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>> reporter: last season, brady left the patriots for the buccaneers to win a seventh ring without his former coach. >> there's no quarterback i would rather have than tom brady. >> i have great friends there. >> reporter: brady is 67 yards shy of the nfl's all-time passing record. a title he would love to clinch tonight. even more impressive, he would do it as a man who recently celebrated his 44th birthday. >> he is the best. he is the best ever. >> reporter: fans now find themselves caught between rooting for the man who brought them so much joy and cheering on a team they have supported all their lives. >> i'm hoping the patriots will actually take tom brady down. >> i hope tampa kills the patriots. >> reporter: if they do, it won't be easy. belichick is 10-5 in games against one of his former quarterbacks. you can bet the sunday showdown is pulling in big bucks even
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before kickoff. it's the most heavily bet game of the regular season. kickoff is still more than seven hours away. you can't keep the fans away. these are the torn fans that i was referring to earlier. you got the split jersey with brady. you got the buccaneers and the patriots represented. if you are still interested in coming out to watch the game, tickets are still available. if you want a cheap seat, they are $350. if you want to get closer to the action, it will cost a cool $4,000. >> okay, yeah. it's going to be on nbc and peacock. big ratings guaranteed. thank you. ♪♪ a very good day to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. we begin with breaking news of
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an oil spill off the coast of california. officials say more than 120,000 gallons of oil have created an oil slick. it spans about 13 square miles. beaches are closed from long beach to new port beach. the air show finale has been canceled. let's talk about what we are learning about this spill. what do you know? >> reporter: i can tell you, we have seen oil spills off the coast of southern california in the past. they have sometimes resulted in the deaths of thousands of birds. it's too early to say the toll of what will be a steep toll in this situation because authorities are trying to stop the oil from leaking from a pipeline several miles off the coast. huntington beach and new port beach the focal point of the investigation. authorities telling people not to come to the area. more than 120,000 gallons of oil pouring into the ocean and inching toward treasured land,
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wetlands and nature reserves. there's been a quick response. it has resulted in the cancellation of a big event, the pacific air show. authorities there saying, they are disappointed they have to do that. it was a measure they needed to do. this is an emergency situation, potentially a disaster. a county supervisor saying in part, the ramifications will extend further than the visible oil and odor that our residents are dealing with at the moment. the impact to the environment is irreversible. they have spotted some dead fish and birds washing ashore. lifeguards talking about the odor covering huntington beach and new port beach. they are discouraging people from going near the beach, let alone in the water. our crew telling me they have spotted surfers in the water. >> yikes. okay. they should heed the advice and stay out of it. thank you so much. let's go to the other big developing stories for this hour. a new phase of negotiations set to begin on president biden's
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social spending package after the vote for a bipartisan infrastructure bill was delayed. members of the democratic party expressing confidence both bills will pass. the big question now is, what will the reconciliation package look like in the end? earlier today, progressive caucus chair paul gave insight. >> i do understand we have to get everybody on board. we are going back to look at all of our priorities and how we get those things in. i'm not going to negotiate against myself. i don't have a number that everybody is agreeing to. as the president said, the number is the byproduct of what we put in there. we are focusing, what do we want in? we will get both bills done. i believe that. >> as democrats work to hammer out an agreement on the bills, the biden administration is not letting republicans off the hook. a message being sent on "meet
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the press." >> the real question is, why are republicans making us go at everything alone? we have to do an american rs -- rescue plan alone. we have to be the mature party to keep us going off the debt cliff and ruining the economy and knocking everybody's retirement down, raising the cost of cars and interest and all of those things. why do we have to go at it alone? >> a new editorial in the "new york times" is revealing january 6 was worse than we knew. it says the country was hours away from a constitutional crisis, not because of the violence inflicted by hundreds of president trump's supporters but because of the actions of mr. trump himself. you may notice your mail taking longer to be delivered and costing more. that's because dejoy's plan is in effect.
