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it's taken a lot to get to this moment. ♪ grew up at midnight - the maccabees ♪ dreams are on the line. you got this. refresh... it all, comes down, to this. ♪♪ just in time for more of our breaking coverage of hurricane ida here on msnbc. good evening. i'm joshua johnson here in new york on a very busy night.
with ali velshi weathering the storm. tonight, hurricane ida is a category 2 storm, but a powerful one at that. let's begin with ali in new orleans, where the power has been out for some time, and it looks like it's going to be out for a while. >> reporter: yeah, joshua, we're in the 11th hour since landfall of this storm, and it's still whipping up. you can see this water behind me in new orleans, which wasn't sort of inside of the center of this hurricane to start with. so it's a very, very powerful storm, and it's mostly hitting new orleans on the backside of this thing. we saw it pop up in wind about 2, 2 1/2 hours ago, to pretty intense. it started to let off for a little while, and we're still getting big gusts and bands. what ended up happening about a couple of hours ago is we lost power. we lost it in the local area
here downtown. i thought it might have been central to this block or building. we learned there was a much bigger problem. it was what they call a catastrophic problem in energy, the power transmission and generation company around here. so we suddenly jumped from having 500,000 people without power in this state to well over 750,000, and i don't know what that number could be up. but everybody in orleans parish is out of power, and we know from the reporting that our reporters have been doing from baton rouge and places like that, plaquemines parish are without power. so this is a city that was very concerned about flooding. this is 16 years to the day from when hurricane katrina landed
here causing remarkable damage. from what we can tell, we don't have a lot of flooding, so the $16 billion or $17 billion they spent over all these years in dealing with a city that is below sea level has helped to some degree. so we don't know what the flooding situation is, but we do have a power outage problem. we have trees down across the city and hours and hours into this thing, we've still got this level of wind around here that frankly, joshua, from moment to moment, pushes me around because it's that strong. suddenly, there will be nothing. i don't know if these are the remnants of the back end of the storm, but this is still very much a problem for people in new orleans and across louisiana tonight. >> you're getting those bands as the storm makes its way up to the baton rouge area. let me ask you quickly, nobody is out on the streets right now, right? you're the only one out there, i hope. >> reporter: no, i saw a couple
of cars with sirens a little while ago going through. earlier in the evening, i saw people out, you know, jogging and things like that. but no, for the last few hours, we have not seen anybody except some journalists like us who are out here. and a couple of what looked like official cars going around i guess to assess the damage. there's certainly no repairs for any of that going on. but nobody on the street. pretty much empty. >> that's good to hear. thank you, ali. we'll check back in with you earlier. let's go to janessa webb. can you talk us through more of what ali is seeing on the ground and what we're seeing from radar in terms of where it's going? >> yeah, joshua. ali is exactly right. what we're dealing with is the backside of this storm system. but he's also dealing with the front east side quadrant.
now, you can see it starting to make its way here in laplace parish. that's where the strongest winds will be for this system. yes, it's been downgraded, the impact, so they're still very much the same. i want to zoom into our radar. you can see the bulk of this moisture, what we call feeder bands starting to make its way across new orleans. so that's what ali is starting to see. the problem that i have with this, this is the bands making their way across lake pontchartrain. so we could see some torrential rain that they don't need. so the storm surge is definitely going to be up. and we'll watch some high tide that will make its way in later on tomorrow morning. so you can see the front end, now we're dealing with a cat 2 hurricane. it is starting to lose its force a little bit. what happens here is the pressure starts to go up and then the wind speeds, they start to go down.
