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abusive, though riley did concede there's a chance i've said something along the way that offended someone. reaction from some of women's soccer most decorated athletes was immediate. alex morgan tweeted the league was informed of these allegations multiple times and refused multiple times to investigate the allegations. her fellow olympian megan rapinoe adding men protecting men who are abusing women, and more fallout overnight, the nwsl announcing it's accepted the resignation of league commissioner lisa baird who earlier in the day accepted full responsibility and apologized for the pain the players are feeling. >> who do you think bears the most responsibility for not acting? >> i do think that most of the weight of this does have to fall on the nwsl as the actual front office running the league. >> reporter: the national women's soccer league says it's launching an investigation immediately into what happened and has set up an anonymous
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reporting system so that players can text their concerns and have them examined immediately. back to you. >> thank you for that. t. and a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin with the breaking news and a live look at today's women's march against abortion restrictions taking place right now around the united states. thousands of women taking to the streets in washington, d.c., you see there with a planned march to the supreme court coming up. and in texas, women braved rainy weather to make their voices heard. speaking out against the nation's strictest anti-abortion law going public and openly discussing what would otherwise be very personal and sensitive issues. >> if the texas gop was truly pro-life, they would hold all life at an equal value. they would do everything in their power to ensure that every
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texan had the resources they needed for a positive and healthy existence, but they don't. how can you be pro-life but force a rape victim to have her rapist's baby? how can you be pro-life and force a young girl to become a mother before she can even get her driver's license? >> more than 200,000 women are expected to turn at about 650 events around the country today. the senate is reconvening this hour to try and pass a short-term extension of the federal highway programs after they expired on thursday night. now, this vote comes as debate grows among democrats in the house and senate. at issue, when to vote on a $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. negotiations are also intensifying over a $3.5 trillion reconciliation package will take. we've got a team of reporters
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covering the latest negotiations on capitol hill as well as the women's marches across the country for you. welcome to all of you ladies, first we're going to go to nbc's julie tsirkin who's on capitol hill for us. >> reporter: if we firmed up one thing this week after a chaotic one on capitol hill, it's that the number for that human infrastructure package, the price tag, will be far lower than progressives were looking for. president biden behind closed doors in a meeting with house democrats last night told them that his range is between 1.9 to $2.3 trillion, far closer to the range that senator joe manchin is looking for in this human infrastructure package. here's what senator tina smith said on your air last hour. >> what we should do is build up from what we need to do, what we want to do, and then come to an agreement on what that number is. it's not going to be 3.5. i think we know that. what that final number is is going to be part of the negotiations. >> reporter: yeah, and smith
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there a democrat from minnesota, she knows how important the bipartisan infrastructure bill will be to her state. minnesota planning an expensive highway high speed rail project right now. she like her fellow democratic colleagues in the senate also know they need that human infrastructure package, that cradle to grave policies for americans like child care, paid family leave, climate change ask so on. but she also acknowledges there that they have to come down in the price tag and some of the priorities to meet senators manchin and sinema in the senate and get them on board. there are moderates in the house, one of them josh gottheimer, a new jersey democrat, he put out a really harsh statement after that meeting with president biden when he was told by speaker pelosi they won't be taking up that bipartisan bill this week. here's what he said. he said, quote, it's deeply regrettable that speaker pelosi breached her commitment to put the bipartisan plan on the floor for a vote, so there you have it, a high stakes couple of weeks for democrats to see whether they can get these two
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infrastructure bills on the finish line in the next few weeks, alex. >> that's the goal. okay, julie, tsirkin, thank you for that. let's go from there to heidi przybyla who's standing by at the white house with new reaction from the president for u. what are we hearing from president biden about how long it's going to take democrats to reach an agreement? >> reporter: that's actually the one thing the president feems like he achieved there was releasing the pressure valve on the time line. speaker pelosi set this self-imposed deadline of this week for a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure deal. he went up there and really kind of reset the table to allow for a more fulsome debate on both measures, potentially moving together, alex. while that has rankled moderates, the president does believe and administration officials believe eventually they're going to calm down and the two sides will come together again on something a little bit more reasonable, maybe in the middle about 2.1 or 1.9 to maybe 2.3 trillion, and the president
