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allowed the pandemic state of emergency fund to expire in june. apparently, desantis has been just too busy declaring war on school districts over masks to ask for federal dollars for kids who miss meals because they weren't going to school. even after the agricultural department extended the program through the summer. for continuing to put florida's kids in peril and being one mean, cruel sob, ron desantis is the absolute worst. that's it for the show. tonight on "all in," as a pandemic spikes in states like south dakota and florida, the cruel irony of republican leaders fear mongering. >> we have a lot of dangerous people there that want to do the
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united states harm. joe biden actually ending america's forever war. why today is a big day for the bide and again da. -- why this version of the california recall could be worse than the last. >> gary coleman, porn stars are running. good evening from new york. it's been remarkable to watch the split screen of the two big stories happening right now in america on the eve of the 20th anniversary of september 11th. on one side, afghanistan falls to the taliban. the united states attempts to evacuate americans and afghan refugees in a chaotic cluster. on the other, we are 18 months into the pandemic and seeing another summer surge that is taking the lives of about 1,000 people per day.
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i cannot help but contrast the two, think about the two next to each other, juxtaposed on the screen. you don't have to look far to find dire warnings about afghanistan. there's the humanitarian aspect. but there are dire warnings from people about the security aspect. afghanistan provides a useful reminder while we and our european allies might be tired of forever wars, the taliban are not tired of wars nor al qaeda and other groups who make afghanistan their home again. more to the point, even if we are not interested in the nations and their brutal politics, they are interested in us. okay. fair enough. the idea of al qaeda reconstitutes in afghanistan does not sound good. it sounds bad. let's remember how we got here 20 years later. a generation of americans who lived through 9/11 were so shocked and traumatized by the
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mass murder in spectacular fashion of 3,000 fellow citizens, the country lost its mind for a while. under the leadership of the bush administration and liberals and newspaper columns and on tv, we as a nation collectively, our government, with our consent, did a bunch of awful things we should not have done. most notably, invading iraq, torturing people, opening guantanamo bay, which remains open. those 3,000 americans murdered, an utterly horrific tragedy, were seen by and large everywhere as an existential threat to everything america was. we changed the way we lived. we changed the way we traveled. we started taking our shoes off at the airport. we opened a large cabinet agency, the department of homeland security. we spent trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars on the
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military. huge amounts flowing to defense contractors who have had a good few decades. we send hundreds of thousands of american troops around the world. we engaged in warfare in dozens of countries, drone killings in dozens of countries, created a new global legal architecture to wage war whenever we wanted at any point in any country in an open-ended global war on terror that's going to enter its third decade, even after we leave afghanistan. i was 22 around then. i remember the saying was, this changes everything. never forget, this is a turning point in history. a hinge. anyone not on board was accused of being soft or terror or siding with the terrorists, being a traitor. here is the thing to think about as i sit here talking to you this august 2021. we are going to lose a 9/11's
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worth of americans this week in the next three days of this pandemic and probably in the three days after that. we have lost more than 630,000 americans. just look the difference and the risk assessment, the sense of moral crisis between that one act of mass murder and its aftermath and the ongoing terror of the virus. you can see it in a single republican politician. we talked about her before, the governor of south dakota. she's warning about the possible danger of afghan refugees coming to the united states. >> this is a dangerous part of the world. we know that we have a lot of dangerous people there that want to do the united states harm. they should not be coming to the united states unless we know for sure they are an ally and a friend and don't wish to destroy this country. >> afghan refugees should not be coming unless we know they do
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not wish to destroy this country, these dangerous people from this dangerous part of the world. you know who she did allow in her state just over two weeks ago? hundreds of thousands of people on motorcycles from across the country for the sturgis motorcycle rally, many of whom are proudly unvaccinated. life or death terms, what do you think is more of a risk to south dakota people? afghan refugees, who have gone through an incredibly onerous vetting process, a special sri suss, or the virus? what do you think? more than 2,000 have died in south dakota. they have the fastest growing outbreaks. meade county is the home of sturgis. you may remember that we reported on this on what would happen if thousands and thousands of people came to
