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it is good to be with you. i'm geoff bennett. don't call it a comeback. and don't call it a setback either. that's the word from top democrats who say there's still time to bridge the gap between progressives and moderate holdouts and clinch a deal that would give president biden a top to bottom infrastructure overhaul and the biggest expansion of the social safety net since medicare. another sign that talks may be
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moving in the right direction, the white house says the president is headed to capitol hill next hour to address democrats behind closed doors. much more on that in a minute. meantime, the leader of the house progressives is projecting cautious optimism. >> i feel very good about where we are and i feel very confident we're going to be able to deliver both these things. but you're going to have to give us some time, because it does take time to put together these kinds of transformational investments. >> reporter: are you talking to your members about doing a second reconciliation bill next year? is that one way to get them on board? >> a reconciliation bill next year is not excluded necessarily. >> that wasn't a confirmation but it also wasn't a denial. and house speaker nancy pelosi isn't one to mince words. is that the path under secret discussion to bridge the gap for progressives to meet joe manchin at his number with assurances
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from the top that they'll follow with another bill next year? we'll see. it's not just progressives under pressure to give a little. senator manchin got an earful while on his houseboat from west virginia constituents who found a creative way to deliver their message. look at this. >> it's incredibly powerful. 80% of your constituents want this bill. >> i just want to do the right thing. >> anybody from west virginia? all over west virginia. >> morgantown! >> god bless you. >> thanks for coming out. >> we are working on it, we really are. we are going to continue. we are going to get a good bill, and i know it won't be enough for [ inaudible ]. >> there's a lot of poverty. >> there's a ton of poverty. >> we are doing everything we can to [ inaudible ]. >> we're counting on you, senator. we're counting on you, senator.
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>> out there with boats and kay aks. joining us now, ali vitali, heather cagle, and former senior adviser to joe manchin, jonathan kott, welcome to the three of you. ali, we learned last hour that president biden is headed to the hill to meet with the house democratic caucus. what does that suggest, might a deal be imminent here? >> we're not at the imminent deal stage yet. certainly it shows a ramping up from the white house, president biden ran as somebody who could get things done and show how washington could work. his pitch was bringing republicans and democrats along. certainly the story of his presidency at least this summer into the early fall has been how he can bring both sides of his own party along. certainly a test of biden's
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diplomacy here on the hill as he meets with house democrats. i'm struck that in that meeting, they already had a caucus meeting this morning, things that were talked about there leaking out into the press as they so often do, i'm struck by the fact that for this notice of this coming meeting with the president, they're advising no cellphones. i think an attempt to try to keep the meeting within the family, at least until members start spilling out where all of us will be waiting for them. i'm struck in your introduction by what congresswoman pramila jayapal said on the part of progressives. there is consternation right now whether they need to see a vote on reconciliation or whether a framework would be enough. what we've seen from democrats on the progressive side is trying to shift the conversation away from the price tag, which certainly is lower than that initial $3.5 trillion that we had all been talking about up until just the last day or so. instead of focusing on that price tag, they're trying to shift the conversation onto the actual policy that could be included here, things like free
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college and childcare, things that have been crucial to the progressive and frankly overall democratic agenda for a while. but that's clearly the conversation that they are trying to have. and in my conversation with sources here, that's what they want the conversation to focus on, less on the dollar signs and more on the actual policy that could end up in this reconciliation bill. that being said, though, we're seeing members canceling their flights, in acknowledgement that today, which is technically a continuation of yesterday, will continue to be a long one. >> according to the way the house works out its scheduling here. heather, help us understand this here, because the house speaker says she's eyeing a vote today but progressive democrats in the house said they'll need more time to work out a deal with the moderates in the senate but they'll feel comfortable voting on this bipartisan infrastructure plan. so then how conceivably could all of this come together today? >> well, i think one of the key things up here that everyone says is, never count out nancy pelosi. if anyone can get this done when it seems like it's impossible,