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said he does believe that at the end of the day, whether it's now or whether it's several weeks from now, they will get a deal. here's what he said. >> look, i am a realist. i was a senator a long time. i know how legislation gets done. there is no reason why both these bills couldn't pass independently, except that there's not the votes to do it that way. it's a simple proposition. so i think it makes sense. i support both of them, and i think we can get them both done. we can bring the moderates together very easily. two more votes. >> reporter: the president is assuming that both sides, progressives and moderates understand that they were both elected on the same agenda, so they're not going to get any republican votes. they've got to understand that if they fail this will be a case of mutually assured destruction in the elections. he is counting on that. he also, alex, gave them a little bit of a framework beyond
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just, you know, here's a number and let's come together. he said why don't you go in there, pick what your top line priorities are, whether it's the child care tax credit or universal pre-k, medicare expansion, and then look at possibly narrowing the window on those instead of committing to ten years, commit to five years, and you're hearing today on our air a lot of members now including the senator talk in that manner that maybe that's a way that they can try and narrow their differences. but to your original question, we are not being given a time line, and that's the big change from earlier this week. >> it may turn out to be a good one. heidi przybyla, thank you so much. let's have a bit more on the breaking news from across the country. thousands of women's rights advocates are making their voices heard at hundreds of rallies coast to coast. this comes just days before the supreme court will reconvene after the majority opted not to block a near total ban on abortions in the state of texas. monitoring those womens' marches for us, nbc stephanie stanton in
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austin, texas, and laura eagan in washington, d.c. starting with you here, stephanie, let's talk about the size of the crowds there in austin. how big are they, and how boisterous? >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon to you, alex. this of course is ground zero for that abortion law. we are here at the state capitol in austin. the crowd i would say is pretty sizable. this has been going on for over three hours now. we had at least thousands, maybe 5,000 people here, all of them very passionate about this issue. they are calling upon the biden administration, the u.s. supreme court to put a halt to this pretty much what they say is an out and out ban on abortion here in the state of texas. let's review it for you, this legislation was passed more than a month ago on september 1st. it prevents abortions once there is a heartbeat, and as we know, that is roughly six weeks along, and most women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. so they are very, you know, all
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the people here are activists, organizers, the organizers tell me that people are here from all across the country. i spoke to kim taylor. she is one of the main organizers. i talked to her earlier this morning. she says this new law is not representative of most new texans. she says that 87% of texans are actually against sb 8. against this abortion ban. she says it was only passed by a small minority of gop republicans. she and others want this overturned immediately. >> it's still something we're unfortunately have to work on to make sure that these girls, you know, have autonomy over themselves and their body. >> this is about control, it's about a woman taking back her power over her own body because nobody knows what the situation that individual woman is going through. >> i think all of the states where conservatism kind of rules
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the day are going to jump on this, and it feels very scary to me in that regard. >> reporter: and again, organizers calling on the supreme court to put an end to this ban. the supreme court starting its new term on monday, october 4th, in which they will be hearing another case related to abortion. that is the mississippi case, and that ruling, which ever way it goes, could have implications for all women and abortions across this country. the bottom line is that these organizers want to restore a woman's right to choose here in texas. >> that is definitely the bottom line, stephanie stanton there at self-described ground zero in austin. let's go to lauren eagan in the nation's capitol. there's going to be a big march coming up. we're in the middle of a rally. that's going to wane shortly at freedom plaza. what concerns are you hearing from all the women there? >> alex, i'm hearing a lot of
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fear, anger, and outrage, particularly targeted to different things. first, that texas law, i've heard from a lot of people this morning that they're really worried that texas will just be the first of many states to enact the sort of ban on abortion. it it's just going to continue to spread across the country. second, that supreme court is going to hear early in december, there's a lot of fear that the new justices on the court are going to rule to overturn roe v. wade. i really can't underscore the amount of anger and fear and outrage that we've heard from people this morning. listen to what one person had to say about why they decided to come down here today. >> i don't want any woman in america to have to think about going back to the days where women died due to back alley abortions. it's better to keep them safe. abortion isn't going to go away if we overturn roe, and young women and women across america deserve to have access to health care and abortion is health
