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unanimous on the largest fine they have never recommended for anything like this in the history of the commission. i mean, again, we don't know exactly how this will ultimately bear out, including in the criminal cases related to this but those robocalls for so disgusting and so pernicious, and had an effect that can't be undone except by preventing it from ever happening again through deterrence, and this is designed to be that. >> yeah, this is a very important decision. thank you for that reporting, rachel. >> indeed, thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. president biden delivered important speech from the roosevelt room with an update on the number of people evacuated from afghanistan, which proves, once again that this is the best run evacuation from a war that america lost, which is the only way to describe what this evacuation is. there is only one evacuation in our history that compares to this one and that is the military evacuation from vietnam in 1975 after we lost
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that war, and by every measure, this evacuation is going much better than the vietnam evacuation. and it has been from the start. the simple truth is the american military does not know how to do a better job of evacuating from wars that we lose. we will have more on that later in this hour, but we begin now with what's the president began with today in his very important speech. >> just got off the telephone with the leaders in the house, today the house of representatives taking significant steps towards making historic investments that is going to transform america. cut taxes for working families and position america economy for a long term growth. today's growth in the house allowed him to consider my build back better agenda, a broad framework to make housing
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more affordable, bring down the cost of prescription drugs by giving medicare the power to negotiate lower prices for drugs. make elder care more affordable. provide two years of free universal high quality pre-k. and two years of free community college. provide clean energy tax credits, continue to give the middle class families the well deserve tax cut for daycare and health care that they deserve. allowing a lot of women to get back to work, primarily. and provide significant monthly tax cuts for monthly families with -- look, i want to thank speaker pelosi who was masterful in her leadership on this. i also want to think every democrat in the house who worked so hard over the past few weeks to reach an agreement. and who supported the process for health consideration of the jobs and infrastructure plan, the build back better. strong points of you are always welcome, what is important is that we came together to
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advance our agenda. >> if you are betting on nine a moderate democrats who became ten moderate democrats at the last minute in the house to knock nancy pelosi off the legislative track that she has set up for the infrastructure bills, you bet wrong. those ten democrats publicly insisted that they would not absolutely would not vote for the budget resolution that would begin the biggest part of the infrastructure bill in the house, which is supported only by democrats, unless the house voted first on the bipartisan infrastructure bill that has already passed the senate. that was their demand, very simple, first we vote on the senate infrastructure bill, before we do anything else, we vote on the senate infrastructure bill and only then will we vote for the budget resolution, and so, today, they all voted for the budget resolution first after being promised by speaker pelosi that they would be
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allowed to vote on the senate infrastructure bill by september 22nd. that was the compromised speaker pelosi struck to get over the speed bump presented by ten house members. and so the biden infrastructure legislature remains smoothly on track in the house of representatives, and in the senate which has already passed with only democratic votes the 3.5 trillion-dollar budget resolution that the house passed today. not a single republican in the house voted today to improve america's infrastructure. ohio congressman tim ryan who is now a candidate for senate in ohio, told the republicans what they were voting against. >> what's your mad about is that we are delivering for the american people, we saved pensions, we cut taxes for working class people, invested in the communities, invested in the schools, and now, universal preschool, everyone can go to community college, vision,
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dental, hearing from medicare recipients, paid family leave. >> after the budget resolution vote, the house passed the john lewis voting rights advancement act on a party line vote with every republican voting against voters rights. >> i also want to think everyone who voted to support the john lewis voting rights act. advancing, it's an act to expand voting protections, to prevent voter suppression, and to secure the most sacred of american rights, the right to vote freely, the right to vote fairly and the right to have your vote count. >> leading off our discussion tonight's democratic congresswoman, katie porter of california. thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. these really important votes tonight in the house. i have to say, i did not feel a lot of suspense in the maneuver
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that the ten house democrats were trying to use as leverage against nancy pelosi. it seemed, and by the way, they seemed reasonable about being able to compromise, and so, you're now moving forward, is it fair to say that the biden infrastructure bills are on track now in the house of representatives? >> well today we took, we moved forward three key priorities. these are parties that house democrats ran on, the president biden ran on, and those parties were to protect voting rights, to repair our infrastructure and to strengthen our economy so we can compete globally and today's vote move all of these things forward. speaker pelosi has been clear from the beginning that we were gonna deliver president biden's job plan and his families plan together. because we understand that those things are connected, and what today's vote did was set that process up just as we had
