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just a day after a devastating bombing by isis that killed 13 u.s. service members and more than 100 afghan civilians, national security officials have reportedly told the president another terror attack in kabul is likely. the pentagon today warning of, quote, specific credible threats while clarifying that yesterday's attack involved a single suicide bomber and one or more gunman at a gate to the kabul airport and there was not a second explosion at the hotel nearby as was originally reported. with just a few days to go before u.s. forces leave evacuation flights are still under way. more than 12,000 people were flown out in the last 24 hours. the state department believes the number of americans looking to leave afghanistan now in the hundreds. crowds are still gathering near kabul airport, a scene here in satellite photos not far from the site of yesterday's attack. "the new york times" describing the scene this way, quote, at the airport and in the streets
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the u.s. military and taliban tried to expert what authority they could. militants with rifles kept crowds away from the airport gates guarding checkpoints with trucks and at least one humvee by the roads. many with bags at their sides numbers in the hundreds, not the thousands of previous days. the security situation turning the united states and the taliban into strange bed fellows. seth moulton went on a controversial and unauthorized trip to kabul this week described the scene before the bombing and how the marines are working with the taliban. >> it's an impossible task we've given them to literally sift through a sea of humanity, thousands and thousands of afghans to try to pluck out our allies, our friends and their families, their husbands, their wives, their little girls and
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boys, literally pull them to freedom. i expected to see a gate with marines on one side and afghans on the other. that's not the way this could work. we have to go out in the crowd. so these marines were out there feet from the taliban with their horse whips. at tremendous risk literally saving lives. these marines who grew up knowing that the taliban harbored the people who attacked us on 9/11 now has to work with these terrorists. but we have to to save lives and one of the most important things we've learned by being there on the ground is that crazy relationship with the taliban is actually going to be really important going forward. >> politico is shedding light on that, quote, u.s. officials in kabul gave the taliban a list of names of american citizens,
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green card holders, and afghan allies to grant entry into the militant controlled outer perimeter of the city's airport, a choice that's prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials. looming over all of this president biden's pledge to retaliate against isis and questions about what it will take for the u.s. to contain terror threats in the region. "the new york times" reports american officials are reworking plans to counter threats that could emerge from afghanistan's chaos. according to current and former officials negotiating for new bases in central asian countries, determining how clandestine officers can run sources without the military and diplomatic outpost that is provide cover disguise for two decades and figuring out where they could launch drone strikes. and that is where we begin. joining us now jonathan lemire for the associated press and msnbc contributor. also with us greg, npr national security correspondent, covering afghanistan since 1993.
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he was one of the first reporters to interview members of the taliban. and evelyn farkas is back, an msnbc contributor. greg, officials believe another terror attack is likely. are you getting any sense from officials that changes the nature of the mission? >> well, they're saying it hasn't. they're saying they're still going to -- they're still processing people. that's going to continue until the final minute. that's the intention. i have not seen video or images from the perimeter and particularly the abbey gate where the days leading up to the attack you saw the marines really wading out to the crowd and just gut wrenching to see those images especially after we know what happened. i'm not clear on how close the
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u.s. military is getting to the people that are still coming to the airport but that processing is still going on. flights are still taking off. >> jonathan, the white house press briefing gives the clear sense the administration is focused on those evacuations. what are you hearing from your sources inside the administration? >> well, there's no doubt, alicia, officials i've spoken to say there's much urgency to move as quickly as possible in light of the terrible terror attack and the warnings and threats that another one could happen again in the days ahead. that august 31st deadline looms. the president wants to stick to it. he believes they can get the americans out by that date and most of our afghan outlies. he's asked for contingency plans and said if needed that deadline could be extended in a couple of days if required, but they really prefer not to. again, especially in light of yesterday's attack, which just underscores the danger for any american including members of the american military who were
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there past the deadline. the taliban who are somewhat of unlikely allies trying to expedite the evacuations made clear they didn't want an extension and certainly isis-k will not adhere to any deadline either. they've made that very clear. we saw from the president yesterday just how much this weighs on him emotional at times in that speech coming under withering criticism for the way this operation has been conducted. we also heard a resolve, a resolve to hunt down and get those who are responsible. and we heard from press secretary jen psaki. she added to what he meant, she said, and i paraphrase, those people shouldn't be alive on this earth anymore. certainly a stark warning from the president here. she also was asked about the strange bed fellows with the taliban and said, look, we have to be realistic. sometimes we have to cooperate with those we don't really get along with. >> evelyn to that point nbc news is reporting the head of security was designated as a terrorist by the u.s. government
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ten years ago. there's a $5 million reward for information that could lead to his capture. can you walk us through what the u.s./taliban relationship looks like right now? >> alicia, it is exactly as jonathan sketched out. it's a relationship of convenience. right now they have something of control over kabul and most of afghanistan although i say right now because that could change. and so the u.s. government is in a position to work with the people who have the most power and leverage on the ground which is, unfortunately, the taliban. we have really no choice. i will say, though, that they also don't control all the people who are nominally, notionally taliban. i heard another report earlier today that somewhere some taliban official mentioned that they regretted releasing the prisoners when they got into kabul and onto bagram base. many were isis and al
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qaeda-pardoned fighters. there will be some sort of small scale if not large scale civil war that continues to be waged in afghanistan after we leave. right now the focus is on getting everyone out, of course. >> greg, i was struck by something general mckenzie said yesterday. quote, it's not what they say, it's what they do. how tenuous is this relationship? >> oh, it's absolutely very tenuous. the taliban are effectively providing airport security. general mckenzie also said the taliban is doing some checks that are pretty good. other checks not so good. we've seen reports where the taliban were effectively harassing people. but they're having to make -- they're deciding who gets through and who doesn't, and the u.s. is trying to work with him, still in daily contact. there were questions about did the taliban maybe let this bomber come through? general mckenzie said he had no
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evidence to this effect. the taliban do want the americans out of there, but they also want a relationship with certainly western countries. it looks like they want embassies to stay open, maybe they want the u.s. to keep its embassy open. the u.s. hasn't made a decision one way or the other on that. there is this weird symbiotic relationship. from what we're seeing this week it's obviously related to the withdrawal, but there's also a sense they may have some relationship that will carry on after the last plane goes wheels up. >> evelyn, i worry i cut you off a moment ago. if there was a second part to that thought, i encourage you to include it. but i do -- given the context that you have all just given us about this relationship, i want to return to the report about the u.s. providing a list of names to evacuate to the taliban. this one quote stood out to me. basically they just put all those afghans on a kill list, said one defense official, who
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like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss. it's shocking and makes you feel unclean. evelyn, your sense of why they did this? >> well, i think they felt like it was the only way they knew when they were negotiating to try to get people through. i would agree it was a really risky proposition. and i'm in touch with people, afghans and others, in kabul right now who are either trying to get out or trying to help others get out, and i know there's now an effort under way to try to remove some names as they're getting people in that we don't really want to give the taliban all the information about the people that we are taking out because there is no 100% trust and certainly our military, our government officials, and the volunteers who are helping get people out don't trust the taliban. >> greg, i want to read you a little bit more of "the new york times" reporting on the cia's mission after the deadline to withdraw. they write, mr. biden's determination to end the military's involvement in afghanistan means that, starting