so new orleans, still seeing some isolated wind going through that area. 90 miles per hour at the ampt. that's probably the gustiest we've seen. reserve parish, 72 miles per hour. now baton rouge, it's really starting to pick up, 52-mile-per-hour winds. that's the heaviest we've seen so far. so this storm system making its way north and east. now, the i have currently about eight states that are dealing with these impacts. this is a very large system, so we're just actually getting started. sustained winds of 105 miles per hour. there is that west-northeast-west movement of 9 miles per hour. so the problem with that movement compared to earlier this afternoon, it was pretty speedy. now it has slowed down dramatically, allowing for prolonged moisture. so the national hurricane center, the latest update has
this grog back down to a tropical system and turning into an area of low pressure by tomorrow evening. then it's the tennessee valley, ohio valley, mid-atlantic dealing with that dumping rain, but winds will start to die down. the flood threat, the storm surge is still an issue. some totals from nashville to new york city, we're talking about 5 to 10 inches. the problem for tonight, now it's dark, and we are going to see very large areas that will be dealing with tropical storm warnings. now they're starting to flood into areas of mississippi. i expect parts of south georgia to get into this. also oklahoma into arkansas. so even though the category is starting to go down and will probably turn into a tropical system from day one across cuba, this system has dropped copious amounts of rain and that's what it's going to continue to do through thursday. joshua? >> thank you, janessa.
janessa webb with the latest. forgive me for stepping on your toes, but for those of you east of louisiana, the national weather service has issued a tornado warning for southwestern harrison county in southern mississippi. this is the area of kiln and diamondhead, that there has been a severe thunderstorm seen capable of producing a tornado moving northwest at 45 miles per hour. a tornado warning, like a watch, means somebody has been seen in the sky that either is or could produce tornadoes. this is southwestern pearl river county in southern mississippi along the gulf coast. if you are in that area, please know the national weather service has issued a tornado warning until at least 10:15 p.m. central time. 11:15 p.m. eastern time. that is in the opposite direction, though, from baton rouge. that's where we want to focus next, starting with miguel
almaguer who joins us live. what are conditions like where you are? >> reporter: i can tell you, over the last hour to two, we've seen the worst weather we have seen in this area. it continues to ramp up. at the airport, winds upwards of 50 miles per hour. just a few moments ago, i was upstairs in my hotel room and on the eighth floor, you could see transformers kind of exploding in the distance. i was watching our local news station, they lost power in their newsroom two or three times and able to stay on the air. so they're dealing with power difficulties around the area. the downtown area seems to have power, but we know that over the last couple of hours, we heard emergency sirens. the mayor said at some point, they would stop running if the weather got too dangerous. it appears the weather could make that turn. the local forecast calls for conditions to continue to
deteriorate. we've seen bands of heavy rain, reports of flooding, and loss of power. so the situation here continues to unravel as they continue to see more force from that hurricane. joshua. >> thank you. that's nbc's miguel almaguer joining us from baton rouge. let's continue in baton rouge now with the mayor, joining us is mayor sharon weston-broom. >> good evening. >> madame mayor, how are you? how are things going where you are? >> we are persevepersevering, w have picked up in our area. we do not have the rainfall yet, but our citizens are taking and adheing to our advice to stay at home and be safe. >> talk about some of the preparations that you have made. i saw that on twitter you noted there were some closures being made to underpasses near the mall of louisiana, which is kind
of southeast baton rouge. what kind of work has gone on to get your city ready for ida? >> well, of course, a lot of our work dealt with drainage preparation, and now we have moved to opening up shelters to prepare. we've had our collaboration with our energy officials, we do have almost 15,000 outages in the city and parish. and so we are asking our citizens to stay at home as a result. of course, now, we have a curfew in effect. and that way, tomorrow morning, we can go out and assess the damages and get our people to work, whether it's dpw or other essential workers who can help us in this recovery process. >> can you give us a sense, mayor broome, in terms of the
area of the city that you are most concerned about? i feel like we know so much more about new orleans than baton rouge just because of its reputation as a tourist destination. but are there any parts of the city of baton rouge that you're the most concerned about in terms of just flooding, of rising waters? we know that your counterpart in new orleans, the mayor has asked people to reduce their water usage. are there mr. parts of baton rouge that you're concerned about as it relates to flooding, for example? >> i will tell you this, in 2016, we had a 1,000 year flood. many of our communities in the northern corner of our parish were devastated. just this past may, we had another flood experience. not as monumental as the one in 2016, but many of our citizens
in the southern corner of our parish were impacted. so our goal is to mitigate flooding throughout our city, whether it's in the southern corner or the northern corner. and the truth of the matter is, here in the capital city, we recognize that water management has to be a way of life. that's why we have implemented a storm water master plan, where we're doing analytical studies of our drainage system, so we can mitigate flooding in our community. right now, because ida is mostly a wind event for us, we're hoping and believing that we won't have the type of flooding experience that we have had historically. but indeed, we have prepared. >> before i let you go, mayor broome, i can't let you go without asking about covid, the impact of that on the city and how that will affect of dealing with the aftermath of hurricane
ida. >> absolutely. not only dealing with the aftermath, but where we are right now, we've got citizens who are in our shelters and what we've had to do to prepare for these two crises is that we've had to ask those residents -- those citizens rather who are going into shelters and are not vaccinated, they have to take a covid test. and we will have to isolate them at the shelter, and they will not be included in the general population. so of course, our message has consistently been we want baton rouge to be a vaccinated community. so we encourage people to go get vaccinated. and certainly a major hurricane weather event like this, where people may have to shelter outside of their homes, shows even more the need for the health and well-being of our citizens. >> i hear that. i hear that.