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expected it to go. >> i want to listen to something that president biden said today about how this is paid for. >> and this is all paid for, instead of giving every break in the world to corporations and ceos, by the way 55 of our largest companies in america pay zero dollars in federal taxes, on more than 40 billion dollars of profit last year, we can ask corporations and the very wealthy to pay their fair share, they can still be very wealthy, they can still make a lot of money, they just have to pay their fair share. >> this is a concept that is pulling very strongly. usually the pay for side of legislation is the part that doesn't pull so well. but americans seem to support the concept of the fair share being paid especially by rich corporations. >> well, of course they should. everybody should pay their fair share. those largest corporations make
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extensive use of our infrastructure, our roads, our ports, our bridges, they sell to u.s. consumers, they take advantage of our american workforce. public education that our workforce receives. so it is not surprising to me that everybody thinks the tax fairness is an important concept. i think this is something that you're seeing in polling, and you're hearing on the ground. i'm certainly hearing that democrats, republicans, independents, tax fairness is about having a strong, stable healthy economy. if we want to compete globally, we need to make some of these investments. paid family leave, inch childcare, infrastructure, that's exactly what we're going to do with this bill. >> other any pieces that got knocked out of the senate bipartisan bill that will find their way into the budget reconciliation bill? >> absolutely. the bill that the house sent over to the senate on infrastructure contained a lot more investments in clean energy, combatting climate
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change, coastal resilience, working on drug resilience. all of those things came out with the senate bipartisan process, so those are exactly the kinds of priorities the things that need to be done to protect our planet, to strengthen our economy, that the house is going to be looking to work with our senate counterparts on to put in the budget process. and the committee structure will have the ability right now, we're having discussions not only about what we want to put in the budget reconciliation process, but also hopper gonna pay for it. >> and what is the schedule for the committee's reporting back so that the budget reconciliation bill can be voted on in the house. is that a september vote? >> i think that's gonna be a september vote, we go back and we're gonna be there in washington for two weeks at the end of september. i think will see different committees come forward at different times, but ice expect that we will start to see the contours of this legislation come forward here after labor
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day, and up through september 15th or so. the goal is to give congress members on both sides of the aisle, and both the house in the senate a chance to be in conversation, flush out these plans. the president has laid out key priorities. he talked about two four years of community college, talked about tax fairness, he talked about, you know, addressing paid family leave, childcare, now we have to get down to exactly what that is going to look like on the ground. what are the programs going to look like? are they gonna be universal? are they gonna help everybody? what can we do on prescription drugs? what can we do to expend vision, dental and hearing for seniors? we know what our parties are, now we're gonna figure out how are gonna deliver them and how are gonna pay for them. >> congresswoman katie porter, thank you so much for starting off our discussion tonight, we really appreciate. it >> thank you. >> thank you. and joining our discussion now norm ornstein congressional historian, scholar at the american enterprise institute and john heilemann, we host of the hell and high-water
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podcast. john heilemann, we have convene this group of four to judge just how on track the infrastructure bill is, and i remember a question last week was, are the democrats in the house are, the ten democrats who turned out to be the speed bump or roadblocks, i think we pick speed bump, nancy pelosi got out of that speed bump pretty easily, john? >> really easily, lawrence, there was little reporting -- what struck me as a little hyperbolic reporting was oh man, we're really heading, this is going to be a tough week, and nancy pelosi is not even speaking to these moderates, man, this is ugly, it's getting ugly on capitol hill, and i just thought, this is a real thing, you know, some work is gonna have to happen, but by the standards of tough acts that nancy pelosi has had to deal with in her career, this was not set the highest rate of
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difficulty. in aggregate, and i know norman, you and i have talked about this before, in aggregate the whole thing they're trying to do is about as hard as anything other seen congress trying to put off, when you think by the infrastructure piece, lending the planes at the same time, all of that. but overcoming those ten moderates, who, you know, turned out in your opening were kind of folded, they feel like they got a victory but boy they sold out pretty quick and pretty cheap and, i think that nancy pelosi knew that was going to happen. >> norman, nancy pelosi isn't even granting the point that there was a deal, she simply saying, no, we just clarified exactly when the vote would be in september and i mean, we're laughing just because, in the past we've all seen these kinds of ultimatums derail legislation. they become sometimes delayed for months at a time. we developed this confidence
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that, well if this problem is thrown in front of nancy pelosi, it will disappear. >> you know, let's give props to john, who have said so many times on the show that you should never underestimate nancy pelosi. and i will tell you, lawrence, i've been around the house for more than 50 years, i've known every leader from john mccormack and jerry forward on. i've seen weak leaders and strong leaders, corrupt leaders, leaders who were followers, i have never seen a leader as masterful and adept as politics as nancy pelosi. and just keep in mind as we get through all of this, there is some pressure on chuck schumer now, with timing to get 50 democrats on board in the senate. but with no leeway in the senate, not a single republican willing to support any of this, including the voting rights act that got unanimous support that last time before it was gutted by john roberts.