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congressman connolly expressed his concern over the plan. >> to say we're going to degrade service to you and charge you more for it is a recipe for disaster. what is an end to his so-called plan is the loss of business that will follow. this is part of a scheme to basically degrade the postal service, to set the stage for privatization. >> let's dig in deeper. welcome and heidi, we will begin with you. how is the white house dealing with divisions when it comes to the spending bills? >> admitting they need to go at this differently. like the president said, he ain't got the votes. two things. first of all, telling moderates and progressives that they need to come together on a specific
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range, moderates will need to go up, progressives need to come down. this is a tactic we have seen with many priorities for the president, which is taking it to the street, taking it to the people to apply pressure on members back here. members of this administration believe that while many people support this bill in congress, the moderates who don't have a lot of constituents who would benefit from this. for instance, coal miners in west virginia or single moms in arizona. >> i won't say that senator manchin is wrong. this administration, we know what we need to do. we need to deliver for the american people. 17 economists said if we pass the plans we would reduce inflation. what we have work do is make sure that senator manchin understands how this affects the future in terms of making sure we invest in american families
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so they can determine their own destiny. we think we have unity of purpose with senator manchin. >> democrats here at the white house believe that this is what democrats down pennsylvania avenue were all re-elected on, moderates and progressives. that's things that make life easier for middle class americans. the president thinks a lot of the constituents don't know what's in this bill. we will see him take that message to the road this week, emphasizing issues like child tax credits, expanding medicare, things that americans in every state would benefit from. >> paid parental leave. there's a bunch of stuff. thank you for that. let's go to julie on capitol hill. how much of an uphill climb is this? what would it take for the democrats to pull this off? >> for starters, it's going to take progressive democrats changing their message. a message makeover, if you will,
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from president biden, like heidi was laying out, to democrats in congress to take the focus away from the number, the price tag of the massive investment in infrastructure and human infrastructure and talk instead about the contents. that's what progressives were doing all morning long on sunday shows. they were talking about paid family leave, about childcare, about climate change. policies that will affect everyday americans just before president biden hits the streets next week. two notable absences from the sunday shows -- i'm told we won't hear from either today -- kiersten sinema and joe manchin. perhaps because they said all they needed to say. i spoke to senator manchin more times than my mom all of last week. i'm sure reporters will be ready to chase them tomorrow in the hallways. sinema putting out a scathing statement yesterday calling democratic leadership inexcusable, a failure that they
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delayed the bipartisan infrastructure bill on the house floor. it's raising eyebrows within the party. here is senator sanders on "meet the press" this morning. >> i think the people of arizona are beginning to stand up and show some impatience there and saying, senator, join the team here. let's get something done on reconciliation. >> deadlines are artificial in your mind right now? >> of course they are. >> look, regardless, democrats need sinema on board to pass biden's agenda. otherwise, it's on the threat of failing completely and not passing through congress. >> i'm sure your mom understands. i'm sure she's proud of you and the job you are doing for us on capitol hill. anyway, from there now to california congresswoman barbara lee, a member of the appropriations and budget committees who is joining me. good to see you, my friend.
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let's get to what's going on with some of your -- a few of your fellow democrats. they have expressed frustration with senator sinema today. how do you feel about what she said and the way she's holding things up? >> well, let me tell you, i'm focused on getting these bills passed. the american people deserve -- democrats especially and hopefully republicans to fight for them. i'm not going to get involved in the squabbles taking place, because i believe at the end of the day, we're going to come together and pass both bills. we have to do that. i have never focused on the bottom line in terms of numbers. we need to ask senator sinema and also senator manchin what they are willing to give up or what they will support. for example, are they willing to give up resources and
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investments for our essential workers, caregivers who are predominantly black and brown women living on the edge, do we think they deserve a minimum wage, a living wage? do we think our seniors deserve the health care that they deserve? those living in assisted living and nursing homes, do they deserve that? what is it, child tax credit that they don't believe would work in their district that would reduce and eliminate child poverty? i want to hear what they are willing to lose. >> keep talking. let's get this ironed out. how about the president when he went to capitol hill? the thinking was, he will bolster pelosi's position. do you think nancy pelosi had the expectation that he would go in and say, it's okay to delay, after she promised moderates she's going to hold this vote? do you think she was surprised by what happened? >> i don't think she was.