mayor broome of baton rouge, louisiana, please stay safe tonight. hopefully you can keep power and utilities as much as possible. hopefully the damage is not too bad when the sun rises tomorrow. thank you very much. when we come back, hurricane ida is wreaking havoc on a key petroleum center for the u.s. we'll get into some of the environmental impact of a category 4 storm hitting the louisiana coast when we come back. [engine revs] ricky bobby, today the road is your classroom. [engine revs] now let's go borrow a boat and make some bad decisions. [engine revs] time to go incognito. [zippers fasten] [engine revs] i love you, ricky! i love you, cal! what's the next stop? it's time for your extracurriculars. ¡vámanos, amigos! woo-hoo!
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storm surge. joining us now is parish president cynthia lee shang. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> how are you and how are things going where you are? >> well, it's been a very, very long day. this is the first time i am seeing the images you're showing. we lost contact with grand isle probably late afternoon, early evening. we were able to radio them in the afternoon, but then we lost category several hours ago. so certainly completely concerned about them. don't know what the building structures are like or what the conditions are out there. it's a terrible feeling when you lost contact with the people and you don't know. we don't have electricity, it's very tough times for us right now. >> talk to us about the concerns you have in terms of the different parts of jefferson perish. it runs kind of a strip from the suburbs west of new orleans, down towards the gulf. so it sounds like there's a
variety of different kinds of vulnerabilities in different parts of the parish that you have to be concerned with. >> it's good you noted that. our parish is vulnerable to all the threats oh of a hurricane where we are. so you know, you look at grand isle as the storm surge, right on the gulf of mexico. an area that also isn't quite as far south but is very vulnerable is lafite. i'm getting reports there are people in attics. i talked to the mayor, mayor tim kerner, he was getting reports that water was rising and reports that people are in the attics. it is still very rough here. it is still very rough. we're getting lots of rescue calls. it is dark here. we don't have any electricity. so the teams cannot go out.
you're talking about going into an area that has alligators. this is swamp land. so our teams are ready. but certainly they'll be able to look around in the area where i am. it's more of an urbanized area. but lafite is kind of swampland. in the darkness you can't see downed power lines and they'll have to go out with boats. so very complicated. they're ready to do it, but they have to do it and be safe. and we need light to be able to do that. >> it's interesting when you mention that. i grew up in an area that eat quite urban but close to nature. gators are a thing. i can only imagine doing that kind of rescue work. we got a report like three hours ago about a bridge in lafite hit by a barge, so it may not be safe to drive over. >> yes, that is correct.