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being able to lose only three, she got every single democrat and if all of this goes through with those merchants, it's not gonna be 3.5 trillion, it might be three point to whatever it might be, it is amazing that this could happen with these numbers and let's give the props where they belong, and it starts with nancy pelosi. john, joe manchin did the ted cruz move, not as dramatic as ted cruz dug back in the day, but they reached across the campus and tried to influence the house of representatives. which is simply not done. it's not supposed to be done. and they had no effect, they were trying to encourage the ten moderate democrats to hold the line, and in the end, nancy pelosi really crushed joe manchin and the senator in that
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attempt. the thing about that lawrence is it's not supposed to be done, the only penalty for trying to do it, is the penalty that was inflicted on mansion this week which was they look like ineffectual, they look ineffectual, i'll that isn't a noun rather than an adjective. they look sort of pathetic for having tried. and it gives you a sense that we know these two chambers have their own dynamics in their own way of operating, i think that's with this highlights more than anything, joe manchin and kristen sinema, they will use their power, their leverage, in the senate, to extract sessions, we saw before, we're going to see it again, in the house it's very hard for individual members, and even small clicks of individuals, to act in that same way. especially when you have a strong leader, there's just more punishment that can be dole out, there's more pain
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that can be inflicted, and so you just ultimately aligned yourself, you're one that's looking at and saying am i really going to get cross ties with nancy pelosi, is that my really political interest, i don't think it is. and that's the difference between the senate and the house. joe manchin is rewarded in the senate, in these moderates understood that there is no upside in thin standing in nancy pelosi's win this. >> norm ornstein, john heilemann think you so much for reconvening the supreme court in the infrastructure bill here. i really appreciate it. coming up, the evacuation from afghanistan, the biden administration has already achieved in that evacuation, what many reporters called possible, just last week. we will be joined next by a west point graduate, who lost posed of his legs in afghanistan, who says what we
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out, for over a week, now contrary to most media reporting, the biden administration, and american military are actually conducting the most successful evacuation yet, from a war that america lost. >> as of this afternoon, we've helped evacuate 70, 700, people just since august 14. 75,900 people since the end of july. just in the past 12 hours, another 19 u.s. military flights, 18 c-17s in one c-130, carrying approximately 6400 evacuees, and 31 coalition flights carrying 5600 people, have left kabul.
