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the infrastructure bill has been delayed indefinitely, so i guess we'll just cross that bridge when it collapses on top of us. >> despite the buildup of last week, the house vote on infrastructure was delayed on friday. now house speaker nancy pelosi has set a new end-of-october deadline to get things done. the question is will democrats get on the same page before that. plus, a facebook whistle-blower comes forward after turning over thousands of pages of the company's internal research to "the wall street journal." the question is will the leaked information spur change for the social media giant?
and buccaneers quarterback tom brady reminds his former team what they're missing. he returned to foxborough and rallied tampa bay to a 19-17 victory over the patriots. the question is how are pats fans feeling this morning? it's "way too early" for this. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early," a show that always loves a good comeback. it's october. i'm kathy kay. october 4th to be exact. we'll start with the news. a former facebook employee who leaked thousands of company pages in research to "the wall street journal" revealed her identity in a television interview last night. she said her goal has been to help prompt change at the social media giant. when she left the company in may, she took a trove of
information with her. some of it amplifies hate, misinformation, and public unrest. >> the thing i saw on facebook over and over again, there were conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for facebook, and facebook ore and over again chose to optimize for its own interest like making more money. you know, you have your phone. you might see only 100 pieces of content if you sit and scroll for five minutes. but facebook has thousands of options it could show you. >> the algorithm picks from those options based on the type of content you've engaged with the most in the past. >> and one of the consequences how facebook is picking out that content today is they're just optimizing for content that gets engagement or reaction, but its own research is showing that content that is hateful, that is divisive, that is polarizing, it's easier to inspire people to anger than it is to other
emotions. >> misinformation, angry content -- >> yeah. >> -- is enticing to people. >> very enticing. >> and keeps them on the platform. >> yes. facebook has realized that if they change the al go rhythm to be safer, people will spend less time on the site, click on less ads, make less money. >> facebook said it understood the dangers to the 2020 election, so it turned on safety systems to reduce misinformation, but many of those changes, she says, were temporary. >> as soon as the election was over, they turned it back off or changed the settings to what they were before, and that feels like a betrayal of democracy to me. >> anger equals clicks. clicks equals money according to the whistle-blower. facebook put out a statement in response to the 60-minute segment writing this. every day our team has to protect the balance of people
expressing themselves openly with a need to keep our platforms safe. we continue to make significant improvements to tackle the spread of misinformation and harmful content. to suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is just not true. we're going to dig deeper into this just ahead. but first democratic leadership is setting a new deadline to finish its loaded agenda. >> october 31st is our new target date certainly to get the debt ceiling done long before that, but also when it comes to this issue, reconciliation and the infrastructure bill, to have that as our target. >> in a letter to the democratic caucus over the weekend, speaker nancy pelosi set the new timeline, mentioning last week's failure to get enough votes on infrastructure. she writes in part, quote, out of respect for our colleagues who support the bills and out of recognition for the need for both, woil not bring the bipartisan infrastructure bill to the floor to fail. again, we will and must pass
both bills soon. we have the responsibility and the opportunity to do so, but the white house may not be on board with the new end date. in an interview yesterday in an interview, it was said there was no set time frame to pass the bills. meanwhile negotiations continue over the size and scope of the reconciliation bill. progressives are shooting down senator joe manchin's $1.5 trillion price tag. >> so if we're not looking at numbers, what about 1.5, like what senator manchin -- >> well, that's not going to happen. >> why won't it add up to that number? >> because that's too small to get our priorities in. it's going to be somewhere between 1.5 and 3.5, and i think the white house is working on that right now. remember, we want to work on child care, paid leave -- >> this is not a wish list. this is what the working families of this country want and what the economy needs. the real question is -- the
republicans, of course, are owned by the pharmaceutical industry and the fossil fuel industry. we don't expect them to do anything, but the question now is whether the democrats can come together. and i think that we can. >> yeah. >> to finally do what working families in this country desperately want us to do. >> somewhere between 1.5 and 3.5 is an awful lot of trillions of dollars. joining us now, politico's daniel lippman. how are they feeling after a breezy weekend? >> they know the democrat is party is becoming a much more progressive party and they're kind of in the minority. they only have two senators, man chip and sinema in this moderate coalition trying to stop the priorities. we're going to see a figure around $2 trillion. they just need manchin to get