>> so i wonder what your message is to residents right now, what you most need people to do, maybe not do as you wait for first light tomorrow. and especially because we're also still dealing with covid. what is your message to residents in jefferson parish right now? >> we're as fragile as we can be as a community. the will is there, our first responders are there and ready. so to the homeowner who is at home, who rode out the storm, if you're safe in your home, you've got to stay in. we have to give the roads over to our first responders. let them make it safe and have the time to do what they need to do for search and rescue. for those of you out of our community, i'm glad you got out. it's going to be a rough time here. there is no electricity. so you want to stay where you have modern amenities. i know you want to see your home. your neighbors and relatives will be able to show you pictures of your home. if you have the means to stay out, wait until living is more
comfortable here. more survivable here. we just don't know what it's like out here yet. i'm getting reports maybe people are in attics. this is so eerie that we're facing this again. people are saying we're much better equipped now to handle it, but it is still very difficult situation for our community. >> yeah. i certainly hope that this night passes easily, and tomorrow you don't have too much damage and devastation to deal with. cynthia lee sheng, i appreciate you making time for us. thank you very much. let's get back to new orleans and ali velshi joining us from downtown. how is it looking where you are right now? what's going on? >> reporter: yeah, this is a conversation you were having, because one of the things that's happened around here is that new
orleans has created a number of things to prevent the flooding we saw 16 years ago. some of them are levies, some are gates, drainage and pumping systems. it's a multifaceted system. some is new, some of it is old. some are dependant on electricity, which is problematic. but here is an interesting thing, joshua. because you protect a certain area, sometimes means that other areas are less protected. so there are some places looking to do some of these upgrades to prevent the flooding. this is a low-lying area, and those things haven't been approved or completed, some won't be done until 2024. so a lot of people hoping there wouldn't be a major rain event or major hurricane. but in fact, we've had so many of them. i want you to think back to harvey, which hit sort of
western louisiana, eastern texas, into houston. it was a couple days in before we realized how that was going. there was a hurricane that hit florida a few years ago, which we bought was done on the west coast of florida and ended up in jacksonville causing flooding. so generally speaking, in hurricanes flooding is a greater danger to life than wind is. and so is the idea that people use generators and creating carbon monoxide poisons. thing where is going to be uncomfortable for the next few days. it's easier than taking the risk of traveling and dealing with downed trees and downed power wires. but for a lot of people, things got very uncomfortable today. it's not just that there might be flooding and rescues. there are search and rescue teams like the current cajun navy ready to go out at first
light tomorrow. now we have probably i'm guessing now close to a million people, if not more than that, in this state without power. more than 500,000 of them are in the city of new orleans. there's no power here chld and there's lots of power out in surrounding parishes in baton rouge and places like that. so this becomes another problem. the one blessing is it's a little bit cold right now. if you've been out in the rain with a few hours it's cold. but it's cool, we don't probably have heat issues in people's houses overnight. but this could now be three or four days. until this wind drops down to a manageable level. nobody is going out to hardly even inspect the damage or repair electrical wires. and more importantly, we've had this so-called catastrophic event and this generation
transmission plant here in new orleans and throughout louisiana. we have to solve this. we don't know what that is. are there even people attempting to fix it right now? our comment from energy is, it will not be fixed tonight. that's a for sure. will it be fixed in six hours, ten hours tomorrow? and then on top of all of that, there is a covid chriss. not just in this country. we're seeing remarkable record breaking numbers about the number of cases and hospitalizations. very high levels of death. this is one of the ene centers for it in this state right now. so they've already had to tell people who are not -- who had elective surgery, there are not places for them in hospitals and icu beds. now we have hospitals worried about whether they have power for the ventilators. so this is a grim night. it may not be the storm everybody thought it was going to be. it was within a few miles per hour of being a category 5
storm. it's historic to have a storm of this landing in the gulf coast. but the bottom line is, there is a lot that's going to happen that is going to make this seem much more serious than it felt today. people are saying new orleans dodged a category 5 major rain event that was going to cause it to flood. it does not look like new orleans has flooded. that is amazing news. but there's a lot of catastrophe in the days to come. >> that is good news, ali. since you brought up the power outages, as of the time you and i are talking about this, it looks like there are 831,659 affected customers from this outage in louisiana overall. 831,659 customers affected by this outage, including in downtown new orleans. please stay safe. thank you very much. we'll continue to give you the
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we are continuing to follow hurricane ida as it makes its way through louisiana tonight. it made landfall with sustained winds of 150 miles per hour and pounding rain. the power is out for hundreds of thousands of people across the state, including in new orleans. the entire city of new orleans is without power after what the utility described as catastrophic transmission damage to local power facilities. according to the utility entergy, it is not coming back on tonight. all eight of the transmission lines that deliver power there