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first of all, the speaker said very clearly that she did not renege -- she had to change the rules of the game in terms of trying to meet what their demands were. there were not the votes. i believe the president and the speaker and the majority of house democrats are on the same page in terms of wanting the sequencing of both bills to go forward. we want the infrastructure bill passed. we want the build back better bill passed. americans deserve it. it's an economic agenda. it's not social. when you look at childcare, women want to get back into the workforce. many are black and brown women. they don't have the money to pay for childcare. we need to provide the childcare
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provision so they can get back to work. this is all about economic growth, economic benefits. it's paid for. >> yeah. let me highlight something that stood out in senator sinema's statement which reads, i have never and would never agree to any bargain that would hold one piece of legislation hostage to another. she's been talking to the white house, talking to the president. is there any way she could not have known that the bills were linked? >> well, we're not holding bills hostage. we're saying we are fighting for the american people, for the biden agenda. president biden campaigned on these provisions of these bills in terms of investments, in the green economy, good paying union jobs, the child tax credit, in childcare and priorities for women and men and families, for essential workers. this is what the president promised the american people.
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we have these bills that go together. they're not being held hostage. we are working together, 97% of our democratic caucus are on the same page. we have to continue to move forward and do the hard work and deliver for the american people. >> i'm behind you 100% to get this done. there still is that which is leaking out. look at the tweet from josh gottheimer who says a faction of the far left is putting the agenda at risk. how do you interpret that? why are moderate democrats turning on speaker pelosi? >> that's one or two members. the majority -- who is part of the far left? come on. i'm a progressive, former co-chair of the progressive caucus. what we are working on in terms of the investments, the majority of the american people want. they create good paying jobs. they address the climate crisis. they address health care.
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they help women and children. they address equity in terms of systemic racism that's in so many of the policies we have to begin to close the gap on. i'm not sure what they're talking about when they say the far left. when you look at those in our caucus who support the sequencing of the bills and these investments, you are talking about democrats. not the far left or far right or moderate. i don't accept that at all. >> despite all this playing out in a public way, the extent to this the public is really paying attention to the in fighting and the sausage making if you want to call it that on capitol hill is in question. the president is saying, i'm going to tell people what you are doing right now, which is here is what's in the bill, here is how it gets to you. is that what's going to ultimately get people behind it and lawmakers being told by their con stit still -- by thei
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constituents, get this done? >> it's about the voices of people. we delivered for republican constituents. we delivered on the rescue plan. we didn't have any votes to save their lives and their livelihoods. it was democrats who delivered for republican con constituents. president biden is doing what he said he would do. people need to know what we are fighting for. these investments are going to save lives and livelihoods. he is doing the right change. he has not changed his strategy. neither has the speaker in making sure the investments go into these areas to help people enhance the quality of their lives. that's what this is about. >> you are doing what we booked you to do. you are bringing it. can i make a suggestion to the president, he should take you on the road with him when he gets out there to try to explain this to everybody. congresswoman barbara lee, good to see you. >> nice being with you. thank you. after a nationwide call to protect abortion rights, the
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the january 6 committee is preparing for what could be a subpoena battle. the committee is preparing a narrow set of legal and tactical options as they brace for trump allies to invoke a wide range of constitutional protections to avoid testifying. let's bring in melissa murray and professor of law at nyu. melissa, welcome. let's get into this. does the committee really have the power to force trump's allies to testify? if so, how would they go about it? could they file criminal complaints against them? >> this idea of criminal referrals suggest they will be referring this to some kind of prosecutory group. it's unclear whether congress
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can do that. typically, it's one agency may do to another. if a state would refer someone to the doj or other federal authority for a criminal referral. unclear if congress can do that. we haven't had that many cases like that. one of the things that they can do to entice individuals to be cooperative is to provide them with some kind of immunity, whether broad or more limited immunity to secure their testimony. >> last week, the committee subpoenaed four trump allies. trump vowed to use executive privilege to stop them from testifying. can he do that? the definition of executive privilege, does it extend past a president being in office? does it extend to his former colleagues like that? >> we are going to find out. there's a letter that is written from one agency to the department of archives. the archivist has said in the letter it outlines the idea that the biden administration has the
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last word on that. the sitting president is the one who has the highest interest in the idea of executive privilege. the biden administration said they will sit back and let this play out. this is a broad question. it's one that may actually get back before the supreme court. does the idea of executive privilege, which allows individuals in the executive branch to share their opinions with other members of the branch, with candor, would that be compromised if you allow it to go so far as to permit a sitting president to invoke it? >> i'm just going to pick up, you said a sitting president. you think there's nuance between a sitting president and a former president, that's where there could be the discrepancy? >> we have never had a situation like this, like we never had a presidency like the trump presidency. >> right. >> this idea of whether a former