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sturgis. today is the first day of the motorcycle rally in sturgis, south dakota, despite rising covid cases and the delta variant, 700,000 people are expected to attend. nearly half a million people said the hell with masking and social distancing, they made the trek. there's data to suggest it was one of the most catastrophic pandemic events of the research. a research team said it had many characteristics of a superspreading event. here we are again, like clockwork. nine days since the rally. cases are spiking. you would think she learned her lesson. it went forward with her endorsement. you can see her riding a horse through downtown. a lot of conservatives, they want to talk about the danger of brown people and muslims who don't look like us, who wear different clothing. these are terrified, desperate people, many of whom shed blood
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or risk their lives on behalf of american interests, now seeking freedom and safety in this country. those people are dangerous, she says. the silent virus with no political affiliation, nothing to demagogue, stalking its way through american icus, who cares. freedom, freedom, freedom. i guarantee you there will be more south dakotans killed by there virus than have been killed by refugees or killed by members of al qaeda or the taliban. guarantee. that doesn't matter to people like her as they whip up the frenzy about fear of the other, the impure fifth column of people electric other places coming to defile america. the ideological and rhetorical concept of the 20 years of the war on terror, that fear, that assessment of the risk, all the while we allowed the public health infrastructure, not to mention or information ecosystem to deteriorate which brought us
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to more vaccines than anyone in the world, safe and effective, and we can't get people to take them. one of the attendees at sturgis said, not only is he not vaccinated, but no one he knows is either. the politics are essentially like being a pro-al qaeda caucus in american politics. one of the two major parties running on that platform. they have a point. she is probably the worst governor in the country on this issue. it is a crowded field. she wants to run for president on a platform of who is the most pro covid. >> we have republican governors across this country pretending they didn't shut down their states, that they didn't close their beaches, that they didn't mandate masks, that they didn't issue shelter in places. i'm not picking fight with republican governors. all i'm saying is that we need leaders with grit.
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their instinct is to make the right decision. they don't backtrack and try to fool you into the fact that they never made the wrong decision. >> yes, that's the angle. that's the lane she's picked. that's why she's running on horseback in sturgis. who is the most pro covid, the bar for a republican nomination. other republicans are eyeing a political future like ron desantis watching over their shoulder. more people are dying per day from covid right now in florida than at any other point in the pandemic. a fact that i honestly can't even quite believe. it's true. there it is. we showed you this last night. instead of focusing on the real crisis -- politics aside. this is a problem for florida. ron desantis has been picking fights with biden, tweeting about the python hunt while more than 2,500 floridians have died this month. that's almost a 9/11's worth.
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on some level, this seems to be falling apart politically. as we have said, people don't want to die of covid. they want to be safe. they want their leaders to take threats to their safety seriously. not to overreact, not to panic, but take them seriously. covid continues to be the biggest threat americans face. statistically, it is. the leading cause of death. a new poll finds that 73% of floridians think the spread of covid in their state is a serious problem. 59% say it's out of control. 60% say they support mask requirements in schools, something governor desantis banned. floridians, 46%, say he is hurting efforts to slow the spread of the virus. we are seeing resistance step up. several school districts are defying the ban. in palm beach county, dozens of doctors staged a symbolic
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demonstration yesterday. they did not walk out on any patients. they did come out to raise awareness, express frustration with the surge in unvaccinated parents. one of those doctors is an infectious disease specialist, the medical director of found care and a member of the school board in miami-dade is here also. they both join me now. doctor, let me start with you. just ask what you are seeing there and what -- where you are at. how you are thinking and feeling and your colleagues are at this moment in this awful summer you are having there in florida. >> thank you for having me here. it's a pleasure being with you. the way that i can describe it is that every day you walk into the e.r. and it's like a war zone. there are patients everywhere in the hallways, in each room, et
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cetera. you are trying to move the patients up to the floor. not fast enough. they come in faster than you can move. it's very, very taxing on all the health care providers. it's tiring. we're all tired. we have been doing this since the beginning of july. it doesn't seem to want to stop. >> what has been your experience in terms of the levels of vaccination in the patients you are treating? when you talk about hospital workers -- i started talking about 9/11, this active mass murder that we all watched. you hospital workers are seeing what this virus is doing up close every day in a way most americans are not. i wonder if you feel like there's a disconnect when you go out into the world from the horror in how people perceive what's happening? >> there's a disconnect, no question about it. that's one of my biggest