onboard with that. but they know that this is a golden opportunity to get their priorities passed. it might take another ten years for democrats to be in full control of washington to see another moment like this. >> yeah. so the progressives feel this is their one and only chance and they want to go as big as they can. the white house now saying, look, there's no timeline, six weeks, six days, six hours as the president put it. what role do you think the white house is going to play and the president in particular over that time frame to try to get this passed? is it going to change? >> i think this is a matter of more time. it's not of the white house disengaging. so the legislative affairs, they're going to be talking to all sides to try to come up with some type of agreement, but the white house doesn't want to be hemmed in by a deadline, and so it's much easier for pelosi to say, hey, at the end of october,
let's get this done. and for the white house, they don't want to kind of get embarrassed if that falls short again. >> so, daniel, let's talk about that $2 trillion that is to play for, right? somewhere between $1.5 trillion and $3.5 trillion is where we're going to end up. some policies are not going to go into the final package because they won't be able to afford all of them. are you getting a sense in your conversation with members and progressive members in particular, what they are prepared to let go if they can't have the full $3.5 trillion? what is it that's not going to make it into the final bill? >> well, i think there's one here where they would limit the number of years the spending program would continue. so instead of ten years for some of these things, it would go down to five. i think it's basically split between people who value social spending in terms of, you know, child care spending versus
climate change, which many in the caucus view as an exten chal threat. so this is not something to be played around with. if you wait another few years to try to address climate change in this serious way, it might be too late. and so i think we're probably likely to see the climate change elements, you know, get more heaily weighted in this type of bill just in terms of the realities of how democrats feel like this is a real cause, you know, that most in the democratic party really care about. >> that's very interesting. daniel lippman, thank you. remember in november there's going to be the cop26 conference. there's going to be a lot of discussion. climate change will be in the headlines. negotiations, i wonder if that will weigh in with members as well. we're digging into the impact of employers requiring covid vaccinations, and amid an
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hey, it's monday morning. time for good news for a change. covid cases are dropping according to the "washington post." hospitalizations crested at 100,000 in early september, not that high since winter before vaccines were available. they're now on track to slip below 100,000. the report attributes this decline to a sharp drop in new cases in southern states that were particularly hit hard by the delta variant. in addition, an analysis by "the new york times" finds that the recent covid-19 deaths are
distinct from what we saw throughout the pandemic. according to that report, people who died in the last three months were concentrated in the south, a region that has lagged in vaccinations. many of the deaths were reports in florida, mississippi, louisiana, and arkansas. those who died were younger. in august, every age group under 55 had its highest death toll of the pandemic. "the new york times" is also reporting on the major success of vaccine mandates in some of the country's largest states, though, there were concerns about widespread pushback. the "times" says most employees have complied with requirements. in new york where some 650,000 employees at hospitals and nursing homes were to have received at least one vaccine dose by the start of this week, 92% were in compliance, state officials said. that was up significantly from a week ago when 82% of the state's
nursing home workers and hospitals received at least one dose. in california, several major hospital systems reported hundreds and in some cases thousands more workers had opted to be vaccinated since august 5th when governor gavin newsom issued the health care order. it's not just health care. united airlines said 99% of its workforce was vaccinated. they say all of their employees were to be fired for refusing to get the shot. 20 facilities in alaska are asked to ration it. they activated the emergency protocols for every hospital in alaska's largest city anchorage and several health care centers across the state. according to data collected by johns hopkins, one in 84 people in alaska were diagnosed with
covid from september 22nd to september 29th. alaska has now contributed to the crisis. "the new york times" reports they have had the ability to transfer patients. in anchorage, the closest hospital is 1,500 miles away in washington. >> my purpose this afternoon is in the midst of this, in the midst of this real crisis in my state when it comes to the availability of health care and responding to this virus that is killing alaskans, killing americans, killing people around the world, that we show a little kindness because right now that seems to be in as limited
capacity as some of the hospitals that we have in alaska. >> our message to you this monday morning, show a little kindness. still ahead, i've got this. tom brady's return to new england. sunday height lights in sports next. england. sunday height lights in sports next oney lemon chill. for fast-acting sore throat relief. wooo vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops. (brad) how is apartments-dot-com so sure that we'll still have the most listings in the future? by going there. (man) no listings in 2178! (brad) with the possible exception of the year 2178. apartments-dot-com. the most popular place to find a place. the lasting cologne scent of old spice dynasty helps get you off your couch. and into the driver's seat.