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it would be the speaker. and so with that in mind, most democrats that i've talked to don't think they actually have a vote today. they do not think that they bring a deal together today, with the caveat, though, that with pelosi anything is possible, and she really is going all out to do everything she can to try to bring together this massive deal that would include buy-in from senators manchin and sinema. senator sinema is not in washington right now, she's in arizona, so they're talking to her remotely. it would include a public endorsement from the white house and a buy-in from the progressives and from the moderates over here. what we're seeing this afternoon is she's really turning up the pressure points. she's having biden come to the hill, that's pretty extraordinary. there's not a deal within reach but i think a lot of her members have felt like they've been left out of these conversations. she's been paying attention to senators manchin and sinema and not any of them, they feel left out. i think this afternoon is more a
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pep rally than anything else. right now as we speak she's in her office meeting with progressives, she's also on the phone with the white house. i know she's talking to the senate. i think she's doing literally everything that she can to try to get a deal today and wants to keep that on the table, will not pull it off the table until she absolutely has to. but there is a lot of skepticism just given how the negotiations have gone so far. and the two sides are still about five to $600 billion apart which is of course a huge amount of money. >> let's talk about the manchin factor in all of this and bring in jonathan kott. you worked for senator manchin for seven years. help us understand what animates him. his critics say he is an attention seeker. they don't always say that necessarily in a negative way. but take a look at this picture, this is yesterday, when the senator made clear, publicly, for the first time where he stands on the reconciliation bill. what his top line is and what his red lines are. you see him at the center of that scrum. i talked to a source who texted
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me this picture and said, manchin loves this, there are 48 other democratic senators to exclude kyrsten sinema who could have operated this way and chose not to. why is he? >> i think he just likes to get stuff done and if that puts him at the center of the debate, so be it. he's not seeking attention, he's seeking to get things done. he loves to be in the room when people sit and hash out a bill. he famously would drag people into the governor's mansion and keep them there until they worked out a deal. he's not doing that now, but he wants everybody to come together and get a deal. he did that on the infrastructure deal and now he's hoping to do that on the reconciliation bill. he's laid out what he's interested in. he's not interested in just putting out a number and then filling in the programs. she's interested in figuring out what works best for the country and what works best for west virginia and then finding a way
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to get that done. so i mean, if the side effect is that the press seems to, you know, circle around him like they were yesterday, but i think his positions are clear. he just wants to get something done at the end of the day. >> why isn't he for that social spending bill? we heard the protesters there who sort of took boats and kayaks up to his houseboat and talked about west virginia's high poverty, exceptionally high child poverty, and they get a "d" from the society of civil engineers on infrastructure. one would think a senator from that state would be happy to have spending on infrastructure and social spending. not for nothing, i've done a number of reporting trips to west virginia. when i talk to people there about their senator, they not only know who joe manchin is, they know him personally. most people don't know who represents them in congress but when i go to west virginia, they know joe manchin, they know him personally, as you mentioned, he's a known quantity. why doesn't he operate like that? >> he does operate like that. he helped pass a trillion-dollar
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spending bill on infrastructure that's going to help his state and the country. now he's trying to help pass a multitrillion dollar reconciliation bill that will definitely help children in poverty and seniors in poverty. what he said yesterday and what he's laid out continuously in the seven years i worked for him, he wants to make sure the people who need the help are getting the help. he doesn't want to make a bill that helps somebody who makes $400,000 get a program. he wants to make sure the people in west virginia are actually getting it. i would point out, yes, when he goes back to the state, everybody knows him and he talks to everybody. he will stop, he is there for hours. last night when they rode up on the river, i'm not shocked that he went out and talked to them. he will talk to any west virginian, anywhere, any time, he listens to them and goes back to d.c. and tries to do what they've told him to do. that's what i think he's doing
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now and last year and will be doing next year. >> jonathan kott, heather cagle, and ali vitali, thanks for starting me off this hour. democratic congressman spark bocan from wisconsin, what more do you need to hear to move forward? some folks say they want a framework, others say they want an actual vote. what is it? >> first, thanks for having me. what we want is exactly what's happening, movement. earlier this week there was zero dollars for the build back better act, now we're talking about a couple of trillion dollars . we're talking about the policies, the most important part. we want to know what policies we can get in this bill and then we'll have a final product. so i think the certainty of something that's very binding is what's important. you know, whether it be a vote, whether it be something else to show there won't be changes, that someone will go back on