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concerns that it is very chaotic in the hospital life on a daily basis. when you walk out into the public, a supermarket, it's like nothing is happening. in reality, we have a crisis. we have a crisis here. we have been having a crisis since the beginning of july. it could have been avoided if there would have been more mask and vaccination in the state. that's what we're trying to put up the word to try to advocate for that. now that we have a vaccine that's fully approved, take advantage and stop the madness. >> lucia, you are on the school board in miami-dade county. what is your plan for masking and precautions for safe in-person schooling this fall? what does that mean in terms of the collision course you may be on with the governor? >> thank you, chris. i'm very proud of my colleagues
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on the board. our majority voted for masks. the plan is narrowly tailored to make sure we follow the science and that we keep in mind current conditions. right now, in doing that, in following the science, we know that the best plan is to keep our students safe by the mask mandate. truly, the governor and his executive orders, they are very dangerous right now. it's something that now seven counties throughout the say the of florida are acknowledging and are fighting back. we hope to continue. it's in the hand of the courts. we will make a plan forward to make sure our kids are safe. >> i have been watching the politics and public opinion sentiment on this changing over time or kind of coming to a head if florida. do you feel you have the support of your community of parents there for what you are doing? in terms of staring down the
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governor on this. >> absolutely. the number of calls, emails, texts we are receiving, first, asking for the mask mandate, but now thanking us. we see it especially in the last two days. we have had an amazing opening of schools. the children, they are comfortable with the masks and our parents are happy to see our 100% return to school. at the end of the day, that's where students should be. the masks allow us to teach our kids in person, as they should be. >> doctor, what's the next week look like for you? how are you thinking about the way out of this? we have seen even the most horrific outbreaks in the world probably india, in a country with a lower per capita gdp and not vaccinated hardly at all,
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that came to a close after doing horrific damage. how do you think about that time line? what do you want to see from public officials? >> truly, it can't come fast enough. i think that putting things in place that are basic like mask mandates and social distancing and avoiding group gatherings, i think we have to go back to that. there's no other way of doing this. first and foremost, the vaccination. the process of vaccination has to be ramped up one way or another. this is the only way and the most reliable tool, the most efficient tool that we have so far, better than any medication, any protocol that we have that we use to treat these patients. we must focus on prevention. that is where the next phase should lie.
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>> thank you both. that was really illuminating. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. right now, the deadline to withdraw troops in afghanistan is august 31st. that's one week from today. the president is facing pressure to extend that over concerns about the people who still need to be evacuated. his response and what it means by ending this 20-year war after this. t ♪ ♪ got that bourbon street steak with the oreo shake ♪ ♪ get some whipped cream on the top too ♪ ♪ two straws, one check, girl, i got you ♪ ♪ bougie like natty in the styrofoam ♪ ♪ squeak-squeakin' in the truck bed all the way home ♪ ♪ some alabama-jamma, she my dixieland delight ♪ ♪ ayy, that's how we do, ♪ ♪ how we do, fancy like, oh ♪ my name is douglas. i'm a writer/director and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do,
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one week from today, on august 31, the united states is getting out of afghanistan. with evacuations underway, there's tremendous pressure on the president from the foreign policy establishment to stay longer. the pressure comes from many of the leading voices who advocated for the global war on terror for years along with others, veterans who served who are desperately trying to get folks out that worked with u.s. forces, humanitarian groups as well. today president biden reaffirmed his commitment to the deadline, touting the amount of people the administration has managed to get out. >> as of this afternoon, we have helped evacuate 70,700 people, since august 14th. 75,900 people since the end of july. just in the past 12 hours, another 19 u.s. military flights, carrying approximately
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6,400 evacuees and 31 coalition flights carrying 5,600 people have left kabul just in the last 12 hours. the total of 50 more flights, 12,000 more people since we updated you this morning. >> it has been a remarkable logistical achievement. unwavering in his stance that after 20 years of this, the longest war in the country's history, the u.s. is leaving. that is, as we can see, hardly the end of the story. spencer ackerman is a journalist. in his new book -- i spent my vacation reading it. he will be on the podcast next week. he joins me now. great to have you. >> thanks. >> i have a lot of complicated feelings, as i imagine you do about this moment.