we all ought to get those kind of cheers when we enter a stadium. buccaneers quarterback tom brady receiving a warm welcome from the packed crowd at gillette stadium in his return to new england for the first time since leaving for tampa bay, but patriots fans changed their tone once the game actually got under way, booing their former quarterback as he took the field for the bucs' first drive of the night.
brady didn't find the end zone for the team he led with six super bowls but finished with 269 yards through the air and broke the league record for career passing yards held by drew brees and became just the fourth quarterback in history with victories against the all 32 nfl teams. trailing tampa by two points, new england had a chance to win in the final minute, but the 56 yard field goal is no good. the buccaneers beat the patriots, 19-17. turning now to major league baseball and the consequential final day of the regular season. the yankees and red sox will face off. both teams saving the drama for late. new york's aaron judge delivering a walk-off single to beat the a.l. east champion tampa bay rays, 1-0, and seal a spot, while boston's rafael
devers hit a clutch two-run homer in the ninth to get past the washington nationals, p-5. poor nationals. meanwhile the blue jays posted a win against the orioles that included vlad guerra jr. the yankees will meet the red sox at fenway park tomorrow night for the a.l. wild-card game. in san francisco it took 162 games, but the giants finally capture the national league west with their 107th win of the season. yesterday's 11-4 victory over the padres earned san fran its first division title since 2012 and ends the dodgers' streak at eight in a row. los angeles will host the nationals on wednesday knights. here's a look at the major league picture. a after the wild-card games in
both leagues are decided, the two best of the league series begins on thursday. the national league division series begins friday. the giants will host either the cardinals or the dodgers, and the n.l. central champion, milwaukee brewers, will host the n.l. east champion, atlanta braves. phew, gosh, there's a lots of sport on monday morning. time now for the weather. much happier there. bill, why didn't you step in? that exhausted me. let's go to bill karins. >> excellent. >> excellent. it was serviceable. your weather will be excellent. my sports serviceable, let's be honest. >> i enjoyed every minute of it. as we head into our monday morning umbrella weather, grab it as you're heading out the door. there will be a little bit of
rain. if you watched the patriots game at foxborough, there was a decent amount of rain during the game. that continues this morning. some rain in new england. definitely have that umbrella handy from buffalo to new hampshire, boston, maichblt d.c., there's not going to be a lot of rain today. same with baltimore. there will be hit-and-miss showers. we'll see rain in atlanta and areas of alabama. as we head toward tomorrow, the northeast will stay cool and cloudy with hit-and-miss showers. north carolina, hit and miss, also nashville and alabama. through mobile through the panhandle of florida up through alabama and atlanta could get a good drenching out there. if anyone's traveling through the airports, tomorrow you could deal with delays. most of the delays today would be through no, up through hartford and providence and logan airport. today's forecast, look at the middle of the country.
it still feels and looks like summer. dallas at 87. san antonio, 89. tomorrow warm in the middle of the country. the only areas that will be a little coolish is northwest and northeast with showers. katty, this october is shaping up to be a very warm october. it doesn't feel like fall yet in many areas of the country. >> i was wearing a sweater by saturday morning and then by sunday, hot and humid and back in shorts again. i'm ready for fall. bill, thank you very much. still ahead, nancy pelosi is gives her caucus another month to get on the same page when it comes to infrastructure. we're going to talk about a time line when it comes to president biden's agenda. before we go to break, why are you awake? email me. we'll read our favorite answers -- you know it -- later on in the show. w it -- later on in the show s the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer.
