislation was killed by the senate. there was not sufficient votes. a climate reporter today made this point that i thought was important that focusing on the $3.5 trillion misses the economic context of climate change, that the current trajectory has us looking to spend 4% of gdp or $840 billion a year just on climate issues. just on the additional cost caused by climate change. do you feel like the party has explained to people how much a sort of insurance policy this is? >> i don't think we have broken through on that. i do know that we are quite aware, this party is quite aware of the fact that the arctic is melting, storms are repeating, rivers are rising and we've got to do something to protect the
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future of this planet. and that's why we are making this investment. so i think they might be able to do a much better job of getting people to understand what we're doing, because we are going to have more storms. what we've seen happen in the gulf now, we've never seen that happen before. before one storm gets to its destination, two others are forming. and so all of that is a result of the change taking place in our climate. even here in south carolina, i'll be in charlton this weekend and people are concerned that the rivers are rising and we want to do something to stop that so we can get climate conditions under control. >> you have served in congress for decades. you've been in leadership for quite a while. you've been through a bunch of legislative fights, brutal ones amidst covid, amidst the
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aftermath of the great financial crisis. where does the difficulty of this current one rank 1 to 10, 10 being the hardest, 1 being like an easy thing, unanimous bill everyone votes for. >> 10 plus. >> so this one is very hard. even compared to -- the one that i think of is the aca after scott brown got elected when the house had to pass that senate bill which was a really hard one. harder than that? >> yes, simply because we knew then how hard it was. we knew what we were battling against. we knew exactly what we needed to do in order to get people to a good place, and we got there. this time so much misinformation is going out and people are really reacting to stuff that makes no sense.
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covid-19 is real. and why people will not -- is a problem for me. i can't understand that. we're not going to get our economy to where it needs to be until we get this pandemic under control. and aside from all of that, there are people who are denying science. climate is all about science. and so when you've got these kind of denials, it makes it tough. and so this has been the toughest battle that i've been in yet. >> all right, 10 plus. congressman jim clyburn, thanks for your time. >> thank you. coming up, if there is one bit of good news for mark zuckerberg today, it's that during facebook's five-hour-long outage, no one on facebook could read or share a comment on the damning whistleblower story. we'll talk about it with a former facebook executive, next. a former facebook execute,iv next. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at how much you've saved,
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facebook and its family of services, including instagram and whatsapp went down today shortly before noon eastern time. the outage lasted more than five hours, affecting billions of users worldwide. facebook staffers said their own internal systems were also broken, they were operating off the same technology and same servers. one employee telling "the new york times" they were not even able to enter builings this morning to evacuate the extent of the outage because their badges weren't working to access doors. facebook's stock price tumbled falling 5% by the time markets closed knocking mark zuckerberg's personal wealth down by $6 billion. of course that's paper wealth. the cause of the outage remains unclear and it comes the day after a facebook whistleblower reveals her identity to "the wall street journal" and "60 minutes." frances haugen, who worked on
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misinformation or misinformation on facebook in the run-up to the 2020 election coied thousands of pages of internal documents before leaving facebook earlier this year. those form the basis of the complaints she filed last month with the securities and exchange commission claiming the tech giant hides what its own research says but the platform amplifies hate, misinformation and political unrest. >> to quote from another one of the documents you brought out, we have evidence from a variety of sources that hate speech, divisive political speech and misinformation on facebook and the family of apps are affecting societies around the world. >> when we live in an information environment that is full of angry, hateful, polarizing content, it erodes our civic trust, it erodes our faith in each other, it erodes our ability to want to care for each other. the version of facebook that
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exists today is tearing our societies apart and causing ethnic violence around the world. >> in addition, haugen explained facebook's algorithm deliberately chooses divisive content to show users because anger inspires more engagement. the documents she leaked show that this led european political parties to feel forced to skew negative on facebook. another came from the company's own research about instagram showing 13.5% of teen girls say instagram makes thoughts of suicide worse. 17% say it makes their eating disorders worse. holding social media companies accountable for what they do to kids was the subject of a senate hearing last week chaired by democratic richard blumenthal of connecticut. as senator blumenthal told me, his subcommittee is holdings another hearing tomorrow where this facebook whistleblower, frances haugen, will testify.