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next month, any american presence in the country would most likely be part of clandestine operation not publicly acknowledged. the cia's new mission will be narrower. a senior intelligence official said. it will no longer have to protect thousands of troops and diplomats and will focus instead on hunting terrorist groups that can attack beyond afghanistan's border. but the rapid american exit devastated the agency's networks and spies will most likely have to rebuild them and manage sources from abroad according to current and former officials. that sounds like a narrower mission but a much harder mission. >> absolutely. the people i've been talking to said exactly that. the resources have already shrunk. william burns testified to that effect in congress. the cia depends very much on the military and the diplomats at the embassy. the military provides protection. the embassy gives them a place
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to work out of. the network of afghans they've had for 20 years, all those things have withered as we see the diplomats leave and many of the afghans they worked with have fled or are no longer in a position to help. when the president talks about going after isis-k, the group that's been blamed for the bombing, the u.s. is going to be doing it with much more limited resources. the president talked about doing it over the horizon, but that's a much, much more difficult challenge. >> jonathan, i want to play some sound for you from president biden, the president earlier today talking about the mission in afghanistan. take a listen. >> let me begin by once again acknowledging the bravery and sacrifice our military makes every single day and the loss of those americans and marines and sailors and personnel is a
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tragedy. my heart goes out, our hearts go out to all of those we've lost. look, the mission there being performed is dangerous and has now come with a significant loss of american personnel. but it's a worthy mission because they continue to evacuate folks out of the region, out of the airport. evacuated 12,000 additional people out of the airport. >> i was struck by the fact in the pentagon briefing we've started to shift the conversation to talking about what resettlement is going to look like. what are you hearing about what success is going to look like in the days and weeks ahead? >> let's follow up what the president said and honor the sacrifice of those members who
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saved countless lives by their own work there and giving up their own lives to protect others. it's a good question. we have two parts here. the first paramount is getting people out and it was striking that despite yesterday's terror attack the evacuation flights are still continuing. there are thousands airlifted out yesterday, more today. that is going to continue up until the august 31st deadline or just about before because there will be need for the military itself to get out. resettlement is another issue. it's a hotly politicized one. we've heard from republicans and conservative media figures balking at the idea of giving these afghans home in the united states, at least not without strict screening. the white house is saying, we'll, we're doing that. they're heading to third-party countries first, some of whom will remain there or move on elsewhere, some will come to the united states. we have seen some already enter america, the few military bases across the country.
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so that is going to be a part of this. i think the president was blunt yesterday. he knows the debt the united states owes these afghans, these translators and others who helped us, whose lives are in jeopardy because of the threat by the taliban. he has said repeatedly we will get out as many of them as we can. he was clear, we won't be able to get all of them out. not everyone is able to leave and that is a stark, sobering reality we're all as a nation going to have to face in the weeks ahead after the u.s. does pull out and the taliban fully takes over. >> evelyn, i am so struck by part of what i was reading, even in the wake of the attack we saw yesterday still hundreds waiting outside that airport that their only possessions on them for the chance to get on one of those planes. talk about the stakes of the next few days, of making sure this goes as well as it can, the stakes of getting those people out.
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>> what we're going to try to do is get as many people as possible out. some people will be left behind. i'm worried about afghan families i've been trying to help who are sivs. they've been accepted into other countries and not the u.s. they can't go out and they will get slaughtered with their families by the taliban. the people standing outside the airport, i don't know what kind of case they have, some of them. oftentimes they will see what the situation is. we're going to have to get as many people as possible out. then the aftermath will have to be important, put pressure on the taliban to do something to respect human rights. we don't expect that from them but will have to press for it. you mentioned refugees. we're going to have to work hard on resettling and providing for refugees because we already have a worldwide refugee crisis and this will add to it. >> absolutely. jonathan, greg, evelyn, thank you all so much for starting us
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off. when we come back, the gop in texas has all but secured its far-reaching rewrite of the state's voting laws. a power grab to disenfranchise thousands of potential voters of color. how people are fighting back, plus thousands of families will face eviction from their homes risking even greater exposure to covid as well after a late-night decision from the supreme court. will congress move to another stop to a devastating next few months for many? and later in the show the capitol police officer responsible for shooting and killing an insurrectionist while defending the halls of congress on january 6th speaking out for the first time. that must-see interview and more when "deadline white house" continues after this. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist.
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it's one thing to understand it conceptually that it was perhaps a matter of time, but to actually see it, to watch it happen as republicans in the texas house this afternoon gave final passage 80-41 to contentious voter restriction bill, that is something else entirely. from here that bill goes back to the senate and creeps closer to governor greg abbott's desk. in broad strokes here is what the bill does. it bans early drive-thru and overnight voting, restricts vote by mail, adds new requirements for those who assist voters, imposes criminal penalties on election workers and gives more power to partisan poll watchers. the sheer gravity of what this bill is capable of in terms of restricting voting rights means the clock is ticking.
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advocates insist it is time for federal legislation. joining us now reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network and victoria defrancesco from the lbj school of public affairs at the university of texas at austin and an msnbc contributor. reverend al, you have been one of those people calling for federal legislation for a while now. as part of that crusade you have a big event tomorrow. tell us about it. >> well, tomorrow morning, martin luther king iii and his wife, those with the drum major institute along with national action network and myself and thousands of others will march in the morning to the capitol to the national mall right out in front of the capitol and have a huge rally, members of the congressional black caucus, majors of labor and thousands will rally calling on the senate to pass the john lewis voter
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act. it passed the house this week. it needs to pass the senate. the reason why is federal legislation can override or oversupersede state legislation like texas just did. this is the reason they did the voting rights act in the first place in 1965. if we go state by state they can set the rules as they have done now in georgia, florida and now texas and they're moving around the country. we need federal law to say that states cannot come with law that is discriminate. all of these laws disproportionately infringe upon the voting rights and voter accessibility of blacks and browns, and we want to see this law pass the john lewis act will do that and that's why we're marching here tomorrow. >> let's talk about what we're seeing out of texas.
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making it harder for americans to vote. now texas poised to add another big one to the list. federal legislation aside, what are some of the immediate consequences of bills like the one advanced in your state last night? what are you concerned with? what are you keeping your eye on? >> i'm keeping my eye on the communities of color that already have lower rates of participation and then with these bills that we see, they're not only adding barriers for the general population, we know the intent was very targeted. surprise, surprise one of the targets in the texas bill was drive-through voting and overnight voting. this happened to be concentrated in harris county which is where houston is located and where we have one of our largest concentrations of population of color. you see these targeted.