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care. >> reporter: alex, the speaking portion of the rally is wrapping up right behind me right now, pretty soon participants are going to walk from where i am now down pennsylvania avenue to the supreme court, and they hope that their presence there really makes an impact and is heard by the justices when they reconvene on monday. >> you know, i think it's somewhat symbolic that they're going to be walking along constitution avenue. so thank you for that, and we'll see you in the next hour. coming up next, the next round of subpoenas from the january 6th committee, why saying no to showing up in congress might not be such a good idea. trump sued her, she won. omarosa manigault newman is going to talk about her legal victory and what it could mean for the former president's niece, mary trump. that's ahead. resident's niece, mary trump. that's ahead
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the house committee investigating the january 6th riots on capitol hill is moving full steam ahead. this week issuing 11 new subpoenas and it comes as new reporting from the guardian says donald trump is planning to sue to block the release of white house records from his administration to the committee. joining me now the reporter who wrote that story, hugo lowell, congressional reporter for "the guardian." welcome back to the broadcast. tell us about your reporting on this, and has there been any movement? >> i think it says a lot about how the investigation is progressing, right? because on the surface of this, they now have 11 new subpoenas targeting people involved in the women for america first movement. organizers of the rally and the march that descended into the capital attack, but most interesting to me is what was in the bottom of the letters, which was that these people were targeted not so much because they organized the rally but more because they had communications with the trump white house the day before the capital attack and specifically
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with trump's former white house chief of staff mark meadows. of course he was subpoenaed last week, and it all goes to show that while the investigation is looking at these people, they're looking at these people insofar as maybe trump or the trump white house played a role. >> so i'm going to get into details in a second, but the strategy of claiming executive privilege, can that work, or does it just serve to delay the whole process by creating this long, drawn out legal mess? >> i think the former president -- and i've spoken to a number of people connected to him still down in mar-a-lago -- and the idea here is that the move to challenge the subpoenas and the release of records to the january 6th committee is a delay in process. the president, the former president doesn't really believe that these records are going to be like hidden from public view forever. the aim is to block these as far
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ahead as possible. the trouble is, of course, that if he is eventually forced to turn these over, maybe in spring 2022, this is going to be a bit of a problem because it could be a bit of a role reversal in the way the -- came out just before the 2016 elections, and if this has the same effect before the midterms, the gop could be in a politically very difficult place. >> absolutely. could be punting to like a more controversial time in terms of what he expects. let's talk about the details of the reporting here. so in terms of these top aides, former chief of staff mark meadows, deputy chief of staff, dan scavino, steve bannon, kash patel. the president wanting them all to defy their subpoenas. but chairman benny thompson said the committee will issue criminal referrals to witness who is refuse to obey subpoena deadlines. how do you see this playing out? are these aides more inclined to listen to their former boss or congress because could jail time
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be among the penalties for defying the subpoena? >> that's a good question, and i spoke to at least a handful of those men targeted in the first tranche of subpoenas this week, and by and large, they all say we're waiting for instructions from the former president and america first and from the legal team shared by those two entities, and the expectation from trump world is that these aides do not testify, and trump has made it very clear through intermediaries and through personal communications. although i understand trump has not instructed kash patel or steve bannon on matters to defy them. that's not how the president operates. there's an expectation of loyalty to him that he thinks will prevent them from come playing with the orders. but it's true, and thompson is saying as well as adam schiff, a member of the committee is saying they could be up for criminal prosecution if they don't comply with the subpoenas. and when the hard and fast reality hits them that they may be referred to the u.s. attorney
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for the district of columbia, the likely prosecuting body here, this could be a very, very different proposition than when you're sitting at home and getting emails from the former president. >> what do you think the committee is hoping to learn from those subpoenas just before the mob left for the capitol? >> the committee always said they wanted to examine the organization before the rally, they want to see the funding and how people were bussed in to the district before the rally and the march up to the capitol that eventually descended into the capitol attack. but you know, this is very interesting. they're looking at these 11 people insofar as they're connected to the former president. there are some individuals who of have come up before. there's the niece of former white house chief of staff mick mul mulvaney, the spokesperson for the 2016 campaign for donald trump. these are people who were intimately involved in the president's orbit, either before his presidency or during his presidency. but what they are interested in