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just in the last 12 hours. a total of 50 more flights, 12,000 more people, since we've updated you this morning. >> last week, there were some brave reporters on the scene in afghanistan, who actually predicted, that that could not happen. predicted that we would not get 50,000 people out of afghanistan. pentagon press secretary admiral john kirby, today explained the difference between the first day of the evacuation, and today. >> the crush of those first few days, has reduced, as more order and structure around the airport has increased, security, the processing flow itself, has just gotten better, and the crowds around the airport are smaller than they were before. so, the situation around the airport right now is just not the same, it's not as chaotic
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as it was in the first couple of days. >> this is only the second time, second time the american military has mounted a major evacuation from a war, that we lost. the first time was vietnam, the americans were driven out of vietnam at gunpoint in those final days, the final two american soldiers killed in action in vietnam, were killed by rocket fire, during the evacuation. they were killed the day before the final helicopter left vietnam, their bodies were left behind, in a saigon hospital. the evacuation from vietnam, was much much worse. than anything we have seen in afghanistan this week. the evacuation from vietnam, should have taught people like george w. bush, who watched that evacuation on television from the safety of his home in texas, that we do not know how, two fights and win, it will
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defined wars, in places like vietnam and afghanistan, and we have no idea how to safely evacuate everyone, from a lost war, in places like vietnam and afghanistan. president george w. bush, even after our experience, wrongly entering the vietnam war, losing that war, and evacuating from that war in disgrace and dishonor, made the mistake, of believing, that he could do it, he could do it in afghanistan. george w. bush believes he could do the impossible. our next guest is someone who paid a heavy price in the war that george w. bush started. dan brush and, ski is a west point graduate, who is a u.s. army infantry platoon leader in afghanistan, in 2009, and in a washington post article he wrote, the awful scenes we are now witnessing, were inevitable. inevitable is the same word
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that the republican white house press secretary used in 1975, to describe the fall of, saigon and the frantic chaotic final days of the american evacuation from vietnam. inevitable. the day after the final helicopter left vietnam, when the white house press secretary was asked, how many people were evacuated, he said quote, there is no complete count, of the number of people, we were able to evacuate, no complete count, that was the official white house count, no complete count. the press secretary said quote, as many were evacuated as was realistically possible. and everybody knew, that thousands of people were left behind. and everyone knew that there was nothing we could do about that. because the way we evacuate from a war that we lose, is not up to us. it is up to the people who are shooting at us, or choosing not to shoot at us, as the taliban have chosen so far. it's in his washington post
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article, dan berschinski tells the story is of last day of service in afghanistan. on august 18th 2009, two days before a national election, i was supposed to partner with the afghan army forces to reconnoiter local polling sites. as i walked across our base that morning i learned that my afghan partners had fled overnight. they did not want to risk their lives, to protect their own polling sites, within ten hours, sergeant -- a 21-year-old from shipwreck new mexico was killed as an ied. my forward specialist, jonathan yenni 20 was also killed by an ied several hours later. i two stepped on an ied trigger, my bomb was small, instead of killing me, it only severed both of my legs above the knees. joining us now is retired u.s. army captain, dan berschinski
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he's a senior fellow with the eisenhower media network, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate. it >> thank you for having me. one thing that fascinates me about your background, is the west point piece. one thing i've been wondering about, is, what is the west point study course, on evacuating from wars that we lose? and how much time to people spend at west point studying the evacuation from vietnam, in the event that we have to apply that same kind of evacuation again? >> as you would imagine, i never had any courses on how to evacuate a forever war. we're all witnessing it firsthand furch unfortunately. >> what has been your reaction to what you have been seeing in these final days in afghanistan? >> my first reaction was, a huge sigh of relief, after
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watching for the vast majority of my adult life, 9/11 occurred when i was a senior in high, school so after watching this war dragon for over 20 years, across four presidential administrations, i was greatly relieved that we finally have a president, in joe biden, who acknowledges the truth, and is willing to take an endure the political risks, to bring this word to its inevitable and. >> what we're seeing this, week and what we're seeing in the, coverage is the political risks that previous presidents have feared facing apparently, you mentioned that in your washington post piece, about how the previous presidents, with jurisdiction over this war, will not be penalized for having done nothing to change the course of it, right, none of the pre prior administrations, will face any meaningful damage, perhaps reputation of damage, but even
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that perhaps not so, more frustrating for me i have to admit, is the fact that we have an entire multiple i guess, generations of general officers through our military, who have abetted this catastrophe of an effort to be honest. i love the military. i love my job being soldiers, i love, soldiers i'm incredibly proud of all the work that american soldiers put in. in afghanistan. >> and the individual level, we helped afghans, we built schools, we provided infrastructure to the afghan government could not provide its own people. ultimately, we allowed for an entire generation of afghan citizens to experience basic human rights and freedoms that they had never had a chance to experience before, i'm proud of what we done. that said i'm incredibly disappointed in the decision-making and poor