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we have the bill, the inevitability you highlighted earlier, will go through conference committee and be signed into law, but let's layer on top of that the redistricting or gerrymandering, if we want to put it differently that will happen in just a couple of weeks in texas and in states across the nation that use partisan redistricting for the redrawing of the maps. that will inhibit things. >> i want to read you that write-up on what happened in texas yesterday. the floor fight over efforts to rewrite voting laws in the state quickly turned heated thursday after a republican house speaker asked people not to use the word racism while debating a bill democrats have said will make it harder for people of color to vote. we can talk about racial impacts
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of this legislation without accusing members of the body of being racist. that sounds a little defensive to me. >> it sounds not only defensive, it sounds like they're trying to do the practice of racism without calling it racist. if you say it may have a disproportionate impact based on race, how do you define racism other than to say it is going to have an impact unequally on race. it's not like he's coming up with saying this is how we solve this or this is how this is untrue. he's conceding it but saying don't call us that. they always said that. oh, no, it's not racist. we just asked blacks how many jelly beans are in a jar. we just asked latinos something that will offend their whole heritage this is those that have
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come in the children of those that fought voting rights in the first place and coming with a whole new way of dealing with a racist way of trying to exploit the state laws to prohibit blacks and browns from having equal access to voting. >> the democrat controlled u.s. house passed the john lewis voting rights bill this week. it's on its way to the senate. faces a very tough fight, to say the least. democratic u.s. senators, amy klobuchar said they were optimistic to get republicans to support voting rights legislation or persuade their colleagues to pass a measure strictly on party lines. i'm feeling good, said klobuchar, the chairwoman and a top negotiator on the voting legislation. of note, i thought this was interesting, baldwin says she sees signs manchin could agree
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to filibuster changes which feels like the thing we've been talking about, but remember how tough they fought. the bill seems to be poised to pass anyway. do you share the optimism about this federal legislation? >> i'm going to grab on to that optimism as well. we knew that the line in the sand was hr-1, that manchin and other republicans, that was a nonstarter. there's always been this discussion about the john lewis voting rights act, the middle ground we can come together on. manchin has come forward. he laid out a framework. there's not the opposition from him. how can you get ten republican friends over to support the john lewis voting rights act? i'm going to -- i'm going to be optimistic here. i think if this discussion is bubbling up and you have that support from the moderate democrats, then it is not a lost cause.
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it is going to be an uphill battle. i think it is one we need to hold on to and keep the pressure on in events such as what the rev is hosting and the work of grassroots organizations from across the country. >> back to the event you're hosting this weekend, reverend sharpton. what is the message you hope to broadcast that would reach some of those republicans we saw senators klobuchar, baldwin, victoria saying they have an ounce of optimism and can be persuaded? >> i would say to them that if republicans even in the '60s could go for the voting rights act of '65 and then every decade since all the way to 2013 with the supreme court decision, then why are you trying to go back pre-1965? secondly, if you could carve out to go around the filibuster, around 60 votes, to confirm supreme court justices, why wouldn't we carve out around the 60 votes for something as
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fundamental and basic to a democracy like voting? voting ought to be a carveout even if you keep the senate rules the way they are. it is very focused. we're here for that purpose that we want to carve out to protect voting rights in this country so that every state that has a history of this would have to preclear any moves with the justice department and they would weigh it so it doesn't have disproportionate impact based on race or gender. >> that preclearance piece is such a big piece of this conversation. we will all be watching this weekend. thank you as always, my friend, for spending time with me and be sure to tune in to a special edition of "politics nation" on sunday 5:00 p.m. reverend al will be celebrating the show's ten-year anniversary right here on msnbc. up next, the six conservative supreme court justices threw out
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making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. the supreme court has blocked the biden administration's eviction moratorium putting hundreds of thousands of people at risk of losing their homes in the midst of a still surging pandemic. the unsigned order, which was posted late last night, was opposed by all three liberal
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justices. there were no oral arguments for the case and no full briefings which justice stephen breyer slammed writing in the dissenting opinion, quote, these questions call for considered decision making informed by full briefing and argument. their answers impact the health of millions. we should not set aside the cdc's eviction moratorium in the summary proceeding. former law clerk to justice sonia sotomayor, now an nyu law professor and msnbc legal analyst. as someone who has been in the room, melissa, help us understand how this went down and why how it went down matters. >> so this is a decision from what's known as the shadow docket and these are the emergency appeals the court takes up on an expedited basis and, again, without full briefing or even oral argument. this is a case where we didn't have full ventilation of both sides because it's happening in a very expedited, rushed fashion
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because of the emergency nature of this. so that's one of the things we've been talking about a lot over the last couple of years. the supreme court has been more and more active deciding on the shadow docket. a lot less opportunity to see the work of the court when they make decisions that will be decided. >> first i want to ask you a question about the specific ruling because the order stated it is indisputable the public has a strong interest in combatting the spread of the covid-19 delta variant but not to act unlawfully even in pursuit of desirable ends. is that your understanding? >> it is the understanding this particular court has taken in the last couple of years, that has evinced a real hostility.
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they would prefer to see these actions we see agencies like the cdc or the eba taking being done by congress itself. and so here the complaint was that the cdc issued this moratorium when what really should have happened is congress should have stepped in. >> i want to remind everyone what is at stake here and people whose lives are running up both against policy holes. they are speaking about the hardship they were facing with the biden administration's extension meant to them. take a listen. >> it's stressful. i don't know what will happen within the next week for me. >> when you go out looking for a job and you don't know when you come home at 5:00 in the evening if you're going to be locked out of your apartment or not. people need help. people are struggling right now. >> to have the stress of not knowing if i could have a home when help is available, that's
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really heartbreaking. and it really says a lot to the state of florida and how we're responding to this pandemic. >> shelters that, again, have already been traditionally under resourced especially in the state of florida, overcrowded, are now looking at really, really kind of serious impacts. >> what you're seeing right now is moms and families with children who could be evicted in the next few days when there's money sitting in the hands of our local government to pay their rent. >> melissa, speaking to the court piece of this specifically, when you step back and you look at the decisions we have seen this week whether it is on the controversial remain in mexico program, whether it is on the eviction moratorium, what is the picture that starts to come into focus of what this current court is going to look like? >> we already know what this current court is going to look like. we've known that for the last
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year. it was a 5-4 conservative court. now it is a 6-3 conservative super majority, and we've seen just over this last term with the newest justice amy coney barrett the court really has moved more toward the right in some of its rulings. this is one of them, the hostility to the administrative state, the fact we are in the middle of a pandemic and the court is second-guessing the science and the data that administrative agencies charge with public health are using to make their decisions. this is all part and parcel of what we're seeing. >> which is why this conversation about justice breyer's potential retirement comes into even sharper focus. breyer said this in a recent interview. he said he is struggling to decide when to retire from the supreme court and is taking account of a host of factors including who will name his successor. there are many things that go into retirement decision, he said. he recalled approvingly something justice and tony
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scalia told him. i don't want someone appointed who will undo everything i've done the past 25 years. that will inevitably be in the psychology of his decision, he said. how could it not be in the psychology of his decision, melissa? and i am not going to ask you to play armchair psychologist. so, instead, lay out for us what is at stake around breyer's decision. >> let me just first say that in his jurisprudence justice breyer has always been a fan of multifactor tests and it's not surprising his approach would employ a multifactor test. it's very much on brand. but he is someone who has been very clear that he's deeply, deeply worried about the polarization of politics and the way that has infiltrated the supreme court. he does not want the search for his replacement to be one that is mired in partisan politics. but that horse may already be out of the barn. it's clear what the stakes are. it's not clear the president will have the control of the
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senate going forward after the mid-term elections and it's really go time for justice breyer. and i think that's why there's been so much pressure and so much attention paid to this particular potential vacancy. >> melissa, thank you, as always. coming up, a major defeat for florida's governor and a win for parents and students who simply don't want to get sick. stay with us. as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique.