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one thing that has been interesting is to watch biden's determination here. you could feel the crescendo of pressure growing, extend the deadline, stay a little longer, send more troops in. i was -- i didn't know what he was going to say today. how do you read what is happening and the focus on actually doing the thing and getting out? >> i think it go back to 2009 when biden was president obama's vice president and was a very lonely voice in the obama cabinet against escalation in afghanistan. among the things biden would kind of note to president obama is that none of the assembled generals, admirals and security dignitary who favored the surge in afghanistan had a plausible way of connecting what the purpose of the surge would be,
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to give the taliban a bloody nose, to resolving the war in afghanistan and as well to fighting al qaeda, the original purpose of this whole thing. biden has vindicated that. he wasn't arguing as i would have preferred for full abolition of the war on terror or full withdrawal from afghanistan in 2009, he was the alternative. he watched at obama rejected his advice and escalated to nowhere except a futile and extremely bloody inconclusive outcome. that probably hovers in the background for him. >> i was thinking about your book and some of the history of the early part of this war that's in it when i saw the headline the cia director, who is a legendary figure in
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american foreign policy intelligence circles, that he held a secret meeting in kabul with taliban leaders today. the fact that 20 years ago, there were back channels from the taliban opening up the possibility of some negotiated settlement in which they might kick bin laden out of the country. that was seen as ridiculous. here we are 20 years later and the u.s. cia director is face to face with a taliban official negotiating. >> they recognized the taliban is a fact. they have done everything they could over the last 20 years to avoid that. belatedly came to the conclusion that the taliban can't be ignored. the taliban in particular right now are a victorious force. they will become the government of afghanistan. what you heard from biden as well today sounded to me like the likeliest message, that
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burns was delivering, which is that what the taliban does between now and august 31 determines what the international community's posture toward the taliban will be. when the u.s. says the international community, the allies. this is a circumstance that put me in mind of some of the people i interviewed who have been this back channel to the taliban, who negotiated with them. uniformly, they report that among the impressions they get of the taliban is that the taliban consider its international isolation ahead of the 2001 invasion to be one of its most catastrophic errors. that that was a major factor behind what doomed its first time governing what it called the islamic emirate. i imagine that was a point that burns drove home today.
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that posture is in the taliban's hands right now. >> finally, i want to ask you a question i asked chris murphy last night. there's ways of seeing this as this was a huge ogistical miscalculation or they didn't care about the allies or the refugees or the people hunted by the taliban. there's another view. this is the chaos that comes from the end of a failed war. what do you think? >> i think this is both things at once. the biden administration wasted a lot of time deciding that it was going to kind of shift posture in the beginning months of the year. august 31 is not a deadline negotiated with the taliban. it's a deadline the biden administration imposed on itself. the actual deadline the u.s. negotiated was for may 1 for a full withdrawal. instead the administration
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shifted to a posture of trying to, on its way out, broker a peace process. that failed. that ultimately wasted a lot of time. the wasting of time here is measured in real people's lives as we can see at the airport. the war was lost in december 2001. the war was lost when the united states decided it would go for unconditional surrender. >> spencer, whose new book is out now. you should pick it up. i learned so much from reading it. i can't wait to talk to about it on our podcast. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, house democrats end the standoff, delivering a crucial victory. why the shawl group of democrats who tried to tank it could be undermining their own mid-term political prospects next. n mid-m political prospects next allsta. ♪
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there's one thing we know about modern american electoral politics. it's that mid-terms in the first two years of a presidential term are a referendum on the president. the past two weeks, nine democrats have attempted to block president biden's $3.5 trillion budget. the sabotage squad threatened to tank the budget blueprint to force the infrastructure vote, the bipartisan deal cut in the senate that they want. this afternoon, the two sides struck a deal. house leadership, nancy pelosi, and these nine centrists, with the house voting along party lines to craft the legislation. nothing is determined yet. the dynamics of this are interesting. in this environment where mid-terms are tied to presidential popularity, members of congress are not going to save themselves if joe biden's numbers are in the tank.