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advisement that our general officers have displayed over these last 20 years, the pentagon deserves its share of playing here. >> you write in the washington post about your encounter with a shop keeper that explain to you why the taliban was going to eventually be in the position that they are in tonight in afghanistan, talk about that what you learned during that encounter? >> when i met with that shopkeeper he reminded me that no matter what i was a transience in afghanistan, i would leave, the coalition forces would eventually leave and the taliban would still be there. i think what's being lost in a lot of the commotion as we watch this withdrawal is the fact that afghanistan is simply returning to the status quo after all of our efforts, the country is just going back to the way that it was. the taliban around the country, prior to 9/11, then we invaded,
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6 to 12 months after we successfully destroyed al-qaeda and pushback the taliban, that was the only point at which we had leveraged to exact any favorable terms from the taliban insist of using that leverage, we chose to dig in, make it obvious that we were there for the long haul. but obviously, we can't be there forever, and the taliban are afghans. they live their. it is their country. they simply outlasted us, just like the shopkeeper told me they would. >> and, that was also the story of vietnam, was that they knew eventually americans would leave. was vietnam in the minds of people of afghanistan during all those years that it was dragging on and on? there is a model for this and eventually the americans simply leave, that is what they do. >> i don't know what sort of education and history the taliban and its strategist might have, or might not, but i have to imagine and hope that
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it was certainly in the minds of our planners, the previous administration wrote the book on afghanistan, how it all went wrong, and how we found ourselves in a quagmire there. and yet he was more than happy to advise president trump to maintain the status quo and spend more lives, spend more times, spend more american money. so, the real question we should be asking is have the american people, have the government that we elect to represent us, has that government learned from this? has the pentagon learn from this? i think that's the only silver lining in this entire debacle is can america learn from this, and will we choose to do something different in the future when we are an inevitably presented with a similar situation. >> captain dan berschinski, thank you very much for your service. thank you for joining us tonight with your invaluable perspective on all of this. >> thank you.
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white today in honor of the women suffrage movement, in her first day on the job as governor of new york. she is new york's first woman governor, and the first new york governor in over 100 years from new york's second largest city, buffalo. after three consecutive governors who were men from new york city, governor kathy hochul represent a change in culture in that office, in more ways than one. >> that begins with a dramatic change in culture. accountability and no tolerance for individuals who crossed the line. today, i'm directing an overhaul of state government policies on sexual harassment and ethics. starting with requiring that all training be done live, instead of allowing people to click their way through a class. in a new era of transparency, one of my hallmarks in mine ministration, to me is very simple, it will focus on open, ethical governing that new
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seven-day average of new cases of covid-19 in hawaii has increased by 270%, coronavirus hospitalizations in hawaii have increased by 436%. 19 days ago on august 5th, hawaii announced a mandate that state and county workers would have to show proof of vaccination or face weekly tests in every night since that announcement, anti vaccine protesters have gathered outside the building where our next guest hole why the lieutenant governor josh greene lives with his wife and two children ages 14 and ten. this video shows the protesters near lieutenant governor's home holding signs that read, stop the lies, protect the right to choose to live free and the last mandate is communism. also, no forced vaccinations, the associated press reports, some protesters yelling into
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bore bullhorn and shining strobe light into apartment units. green was jewish has been tearing them down and turning them over to the state attorney general's office. ironically, green wasn't home during a recent intense weekend of protests. he was on the big island working on his other job as an emergency room doctor and treating mostly covid-19 patients during a record surge in coronavirus hospitalizations in the state. joining us now is doctor josh greene, lieutenant governor of ohio, thank you very much for joining us doctor green. what is your feeling about these protests? some [inaudible] the protests erupt, is it to state and county workers who are up there? >> no it anti-vaccine individuals, thank you for having me, lawrence.
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i totally support people's rights to the freedom of speech, to protesting and gathering peacefully. some of this has been ugly, it's people who don't believe in science, it's people who unfortunately are willing to scare others away from being vaccinated, away from wearing a mask, and we have a pandemic of the unvaccinated. we're seeing all across america. the tragedy as these individuals are going to get sick, and that makes me sad, i'm not gonna lie, it's sometimes upsetting when people are at your home, because i have a wife and children, and great neighbors, so it is inappropriate. but i will be taking care of these individuals as the physicians when they catch covid. we've had that big surge, as you've described, of patients in the hospital. we're at 100 and 20% capacity in our hospitals right now, because so many unvaccinated individuals have caught covid. >> you are the lieutenant governor of hawaii, not the governor, why do they think
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that you are in charge? >> well, i'm very vocal, i'm a physician and i'm a voice of reason on behalf of science. that makes me a lightning rod. look, at the end of the day, science is gonna stop this pandemic, not science fiction. you can't beat the biology of it. covid, especially the delta variant is just crushing people who are not vaccinated. and i'm trying to bring common piece to the discussion, but a lot of people are afraid and those protesters are afraid. they are behaving badly, of course, but when people get sick with delta, they end up terrified in the hospital, and this unsettles all of society. you are just seeing the piece of the unsettled society, but it's okay, i will absorb some of the anger and rage as long as it means we can get to the other individuals and get them vaccinated and get them to wear masks. people look at me for health leadership because i've been a doctor more than a politician in their minds.