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is communications that they've had with the former president and the trump white house in the days and weeks leading up to the capitol attack, and that's significant because if you take a broad look at this, it all goes to show they're still focusing on the oval office. >> okay, hugo lowell of the guardians, thank you so much. in a moment, omarosa tells us how she beat donald trump in court and why it could be a nightmare for him. plus, her take on disturbing revelations on the latest white house insider trump tell-all. trl e can be a minefield for young homeowners who have turned into their parents. can you believe how many different types of water they have in this aisle? kim, did you just change blades back there? -ah. -this is perfect. jackpot. variety pack. remember, it's a football game, not a play date. roger that. one more slice. it can be a lot. oh, good, the manager. uh, brian in produce -- very helpful. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us. -pulls to the left a little bit. -nope.
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a major new legal blow for donald trump in a case involving one of the many nondisclosure agreements his former aides were asked to sign. a new york arbitrator ruling in favor of omarosa manigault newman calling the nda unenforceable because of vague and indefinite language that didn't meet common legal standards. trump's campaign is now on the
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hook for her years worth of legal fees with this case filed back in 2018. and joining me now is omarosa manigault newman, former senior white house official under president trump and of course author of the number one new york times best seller "unhinged: an insider's account of the trump white house." welcome, i'm so glad to talk to you about this. i immediately thought of you i've got to get her on the show and talk about this. this is a huge win for you. are you feeling a little bit like david against goliath here? how much does donald trump have to pay to cover your legal fees? >> thank you so much for having me on. i would love to say i feel relieved. remember, this is just one of two lawsuits donald trump brought against me. heweaponized the justice department, as much as i'm glad this three-year battle is over,
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i'm still wrangling with that lawsuit he filed through the justice department. >> do you think anything about this lawsuit helps you in a favorable way with the second one? >> well, certainly i believe that now people can see that this type of lawsuit was clearly retaliatory and no other explanation but donald trump wanted revenge. and he did so while being a sitting president, which is unprecedented to go after his political rivals or people who criticized him while sitting in the oval office. so certainly i believe that in my other case, folks will take note and see that it's probably the third or fourth case brought under that particular act, and the fines are extraordinary. they're asking for $60,000 when it should be like a $100 fine. hopefully it will be resolved soon and i can, in fact, feel relieved that finally these battles are over. >> yeah. i'm curious, you make a very good point that the suits were
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brought against you while president trump was a sitting president, and you won this case, the one we're talking about based on the filing not meeting certain legal standards. we're talking about the president of the united states hiring attorneys to work for him. what does that say about trump's legal team? >> well, i think it says that donald trump is going to just grab attorneys who may not be concerned about getting paid because we know that he is not consistent in paying his counsel. so i don't know that he always hires the best counsel, but it also says something about donald trump's concerns, like why would you spend $3700000000000 million trying to silence me. what was it he was afraid i would share about the subpoena 17 years i've worked with him, that i've been in his orbit and i've seen him act in ways that are just quite unhinged. >> there you have the title. trump filed suit against you,
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pardon me, there's another high profile suit recently brought against donald trump's niece, as well as the "new york times." do you think your victory sets some sort of a precedent now? what does this mean overall for trump's nda's with former aides? >> there was a case prior to mine, the denson case that also helped my case. i think together it does in fact invalidate all those useless ndas that really were designed to allow donald trump to be the arbiter of what was confidential and what could be shared. and not only did these ndas have this far reach, but they were forever. so he was seeking to keep me silent for the rest of my life. >> yeah, well, let's move now to the upcoming new book by former trump press secretary and campaign aide, stephanie krish grish am. in an excerpt obtained by nbc nice, grisham writes when trump
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met with vladimir putin in japan in 2019, he told i'm going to act a little tough with you for a few minutes but it's for the cameras. and afternoon they leave we'll talk, and you understand. according to a manuscript, grisham writes trump's temper was, quote, terrifying and that she saw how his temper wasn't just shock value or for the cameras. the names reporting grisham details how donald trump yelled at melania trump for wearing that jacket that said i really don't care, do you. telling her, quote, what the hell were you thinking? trump has come out criticizing his former top aides saying in part that grisham wrote bad and untrue things about him and said she'd become very angry and bitter after a breakup. to you, omarosa does any of what grisham writes surprise you? do you believe this is an honest accounting or the words of someone who's angry and bitter? >> they sound very familiar. they're revelations i wrote