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doesn't matter how much money you raise, if you are in a front line district or maybe not in such a front line district and joe biden's approval rating is 41%, as it was in a poll today, you are toast, dude. your job now in a narrow political sense, if you want to be re-elected, is to do what you can to make sure the president's popular. best way to deliver that is to create big, tangible wins that make people's lives better and that the president can take credit for. sahil capor and donna edwards. the latest piece, what is it about progressives that makes democratic moderates go nuts? donna, i thought your piece was interesting. you experienced this. you have this caucus that said, we don't want to do the big budget thing. we want the bipartisan deal.
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we want it on its own. we don't like the budget framework and all the things in there. in doing so, it seems to me there's political risk they run for themselves and the party. >> let's be clear. the proposal that's before the congress, both the reconciliation and infrastructure package, are the president's agenda. it happens that it's a very progressive agenda, but it is joe biden's agenda. by trying to distance themselves or separate themselves from the president's agenda is like the kiss of death going into a mid-term election. it was hard to understand, what were they shooting for? i always thought that it was doomed anyway, because nine moderate democrats was not going to hold up nancy pelosi from delivering her entire caucus.
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maybe it was a play for headlines. it wasn't a play that would actually ever see fruition. >> there's nothing settled yet. this is a complicated thing they're trying to pull off. they have these two tracks, bipartisan infrastructure deal worked out in the senate, the reconciliation bill with the large are biden agenda that has climate and a ton of stuff. trying to do both. they have a thin majority in the senate. what i thought was interesting, as someone who covered this for 15 years now, it does seem like that caucus, the moderate, so-called moderatemoderates, ce are holding fewer cards or the weight has shifted. what do you think? >> that's absolutely true. i think back to 2009 and 2010 when i started covering congress, it was the moderate blue dot coalition that called the shots. they extracted serious scalps on
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the aca. they forced pelosi to dial things back. progressives made demands but they ultimately caved. it's different. this dynamic exists because months ago progressives did the whipping they needed and secured the voted to convince pelosi to say the bills have to move side by side. otherwise they won't pass. despite this september 27th deadline that speaker pelosi put on the table, i spoke to several members of the progressive caucus, including some of the squad, who said they are not prepared to vote yes on the infrastructure bill on september 27th unless reconciliation is in a good place. that's the key dynamic here, the moderates got the concession to speed up the time line, but at the end of the day, they hold leverage. that's the play. it's all about leverage to shape the reconciliation bill. if the infrastructure bill is hanging, then progressives have more leverage. if it's done and dusted, passed into law, moderates get the call
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to play and shrink or block this thing entirely. >> that's why this is so delicate. in the political sense, i was going back to approval rating of trump. he hits his low in december of that first year when aca repeal failed twice. then they are trying to pass the tax bill. it's not popular. crucially, when they pass it and sign it, his approval rating goes up. there's a certain degree to which success is popular, particularly with your own members of party who might be defecting a bit. i think the big political objective for the democrats is, do what you can to make sure joe biden is successful. that may sound like overly reductive. in a narrow analytical sense, i feel like it's the truth. >> that's exactly what the play is. what's really interesting here is that if democrats really can get this done in the early fall, that means that all democrats
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and the president are able to run on this victory for a full year going into the november elections. it also means that you got a building season coming in, a construction season coming in the spring where all of the projects are going to come to fruition. people will see in their paychecks a difference that it makes for them. that's a real agenda to run on. it's one to win on. >> yeah. i gotta say, we have been covering this for a long time. i don't know if they will pull this off. if they do, it will be one of the most remarkable bits of legislative magic i have ever seen. >> that's true. i think the fact that tiny, narrow democratic majorities voted to move forward on a budget bill under president joe biden nobody thought of as progressive, that's a remarkable
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thing in and of itself. when you talk about presidential popularity and mid-terms, here is some history. the last democratic president to gain seats in the first mid-term election is roosevelt. there's a reason he likes to talk about his agenda as being a parallel, a new fdr agenda, this expansion of a safety net. if democrats have a shot of holding power, they have to give voters a very good reason to keep them there. biden believes and many democrats believe this could be a reason if they get it done. >> thank you both. up next, do you know where you were when the politics in the state of california turned into a total circus 18 years ago? >> mary karrie was talking about her agenda. >> some people swim. some do aerobics. i recommend having sex at least once a day.