are out of service. while they work to assess the damage caused by the storm, backup power is being provided as best as possible to the new orleans sewage and water board so they can pump water and sewage out. by the way, the city is asking the people of new orleans to please conserve water, because the less water you use, the less waste water you create. did i mention the sewage pumps aren't working? back with us is lieutenant general russel honore. general, i wonder if i could just begin with the concerns in the overnight hours with the storm. the louisiana department of health confirmed the first storm related death that's been reported. a 60-year-old male in ascension, parish, who had a tree fall in his home. the governor tweeted, condolences to the family and said they will begin damage assessments and search and
rescue as soon as it is safe in the morning. it sounds like this hurricane is going to give search and rescue crews more than enough to work through. >> yeah, absolutely. the good news is, the parishes are well organized, along with the sheriff and parish workers to be able to lead those rescue teams coming in on where they need to focus. so they're well rehearsed. they train for this every year prior to hurricane season. but the enormity of the past is going to be very large. to be able to get out to assess the damage to the electric grid, as well as to go to each home, because every place that was evacuated, now you have to go to every one of those places and see if people need help that did not have any power. so this is going to be an enormous task. and all the health and national
guard and volunteers, as well as search and rescue teams that fema has put in there, they'll have their work cut out the next two days to make contact with everyone in every house. >> the last time we spoke in our last hour, you were talking about people being able to apply for assistance after the storm passed. another development we can report tonight is that joe biden has approved a major disaster declaration for the state of louisiana as requested by the governor. for those of you watching in that area and think that you might need to apply for assistance, you can begin tomorrow. you can register online at disasterassistant.gov or call 800-621-3663. the line will operate from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. local time, seven days a week while the disaster declaration is in place. general honore, since you brought this up last hour, i
wonder if you would just riff on that in terms oh of what people should bear in mind when they apply or just the way the system works, that it's not nimble enough to respond to people's actual needs. >> once you go to mandatory evacuation, we need to open that system up. now you have 700,000 people in louisiana we know without power. that's going to have trouble getting online and get the information they need, and many are evacuated. this is a pretty quick response. i'm glad they've done it. there's another step to go to request it. people can go online and register. because once you register, you will get a number. then you will have to show documentation based on the damage to your house and whether you can recover the money you spent on hotel rooms. that's called individual assistance. and by and large, fema can make that work well. the problem now, is people's ability to connect to that
system and get the assistance they need to -- if they have to stay out of their home and to get their homes inspected so they can apply for temporary housing. but it's too much for me to speculate at this time. if we look at the amount of damage to the power grid, from landfall through mississippi, this is going to be one hell of a job. there's a lot of damage out there to personal homes. >> lieutenant general russel honore, we appreciate you making time for us. let me read that information one more time. it's disasterassistance.gov. this is for people in louisiana who may need to apply for disaster assistance. 800-621-fema, from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. daily seven days a week until further notice. when we come back, you heard the general referring to the
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a relentless rain and storm surge that is coming onto the coast of louisiana. so we've been at it all day. you know, we have two systems here. we have a hurricane risk reduction system here in st. bernard parish that was built after katrina. it's a levy system, that was $14 billion. that kept 99% of our population safe and it worked like it should. outside of our levy system, we have about ten feet of storm surge. totally devastated commercial fishing industry. inside of our levy system, i tell you, we've got a significant amount of downed trees and power lines, and now with this news of the downed transmission line, you know, we have nine parishes, which is like counties in the rest of the
country, that have zero power. and we don't have any assessment of when that's going to be turned back on. so that now is our major concern, along with starting this work to get back and up and running here in this community tomorrow, to start clearing debris from the road. and getting our citizens some information so that they can come back home and help with the process. >> well, and i'm guessing that one of your biggest concerns, if not your biggest concern, has to do with just water. we know with the pumps that are going to get water out, the drainage system moving again, those are out because entergy hasn't been able to get the power back on, and st. bernard parish is surrounded by water. that's got to be a significant concern. >> i heard what you were saying earlier about the city. i haven't heard those reports. but here if st. bernard, we have
generators. all of our generators are working. they're powered up our pumps. so far we've been able to keep one the rain. god forbid, we lose some of our generators here in st. bernard, because we have to pump our water out. but that's not a concern of ours right now. the big concern is the power. the big power is post storm injuries or death. there is a lot of power lines down, a lot of trees down. we want our citizens to stay inside where they're at, where they evacuated to. and please wait to heed the advice of our officials who will do an assessment early in the morning. hopefully by noon we can get word out to the citizens when it's appropriate to come back and to assess the damage at your home. >> briefly, before i let you go, how confident are you that people have heeded the darnings -- heeded the warnings so far?