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breaking news today, a story we have been following for the past few weeks, a florida judge ruling that governor ron desantis' order banning mask mandates in schools is unconstitutional saying local school boards have the right to set their own policies like mask requirements, a major defeat for the governor who has insisted only parents can decide whether their children wear masks. the state of florida is making another grim milestone yesterday alone reporting over 900 deaths. the state's largest single day increase since the pandemic began. nationwide the picture isn't looking great either. more than 100,000 covid patients are hospitalized right now, the highest number since january before vaccines were widely available to the public. joining us now msnbc medical contributor bedalia, the founding director of the boston university center for emerging infectious diseases policy and research. more than half of florida
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students now go to schools mandating masks but these fights against masks, how are they affecting the covid rates florida is seeing right now? >> i think, alicia, i will start by the study the cdc released today. a case cluster of a teacher who was not vaccinated who was putting the mask on and taking it off when they were reading in the classroom. and in that setting half of their students ended up becoming positive when the teacher was positive. that's how contagious and transmissible this delta variant is. i will quote my friend dr. jha, we can send students to the classroom but we can't just wing it. this is hard work particularly in the setting of the transmissible variant. you really have to not just do the masking, which is the basics, but ventilate the buildings, mandate vaccines and those teachers as many states have done and really try to bring the rates of vaccinations up and all the older students
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who will be sharing the same space and require testing. we have to do the hard work. and if we don't, you are going to see more examples as you have in many states where they have opened the schools and had to send the students back in large clusters and the study the cdc released today. >> i want to read you this from "the washington post" and the headline kind of says it all. as florida faces record covid-19 deaths, desantis says biden should follow his lead. the piece goes on, you know, he said he was going to end covid. he hasn't done that, desantis told host jesse waters. at the end of the day he is trying to find a way to distract from the failures of his presidency. his comments come at a time the governor is continuing to resist coronavirus restrictions as the state's hospitals are overwhelmed during what one florida doctor recently described as a crisis of unprecedented proportions. dr. bhadalia, the delusion is apparent, but, also, a complete lack of appreciation for how
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bans on mask mandates or misinformation on vaccines prohibits anyone, any administration, from ending covid much less the fact that in his own state some morgues are at capacity. >> i'm trying to figure out what part of florida's response governor desantis thinks is a success given they're seeing more cases now and is as bad if not worse. you're seeing the same impact on the health care workers. the hospitals in that state. the thing, alicia, i've been thinking about there is this thing in public health called it's just a bias when we get a new threat -- normalcy bias. we want to pretend things are normal. most of us wise up when we see more data. when you have situations such as a state where governors and politicians continue to undermine the threat, it also misleads people who should be and could be taking steps to keep themselves safe.
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and that's, as a physician, as a public health person, i can only wish that we can turn that around and leave the politics behind. it's 18 months. it's been a long time. many of us have died, many of us have lost people. let's just leave this behind and work to get to the other side. >> in contrast to your very well-reasoned argument, i want to bring us over to texas where governor abbott is banning vaccine mandates regardless of fda approval status. can the state move in the right direction without those mandates? >> i think the trouble is the vaccines themselves have been politicized. if you were in a state where the vaccine hadn't been politicized you could get an uptick and get to a point where with, unfortunately, the number of infections they've had and the vaccines you may get to a point where you could achieve that level of balance of the virus. unfortunately, you might see
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texas, for example, has huge nursing home clusters and the reason why is at some point in the study showed 50% of nursing home workers are actually vaccinated and so are potentially bringing in the virus and passing it on. mandates in those types mandates in those type of situations is helping the vulnerable, but if you don't do that the path, you know, we know the only way to get to the other side is we get vaccinated or, unfortunately, we get the infection. so the path open to texans and others where you don't bring the vaccination rates up, unfortunately, is to get the infection. i think most of us would say that's much more dangerous. it is going to end up with more people in the hospital, more people passing away and more people with long covid. >> you flagged this tweet for us. i want to pull it up. it is from andy slavitt who writes, i am hopeful that covid is reaching a peak in southern states. the key to this is stopping the spread in schools, which is also a really good idea. talk about why this is so critical. >> yeah, i think that, you know, what i liked about andy pointing this out is that, look, you
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know, you have seen delta move through this piece finding people who are vulnerable, who don't have immunity towards this and in some cases people who had the disease and unfortunately are getting it again because with the delta variant we are seeing reinfections. once you get to the point where in the current status quo most of the people have been exposed, the new factor that is changing is colleges will open, more kids will go to school and now you will have -- that's what is going to change, right. so this those settings more vulnerable people may be exposed, so protecting our children is one way to keep the peak from continuing to go up because that's where the new cases are coming from. we've seen increases in pediatric cases, it is not news. we are seeing it with delta with the more transmissible disease. if you don't want the peak to continue, one of the ways we do this is when we change the equation and more of our kids are in school, when colleges are open, we need to make sure the gathering spaces of vulnerable people are safe. >> thank you as always for spending time with us today.
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hurricane that could come as early as late sunday, potentially on monday, and it could be a major hurricane. >> the governor of louisiana declaring a state of emergency and warning of a major storm set to hit the gulf coast. hurricane ida is predicted to make landfall on sunday, strengthening to a category 3 or higher hurricane. 16 years from the day katrina i made landfall in that state. storm preparations and evacuations are underway for what will be the most powerful storm to hit the u.s. so far this year. forecasters warn that ida will pose a significant threat to new orleans, which could see up to 11 feet of rain in some parts of the city, testing the flood walls and water pumps put in after katrina. the national weather service warns that the overtopping of local levies is possible. along with louisiana parts of mississippi and alabama are under hurricane and storm watches. that will do it for me this hour. i will see you this weekend on
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"american voices." nicolle is back on monday. the next hour of "deadline: white house" with my friend dr. jason johnson starts right after this quick break.
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our hearts go out to all those who we have lost, but, look, the mission there being performed is dangerous and it is now -- it has come with a significant loss of american personnel. and -- but it is a worthy mission as they continue to evacuate folks out of that region, out of the airport.
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evacuated more than 12,000 additional people out of the airport in the last 24 hours. i met with my commanders this morning, first thing in the morning, got a detailed briefing about yesterday's attacks and the measure they're taking to protect our forces and complete the mission, and we will complete the mission. >> hi, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. i'm jason johnson in for nicolle wallace. joe biden today having to confront new challenges of his presidency as he recognizes yesterday's horrible attack in kabul amid warning another is likely. as the president laid out many times his motivation for ending america's involvement in afghanistan was to prevent any more u.s. military deaths in america's longest war, but yesterday 13 u.s. service members were killed and 18 injured from a suicide bombing at kabul's airport. over 100 afghans died as well. over the past two days the commander in chief has voiced sympathy for the heroes lost and
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vowed retribution. "the washington post" reports on the significance of yesterday's attack for president biden. quote. the killings clearly marked a pivotal moment in biden's presidency and an episode that is likely to be part of his legacy. biden keeps a tally of u.s. service members who have died in iraq and afghanistan on a card in his breast pocket, and now for the first time that tally will include some who lost their lives on his watch. in addition to the strategic security and humanitarian challenges ahead for this administration, michael sheeran of "the new york times" writes about the possible political consequences. quote, america's tumultuous exit from afghanistan has dragged down mr. biden's approval writings, and the bombings on thursday surely will open him up to political criticism, but it was unclear what the damage will be to his presidency in the long term as he exits a war most americans want out of as well. right now the administration is navigating a surge of criticism from lawmakers which heightened in the wake of yesterday's
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attack. some republicans even have gone so far as to say biden should resign. but eugene robinson and "the washington post" poses a question. quote, how exactly did the biden administration's critics think u.s. military involvement in afghanistan was ever going to end? robinson continues, quote, certainly not like this, is not a valid answer. however tragic thursday's attacks near the kabul airport proved to be, please be specific. did you envision a formal ceremony at the u.s. embassy with the american flag being lowered and the taliban flag being raised? did you see the taliban waiting patiently while the u.s.-trained afghan army escorted our collaborators to the airport for evacuation? did you imagine that the country's branch of the islamic state would watch peacefully from the sidelines? this is not an apology for the chaotic scenes that have been unfolding in kabul. rather, it is a reality check.