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about rybelsus® today. nearly 20 years ago, california experienced a campaign unlike any other in state history. the 2003 recall of then governor gray davis. there were difficult times for california. it was dealing with a budget deficit. the governor would allow for massive cuts in social spending that would drain $45 million from los angeles alone. on top of that, there was the energy crisis, rolling blackouts, people in california were not happy. the democratic governor became the fall guy for that. california is one of 20 states that allow voters to recall state officials before the end of their term. you need enough signatures to trigger a new election and a well-funded republican effort got to work. >> forget the unruffled appearance, this is a governor
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under siege. >> if the people want me to present my credentials again, i do not fear them. >> he has a lot to fear with more than a million signatures collected by his opponents. he is all but certain to become the first governor in california history to face a recall election. davis re-elected eight months ago, says it's pure politics. >> this agenda was financed by one rich person. >> republican congressman darryl iso spent more than a million dollars to finance the recall drive. democrats say he is a right wing zealot trying to hijack an election. >> no one can hijack an election when almost 2 million people asked for the election. everyone has an opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice. >> his money and effort got the recall election on the ballot. as you may recall, if you lived through it, the circus was on. more than 100 candidates ran. >> a huge cast of characters
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that includes arianna huffington. >> i'm not a conventional candidate. >> so are some of the others like larry flynt. >> vote for a smut peddler who cares. >> gary coleman. and angeline. >> i want the dog in the shot. >> a woman with a handful of screen credits and a lot of hollywood billboards promoting herself. >> adult film star talking about her agenda. >> some people swim. some do aerobics. i recommend having sex at least once a day. >> failing the people more than anyone is gray davis. this is why he needs to be recalled. this is why i am going to run for governor. >> that was the eventual winner, arnold schwarzenegger, no
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february 2020 before california went into lockdown with covid. critics of governor gaffe nin newsom produced a petition to have him recalled. they said high taxes, homelessness, rationing of water use. recall petitions like these are pretty common in california but almost never successful. at first it looks like this whole thing was going to fizzle out. then in november last year you remember these pictures, they showed governor newsom celebrating the birthday of a prominent lobbyist at a high end napa valley restaurant without masks or social distancing inside while california was basically shut down which was not a great look at all. in the month following that dinner the recall effort gained about 400,000 signatures. the movement started to kabul together an unlikely commission, antinewsom voters. ultimately a recall effort ended up with 1.7 million signatures which was a fraction of voters
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in the largest state in the union but more than enough to get on the ballot. now a recall is underway. the election is set for september 14th. 46 candidates on the ballot to replace him. caitlyn jenner who left the campaign trail earlier this year to be on big brother australia. john cox who lost to head to head and larry elder. he's a long-time right wing radio host in california, believes the minimum wage should be zero. called roe versus wade one of the worst decisions in supreme court history and is currently the front-runner to replace governor newsom as the head in the country. because of this bizarre process the guy who won the governorship by nearly 3 million votes could end up with 49.9% of the state supporting him and still lose to whomever gets a small plurality
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among the 46 people running to replace him. we have a resident of the great state of california where he has a front row seat to all. i want to start, david, with how utterly insane the structure of this process is which i really think cannot be stated enough. you get 1.7 million signatures which is not easy to get. there's some kind of -- you know, it's not an easy thing. you get them. then there's a recall vote and then if you recall, there's no -- it's whoever wins a plurality. you can become the next governor of california in a low turnout election. >> first of all, chris, they paid for those. this has been a well-funded effort by republican governors. yeah, listen, there's a lot of states. it's up to 20 states and i personally don't like the recall process anywhere. gavin newsom is up for re-election next year.