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president can invoke this privilege at a time when another president is in office is an open one. the question of how far that privilege goes i think raises questions about how far does the current president want it? obviously, it will be an issue for president biden going forward, how far this privilege extends and whether it's limited. i think the administration is saying that, it's not going to get in the way of this, but neither is it going to sit back and really defend the former president's right to have this information protected. >> let's get to the supreme court. it's set to reconvene tomorrow. they will take on a number of high profile cases. you have justice thomas speaking out about making decisions based on politics, saying, they think you are for this or for that, they think you become like a politician, that's a problem. you will jeopardize any faith in the legal institutions. you are a former law clerk to
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sonia sotomayor. how do you interpret this? >> they are trying to disclaim the idea that members of the supreme court are influenced by politics. i think that's because i think given all of the things that we have seen, certainly over the course of last term, but more recently in the last couple of weeks, there are a number of members of the public who think that the court is ideologically imbalanced and captured by one wing of the american political spectrum. i think they are out in force because the lady doth protest too much. the polls have suggested this. there were two done in the last couple of weeks that suggest the court's public approval rating is at its lowest rate in the entire time that the polls have been asking people about the polls. the court has taken a hit in its legitimacy because of its actions on the texas abortion case. what we see now are these
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justices out in force trying to tell us that the court is actually above politics. i'm not sure every american believes it. >> in part, do you think they may not believe it is because the former president himself was the one who would call out by name justices he appointed who didn't rule in the way that he wanted them to? hasn't he done a lot to make the court politicized? >> i think certainly the former president's remarks about his own judges that he put on the court are part of it. i think it's a larger political problem where you had vacancies go unfilled so members of the senate can wait to fill them when there's a new republican president in power. we have seen seats being filled expeditiously in order to prevent them being filled by a democratic president. i think there are a lot of things that go into the public's feeling the court has become politicized.
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new hope today in the coronavirus pandemic. 60% is vaccinated. new cases have fallen by 25%, indicating the delta variant surge may have peaked. dr. fauci says this morning, we are not in the clear yet. >> we certainly are turning the corner on this particular surge, john. but we have experience over now close to 20 months of surges that go up and come down and then go back up again. the way to keep it down, to make that turnaround continue to go
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down, is to do what we mentioned, get people vaccinated. when you have 70 million people in the country who are eligible to be vaccinated, who are not yet vaccinated, that's the danger zone right there. >> the cdc surging pregnant women to get the vaccine after more than 160 expectant mothers died from the virus is august. less than a third of pregnant women are vaccinated. joining me now the founding director for disaster preparedness. good to have you on the show. why is there an urgent push to get pregnant women vaccinated? are they more susceptible to the virus? could there be any side effects to an unborn baby? i'm sure those are questions being asked. >> right. the thing that was a problem, alex, we started off with a lot
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of misinformation on the internet and social media that said it was dangerous for pregnant women and women in general who might get pregnant. that was all rumored to be a problem. it absolutely is not. worse than complications from the vaccine, which few demonstrated, the consequences of getting covid, the disease, those consequences are actually horrendous. in some ways, may be worse it pregnant women than in non-pregnant women. really, if you are pregnant, if you plan to get pregnant, please, the message is clear and it is directed towards you and it says, please get vaccinated. the vaccines are not a problem. getting the disease is. >> it's being reported that
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pfizer vaccine antibodies disappear in many people by seven months. as that time lapses, should that qualify someone to receive a booster shot, even if they don't fall into the group that's authorized by the cdc, or is it still -- the public should wait for further direction? >> right. let me do clarification. it's very confusing. i'm getting many questions from all sorts of people about what is actually the booster policy. let me go forward a few months and reiterate what dr. fauci has said. eventually, everyone is going to need and will benefit from a booster shot. everyone. in the meantime, the first wave of booster shots is available for people who are older and for people who have one of a number of potential pre-existing conditions that could make them susceptible to getting infected. it's a really long list of
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infections and pre-existing conditions, that includes everything from being a transplant patient, to having cancer, all the way to having diabetes, even type 2 and obesity. the range of eligibility is high. by the way, the other thing that dr. walensky fought for over the advice of her advisory council is to make sure people who work in high exposure environments, like hospital workers, like bus drivers, like people who work in grocery stores, especially health care workers, those people even without pre-existing conditions should be getting a booster shot and are eligible to get booster shots. >> okay. i appreciate the clarification there. let me ask you this. why should somebody not go ahead and get the booster shot if they had their pfizer vaccine back in the spring? is this recommendation based on the availability of the vaccine?