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about three years ago in my book. i shared about his reaction to the jacket. i shared that donald trump had this tremendous temper and sometimes if you're on the receiving end of it, it was quite terrifying, and at the time when stephanie was in the office and i shared these revelations she called them all lies. she said that they weren't true, and then here she is writing the same exact tales in a different book with a different cover. so i don't know what her motivation is. i had a good relationship with stephanie -- uh-oh, she -- can you hear me? i hear the control room. >> no, i'm sorry, that was a mistake. what was your relationship with stephanie? you said you had a good relationship with her. >> i did. i mean, let's just call it what it is, stephanie was the ultimate party girl on the campaign. that's when i met her. she was the fun girl. she liked to drink and party and have a good time, and so that's kind of how i knew her as a communications staffer, she was mediocre at best. but we saw that because she was afraid to take questions. she never had a press
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conference. it just kind of is what it is. now she's writing a book. some of the revelations are comical that's come out. i'd like to see the full book once it comes out. i wish her well. a lot of these stories have already been told, alex. >> so here's the question, and i'll ask it at the end, according to the "new york times" grisham writes in her book she should have spoken up more. there's a new "new york times" opinion piece, columnist frank brew knee says sorry stephanie grisham, you're not redeemed. in your mind, is she looking for redemption? i guess here's the question, beyond the money, why does anyone write a tell-all? why did you? because look at what you go through. i mean, look what happened. you got a lawsuit. i mean, it's not an easy process to write that book, put it out there, publicize it, and then wait and see what happens. >> i wrote my book because the truth matters and i work for the american people, and i believe that they had a right to know what was happening in the oval office. on air force one, in the cabinet
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room, what was it like when this president was making decisions that would impact each of their lives. they had a right to know what was going on behind the scenes. that's why i wrote the book because the truth matters. what about the house select committee that's investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol issuing 11 more subpoenas, all for people who helped organize the rally right before the mob went on the attack. among them, 2016 trump campaign spokesperson katrina pierson. i've interviewed her. i know that you know her. are you surprised by this? >> i'm not really surprised because not only was katrina one of the organizers, but she was behind the money, you know, and every scandal, it's always follow the money. and because she was so involved with raising money and organizing the events, i believe the committee is right in subpoenaing her. she's going to have a lot of information, and she had a lot of insight on what they knew and when, and i truly believe
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because of donald trump's violent instincts that he knew that things would probably get out of hand, so yes, katrina should be very concerned, and we'll see what happens, but the committee is on the right track. >> do you think what katrina has to say, what potentially the other four trump advisers who were previously served that includes steve bannon, do you think what these people have to say could potentially incriminate donald trump? and if so, who has that kind of evidence or experience, if you will, and will they say it if they appear before the committee? >> well, don't you think that donald trump has already incriminated himself? i mean, just by virtue of the fact that he would not take the steps to protect the capitol on that day, that he refused to call up the national guard, that he did not care that his vice president was in peril. but certainly, if these folks will come forward and tell the truth, then all roads point back to 1600 pennsylvania avenue and donald trump was closely involved and spearheading this effort. >> okay. well, that's a wrap for this
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time, i'll look forward to seeing you again, omarosa, thank you so much. we'll remind folks about the book again, it's "unhinged: an insiders account of the trump why is house." the book at the center of this battle which you just won. thank you. strong words from a member of the january 6th committee, why he says they're not playing games with trump aides threatening to defy subpoenas. ts threatenintog defy subpoenas. l customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you? one! two! three! four! five! 72,807! 72,808... dollars. yep... everything hurts. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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january 6th committee grows, new reaction today from one member, congressman jamie raskin turning up the heat on trump aides who are threatening to defy those requests. >> we're not going to play these games that we saw during the trump administration where they treated a congressional subpoena like some kind of optional thing or some kind of hide and go seek game. that's not what it is. this is deadly serious stuff. we're asking for information, and we owe a comprehensive report to the american people. >> and joining me now, congressman mad lean dean, and former impeachment manager, we should note. let's get to chairman benny thompson who's saying the committee would issue criminal referrals to witnesses who refuse to obey subpoena deadlines. what is your reaction to this?