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a reporter at the guardian, a finalist for the pulitzer prize in 2019. her work on the facebook/cambridge analytica scandal and also katie harbuff has spent ten years at facebook as director of public policy. she is now an elections fellow at the bipartisan center think tank. it's great to have you both. carol, let me start with you and just ask the revelations from this whistleblower to me are not shocking -- well, they're not surprising. they are kind of shocking morally. but to me more than anything, they're sort of confirmation of what we always suspected. how do you see these documents? >> yeah, i think -- i mean i think you're exactly right. we can't be shocked by the content. so many people have been shouting about this for years now. but nonetheless i think having somebody who's come from within the belly of the beast, who was right there in the civic
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integrity team and who can come forward and explains in this very human way what these problems are and has also brought this wealth of evidence. i mean i think it was eight s.e.c. filings she's made. she's given evidence to five state attorney generals. you cannot downplay the amount of material that she's bringing forth and potentially, you know, i think very serious actions and consequences as a result of this potentially. >> katie, you worked there for years and you've left. as someone who did work there and was part of that civic integrity unit or task force, does this jibe with your experience there and how you think about what the company does and what it maybe could do better? >> it absolutely jives in terms of the fact that the members of the civic integrity team, those that are there and those that
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are left have a deep commitment to figuring out the best ways to make the platform better for society and better for democracy. they feel so passionate about that, that many are still there trying to make it better. others feel that there needs to be more conversation out in the open about these types of issues and the things facebook is seeing. what this is showing is sort of the hard trade-offs we oftentimes debated within the company that are now open to the public. >> we had the outage today and there was a lot of joking. there's all this joking about wouldn't it be better if it never came back. and people were saying actually throughout the world, particularly in the global south, whatsapp is the major means people use to interact with each other. but when we talk about instagram and facebook, let's put whatsapp to the side because i think it's a little different. is facebook like automobiles, which is that they are incredibly useful, incredible machines and also dangerous if not regulated or like
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cigarettes, where there's nothing redeeming about it. if tobacco went away tomorrow, no one would be worse or wiser. today in the outage, i was kind of pondering this. what do you think, carol? >> i think as you say for large parts of the world it is the internet and it's really easy -- in the philippines there have been devastating impacts on their elections which katie will know about. the population, they access the internet, so many of them for basics and that is the way that they sort of see the world. so i think there is a difference. for us, yes, i think it was great today, wasn't it? i think a lot of people discovered that actually maybe this was something they could do without in their lives. i don't know, maybe there is going to be a longer term behavior change because of that. i don't know, i guess we'll just have to see. >> katie, how known -- when we
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talk about these key pain points, the sort of outreach to children, the toxic effect on civic discourse or political polarization and extremism, how present and aware is that in the minds of the people working inside the company? >> i think it's very present. it is one of the things that, frankly, kept me up at night and continues to keep me up at night is the amount of work that we needed to continue to do. there were a lot of many great people that were trying to figure out the right solutions to this. and clearly there is a lot more to do. clearly there were decisions that were made that in hindsight i think should have been absolutely done differently. and i think, though, that at the same time too that we shouldn't expect facebook to make these decisions on their own and i do think that it is good that we as a society are out there debating all of these in the open to figure out what the new norms and regulation and other guardrails should be.
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>> carol -- go ahead. >> can i cut in. because i think one of the things we're forgetting here is that a lot of this -- some things can be fixed with money. and that, i think, is what france has sort of articulated so money, that she was one of six people dealing with counterespionage. she said that's just not possible. you cannot deal with the world's counterespionage on facebook with six people. i think in your team on linkedin, i just read, kate, there were 30 people in charge of elections globally. now, living in a country where we had an election which was decided on facebook and a deluge of misinformation, which is now being deleted from the internet, so we can't study it, it's not there for our archives, for academics to study, this is a massive problem. and frankly, if facebook just
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took a tiny little bit less profit and employed a few more people in key roles, we could solve a lot of these problems overnight. i look particularly at content moderators who are employed on these terrible contracts. they do awful work for very, very low pay. why not just pay them some more money, have some more of them, train them properly. this is not rocket science, it is just money. >> that's a great point. money can't solve all things but a lot of things it can. carol and katie, thank you both. ahead, hospitals overwhelmed with covid patients without enough beds to treat them. the heartbreaking stories from the front lines as the pandemic of the unvaccinated intensifies, after this. nv accinated intensif, after this ♪darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪
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california's governor is mandating kids 12 to 17 get a vaccine to go into the schoolroom around january. are you going to mandate it for school kids as well? >> no chance. >> why? you mandate, as governor you mandate -- we looked, measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, why
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don't you put covid on that list? >> margaret, you don't have to come in so hot. you guys asked me to come, you know. but margaret -- >> i'm asking you to clarify. >> i truly believe that the mandates only divide us and only divide us more. >> west virginia republican governor jim justice making the case why he will not be mandating vaccines in his state. i should tell you jim justice has been one of the republican governors who has been quite strong in encouraging people to get vaccinated. he's been very consistent in that message. he hasn't pussyfooted with it, he actually has done it. he even offered a financial incentive for people to get vaccinated. his state has the lowest vaccination rate according to the cdc. the state's own data shows the biggest lag is with 12 to 15-year-olds, you see that right there at the top. only 30% of them are fully vaccinated. but justice is still refusing to add it to school age kids'