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their word. everything is moving right now. that's a good thing. i'm confident that whether it be today or whether it be a week from now, we are on a path forward to get both these bills done. >> i want to move away from the process and talk about the substance. if this reconciliation bill moves from $3.5 trillion to, let's say, $1.5 trillion, what does that mean in a real way for the agenda items that you say you care about, expanded pre-k, affordable childcare, free college, what does that mean for those items? >> already the number goes up, we're close to keeping almost everything in the proposal which is what we wasn't. for the average person back in my state of wisconsin, childcare is huge, we're told it's the number one thing holding people back from going and taking some jobs. things like expanded medicare, lower prescription drug costs for families. the great part about the build back better agenda is it cuts taxes for 40 million american families via the child tax credit and lowers their cost via
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lower prescription drugs and help on childcare and community college and all these other things. it also will create millions of jobs, many of them tackling climate change. and it's paid for. and that's a good package for the american people. we want to get as close as possible to president biden's vision and i think we can still get there. >> what's your reaction to those who say that democrats talk about this social spending bill like it's a safety net program for the poor, when it's really a government subsidy engine for everybody including the rich? we just heard jonathan kott, former aide to senator manchin, say that senator manchin wants to make sure the money goes to people who really need it. what's your reaction to that? >> it's doing just that, that's the whole point. if you can make sure no one pays more than 7% of their income for childcare, that's a game changer for real people across the country including in west virginia and arizona as well as wisconsin. so, you know, we want to keep these things as intact as possible. and the good part of it is that it's paid for. and i think that's the real
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challenge we're having. it's not that there's a few democrats who aren't quite on board fully yet, although i think everyone is working together to get there. it's that big pharm and the special interests are fighting that build back better agenda. that's what we're really fighting. most of us just want to get this done as soon as possible because this is a huge win for the american people. and it will be a huge loss for the thousands of special interests that unfortunately dominate this town. >> progressives throughout this process, i think it's fair to say, have been more organized than they have in recent years. and it's been effective. what have you and your progressive colleagues in the house under the leadership of congresswoman jayapal learned from this episode that might be useful going forward in future negotiations? >> when you believe in something deeply, values, how our caucus is connected, you're able to work together better, right? it's not transactional, it's not about getting a bridge for your district. this is a core value, that your constituents have childcare,
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that you have community college for everyone. when you have common values, you can certainly be arm in arm working together a whole lot more strongly. i think that's what you're seeing right now, is the progressive caucus showing those values. these are the same values people have back home. if we get this done, it's a huge win for the american people. and we're going to be happy as well. but the important part is it's a win for the american people. >> congressman mark pocan, thanks for your time this afternoon. coming up, a major advancement in the treatment of coronavirus. merck says it has a pill that cuts risk of hospitalization and death by half. plus tempers flare at school board meetings across the country. some behavior is so bad, it's being compared to domestic terrorism. and a florida man uses a trash bin to save his neighborhood from a lurking alligator. he's going to join us in just a little while. stay with us. ♪
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even as resistance to the vaccine remains in some parts, a group of new york city teachers is now asking the supreme court to block a mandate that's about to take effect. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has more from manhattan. >> reporter: geoff, first some potentially positive news for anyone who comes down with covid. a new antiviral drug, a pill that you take as soon as you show symptoms. merck is out with new data today showing a 50% reduction in hospitalizations and deaths. the company now plans to file for emergency use authorization as soon as possible. it comes as the battle over covid vaccine mandates intensifies. legal challenges to covid vaccine mandates are mounting. a group of new york city teachers is asking the u.s. supreme court to block a vaccine requirement for school employees before it's enforced monday. separately, new york health care workers are arguing before the state supreme court that their