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if mark meadows decides not to testify, he could ultimately end up behind bars? >> this is deadly serious. i commend the chairman for the work he and the entire committee are doing and the serious nature with which they are taking this investigation. we owe it to democracy. what they are examining is not just a question of our past and what happened on january 6th. it is a question of our future and will this attempted coup happen again. i'm very pleased with the chairman, jamie raskin, of course, is just a constitutional scholar and a mentor and a friend. he's absolutely right, this is deadly serious. what we saw under the previous administration, you were a witness to it when we subpoenaed don mcgahn, for example, how long it took. >> two years. >> yes. >> two years. >> and finally an agreement that he came before us. we can't do that anymore. one of the things that i have is legislation that has also been
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incorporated in a much larger bill, which is the bill that is protecting american democracy because that's really what's at stake here is a subpoena compliance bill, so democrats even with a democracy in the white house, are prepared to move forward and make sure that we hold every president accountable to the law, that no president is above the law as we saw mr. trump tried to hold himself. >> 11 new subpoenas being issued this week from the committee focusing on the organizers of the event there on january 6th. what kind of role could these people have played? what are the questions you want to have answered from this? i should note that you may have heard my interview with omarosa in the last segment. she pointed to katrina pierson, she said, look, she was all about the money. is that a question for you, where the money came from for this rally? >> what i kept saying is we were preparing for impeachment trial number two was what did the president know and when did he know it. what did those around him know
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and when did they know it, and who funded what? you're absolutely right. follow the money. millions of dollars were poured into the event that took place on january 6th that resulted in insurrection. americans attacking americans. so absolutely, whether it's mr. bannon, chief of staff mark meadows and all of the other players, we need to know what they knew, who funded what, and when did they know it. it is very telling that after the insurrection took place that president trump, then president trump did not immediately call for help. it's very revealing of his state of mind, of what he had hoped would happen that day, that all hell would break loose as mr. bannon is quoted as saying. >> and his reaction to what he was witnessing there. the chairman said more subpoenas will be coming out shortly. to whom, potentially, who do you want to see come to testify?