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vaccination requirements despite the fact that we're starting to see mandates across all ages really work. new york city mandated vaccinations for public school employees. now 95% of all full-time school employees have received at least one dose. after california's vaccine mandate for hospital workers went into effect last week, major health systems reported the mandate had helped boost their vaccination rates to 90% or higher. in connecticut, which saw an uptake in cases in july, governor ned lamont ordered all state employees and staff of childcare facilities to be vaccinated, saying he would deploy the national guard to fill any personnel shortages. governor ned lamont, democrat of connecticut, joins me now. governor, it's good to have you. take me through what the requirements in your state are, where are places where you're requiring the vaccine, and what the results of those policies has been. >> good evening, chris. i'll tell you that through
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encouragement and incentives, we got about 88% of our adults vaccinated. we got the overwhelming majority of our nurses and teachers vaccinated. but that wasn't good enough. so we put in place mandates. that means that all teachers must be vaccinated and they are all getting vaccinated. all health care workers must be vaccinated. all state employees as of midnight tonight must be vaccinated or at least give us their testing protocols and how we can keep people safe. i would like to tell you that well over 90% of our folks are following that. >> right now, if i'm not mistaken, according to the cdc data we have, you've got the most vaccinated state in the union in terms of percentage of the eligible population. these numbers float around, but that's 12 and up, 79.9%. what has that meant for what delta looks like, what normally life looks like, your hospital system, as you have seen cases go up a bit as delta has hit
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connecticut. but what's it meant for the state, for businesses, and for hospitals? >> i think a lot of pride that we are getting it right, that our schools are open and they don't have to shut down for quarantine like is happening in other states, that our hospitals have extra capacity so we can take care of surgeries for all of our citizens and some of our states that are less vaccinated, they're flying their patients into connecticut so we can provide lifesaving can you do surgeries for them as well. i know people are exhausted but people are staying the course a little long of her. >> you have some requirements at colleges and universities. so far that's another place people were worried, you've got people in dormitories, young people very close to each other. so far it looks like that's also a bright spot. officials saying that high levels of vaccination have not only limited cases, they've also allowed schools to lighten up on
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pandemic-related restrictions imposed last year in your state. how are things in higher ed in connecticut? >> right now all of our higher ed institutions mandated vaccines for everybody. overwhelmingly people are complying with that. and they have the lowest infection rates in the state. these are young people living in congregate settings. it's working. >> you have not taken the step that california was the first state to take, which is to add covid vaccination to the list of required vaccinations for school entry. that's for kids that are 12 to 18. why not? >> right now, we're using encouragement. i would say we've got well over 75% of those kids vaccinated. i am requiring the mask for everybody, k-12. i think that's keeping people safe. >> so you've got 75% of that eligible population vaccinated just through -- so what's going
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on there? is this a reality about connecticut, about the demographics of your state, about outreach? why is this going this way in connecticut? >> chris, we got hit really hard very early along with new york and new jersey. i think this is a state where we look out for each other. it's not just our personal freedom but what we can do. when it came to our high schools, we really wanted them to be open in person. you know, the best advocates were our coaches. they said, you're part of a team, we want you on the field. if you have to quarantine, the rest of our team can't play. >> that's interesting. so they've been a key aspect of this. you would imagine that's a sort of key authority figure in a lot of places around the country that are really struggling to get their vaccination numbers up. do you think about life in connecticut going into this winter? how different do you see it being than last winter which of course was bad across the country, not -- you know, not particularly in connecticut, but
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like everywhere, it was a tough winter. >> it was a tough winter because wealth we were getting out of the woods, you know, a year ago summer. we opened up our schools. all of our businesses were open. in thankfully everybody wore the mask. connecticut was one of the first to get people vaccinated. so that second wave of delta hit us a lot less severely than it did some other states. i think people here in connecticut feel like these protocols are working and they're willing to hang in there a little longer to stay safe. >> but what does hang in there longer mean? >> hang in there longer means kids in school wearing the masks a little bit longer. hanging in there means those who say i don't want to get vaccinated are now more likely to get vaccinated, the overwhelming majority. people are looking out for each other because they see it's working. >> we'll see. your state may be the first to across into a threshold where we're looking at something that at least approaches herd
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immunity. i hope we all arrive there sooner rather than later. governor ned lamont of connecticut, thank you. >> thanks, chris. that is "all in" for tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts now with ali velshi. >> chris, we have not crossed paths in the last year and a half, so we caught up a little bit. >> nothing like a little makeup room chitchat. rachel's got the night off. thanks to you for joining us. we're coming up on nine months since the january 6 attack on the united states capitol. i think for all of us, amid the deluge of video and photographic documentation of the attack that emerged in the days and weeks afterwards, there are certain moments, certain images from that day that are burned into our minds. moments like this one. a man in a very distinctive stars and stripes jacket with


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