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if there's a graceful way to exit from a brutal unresolved civil war on the other side of the war, please cite them because i can't find them. joining retired admiral james staff stavitus, and nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. courtney, i will start with you. we are getting information. what are we hearing out of the pentagon, out of the white house now about the possibility of further attacks? there are still people being evacuated from the country. we are still searching for people who need to be evacuated. what is the likelihood of another one of these attacks? >> so the u.s. has credible and specific intelligence about another potential attack similar to the one we saw yesterday, jason. so there are three main lines of concern that the u.s. is watching for. one is another suicide attack just like what we saw yesterday
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at the abbey gate. in this case it is someone who straps explosives to him or herself and is able to walk near or even on to karzai international airport and detonate. yesterday not only was the suicide attack the reason the military referred to it as a complex attack is because it involved more than one location or in this case more than one means of attack. after the suicide attack, there was also an ensuing gun fight. another concern though is the reality or the possibility of a vehicle-born explosive device. this would be a vehicle that would be packed with explosives, and the real concern is that somebody would be able to drive it on to karzai airport and detonate. the third one is the threat from a rocket attack. now, this could come in two forms. one would be that they would launch rockets, that they would land on the air field, pack up the runway and stop or slow the evacuation efforts.
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but a larger concern is that they would target a u.s. aircraft, particularly in this case a charter aircraft, with evacuees, potentially injuring or killing hundreds of people on board. the u.s. military aircraft, of course, have some methods they might be able to stop or deter that kind of an attack, but there are so many charter aircraft coming and going that that's one of the real concerns here. again, what is important to point out, we are now hearing from u.s. military officials that this is a specific line, a specific and credible threat, and it is continuing, jason. >> goodness gracious. look, we recently got the breakdown of the 13 service members killed in action yesterday. 11 marines, one navy corpsman and one soldier. are there any details we are hearing either about the lives lost yesterday or any additional information about the attack you can share with us today? >> no, i mean the one new thing we found out today is that there was rather than two explosions, there was one at the abbey gate, there was not a second one at
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the baron hotel, which is right nearby. you know, you can kind of chalk this up to the fog of war and the chaos that ensues after one of these attacks, that there's reports that end up -- you know, the first reports that come in end up generally have not always been completely right. there was one explosion, but there was gunfire afterwards. we don't have a really good sense of what it was that killed so many of the civilians because, remember, there were dozens of afghan civilians injured and killed in this attack as well. we don't really know if it was the initial explosion or the ensuing gun fight that caused more of the people here, but we can tell you that there was a large loss of life. one of the big questions we have been trying to find out is exactly how many were there, so many u.s. military casualties here because it wasn't just the 13 who were killed. there were also at least 18 injured. that's a huge number of casualties at one location. it may be that, again, it wasn't just the initial blast but the gun fight that followed.
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>> thank you so much. nbc's courtney kube, thank you so much for starting off our show today. i want to go straight to you, admiral. how can we protect our soldiers? how can we better protect our evacuees? this is going to be a difficult process regardless, and we don't want to get into a situation where we are sending more troops in to afghanistan to help people out, but what is the best way to keep these evacuations going smoothly and safely in the wake of what are likely going to be future attacks? >> number one, talk to the commanders on the ground. they're out walking the perimeter constantly, they're checking in with their troops. get the people who are on the ground, ask them what they need. i assure you that is exactly what the pentagon is doing now, and whatever the commanders need in terms of technology or if they do need specialized assistance, all of that can be provided even in these remaining few days.
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secondly, distasteful, but you've got to continue to coordinate with the taliban. the reality of this terrible situation is that we are hemmed in and we have to depend on the taliban for at least initial contact with all of those who want to come in, and we want to continue that process right up until the very last minute. thirdly, intelligence. a need to focus with our intelligence community. the eyes of the united states are on this zone right now. every asset we have, satellites, drones, our manned networks, if you will, the cia, all of that intelligence has to flow in there. those are kind of the three keystones, but all of it, you know, i'm with courtney here. there are so many different scenarios, we know the islamic state tends to come in waves when they attack. i'm very concerned about somebody going after an aircraft
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or perhaps even using a truck bomb from inside the airport, fuel trucks that move all around that airport, civilian side to the military side. it is going to be a very dicey few days. let's all keep our troops and our evacuees in our thoughts and prayers. >> jeremy, i want to play you some sound from congress member seth moton this morning talking about the challenges of working with the taliban which the admiral just referenced. i will get your thoughts on the other side. >> what was it like for you to see as a veteran of several tours, to see the united states relying on the taliban and effectively working with the terrorist group? >> i mean it was the most bizarre thing i could ever imagine, and these marines who grew up knowing that the taliban harbored the people who attacked us on 9/11 we're now asked to work with these terrorists, but we have to to save lives.