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>> i don't know. but certainly his campaign folks who were part of the funding of this. any of the speakers that day on 1/6, but also the republican leadership in the house. why is it that mr. mccarthy came out after the insurrection and said the president was responsible? why is it that he also came out in favor of and helped the negotiation of an independent commission and then suddenly turned around, went against his own member, withdrew his support for the independent commission, suddenly distanced himself from the president's known wrongdoing. what does mr. mccarthy have to hide and other members of the republican party, of the republican caucus, what do they have to hide that they want to call january 6th another tourist event. there's something they must be hiding. let's take a look at their phone records, with whom were they speaking, with whom was anybody planning. >> i mean, the infrastructure
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negotiations, president biden spoke with you and your fellow house democrats yesterday on the hill. what's your takeaway from that meeting, and did it bring you, ultimately you ask your colleagues closer or further away from the finish line? >> well, alex, you know, yesterday was a fantastic day for our congress. i have to tell you that. we are like a very big family, and i come from a very big family, so it's not always smooth and easy, but there was real progress yesterday. we had had quite a long caucus earlier in the day, and then the president joined us for what was a standing room only caucus. even was there. he was extraordinarily well received, and what it showed me was real unity. unity behind these two programs, unity behind a president and his vision, but unity for the american people because of the possibilities of these programs. how they will lift children out of poverty, how we will better educate children with universal pre-k. when we offer free community college, think of the economic
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engine that will be and will free young people from the burden, the heavy burden of college debt. so between paid family leave, social security expansion to cover vision, dental, hearing, sounds like that should have already been in social security frankly, but if we actually do this and fund these incredibly important programs, they will lift the many. it will lift our gdp. it will tamp down on inflation. it will grow jobs. so yesterday i found to be a very forward moving day of greater unity come out of the second caucus with the president because we see what this can do for the american people. >> can i ask you about the image that you have over your left shoulder there? i notice it's ruth bader ginsburg. this on a day when across this country women are marching to protect abortion rights, a woman's right to choose. reflect on the makeup of the
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court without ruth bader ginsburg and the fact that amy coney barrett replaced her. >> tragic. ask that's why i do love having ruth bader ginsburg, justice ginsburg look over my shoulder. that was given to me by a friend of mine who is a leading independent woman of perhaps a generation older than i, and i learned from her. i thank her for that. it is tragic what has happened to the supreme court with the stacking of the court by mr. trump who has no understanding of the constitution or curiosity about it. what the supreme court did in the texas case is staggering. these are supposedly constitutional scholars, and yet what they did by allowing that law to go into effect was, to me, unconstitutional because the law of the land is roe v. wade. so how they allowed texas to strip women of their rights of abortion services to try to
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chill women's rights to health care, and they're having that effect, it's shocking. and to me it's unconstitutional, literally by the actions of a supreme court on a friday afternoon without really putting their money where their mouth was. i honor these women who are marching. they are marching in the spirit of ruth bader ginsburg, and we will prevail on this one. >> something that we're showing, i should say to our viewers, live pictures of that march. they are going from freedom plaza right to the supreme court. they're making their way down pennsylvania avenue as well as constitution avenue apropos indeed. madeleine dean, always good to speak with you, my friend. thank you so much for joining us. >> good to be with you. drawing the line and making star players lose part of their salary. a doctor weighs in next on the trouble in the nba over vaccine resistance. trouble in the nba o resistance except now you have uncontrollable body movements
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today a staggering new figure on the toll coronavirus has taken on americans. more than 700,000 people have died from covid here in the u.s. nearly 100,000 people passed away since mid-june, months after vaccines were available to adults. joining me is dr. ebony hilton, associate profess in anesthesiology and critical care medicine at the university of virginia. doctor, that is a staggering statement i just had to say about those who died, right? it's since the vaccine were available. "new york times," in fact, reporting it. people who died in the last three and a half months, they were concentrated in the south. that is a region that has certainly lagged in vaccinations and in august, every age group under 55 had its highest death toll of the pandemic. what is your reaction to this? why is the south being hit so hard? why are younger people dying? >> the reaction is, it's very sad. because what we know is that when we had these numbers of
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4,000 or 2,000 people dying a day back in the wintertime, we didn't really have a choice. we didn't have a vaccine. but now we do and we see the consequences of politics. we see the consequences of misinformation. that is truly hitting the south in a way that i anticipated this back in march of 2020 when i said what happens in new york city, new york city, you have 62 hospitals. in the deep south, like south carolina, there are literally 8 counties without a single hospital. we cannot afford to have a massive uprising of people getting infected and what we see the consequences of that is that people die and it truly is unfortunate. >> well, here's something that may be a glimmer of hope, certainly, the drug maker, merck, says its experimental pill for people with covid reduced hospitalizations and deaths by about half. mercking on tested on unvaccinated individuals but fda regulators may now consider authorizing it for people with breakthrough covid symptoms and in your mind, how promising is this new drug?