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welcome back to "way too early." it's 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30s out west. i'm katty kay. the u.s. supreme court begins its full term tomorrow and all eyes are on the most devicive issues including freedom of abortion, gun rights, and more. >> it's likely to be the most important term for abortion. the supreme court will take up
the mississippi law. >> after the point where the unborn child can feel pain, we ought to provide them an extra level of protection from the abortion. >> reporter: but the supreme court has consistently ruled states cannot ban abortion before 24 weeks. >> if roe is reversed, probably almost half the states in the united states would strictly limit abortion and perhaps ban it altogether. >> and the new texas law shutting down abortions after just six weeks is bound to be back too. the supreme court allowed it to take effect a month ago. the justices will decide whether local laws show a special need for a permit to carry a weapon -- >> it's contrary to the second amendment. i mean does your right to self-protection stop when you leave your home? >> a case for maine invites the court to rule on another
contentious issue. does using public money to send children to school offering religious education violate the separation of church and state, and the court might take up the affirmative action controversy considering an applicant's race as a factor in college admissions. >> i think we're going to look at this where the conservators really did take over the supreme court and american constitutional law, where they got what they were really looking for on the big hot-button issues that affect all of americans' lives. >> our thanks to nbc's pete williams for that report. joining us now, co-founder of punch bowl news, jake sherman, an msnbc contributor. there are a whole load of things happening in washington that are very important at the moment, abortion, gun rights. up on capitol hill they're still talking about voting rights. oftentimes it seems like nothing is being talked about except infrastructure, but for lots of people around the country, all
of those issues are equally important and they want to see action on them too. >> yeah, katty, this gets back to the main hurdle that congress has. it takes 60 votes to do anything on capitol hill. the filibuster seems like it's here to stay and not going anywhere. yes, extraordinarily consequential moment and consequential term. we can't expect anything to do anything on these issues and pass any new laws on something as controversial as gun rights, abortion, anything like that, because of the senate. on the narrow issue of abortion, we have seen the house of representatives vote to codify roe v. wade into law, and they did so in the house of representatives just a few weeks ago, but that bill is likely dead in the senate because, again, because of that legislative filibuster. >> let's take a look at infrastructure because it's what's been dominating the proceedings here in washington the last few days. on friday you tweeted that this
process was always likely to go into the fall, so not having a vote last week didn't actually portend anything. what more can you tell us, jake, about how all parties involved are feeling about this new end date that they've been given? >> yeah, so the congress voted last week to extend highway funding temporarily until the end of this month, so that's the new deadline to pass an infrastructure bill, but i will say they could pass another temporary funding patch and make it go until november or december. i would imagine, katty, listen, we track it up and down. that's the job of all journalists. i would fieg progressives feel they're hitting a high note in washington. they were able to hold back this infrastructure package with the idea they need to pass this massive social spending package, another $2.5 trillion. this is the entire biden agenda. we couldn't be more -- this
couldn't be more high stakes for this president, this presidency, this congress. i imagine this could take a little longer. we're going to see this go until november, thanksgiving, or maybe the end of the year. >> the progressives today feeling they're the ones in the driving seat, any concerns at all that both of these bills fail, and having said, you know, half a loaf is better than none, they end up with none? >> yeah, katty, that's the main risk for democrats, right? delaying something on a legislative calendar makes it more fatal. these are big pieces of legislation. we can't overstate it enough. these are massive changes to society, social spending, and government programs. yes, it's within the realm of possibility that both of these would fail and that would bolster the moderates' argument they should pass the bill right away to give president biden the
victory. i don't think they will both fail. they'll pass at some point in the future, but when that happens is not clear yet. >> your quiz for monday morning. if you had to pick between $1.5 trillion and $3.5 trillion, what would be your pick, jake? >> $2 trillion. i think mentally that would be difficult for a lot of progressives, but that seems like the right number. >> $2 trillion, progressives could live with that? >> probably. >> that was brief. thank you, jake sherman, "punchbowl news." still ahead, the best from "saturday night live." "way too early" will be right back. night live." "way too early" will be right back
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facebook's own research says as these young women begin to consume this, they get more and more depressed. it makes them use the app more. and so they end up in this feedback psych wrl they hate their bodies more and more. facebook's own research says it is not just that instagram is dangerous for teenagers, that it harms teenagers. it is that it's distinctly worse than other forms of social media. >> that was facebook's frances haugen. she says in her time with the company she saw conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for facebook. joining us now, reporter and feature writer for the "observer," she exposed
facebook. we've had lots of allegations about facebook. we've seen reporting before and internal data before. how different is this? how consequential could this whistle-blower be for facebook? >>. >> hey, katty, i think the question is it bad, is it very bad, or is it terrible? i think those are the choices we're looking at at the moment. i think the think is frances puts a human face on this story. she's a facebook employee who's really been at the belly of the beast who's come forward. she's basically come forward and says facebook has no integrity. there was a stunning quote she used when she said, facebook needs to declare itself morally bankrupt. so these are very powerful words. and it really couldn't come at a
worse time for facebook. they're in a ton of trouble. there are multiple lawsuits and legal challenges pending, including big one, which is the ftc's anti-trust case. >> do you think -- carole, nick clegg was on american television yesterday. i don't know if you heard him. basically his argument was, look, we have such a big population on facebook that there's going to be some bad stuff. we try and regulate it internally as much as we can, but there's also an awful lot of good stuff. particularly when it came to teen gil girls, he said girls g depressed when they look at fashion magazines. and he said girls who have problems with their body image, it might exacerbate it. but girls also have a positive experience when they're on instagram as well is.