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one of the most important things we've learned by being there on the ground is that that crazy relationship with the taliban is actually going to be really important going forward, because no matter how -- even if we extend the deadline to september 11th, the negotiated original date with the taliban, we cannot possibly save all of these people. there will be tens of thousands that we leave behind, and the only way to get them out in the future is if we have a productive relationship with the taliban. >> jeremy, this is really interesting to me because i think what the congressman mentioned applies to both the taliban and to americans. the young people out there fighting right now, they were kids when 9/11 happened. they may have been born in 2003. you could be 18, 19 years old and have been born after this war. what is it like or what are sort of your thoughts with this idea that the united states, a whole new generation of people who have been in this forever war, are having to build relationships for this
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evacuation when their whole lives they've been told that the other side is the enemy? >> no, it is as bizarre as representative moulton said, but it is as important as he and the admiral just said. it is what is necessary to accomplish this mission, and we have been hearing, you know, the veterans that i work with and that are members of iraq and afghanistan, veterans of america and many other veterans groups, they have been furious for weeks, and it is not about our working with the taliban. that may be some of it, but what the anger is coming from is the fact that the warning have been there for so long that we have been saying this loudly and with the same voice, that we have to have started earlier to get our allies out. that is really where the anger is going. i think the questions that eugene robinson raised in "the washington post" article you mentioned in the beginning are correct and fair, but i think what it misses is that a lot of the anger right now is from the fact much of this could have been avoided had the president, had this administration followed what so many of us were telling them, which was that you needed to start this evacuation of the special immigrant visa
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applicants months ago. they did what they needed to do in order to qualify for these visas a long time ago. it had nothing to do with the speed of the taliban advance. it had nothing to do with when or how long it may have taken for the afghan government to fall. they qualified in many cases years ago if not a decade ago, and if we had gotten them out and had been working on this for several years the situation certainly could be better. >> jeremy, i'm glad you mentioned that because i -- you know, the last several weeks i have been talking to friends of mine who have been deployed in different generations, i have friends in their 30s and 40s, people who will be on the ground fighting and saw the problems all along. with that in mind, do you think it is realistic for the u.s. government to keep this sort of august 31st deadline or do we need to go back to the drawing board with the taliban and say, hey, look, we're not going to be able to get all of these people out by august 31st, can you give us more time and space? it seems to me it is more important to get the job done than it is to get the job done on a particular date. what are your thoughts? >> yeah, i think it was a lot
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easier to say, hey, let's stick it out for as long as it is necessary to get everyone out up until yesterday morning. that changed a lot. we all feared that an attack like this was coming, but it just shows how dangerous it is for every additional day that we're there. that said, it is also an imperative that we continue to do what we need to do to get our allies out. my opinion is that it is going to make the most sense to stick to the 31st deadline, but then also absolutely ensure we have a plan in place, that we're communicating and doing everything possible so that we can continue to get allies out, continue to get americans out long after the end of this operation, be it on the 31st or be it several days after. >> admiral, the polling numbers show that the vast majority of americans think that we should be doing all we can to help afghan refugees, to help interpreters. i mean the republicans, the independents, it is the only thing we seem to be able to agree on in this country for the last six or seven years. what needs to be done on this end, on the american side to not only vet the refugees who come here but make sure they can
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integrate their lives in the united states of america? you've got families. you know, these are -- i always want to break this stereotype. this is not every part of afghanistan is a third world country. you have doctors, you have lawyers, you have school teachers. these people are trying to build new lives here. how are we going to make that process easier for them as they come to the united states? >> well, i'm really encouraged by what i have seen here starting out with the poll numbers, and also, you know, it is in our dna. when people come from this kind of refugee situation, they come here to this country, so often they become game changers for our nation. we have seen that over and over again, cuban american community, the vietnamese american community. i think this afghan community will be strong and very effective. i will tell you why. what they're going through is like "the hunger games." how much determination and grit and endurance does it take to put your 2 year old on your back, grab your 4 year old's
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hand, take your wife or your husband and make it through the gauntlet of kia? i want that person on my team not only because it is the right thing to do, but they are the kind of people who overcome obstacles, who have ingenuity, who are often strong leaders. so that's what i want us to accept, is the importance of doing this, and i think you are off to a good start. you see the civilian communities all across the country rising up. you see great organizations like jeremy's that are building sponsor kinds of programs. you see the u.s. military, capable of taking tens of thousands of them on to bases, and give them a springboard into american life. if we do that, it will be repaid to us many times over. we have seen that again and again. >> out of these thousands of people we are bringing here, there are future doctors, lawyers, teachers, husbands, wives, proebls members of
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congress. admiral and jeremy butler, thank you for starting us off on this hour. after the break, despite the flood of death threats and racist attacks from the far right, the officer who shot and killed a capitol terrorist charging on the house chamber on january 6th is stepping out of hiding, speaking to nbc's lester holt. plus, millions of texans poised to lose critical voting rights and millions of renters poised to lose their homes. the new two-front fight that's opened up in america in just the last 24 hours. and the california recall election and why it is important enough that president biden himself is planning to get involved. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break, so don't go anywhere. ot a weeke. fifteen minutes until we board. oh yeah, we gotta take off. you downloaded the td ameritrade mobile app so you can quickly check the markets? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. have a great flight. thanks. we'll see ya.
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were you afraid that day? >> i was very afraid. >> are you afraid now going forward? >> i am. i am afraid because i know there's people that disagree with my actions on january 6th, but i hope they understand i did my job and there was imminent threats and danger to the members of congress. >> that was capitol police lieutenant michael byrd, the man who shot and killed terrorist ashli babbit on january 6th, revealing himself in public for the first time during an interview yesterday with nbc's lester holt. byrd, a 28-year veteran of the capitol police force, says he saved countless lives that day as he prevented rioters from reaching the house chamber where he says he was protecting 60 to 80 staff members and staff. byrd has been in hiding since the insurrection after his name leaked on right wing sites
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resulting in racist remarks and death threats. let's take a listen. >> can you give us the nature of some of those threats? >> they talked about, you know, killing me, cutting off my head, you know, very vicious and cruel things. >> racist things? >> there were some racist attacks as well. it is all disheartening because i know i was doing my job. >> given the nature of the threats that you describe, do you have any concern about showing your face and identifying yourself? >> of course, i do. that is a very vital point, and it is something that is frightening. i believe i showed the utmost courage on january 6th, and it is time for me to do that now. >> joining our conversation is dr. christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university and a politics editor at "the grill." and frank figliuzzi, former
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director of counterintelligence, host of "the bureau" podcast and an msnbc political analyst. doctor, i'm going to start with you. there's a piece i wrote several months ago talking about eugene goodman. he was the african-american officer who basically saved mitt romney's life by taunting terrorists and leading them away from the chamber. now we have officer byrd coming forward, talking about the danger he was in and how he had to shoot ashli babbit. i want you to talk a little bit about what is the significance of two of the most known heroes of this insurrection on january 6th being black men and the unique dangers that they face in standing up to these groups that may not be the same for some of the white officers who were also defending congress. >> right. thank you, jason. i mean full stop we know that january 6th had racist undertones and overtones. you know, the president of the united states at the time jinned up his base to then go overthrow the capitol and we saw the
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swastikas there, we saw the confederate flags. we know many of the people if not the vast majority of the people believe that america should be for a certain type of white individual, not for immigrants and definitely not for people of color and people of african descent. when we think about how black people have defended this country not just on january 6th but from the beginning of our history when we think about all of the wars we've had, when we think about police officers who have been killed by their colleagues, black police officers, we think about black officers returning from world wars i and ii and being lynched in their uniforms, we know there's a disconnect with how this country sees black law enforcement and black police officers and black military personnel, male and female, and the level of respect that they've failed to receive over decades. so when we think about officers robinson and all of the other extra black officers that day, they had a dual job that day.
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it was not just to protect the american people, protect the capitol, but also to try to protect themselves. we can see from the horrific footage the people who stormed the capitol were out for blood, not just for mitt romney and vice president pence, but definitely african-americans. and to do that in washington, d.c., a majority black city, says a lot. so these two black officers who risked their lives literally to save american democracy should not go into the dust bin of history. until we actually face the facts, the real facts of what happened on january 6th and the racist overtones and undertones we can't move forward as a nation. so many republican elected officials should be ashamed of themselves for trying to make it seem as though it was just a little bit of a parade that got a teeny bit unruly. that's not what it was. it cannot go into the history books as such. >> eugene goodman, michael byrd, these are african-americans who put their lives on the line to keep this country safe and still can't get protection for the
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right to vote. frank figliuzzi, i want to bring up an interesting part of the conversation from nbc. officer byrd talked about the fact he did not if ashli babbit was armed or not, but he still felt like he needed to do his job. now, look, i'm not an expert. i'm not an officer, i'm not fbi. i'm deferring to you on this, but to me if you are that far in building at that point, you are a threat. it seemed reasonable to me that he could use whatever force was available. but, you know, from a security standpoint and a safety standpoint, was he justified in using lethal force even if he didn't know that ashli babbit was armed? >> well, we don't have to take your layman's opinion on this. we can look toward the three separate investigations that have been done including department of justice civil rights investigation, including u.s. capitol police internal affairs investigation, and all of these investigations have found that he was well within the deadly force policy.