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that's your opportunity to replace it. this is really becoming in the last two weeks a newsom/elder race. any income, i don't care how large, does not want to run in any election where it's a referendum. this has become a choice. the voters see this as newsom/elder and the other thing i would say, california's 65% fully vaccinated. you've been talking to the newsom campaign, they believe 78% or so of the actual voters are going to be vaccinated. what i find fascinating, this is the first time we've had a major election where vaccinations and masks, how we handle the pandemic in a post vaccination era is on the ballot. i think newsom's gained steam in the last couple of weeks because of that. you saw polls in florida showing desantis grossly underwater on basically every measure. i think this is going to be an interesting question. does the vaccinated become kind
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of a powerful voting group in and of itself. >> larry elder, i was on a show once. he's like a -- i don't know, like a replacement-level right wing radio host i guess is how i would describe him. like it's just like indistinguishable from a lot of that stuff. i mean, i just think people need to understand like we ran the experiment with donald trump where we like took the guy who's got takes and calls into fox news and was on a reality show and would do some governing amidst an incredibly fraught period and then we got a pandemic. to rerun that with larry elder seems like obviously catastrophic to me, although maybe i'm missing it. >> no, this is the world's sixth largest economy. listen, larry elder is no arnold schwarzenegger. it's become much more progressive. the more that this is seen in the closing weeks here as a
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newsom/elder race, that is going to benefit newsom. the other thing i would say, chris, is everybody in california who's a registered voter has been mailed a ballot already. there's legitimate concerns who has more intensity around turnout. it goes towards newsom. everybody has a ballot, the fact that this has turned into a newsom/elder race and the fact this is a question for close to 80% of the people who are going to vote and have been vaccinated, do you want to turn something over to someone like larry elder who will get rid of mask mandates? i agree with you what would happen here, this is not fun and games. this could be catastrophic. >> what do you think democrats have learned from this process so far about why newsom is in this situation? >> well, listen, i think that
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this is not an off year election, it's a recall election. whenever you don't have a presidential year election or traditional, you know, congressional election in terms of timing, that can be challenging for democrats. >> right. >> but i think you've got to play off this. i think the newsom campaign is doing a lot more of that both in terms of defining this for ian elder. let's talk about how we would handle the covid pandemic. let's talk about what i've done, what elder has done. we've talked about the economic packages which you can campaign on that, not just a year, for a decade in terms of what's going to come out of that, but i think we have to be much more aggressive about the pandemic and prosecute the case and really, i think, look at there are republicans and independent leaning republicans who i think democrats can convert maybe just for this election, maybe for the next one, based on how the
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republicans have mishandled the pandemic. >> david plouffe in california. all elections are a choice. the problem with the process is it a ten u weights the choice. >> horrible. >> thank you very much for your time tonight. that is "all in" on this tuesday night which means the "rachel maddow show" starts now. >> thank you, my friend. much appreciated. we've got lots going on tonight. lots of developing news. over the course of this hour we're going to be talking about the latest from afghanistan, of course, where the u.s. evacuation effort is both at its highest capacity yet and it is also now starting to head towards an off ramp. last week we saw the number of evacuees flown out of the kabul airport climb from fewer than a thousand during the beginning of the week to over 5,000 per day at the end of the week. last night we reported they had
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