congress going to want to have mark zuckerberg up and try to grill him, do you think? >> i think it's very possible. i'm not quite sure what we're going to get out of it. we've seen these sorts of performances. it's become more polished over time. it was very electrifying when mark zuckerberg first appeared. we saw repeatedly tech leaders brought before congress, but nothing actually happening. i mean -- and i think the nick clegg argument is sort of fascinating because it just shows facebook has run out of defenses. this is literally -- [ indiscernible ] >> i think we have -- >> and that's what facebook is potentially saying here. social media doesn't harm people. people harm people. >> carole, thank you very much
for joining us. we had a little problem with the line there. carole cadwalladr, thank you very much. earlier in the show we asked why are you awake. kim writes i'm up early here in louis after being released from the hospital. she wants to give a shout-out. we wish you all the best. mark tweeted this. i'm up "way too early" because i'm starting a new career. i'm so excited for new beginnings i could barely sleep. and this. i'm up "way too early" because my daughter and granddaughter are staying with me and that gives me three dogs and a cat. i would be up "way too early" too. and another writes, i em up to listen to spoert sports through. wow, that is so nice and possibly not true. up next, a look at axios
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for that report. joining us with a look at axios' hans nichols. here is some of that conversation, take a listen. >> there has to be conditions on taliban that they commit to the achievement that afghan society has made. >> did you get the sense that president biden cared about the faith of afghan women? >> i don't think so. >> wow, the fate of afghan women had not been good since the fall of kabul. what else did the ambassador say about the afghans reaction to president biden's decision?
>> guilt and disappointment. listening to this interview jonathan swan did is tremendous sadness mixed with guilt. she encouraged many afghan women to involve themselves in civil society and join government. she mentioned and suggested that a person has been assassinated. her reactions which the taliban has not tried to reach staff yet and the biden administration won't meet with her according to jonathan. her reaction here is one of just great deal of sadness. we have seen verses of this in the past and changes in the government and the embassy and ambassador here. it's a difficult and diplomatic situation for the biden administration. her first interview is she's conveying a great deal of sadness and quite a few in crimination herself.
i expect we'll hear more from her as this story plays out in the coming weeks. >> what's happening to afghanistan and especially to women is truly heartbreaking. >> let's look at what's happening in washington this weekend. what are the progressives next moves when it comes to negotiating this bipartisan infrastructure bill. what are they planning now in terms of timetable and what they are prepared to give up. what are you hearing? >> just forget and time and space and time space continuum. what we start to hear for progressives is the pie is going to shrink. it's just have them be for a short period of time. ten-year program, you do two-year of universal preschool. it's a way to set political
traps down the line because then there is a republican congress that says okay, do we have to take these programs away. it makes them less durable. the debate and you saw this happens last week and the week before. stagger the timelines and lower the timelines on how long it will be funded. it's a way to cram $3.5 trillion spending into 1.5 or $2 trillion, whatever the final number is going to be. >> okay, you just told me not to talk about time but i am going to do it. do you expect any kind of progress this week? >> it's like the sun. don't look at it and don't think about it. don't look directly into it. there will be progress this week. there won't be a deal. i can be over here 20 or 30 minutes if someone announces they are a deal. axios have been reporting that manchin has been talking about
2022. a couple of weeks ago we recorded that he told a town hall, let's do this in 2022. what was interesting about that letter that popped and his agreement, the four corners contract with schumer, $1.5 trillion. he says let's not talk about this in october 1st. he didn't expect to make real progress throughout the summer. and negotiators have been going on. there is been progress. manchin's timeline still is not accelerated. manchin's clock is still ticking slowly. >> we'll be watching for halloween prize. thank you so much hans.
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