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what do most deadly force policies for police departments say? an officer needs to be in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or others. that in my opinion -- and i have led during a portion of my career as chief inspector in the fbi, i led all use of force shooting inquiries within the fbi. i would have come to this same conclusion. now, i'm going to tell you something. i'm monitoring law enforcement forums where law enforcement hang out, even law enforcement executives. here is what i am saying and hearing in terms of this. they're saying in any other police department this officer would have been fired or found to be outside the scope of the policy for deadly force, and then here is the problem. when someone comes back and says to them, have you seen all of the video from inside that building? have you listened to the radio traffic that lieutenant byrd was hearing then with regard to
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officers down, officers assaulted, people wanting to kill nancy pelosi, the screams that he was hearing from the other side of that door coming at him. he was that thin blue line that day, and when that window in that door crashed and he had 60 to 80 congress members and staff behind him, he was that guy between the murderous crowd and those protectes. when you ask them that question you often get the answer, well, i haven't listened to all of that. so, you know, if you think it is an unreasonable use of force it is probably because you are ignoring the available facts, the radio traffic and the testimony of police from inside that building. the other aspect to this that i'm seeing on forums, particularly extremist forums, is the racial aspect of this. many, many commentators there saying if this was a white officer who shot a black lives matter protester, he would be arrested. of course, this is -- this is not an equal -- this is apples
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and oranges. the facts aren't the same there, right? and so there is no other police department like the capitol police who protect literally our democratic process. he was within his policy. he did do the right thing, and his coming out to speak about it i view as a second act of heroism for lieutenant byrd. >> yeah. i mean given the fact that botham jean is a black man who gets shot in his home, jefferson can be shot in her home playing video games, it seems clear to me black people can be shot regardless of what they happen to be doing. but, frank, i think there's something key about this. given the large number of people who were part of that insurrection who were also either former or current law enforcement or military people, talk about how that creates an increased danger for somebody like officer byrd coming forward because the people who are coming after him aren't just your angry people on the streets. some of these people might be trained officers. they actually know how to track somebody down and harm them. >> there's no question that there is chatter right now as we
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speak about bringing harm to lieutenant byrd, people calling him the most vile names, people trying to figure out where he is. he is a hero, not a target, and i have to assume and hope that he has taken precautions for his own security, his family's security, but he's doing the right thing. you know, it is a funny thing about truth and facts. they're like sunshine. you can only block them out for so long. they want to shine. he needs to get this truth out so people can hear it. >> dr. greer, you know, frank has mentioned several times he is paying attention to the chatter online, the communication. the january 6th committee has subpoenaed a lot of logs from social media. they're going after fortune and akun, gab and google and i'm sure tinder and others are on there. clearly these are places people were connecting to prepare, discuss and justify their behavior. what do you think the january
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6th commission could get out of this? some of it obviously will be a lot of people talking, but from a political standpoint, an investigative standpoint, what do you think they might get off google or some chat line about the january 6th insurrectionists? >> well, jason, we know that many people, you know, on these dating apps have actually been able to assist the fbi because so many of these men who stormed the capitol are bragging about it when they're trying to get a date. i think the january 6th commission needs to do several things. one, and this is a priority for me, find out actually how many republican members of congress actually knew that this was happening and whether or not they were communicating with people who were inside the capitol. i think that actually is something that we must get to the bottom of. in addition to not just the law enforcement officers who were there, i'm actually concerned with the number of educators who were in that crowd as well. these are people who are with our children day in and day out, and they're willing to threaten not just the lives of capitol police officers but our democracy at large. i'm also hoping that the january 6th commission can make sure that, you know, i don't know if
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republicans can hear that this is an american issue that we need to get to the bottom of. it absolutely should not be partisan. it should not be seen as a democratic witch hunt. we should really care about what happened for the future of this democratic republic. >> if you are a terrorist on a dating app, you want to be out here, you don't really want to be out here. you think you want to be out here on a dating app, but you don't. dr. christina greer and frank figliuzzi, thank you for your time today on "deadline: white house". coming up, the twin crises that erupted overnight. the gop assault on democracy in texas and the threat to millions of americans struggling to make ends meet as we surpass 18 months of the coronavirus pandemic. st reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon.
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courts have pointed out over and over and over again intentional discrimination against african-americans, intentional discrimination against latinos, intentional discrimination against people of color, these are not my words, these are three federal courts across this country, making ten findings of that intention at discrimination. >> intentional discrimination against people of a certain race, is that racism? >> that is -- >> ms. hinojosa -- >> those words intentional discrimination i think can be fairly characterized in that manner. >> we can talk about racial impacts of this legislation without accusing members of this body of being racist.
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>> can you though? i don't really think so because, brutal, and, yes, racist voter suppression laws like the one getting final passage out of the texas house this afternoon don't seem like they're actually designed to stop widespread voter fraud. consider the fact texas attorney ken paxton's office spent 22,000 hours looking for voter fraud in 2020 and uncovered just 16 cases of false addresses on registration forms according to "the houston chronicle". nearly 17 million voters are registered in texas, and seemingly adjacent to the news from texas yesterday another development, equally out of touch with reality. the supreme court pulled the rug out from under renters blocking the cdc from enforcing president biden's federal moratorium on evictions. from "the new york times", quote, the decision puts hundreds of thousands of tenants at risk of losing shelter while the administration struggles to speed the flow of billions of
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dollars in federal funding to people who are behind in rent because of coronavirus pandemic and its associated economic hardship. joining us now is julian castro, former secretary of housing and urban development and former mayor of san antonio, now the host of "our america" podcast. and ally mistal is also here. i'm going to start with this. we talked about this several weeks ago on my podcast on slate. this eviction moratorium is an absolute mess. one, there's billions of dollars of money made available to help people stay in their homes not yet properly distributed. worse, if there's a stop gap created by nancy pelosi and the house you run into the situation of hundreds of thousands of people having an eviction on their record which will make it more expensive to get another place to live. how did we get here and what are the options to protect hundreds of thousands of people while we're in a raging pandemic from being thrown out in the street
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or into a hospital? >> yeah, it is a big fail, jason, on so many different levels, the failure of the court, as justice breyer pointed out in his dissent, this is an issue that the court has not adjudicated on, not opined on exactly before. so they should have taken time to actually hear the oral arguments and make a final decision after that. they didn't do that. because of that, as you say, potentially hundreds of thousands of people in this country or more may be kicked out summarily because there's no protection anymore. it was a fail on the part of state and local governments not getting that aid out to needy tenants and landlords. only about 10% of those billions of dollars, $47 billion, has actually reached the hands of people that need it. this was even after the administration pushed them to streamline their bureaucrat processes to make it easier for the money to get out there and gave them more time. you remember, on august 3rd they
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refashioned this eviction moratorium from the cdc to buy a little bit of time. that hasn't seemed to really jump start the process. so it is a big fail. what should happen now is that congress should take it up, but also states that don't have an eviction moratorium in place should push to get one in place. localities that have the authority under the state charter to -- or state constitution to create their own should do that right now. >> ely, we had audio of the texas speaker of the house saying, hey, i'm sick and tired of you ocean talking about this ocean and having to say wet. he doesn't want anybody to talk about racism as they're trying to pass a racist law to suppress the vote. i want to connect it to our administration. earlier this year president joe biden said these attacks on voting rights for black people are the biggest threat this country has faced since the civil war, and yet he doesn't appear to have done much. most of the answers that we get from the administration boil down to, i really think you black people can just organize a
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bit harder, time for you to make your own bricks. from a legal standpoint, what should be happening at the department of justice about these kinds of laws that we first have seen in georgia, now we see a worse version in texas and soon we will see it in other states as we head into the mid terms? >> texas democrats have shown us what men of true will do when faced with horrible laws. the laws in texas are racist. we know that because they have a racially disparate effect. the thing that's supposed to happen in that situation is that the justice department is supposed to sue the states for their racism, which is a violation of voting rights act and, more importantly, the 15th amendment. then we are supposed to have courts that up hold the 15th amendment, but we don't really have that, do we? that's where it ties into your first story here. democrats have to stop acting like peter quill, punching phanos awake and being surprised when they get snapped.
