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most of your viewers, they don't have that luxury. they aren't going to get regeneron because they can't afford it, it is $1200 a shot. that is why the fox news hypocrites who are pushing anti-vax, anti-mask lies and expensive covid treatment that most of their viewers can't afford and will never get instead of giving them useful and powerful information, using their platform to give free information on free prevention, they are tonight's absolute worst. and that's tonight's "reidout." tonight on "all in" -- >> you know, we're not going to sit by as governors try to block and intimidate educators protecting our children. >> the push to protect kids, both from covid-19 and from the governors who banned masks in schools. >> i feel like the governor is definitely trying to make a political statement and my daughter and other kids are just the collateral damage to that
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political statement. >> tonight, the backlash to the people playing politics with the pandemic. then, the mad rush to evacuate afghanistan, as the taliban blocks the airport road. and the escalating threat of right-wing terrorism as a trump extremist threatens to blow up his truck in washington, d.c. when "all in" starts now. good evening from washington, d.c. i'm zerlina maxwell in for chris hayes. we are seeing a backlash around the country to red states' bans on mask mandates, especially in schools. in texas, the paris school district is defying republican governor greg abbott's ban by adding face coverings to their dress codes and they are just one of the many districts taking on the governor. in south carolina, several districts, including charleston county, are requiring masks despite a state ban. and in florida's largest
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district, miami-dade, the school board voted to approve a mask mandate in defiance of an executive order from their republican governor, ron desantis. a county in the northern part of the state is also enforcing a mask mandate. i'll talk to the superintendent of that district later in the show. it's the same story over and over and over. republican governments put these nonsensical regulations into place in spite of warnings from public health officials and experts. and they know the regulations are complete and total nonsense and will be challenged. they're doing it for political reasons. and even in some cases because of pure greed. like florida governor ron desantis who has been promoting an antibody treatment that his top donor invested in. the governor's pro-covid policies have certainly created plenty of customers for that. now, some republicans are
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starting to face the reality that is staring us all in the face as they see cases go through the roof of this delta variant. they're expressing regret for the choices they made for political reasons. take a listen to the republican governor of arkansas talking about the ban on mask mandates that he signed earlier this year. >> i signed it at the time because our cases were at a very low point. i knew that it would be overridden by the legislature if i didn't sign it. and i was not supportive -- i had already eliminated our statewide mask mandate. and so, you know, i signed it for those reasons, that our cases were at a low point. everything has changed now. and yes, in hindsight i wish that had not become law. but it is the law and the only chance we have is either to amend it or for the courts to say that it has an unconstitutional foundation.
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>> that governor may not be able to do anything about it, but the federal government is going to try. this week president joe biden directed his secretary of education to take actions against republican governors who are banning masks in schools, using the department's oversight powers and potentially even legal action. meanwhile, the new school year is starting in many states across the country and a lot of parents are upset and afraid. >> when i was walking away from dropping my daughter off, i was literally almost in tears thinking is this the right thing, because you kind of know that these people are not recognizing the risk that's going on here. it's almost like knowing the house is going to catch on fire, but we're going to let our kids sit in there and burn. i feel like the governor is definitely trying to make a political statement and my daughter and other kids are just the collateral damage to that political statement. >> i want to bring in governor jay inslee, democrat of washington state, who just
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instituted a vaccine mandate for all school employees in his state and brought back an indoor mask mandate. thank you so much for being here, governor. >> you bet. thanks for having me. >> so these are among the strictest mandates in the entire country. why did you decide to implement them now? >> well, there's two things that we care deeply about. that is we want our schools open, because we know our kids need to be in school this year, and we want them safe when they're in school. and there are two tools that are absolutely necessary to achieve both of those ends. those are masks on our children and the people around them and those are vaccinations and the people who serve them, our educators and our bus drivers. it would be the height of irresponsibility not to use both of those tools to protect our children. these children are now showing up in our emergency rooms in greater numbers.
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just ten minutes ago i was reading an article about a 9-year-old child who was struggling for breath. think about that, a child 9 years of age, struggling for breath because adults would not wear a mask or get vaccinated that was safe, effective and free. i cannot understand why people think that is fulfilling our responsibility to our children. so we have adopted common sense measures that will have masks we know that work and we know kids can deal with them. these kids are pretty resilient. they know how to get through this and have done it better than adults actually. and also a vaccine requirement for our educators and our nurses and doctors and for our state employees because, you know what, people say this is just about my health. that's just wrong, it's about everybody's health. these are contagious diseases. if you don't want to treat your cancer or your heart attack, that might be up to you. but it is not right in this country to not try to prevent a
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transmission of a contagious disease. george washington, for goodness sakes, got his army vaccinated. so these are common sense measures. they might be the strictist, but oregon has joins us, california has a version on this. i think you'll see people join us unfortunately because of the terrible toll this has taken on our families. >> in terms of those bus drivers and nurses and teachers that work in schools, if they don't comply with the mandate to get vaccinated, are they going to lose their jobs? >> unfortunately, yes. we don't want that to happen. look, we love these teachers, we love bus drivers, we love custodians. custodians are frequently the most loved person in the school. they're pivotal an part of the educational team. so we want to keep everybody who's doing this great work. there's no reason not to get these vaccines except if you have some medical situation. there's also a religious
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exemption for sincere actual beliefs. but otherwise there's no reason not to do it. we don't think people are going to walk away from these careers when they have a chance to think about this. the reason is the evidence is so compelling. it's compelling that we've had over 300 million doses safely, 165 million people. there's no reason not to get this vaccine. frankly once people have to make a decision of losing their career and a paycheck or having a simple, safe, effective vaccine, we think people will stay. we want them to stay. we want them to continue educating our children with these teams. it's very important to all of us. but if they don't, they will have to find other work and they won't be eligible for unemployment compensation either. so we think there will be some mature, serious discussions in families. we will keep our schools open, we will keep our great educators that we love and respect, and we're going to save a lot of lives in the interim. >> well, we've had vaccine mandates forever in a variety of
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contexts. i remember my first week of college needing to get a meningitis vaccine, so this is nothing new. in terms of the republican governors who are on the other side of the spectrum from you in terms of their covid response, they're going against the science. they're actually banning people from being able to even implement mask and vaccine mandates. you're leaning into the science to keep people safe. why did you decide to lean into what the science says for us to do? >> well, it's because we know it works. look, science works. that's why jets work. it's why our cars work. science works. and it's worked for us. we've had probably the fourth lowest per capita death rate in our state because we have followed science. the science is so abundantly clear. it's like gravity, it's inarguable. masks work. they cut the rate of transmission. this has been a very well established fact. now, it doesn't take an understanding of quantum physics
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to understand why. it blocks transmission because of this thin barrier which allows us to do what we normally do. the other part of this, we don't want to shut down our business. when we started this, we shut down our whole economy and our schools. we do not want to go that route. instead we want to use these scientifically credible tools, one of which is masks. and on the vaccine front, there is hardly something that has been proven more safe, more effective and now universally available than these vaccines. but unfortunately people have heard a lot of misinformation on the internet, and i hope everybody who might be listening tonight will step up and be a leader and talk to your relatives and the people you love and your co-workers about what's really the truth about these vaccines. they work, they're effective. we haven't had adverse impacts. if we all embrace each other i think we'll have more people vaccinated.