>> you know, a lot of people got out of st. bernard parish. no one has really been on the streets. then again, the wind was horrible. and it's been relessrelentless. and it's dark. so hopefully when the sun rises in the morning, our people will continue to be resilient and compliant, and i know they will. we've been through this drill before, josh, and we're just looking forward, actually, to get the job done and starting that responsibility tomorrow morning. >> john mcguiness, i appreciate your time. please stay safe tonight. thank you very much. we'll take one more look at this form. including why it took seven hours after making landfall to weaken to a category 3 storm.
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global climate modeling at the university of california, davis. good to see you again. >> thank you. good to see you again, joshua. >> so hurricane ida is making its way north. it has begun a northward trajectory, on course to making its way northeast. what's stood out to you so far about this storm? >> well, as was brought up earlier, basically we're seeing a storm retain significant strength over land. so it's still able to suck quite a bit of energy, which is indig save of a hot and moist surface. before it made landfall here in if louisiana, we were seeing anonymously warm sea temperatures in the gulf of mexico that just reinforced the strength of the storm and drove up that intensity immediately before it made landfall. >> it's been a busy hurricane season. it's busy now. this is the height of the season. you have tropical storm julian
that is out in the atlantic. you have tropical depression ten off of the virginia-north carolina coast that could form and ida. what do you make of the season so far based on everything that's gone on? >> it hasn't been our worst hurricane season on record, at least we have that going for us. it is looking to shape up to be a strong season. even earlier, we were getting forecasts indicating this would be an anonymously strong season, because of the environmental conditions are setting up in such a way that there's just more propensity, the environment is better primed in order to generate more of these storms. so it's not surprising we're seeing more frequency in this particular season. there's a big year-to-year variability when it comes to the number of storms we see. what we're see asking kind of in the mix. >> how much do we attribute this
to climate change? >> well, there's not a whole lot we have been able to -- we don't have a lot of confidence when it comes to attribuing changes in the frequency, but there are aspects of hurricanes when it comes to climate change, changes in the amount of precipitation from these storms have been 10% to 20% more in some cases, just to date. and we anticipate those numbers will increase in the future. as the warm gets warmer, it's able to hold moisture and that walls out in the form of precipitation, leading to more flooding. we're seeing increased sea level rise, which is driving a worse storm surge, as well as intensification. >> is that what we're concerned about, the storms getting more windy or the storms getting
wetter? the water within a storm like this, that's the killer, that's the biggest source of damage and threats from hurricane is not just the wind when it's blowing, but the incredible amount of water that it pushes on shore and leaves behind. >> 90% of the fatalities associated with any hurricane event is because of the water. so we're worried about that storm surge and the inland precipitation and the flash flooding that can cause. all of that precipitation, all of that rainfall gets channeled into the major waterways. and when those can no longer sustain the amount of water being pushed down, that's going to flood and you get flooding of roads and flooding of communities and often people just respect prepared for the amount of flooding that can come associated with events like this. as a result you have so much water being pushed on shore. >> how well are we prepared for
these changes storms as it stands right now, before we go? >> after hurricane katrina, there was quite a bit of work put into building you have the infrastructure in louisiana. so we're fortunate that there has been this concerted effort to reinforce that infrastructure. we're not going to be prepared necessarily for some of the major storms coming into the future, but at least it seems in this case that for the most part we're seeing our levies hold under ida, although i'm hearing reports in the west that we're seeing significant flooding, more than has been seen in any past storm. >> uc davis professor, thank you very much. much appreciated. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> thank you for making time for us tonight. i'm joshua johnson. please, if you are along the gulf coast, stay home. it is not safe outside right now. stay home and watch our continuing coverage with my colleague chris jansing at the top of the hour here on msnbc.
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