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>> what do you tell your kids about what is happening outside of their home and what these people are saying about their father, and do your kids know about the antisemitism that is being expressed out there? >> they do. i'm a jewish guy married to a mormon here in hawaii, which is the way we do things. we are very multicultural, my wife is hawaiian, i am a person from pittsburgh, in new york. so our kids are mixed, so we really embrace multiculturalism, multiple religions in our household. we have the high holidays for judaism, we celebrate christmas together, because that is part of our tradition. i just tell my children, they know that their dad can deal with this, what they need to do is to be smart, they need to study. my daughter is 14, she's vaccinated, my ten-year-old son is actually in quarantine right
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now because his public school, one of the other students tested positive. he is in isolation. i teach them science. i teach them that eventually, we are going to come together as a country when we get through this crisis. they don't love it. it does upset the, my son was more upset than my daughter, but i teach them that america is a place where people can express themselves and also we have to be forgiving, i also teach them to get ready for a future of caring for people, because if this continues, we're gonna need to provide a lot of care for people who have lost their way like these folks. >> a wise lieutenant governor, doctor josh greene, thank you very very much for joining us tonight. thank you for the work that you're doing, and we really want you to come back and tell us how things are going in the future. thank you very much. >> i promise. >> thank you. coming up. the investigation of january 6th attack on the capital could include obtaining phone records of members of congress.
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on the january 6th insurrection is preparing to request records from telecommunications companies in social media companies as part of its investigation, special committee chairman bennie thompson told reporters the committee is seeking records from several hundred people including members of congress. joining us now is neal katyal former -- animus nbc legal contributor. neil, can the committee obtain these phone records? >> while they can, and it's a sign, lawrence, of a very serious investigation. it's not something investigators would do on a lark, it's do because they think evidence is otherwise going to go missing. that tool doesn't always work against sophisticated, and it is used to pinpoint -- they aren't very sophisticated. and while maybe, they will do
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this, they will yield some information, what's significant to me is that it is a request to phone companies, showing that they don't trust people to voluntarily turn it over. >> what does it mean in terms of both legal ability to fight these requests, from people who suspect that their records would be involved? >> they can certainly try. i don't think they're gonna succeed. even president clinton for all of his fault, when he was faced with all of these requests turned over, reconstructed the entire email system to give it to congress, so i'd hope these people will just say hey, we don't have anything to hide, some of the members of congress have said that, and turn over the information voluntarily. if they don't, yes it can go to court. i think these members of congress will lose these kinds of immunities, these arguments are pretty bogus. we're talking about, lawrence, and insurrection against the united states with possibly some of it coming from within. i think courts or going to bend over backward to get this
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information. >> now, any phone calls, any verbal communication that occurred at that time won't be part of this evidentiary collection. it will be this phone number spoke to that phone number? >> correct. although it seems like the reporting today indicates that there might be seeking email or other things as well, you could have substantive communication. that is the bad news for the mo brooks of the world. their day is going to come, they got used to have people running things, but now there is an independent, non political investigation that is going to go on. lawrence, it's kind of like the milk crate it's tiktok. it's all good for a while, it looks good and all of a sudden it isn't. >> neal katyal, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. that is tonight's last word, and a programming note, o'connell will make her first tv appearance as new york governor tomorrow morning on morning joe right here on
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msnbc. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. 11th hour with brian williams starts now. good evening once again, day 217 of the biden administration, president now facing the most critical week in his eight months in office. just this evening he told the nation he is sticking to the august 31 deadline to pull u.s. forces out of afghanistan. and complete the evacuation of americans and afghan allies, that means he is exactly seven days to get this done. >> we are currently on a pace to finish by august 31st, the sooner we can finish the better. each day of operations brings added risk to our troops. but, the completion is august 31 and that depends on the taliban continuing to cooperate, and allow access to the airport for those who are being transported out and no


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