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mandate is invalid. >> it's hard to force people to do something that you truly wish they would do voluntarily. >> reporter: nationwide, while some major companies are firing employees for refusing to get vaccinated, the vast majority of workers are complying. medical systems in kansas city, missouri, houston, texas, and north carolina, less than 1% of employees have lost their jobs. but in buffalo, new york, nurse theresa malick is on unpaid leave and will soon be terminated. >> i think covid is serious but people have the right to choose what goes into their body. >> reporter: now she says she'll work as a traveling nurse in georgia. what would you say to people who might be watching this and think, vaccines are safe and you're just endangering people? >> i would say the vaccines don't prevent transmission so how am i endangering people? >> reporter: this nurse has been a nurse for 31 years and insists she's not an anti-vaxxer, but --
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>> i just don't want to take it right now. it's a personal choice. >> reporter: would you say you got most of your information from online sources? >> probably so, i've watched a lot of videos online from multiple doctors. >> reporter: why, if i may ask, would you trust those doctors and scientists over the fda or the cdc? >> i don't really have an answer to that. i guess maybe i'm not there adequate. >> reporter: do you not trust the fda? >> no, not really. >> reporter: still, she's in the minority. new york's governor says 87% of hospital staff in the state are now fully vaccinated. and now another somber milestone. according to an nbc news count, the country has hit 700,000 covid deaths since the pandemic began. geoff? >> our thanks to nbc's gabe gutierrez for that reporting. for more let's bring in dr. peter hotez from texas children's hospital. great to have you with us. let's start with this pill from
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merck. how does this treatment work and how is it different from existing treatments like, say, regeneron or remdesivir? >> it's certainly similar, geoff, to how you would use the monoclonal antibody. in other words you would get the monoclonal antibodies if you start having symptoms, it seems to work very early in the course of illness when the virus are replicating. it's the same for this drug. the important game changer is this drug, the new pill from merck, is just that, it's a pill. you take it twice a day for five days as opposed to having to go to -- find an infusion center where you would have to get an intravenous administration of the monoclonal antibodies. so it will be much more accessible. and so i think that's really important. i think the key, geoff, is to not try to pitch this as a replacement for vaccination. that's going to be the key message, because yes, it is decreasing hospitalization by 50%. so it is a benefit. but in comparison to a vaccine, it's a modest benefit.
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so the key is making certain this doesn't become ivermectin version 2.0, because that would have tragic consequences. >> absolutely. so merck, as i understand it, only tested this pill on the unvaccinated. could there be any uses for people who have really bad, potentially breakthrough infections, vaccinated folks? >> yes, absolutely. so the presence of antibodies or an immune response should probably not interfere with this drug. of course we'll have to actually look at it in studies. and of course the other advantage is it's a small molecule drug, and places like india have a lot of experience making medicine of similar class like the antiretroviral drugs. so potentially this is a drug that could be made widely accessible globally. that's both good news and bad news because this class of drugs also could be susceptible to emerging drug resistance. so the key is to regulate it in a way that it's not just over
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a delegation of biden administration officials are in haiti today, getting an up close look at the volatile and dire conditions that the thousands of migrants deported there are now facing. it's all unfolding as a handful of humanitarian groups are also on the ground trying to help any way they can. nbc's jacob soboroff is in port-au-prince where he got a firsthand look at that effort. >> reporter: today a delegation from the biden administration including a top official from the nsc is here in haiti for the second day, meeting not only with the prime minister but members of civil society and other stakeholders on the ground here about the current situation, both the economic and the political instability in the
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country following the assassination of the president but also those thousands of migrants that are being deported and expelled back to this country, many of whom have not been here for years, some as long as ten years, having lived in south america and central america and ventured to the u.s. border to that bridge in del rio, texas, in order to seek a better life, only to meet a fate of being sent back to a country that many of them feel like they no longer know. and one way to understand, when i say they don't know this country any longer or they're faced with an unstable situation, one way to understand that is to go where we went on thursday, to a hospital run by doctors without borders. and what they showed us, quite frankly, was shocking. they treat primarily victims of gunshot wounds, victims of stabbings, victims of other trauma including car crashes. they told us those car crashes are not because people got into fender benders but were literally fleeing gang violence from one area to another inside this city. here is a little bit of what the chief of mission on the ground here told us yesterday.