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are they worried those people who you just specifically outlined would not be able to get the vaccine if there was a big crush? i know people who don't fall into those categories and yet they have gotten a booster shot from pfizer. >> right. there's over 2 million people who have gotten the booster shot whether they are eligible or not by walking into a pharmacy and just getting the booster shot. >> that's right. >> i think that's -- it's like, i think on a personal basis, this is something you should discuss with your doctor. the doctor will be able to analyze your particular situation and measure it against what the cdc is recommending. i think people can and have been and will be getting the booster shot whether they are actually eligible by cdc criteria or not. in the meantime, i guess the formal recommendation is, wait for you to be included in the eligible population to get the shot.
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a new study shows killing biz police are undercounted. more than 55% were related to other causes. a total of 17,000 police killings mislabeled. the study shows police mislabel the killings of black men at higher rates than for any other race. the data comes as republicans and democrats fail to reach agreement on police reform. the sticking point was the reporting of all violent police encounters. >> a nation that if an officer uses physical force, whether a billy club, that data should be collected. we should understand what are the traffic stops, the demographics of those and the like. we live in a country where senator scott and i have had personal experiences with wrongfully being stopped by
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police, guns drawn on us, accused of things we didn't do. if there's no transparency into those actions, we can't deal with it. >> joining me now, roland martin, host and managing editor of the podcast, unfiltered. why would. >> reggie: -- why would republicans be against transparency, reporting things that have happened? >> they are fraudulent. they choose to be aligned with police unions. republicans are always about law and order. that's what you have always seen on the local, state and national level. whenever you had these type of cases, republicans are very quiet. people who are pro life, very quiet. many white conservative evangelicals are quiet. you don't see them talk about these stories. you see civil rights groups and democrats raise these issues. that's a problem.
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they don't make the george floyd justice act real. this has been a problem we have seen in the country for far too long. it's time for republicans to step up and get involved and make this happen. hold police officers accountable for their actions. >> when you say that republicans are the party of law and order, that can be used against democrats. that's something you hear all time. the republicans identify with law and order. they use it against democrats as if to imply democrats are against law and order. what's wrong with that perception? >> it's silly. what happens is, you understand, when people are running for office in this country, we revere police officers, firefighters, these first responders. if you are running for mayor of a city, for district attorney, running for any office, one of the most coveted endorsements is from those particular unions. they understand that power.
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that's why you often will see laws not get passed because the power of the unions and making sure they don't get passed. they hold significant sway over elected officials. yes, democrats for a very long time, up until the last i would say five to eight years, were very much law and order, law and order. i just landed in l.a. that's why i couldn't change clothes. the bags were late. jackie lacy was boosted out as district attorney. marilyn mosby in baltimore. you have now had progressive district attorneys who have not been able to win because progressive activism. understand the value of having people d.a.s who are not aligned with the police officers. >> got you. getting back to this study about police killings, it was
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published in "lancet." it listed police violence as an urgent public health crisis in the u.s. it points out accountability is lacking with 1% of officers involved in killings being charged with a crime. senator booker also saying today that the majority of police officers agreed on accountability for wrongdoing. what's it going to take to get this legislation moving again? >> what it's going to take is president joe biden being just as concerned and aggressive when it came to his infrastructure bill, when it came to his build america bill. he has to be more aggressive. what it's going to take is people out there pulling pressure on senator tim scott, senator lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell to do more. senator tim scott a week ago came out and said, it was a bridge too far, democrats were trying to de-fund the police. i have been communicating with him and his office.
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do you know what we found out? senator tim scott, the very thing he is criticizing, he proposed last year. that is to reduce funding to police departments that don't make -- that don't pass those measures. he is criticizing democrats this year for something he proposed last year. >> is it all in his criticism, is it about the phrase de-fund the police? that just did not work. >> well, no, actually it works for his constituency. that's the point. which is why he is using the phrase. he knowstexting him this week. when i see the piece saying, you last year, called for the same thing, i have not heard from him in three days. have not heard from his staff.