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do you think it could offer unvaccinated a false hope or would it give them an excuse not to get vaccinated? >> it really is one of those things. i think we in the united states became very obsessed with just the death count, unfortunately, and it is unfortunate. when we think about 700,000 people dying, we haven't had that much death as far as a.i.d.s. in the united states since the 1980s and this happened within 18 months but when we talk about covid-19, there are more consequences than just hospitalization and death, and it comes in the form of long covid, of which we're estimating 1 in every 3, 1 in every 4 people who become infected with covid-19 will have long standing, at least six months to a year, of permanent organ dysfunction, and what does that do to you body? we know that viruses have been linked in the past to different forms of cancers. will we see that covid-19 also is linked to cancers like hpv? we know that hpv virus is linked to cancer. we know that we have e.d.d. virus linked to cancers.
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will covid-19 also be linked to cancers? we have no clue, so why are we willingly getting infected with something that we don't know the long-term consequences of what may happen to our bodies in 5, 10, 15 years from now. although i am very grateful we have this new tool kit, our tool to put in our kit with this merck pill, i don't think that people should rely on that pill after you get infected. we should be doing things to prevent infection and that's going to be our vaccination. >> absolutely. let me turn to the fallout from lebron james, who's speaking out about getting vaccinated. take a listen to this. >> i was very skeptical about it all but after doing my research and things of that nature, i felt like it was best suited for not only me but for my family and friends and you know, that's why i decided to do it. >> so, he also went on to say it's, quote, not my job to push vaccines on other players. do you think he missed the mark there with that statement? because also with the level of influence that black athletes,
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black celebrities have in the community, is it unfair to put that responsibility on them, to encourage others to get vaccinated? i mean, overall, what we played there, was that enough, that message? >> i think, you know, with great power comes great responsibility and people look up to lebron james. we know that he is very much a family man. he's a community man, which is why i really do hope he listens to this message. lebron has three children. the youngest of which i think is six years old. i have a 6-year-old niece right now who is not able to get vaccinated. and the life experience of his 6-year-old daughter and my 6-year-old niece is completely different and when people listen to his messaging and say that maybe i can also have this privilege of being able to not take the vaccine right now, to wait, if they get infected and come around my little niece, we don't have the infrastructure in place and the safety nets in place that may be able to keep her and her classmates alive. and what we know is that just yesterday, 2,482 persons in the
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united states of america died. that's 1 in every 34 seconds and if you think about an average nba game, lebron james, that was 265 americans who died during that 2.5 hours that we were playing basketball. that's the weight of what this hesitation can cost and if you're thinking about the stapled center, 700,000 americans now dead, well, the staples center holds 19,000 people. fill it up 37 times with women, men, children, old, young, poor, rich, republican, democrat, fill it up 37 times and that's the number of people that have now died from covid-19. it is not worth the hesitation. we have to be very, very confident when we tell people that we have to take the vaccine and do what we can do to mitigate the spread. >> dr. ebony hilton, that analogy, pretty incredible about the staples center. thank you so much. if you want to know what may have motivated some haitian migrants to risk their very lives to come to this country,
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we're going to go to that country and show you next. go t country and show you next.
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new insight now into what haitians, hundreds of them, in fact, of the migrants, what they're dealing with as they're being returned back to their homeland. officials in the bahamas and cuba intercepted several boats from haiti. nbc's jacob soboroff is there. >> reporter: we're at a food distribution location run by the world food program in an area hard hit by the earthquake in august of this year. when we talk about the conditions that the biden administration is sending haitians back to, this is an extreme situation. but one thing to understand about what's happening here is that the conditions on the ground existed before the earthquake and they exist throughout haiti. come with me. i want to show you something. these are some of the -- these are call jerry cans. they're giving them rice, beans. this is a hygiene kit from


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