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all right. the court is out to lunch. the court is in yolo mode. they are no longer bound by constitutional strictures. they don't care about the 15th amendment. they don't care about the voting rights act. they don't care about the separation of powers. they are doing this all on the shadow docket. remember, people, the court isn't even in session right now. they don't come back until october. they did this for fun to kick people out on to the streets. at some point democrats have to do something, as representative castro well knows. there is a bill in congress right now supported by mondaire jones that calls for expanding the number of justices on the supreme court from nine to twelve. that's what has to happen next because this supreme court has proven consistently that they do not care about precedent, they do not care about voting rights, they do not care about the 15th amendment. somebody has to stop them. >> secretary castro, i am thinking back to yesterday when
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president biden was answering questions about afghanistan. he just kind of lowers his head, right. we are seeing with afghanistan president biden, when there's something that he believes in, he will take the heat. he will take it from democrats, he will take it from republicans, he will take it from the outside when it is something he believes in. i want to show you this tweet by sarah kinsador, one of my favorite writers right now. this is a list of things joe biden hasn't handled. this is a list of things that president biden hasn't addressed that are fundamental to protecting our democracy. he has not been as aggressive on voting rights as he has been about afghanistan. he has not been as aggressive about hunt indown former members of the trump administration as he has been on other issues. he has not been as aggressive on the eviction moratorium. as a democrat and someone who served in an administration, what do you need to tell your party or this administration about how dire our circumstances are? we're no longer at halftime. we are at the end of the fourth quarter and we're down 20
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points. >> yeah, especially on the issue of voting rights. those are so fundamental. not only are you talking about people's access to the ballot box, you are talking about, you know, if you want to put it in terms that politicians will understand, their survival in office. you are not going to have a democratic majority in the house or the senate come january of 2023 if these republicans are allowed to continue to rig the elections toward their own favor. you know, manchin, sinema and, of course, the president need to understand the urgency of that, and it is all about priorities. i don't doubt that president biden agrees with a lot of the positions that, you know, democrats have taken, even many of the progressive democrats, but -- and that he has a good heart, but it is where are your priorities. you are willing to go to the mat on issues a, b and c, but on d, e and f you are not. what he risks if he doesn't address voting rights, if he doesn't address other issues
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like immigration in a bold, positive way, is that you are going to shatter that democratic coalition and also, maybe more importantly, you are shortchanging the quality of life and the life outcomes of many people in this country. >> i want to point out hundreds of thousands of people being out of their homes doesn't just exacerbate the pandemic, but people without houses have a lot of trouble voting as well. julian castro and ely mastow, thank you for spending time with us today. coming up, the california recall election and its potential implication for every single democrat across the country, that's next. don't turn that channel. "deadline: white house" is coming back.
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all the time saying, hey, make sure you vote against the recall. as somebody on the ground and particularly connected to the latino community and brown community, are people really paying attention to this recall? because clearly the far right is jinned up about it, but is the rest of the state absolutely, the question is who's paying attention to us? we see organizations for humane human rights. their organizers are going door-to-door, talking to neighbors and implications if governor newsom does get a new call. we see 17 or 18 year old kids, making their case they are tired of drinking dirty water and breathing dirty air. are they talking about the issues they care about. >> dr. carter, you and i have studied about this.
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recall elections can be complicated. i have seen the california ballot, it is not easy. are you in favor of the recall or are you not in favor. it is so confusing when you go to mcdonald's and you don't know the menu. what's the possibility that the ballot itself or just the structure of california's recall elections end up giving us a result that's not reflective of how people feel on the ground or the state. . >> you put that nail on the head there. people feel the question they have to answer both parts. really you only have to answer the first part, do you want a recall, and you can stop there. well, people are not clear about the rules if they don't answer all the questions right then their ballot may not be counted.
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this is where it is really important for the people to be explained and what the first of the question is going to get them to. if i say yes to the first part of the question then even if i don't pick somebody in the second part, one of those people could become the governor which takes 20% of the vote of the state of california or even less. that's a scary proposition that most people don't want to happen. >> and speaking of one of those who may slip into the office with 20% of the vote. we got larry elder, he's a talk show host and he has been a grotesque liar, first thing joe biden was illegitimate and backtracking on that. is the fear -- look, 15 years
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ago and even arnold schwarzenegger, people thought it was interesting having him. larry elder getting into office, the kind of thing that galvanizing folks on the ground. okay, i don't want larry elder to be my governor. >> larry elder has been campaigning across the state promoting this antiimmigrant and antilatino agenda. what i remind that, while that'll win you votes but not reelections. 30 years ago under pete wilson who was promoting 187 to ban healthcare and undocumented immigrants. latino communities, black communities and asian communities and communities came together to fight against that hate. that's the reason why we see the progressive california we see today. i would remind him and everyone else running in this recall election that you may win a couple of votes here or there
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but it will not win you this recall election. until the day the republican party learns that, they'll never win the majority of the latino vote. >> dr. carter, you got joe biden coming in and you may have other prominent democrats show up in the state. is it a bad sign for democrats in california that you have to have national figures showing up to campaign for an incumbent governor or a reflection of a broken system in california where a group of rich-alt-right people can create the recall. >> a little bit of both. >> it makes sense joe biden and kamala harris would be showing up there. they're thinking about 2022 and what it is going to be moving forward. it is also the case that rules are very lacks around recall and given the razor thin margin in
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the state like california, i don't think you want to leave anything to change. will it change california's mind, probably not. maybe some of those undecided voters who may not be certain about newsom or trusting kamala harris, that could be for them and help them decide their choice. >> thank you so much for spending some time with us on "deadline." we'll be right back after a quick break. ine. we'll be right back after a quick break. named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network. trading isn't just a hobby. it's your future. so you don't lose sight of the big picture,
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overwhelming for parents, sending kids back to school. families in the midwest may be getting a glimpse into their future courtesy of what's happening down south. more than 80 school districts or charter networks have closed or delayed in-person classes for at least one entire school in more than a dozen states. at the college level, faculty have pushed back in-person classes until the school provides safety measures. across the country, schools from the university of virginia have imposed vaccination requirements to attend or kick out students who refuse. while the incentives to get kids back to school is strong and keeping staff safe, too many colleges and schools are not willing to take the step to make hybrid or virtual classes available. everyone wants to act it is okay but the delta variant says
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otherwise. that does it for us at this hour. nicole will be back on monday. change that dial, "the beat" with ari melber is starting now. >> i can hear you, have a great weekend, sir. >> thank you, ari. >> thank you to jason. i want to welcome everyone to "the beat," i am ari melber. we continue our coverage with kabul. we have more information coming about one day later, 95 afghans among that count. now another 180 people wounded. tonight there are new warnings, the president asked security teams they are getting credible information that another attack in kabul is likely. this is what they are up against. we are sort of getting realtime information about it. obviously everyone

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