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hospitals, private and public hospitals, have had to close? >> some of them. not all of them. the fact is that in some areas, there is violence, so medical staff do not have access to the health facilities. that's why they have to close. >> reporter: for people who never experienced life in haiti, what you're saying is, things are so violent in certain areas of haiti that doctors, nurses, other health care providers, cannot actually get to the hospitals to help patients. >> yes. it could happen. >> reporter: part of the reason that the hospital that doctors without borders runs we visited that's so busy is because they had to close another facility, another clinic, hospital, emergency facility, here in haiti because of gang violence that was surrounding it in the area in which it operated. a lot of the ambulances and other personnel working there were transferred to this facility on the outskirts of port-au-prince. it doesn't change the fact that this violence that has permeated
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this society has affected your operations, one of the reasons that many people, including a doctor we spoke to who works there, is considering leaving to the united states. that's the situation of the migrants being returned by the biden administration face as well. back to you. >> our thanks to jacob soboroff for that on the ground reporting in haiti. a story we told you about yesterday, almost 100 years and one stroke of a pen later, california governor gavin newsom returned bruce's beach to the descendants of its original black owners. willa and charles bruce originally purchased the land back in 1912 for $1,200 where they built a thriving coastal resort for black vacationers in a deeply segregated los angeles. after several acts of vandalism by disgruntled white residents including an attack by the kkk, bruce's beach was eventually seized by the state through eminent domain in 1924. today that land is worth roughly
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75 million dollars. the family told the "today" show that restoration is just one step toward overdue justice. >> from here we want restitution from the city of manhattan beach for the loss that have generational wealth. we want punitive damages for the ku klux klan disenfranchising our family of our human rights. >> it's not done. >> it's not done, we've just begun to fight. >> trymaine lee, i find this story endlessly fascinating. charles and willa bruce had the audacity to be black and successful back in the early 1900s and they paid a price for it. and now you have the state trying to right a wrong. what happens now? >> geoff, i think you framed it up right. the audacity to be boldly black and the audacity to be black and successful is almost and sometimes unforgivable.
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what the bruce family is in a position to do now is what generations and generations of black families have not been able to do, get their hands back on their property. so many people, black folks, have been stripped of land. as the bruce descendant said, of wealth. a new generation is rising up. where the bruces toiled in the silence and quiet, a new generation of advocates have stepped up, raising their voices and also their stories like the bruces. i spent some time talking to folks. let's take a listen. july 2020, manhattan beach resident kavon ward mobilized after learning the dark past of the sunny beach side park now known as bruce's beach. parcels that have land were once owned by charles and willa bruce, a black couple who bought the land to build a beach resort on the site in 1912. it quickly became a haven for black tourists and entertainers from across the country. it also became a target of white
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supremacists who ultimately seized the land through eminent domain in 1924 on the grounds that it would be used for a public park. for three decades, the lots sat vacant. >> i don't care if it happens to black entrepreneurs, white entrepreneurs. someone having their land taken from them is wrong. this was specifically based on race. and so that makes it even worse. >> reporter: according to one study from 2014, of 1 million people displaced by eminent domain between 1949 and 1973, 2/3 were african-american. it's been used to take over swaths of land held by communities of color across america, like vinegar hill in charlottesville, virginia. and in high profile cases like dodgers stadium in los angeles, it's still used today for highway expansions, pipelines and more, dispossessing a new generation of black, brown, and
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indigenous citizens. >> most of the wealth equity in this country and for most families is through land or property ownership. and some people who were not white have not had this mechanism to grow wealth. >> reporter: black families are disproportionately vulnerable to involuntary land loss by eminent domain and other legal means including loopholes and partition sales. but little has been done to protect them. >> there have been land organizations around for generations. all of these groups have tried in one way or another to get land back or at least to get some sort of reparations or payment for lost resources. >> reporter: but the tides might be turning. the murder of george floyd
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reignited calls to dismantle structural and institutional racism and to return what's owed to black america. >> justice for bruce's beach! >> reporter: for kavon, it took a little more than a year to successful press l.a. county and the state of california to make amends for its role in stripping wealth from the bruce family. two plots of the land that are now worth more than $75 million are on their way back to being owned by charles and willa's descendants. including their great great grandson anthony bruce. >> when you see something with your name on it, it's a little bit different, you know, to know that this is bruce property, you know, and i'm a bruce, and this is from my family. we started that down there. nobody else around here did that. it was my family. >> reporter: kavon is now launching where is my land, a digital platform to help other families find justice with co-founder ashanti martin. >> the cases where the land