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here is what i think should happen. i believe the george floyd family, breonna taylor, eric garner, those families should organize a day on capitol hill, march up those steps and say, mcconnell, graham, scott, we want you at the table, booker, durbin as well as schumer, at the table. we want you to sit in front of us and look us in the eye and tell us why this bill is not real. it's going to take public pressure. i gotta say this. all of those people, many of them white, who are protesting last year after george floyd's death, where are you? why are you not protesting now? heat, pressure etchert -- exerted make changes. you are not going to let 2021 go out without this bilk passed. pressure has to be applied. >> without that, is police
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reform a bill dead? it's doa. it's doa. i don't care -- they have been meeting for months. the reasons given are nonsense nonsense. most police unions agree with the compromise put forth by cory booker. it's tim scott, they send me the statement, that disagrees. we have the fraternal office of police and police chiefs agree with it. you have a couple who don't. republicans are siding with the couple that don't. that's why we have to be in their faces, protesting, showing up at town halls, wherever they go say, you have to move on this. >> okay. >> and president biden. he has to do more. >> i hope you get your luggage. i like the orange. people are going to notice you. >> i got it. >> good. roland, thank you. enjoy l.a. all good. .
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♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ a new report sheds light on what swing voters think of president biden and how he measures up to his predecessor. in a set of focus groups with trump-to-biden republicans, npr observed that, quote, none said they regret their vote in 2020 and while they may be disappointed in biden, they absolutely rule out voting for trump if he runs for president again. joining me now, sarah longwell, publisher for thebullwashing.com who organized this series of focus groups. thanks for joining us, sarah.
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what do you think the reasoning is behind this? >> they're frustrated with joe biden, no doubt. they don't like all the big spending plans. they're really frustrated with the way afghanistan was handled. but that doesn't mean they regret their decision. in fact the way that these swing voters talk is sort of like, they would have voted for a tomato can over donald trump, they're so glad he's gone. they talk about it like there was a car alarm going off for four years and it's finally stopped. they are still relieved not to have to listen to him, to deal with him every day. they are over him. if he were to ever run again, these people are never going back to donald trump. >> so they were clearly annoyed, because i heard a car alarm this morning when i was waking up, i was like, oh, please. this article goes on to say these swing voters do feel a little lost politically. how so and what does either party have to do to win them over for the next big election? >> the thing about these voters is they're still sort of center
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right voters. they think of themselves as republicans. but they're not trump republicans. and the more trumpy candidates get put forward, the more you see people like marjorie tame lore green, matt gaetz, people that trump endorsed, herschel walker, these voters are not interested in those candidates. but they don't think of themselves as democrats. the question is are democrats going to put up broadly appealing centrist candidates where these voters could potentially make a permanent home with that center left coalition? because they really are in this moment up for grabs. >> okay. so on the flip side from all these discussions, do you think the republican party, going all in on trumpism is going to help them or hurt them in the long run? or you can just look ahead to 2022 and 2024. >> i absolutely think it's going to hurt them, at least with these suburban, college-educated swing voters. more and more, that's who you are seeing just kind of move to the left. it's the reason that a lot of
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states like arizona, georgia, are getting a little more purple. it's because of college-educated suburban voters, maybe even especially women. and they have no interest in a trumpy republican party. and they don't feel part of a political coalition with a lot of these more extreme candidates. these are people who think that january 6 was really terrible. they're all vaccinated. they believe that the election was free and fair. and so that puts them at odds with the majority of republican voters who think that the election was stolen and think that january 6 was no big deal and are very skeptical of the vaccines. and so, you know, these are the people that if the republican party decides to go all in on trump, they're going to lose. the question for republicans is do they pick people up in that trade, former democratic voters who are maybe unionized who feel more culturally comfortable with
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credit crunch on capitol hill, power politics, and paychecks. treasury secretary janet yellen is warning of dire consequences if the debt ceiling isn't raised by october 19. >> america could default for the first time in history. the full faith and credit of the united states would be impaired and our country would likely face a financial crisis and economic recession as a result. >> if it happens, there would be plenty of blame to go around. 39% of those in a politico
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morning consult poll blame both parties. republicans want to force democrats to raise the debt limit on their own in a political calculation with an eye on the midterm elections. still 402 days away. currently the 538.com average of congressional polls has democrats leading republicans by more than three points, 45 to 41.7%. and a very good day to all of you. from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin with breaking news of a big oil spill off the coast of california. officials say more than 120,000 of gallons of oil were released, creating a slick that spans 13 square miles. beaches are closed from long beach to newport beach.

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