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can't be returned, significant restitution needs to be paid. there needs to be a recognition that wealth was stolen, wealth was not able to be generated because of that fact, and really looking at the present conditions of families themselves to try to understand what was stolen from them, not just at the time, but over the decades. >> geoff, it took a hundred years for the bruce family to be made whole. and those who have been calling for this country to repay black folks what they're owed, this case, many hope, is just the beginning of a return from what had been stolen, geoff. >> trymaine lee, thanks so much for bringing us that great reporting. check out trimaine's podcast on the treatment of haitian migrants. listen now wherever you get your podcasts. next, the latest developments on capitol hill where we'll see president biden
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back to that breaking news here in washington. word from the white house this afternoon that president biden is headed to the capitol in the next hour, around 3:30 eastern, to try to break the logjam among democrats over his sweeping domestic agenda. back with us from capitol hill is nbc's ali vitali and joining us from the white house is nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. monica, what's the latest you're hearing from the white house about what the president is expected to say? >> there is a very interesting indication we're getting now from senior administration officials, geoff, that is that the president is going to make this trip to continue to make the case for his agenda and because there is this critical juncture we're at currently and
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time is critical. but what is very interesting in that note that we're learning about is that it's not like the president is going there to provide a final pep rally before any kind of declared victory. that's not what this trip to capitol hill is going to be this afternoon, at least we understand at this point. soing so according to our team at the white house, there is not any deal that's been struck yet. this is a president going to get some additional face-to-face time with these lawmakers who of course in a very different setting earlier this week he engaged with some of them at the congressional baseball game, heading into the dugout, talking shop, if you will, there. this is a different kind of urgency. he will be heading to this meeting, of course behind closed doors, and continuing to hash out these different factions to see if they can get them to a closer place, relying on his decades of experience on the hill, we're told by senior officials, but also coming to them and saying essentially, guys, let's please make this
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work. but there are, again, no indications from here, geoff, that any kind of vote is imminent, that any kind of deal has been reached. the president is going and using his powers of trying to moderate this in person, at least in the next couple of hours. but we're not bracing here, and white house press secretary jen psaki started her briefing by saying this is a president who wants to have these conversations in person, we know they've been taking place over the phone the last few days. but there is no major breakthrough to report, at least not yet. >> and monica, as you mentioned, the white house press briefing has been going on and i'm told the white house press secretary jen psaki says she's not going to predict there will be a vote today, she'll leave that to the house speaker, but that the president is going there to answer questions, in much the same way that you just reported. ali vitali, on the other side of pennsylvania avenue, what's the reaction on the hill to the news that president biden is on his way there? >> look, one source said to one of our colleagues here on our hill team that they're not sure
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whether or not this is a "we're close" moment or democrats being called to the principal's office, so to speak, meeting with president biden. what i can say is his presence may placate some of the rank and file democrats who we've seen on cable and in the hallways here talking about how they would like to see the president be more publicly engaged. monica has been reporting, as have our other colleagues at the white house, biden has been working the phones. we know he's had key people in these negotiations come to the white house. at the same time it's a clear ramping up, that the president is going to be coming back to the halls of congress, a place he knows very well and a place he ran on in his presidential campaign as someplace that he could do the work in bringing these different factions together. i do think it's notable, as we've been tracking this story for the past few weeks, and frankly months, that the time crunch here seems to have jogged the process forward a little bit. everyone feeling the crunch of having to actually get to the negotiating table. the fact that last night, the
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conversation, according to our sources, hinged on yes, the top line number that's been a huge topic of conversation for the two moderate centers at the center of this, manchin and sinema, but at the same time it's been a conversation that hinges on what are the policy priorities that people can get behind. it's looking like a lot of things we often talk about, climate change, the child tax credit. those things are at the forefront of those conversations, according to our sources. so when president biden gets in the room and talks to these democratic members, monday cake -- monica is right, it might be pep talk, it might be about policies that have been in the democratic agenda for months. >> monica and ali, thank you both. next, a florida man goes viral after his military instincts kicked in, he says, as he risks his life to catch an alligator. he'll join me with his incredible story after a wick break. stay with us. s more than just g, walls, doors and carpeted floor.
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so i seen the trash can, looked at it like a mouth, like i said, steve irwin kicked in, i used my calmness, scooped it up and delivered him back into his natural habitat. the reactions i got from people, you know, calling me, texting me, has been inspiring, and anything i can do and wherever i can help out, am inspired. i love animals. i didn't want to hurt the animal. i'm glad no children gold hurt. i would be devastated if they were injured. >> they came into the house, told you there was an alligator out front -- >> no, i heard -- >> how did you even know this would work? >> i didn't know it would work. i don't know, mathematically, i knew the trash can's mouth was
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