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science works, that's why we follow it. >> science checks out, that's what my dad always says, he's a biologist. governor jay inslee, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> you bet. >> and please stay safe. >> be well. >> thank you, you too. in florida, coronavirus cases are rapidly increasing, as you can see here on the right side of your screen. you're averaging more than 20,000 new cases every single day. the state's republican governor, ron desantis, recently signed an executive order to protect parents' right to make decisions regarding masking of their children, threatening school districts with actions, including but not limited to withholding state funds. now five counties are defying the governor and imposing mask mandates for their schools. dr. carly simon is the superintendent of allichua county and she joins me now. so why did you decide to do this? why did you decide to defy
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governor ron desantis and his effort to not allow folks to implement these types of mask mandates in schools? >> i don't think we were really focused on defying the governor. what we were focused on was being able to run our school system and reduce the transmission of covid as well as reduce our quarantining. and so it started with us having this mandate just for employees and visitors. but the next day the board did vote 4-0 to unanimously decide to mask everyone because we knew that this delta variant is transmission is very fast. it's going through our student body already right now quite a bit. we have an exponential increase in the rising of our positive cases. we have over a thousand students right now that are quarantined. we have over 200 positive cases of students and over 50 positive cases for our staff.
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we need to be able to run a public education system and we need to make it face-to-face, and so that's how we came to this point having this decision. just this past tuesday our board did vote to extend, again, a 4-0 unanimous vote to extend the mask mandate another eight weeks so we will have ten total weeks where we're making sure that we're keeping our covid numbers as controlled as we possibly can and reducing our quarantine time as much as we possibly can as well. >> yesterday the biden administration announced a number of things that they're doing to essentially put more pressure on states in a variety of different ways so that schools are able to keep their students safe. what support do you specifically need from the biden administration to maintain the mandate you've put in place given the pressure you're likely to face from the governor and other political forces? >> well, of course we need the
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support from the federal government to just help us continue to do business and continue to run our school system so we can provide this face-to-face education. i think there is a level of support we're going to need that has political influence as well as legal influence. but we also are looking at, again, some of the concerns which is how fast our cases are going, how the department of health is responding. we do have a shortage of nurses that makes testing our students a challenge, as well as just the response time of having, you know, the results from our testing to get students back into the classroom. so there's multiple facets of the types of supports that we could really benefit from from the federal government. so i'm so appreciative that they are -- they're watching and engaging and they have let us know that we have their support and we're very thankful for that. >> so we have some breaking news
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that just happened a few moments ago. the texas supreme court just announced that they have temporarily overturned governor abbott's ban on mask mandates. do you think anything like that is possible in florida? are you hopeful there may be that kind of outcome where you are? >> oh, i'm certainly hopeful. i think the entire process from how the executive order came about, how the emergency rules were established, we actually believe that we are in compliance with the law based on how the emergency rules were created and the writing of what they are. i think, you know, obviously it was not what the governor had wanted, but based on the interpretation that we have of what was written in their law, we think that it keeps us in compliance. so we certainly would appreciate if all of these rules and laws and expectations were tested in the courts because i do believe that they don't support the public health of our state and i
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think that's a concern. >> well, we are going to see and pay close attention to see how this all unfolds. dr. carlee simon, thank you so much for being here tonight, and please stay safe. >> thank you. in neighboring alabama, new cases are averaging higher than any time since mid-january. you can see the sharp increase here since july on your screen. and with the state's fully vaccinated rate at just 42% of the eligible population, the alabama hospital association said that wednesday, there were negative 29 intensive care unit beds available in the entire state. which is less than zero if you're keeping track at home. dr. jeannie morattso is from the university of alabama at birmingham and she joins me now. what does it look like on the ground when there are no icu beds in a state?
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what happens if you have a stroke or a heart attack? >> yeah, thanks, zerlina, for having me. it is absolutely terrifying for people who are experiencing adverse health outcomes but also for the staff who are taking care of patients. so imagine if you are having a stroke or a heart attack, you come to an emergency room. most of the times you can't accompany your family member in because everything is so chaotic because of covid and you're faced with a situation where you may not be admitted to an icu bed. what's happening is people are having to create alternative spaces to provide intensive care in these settings. we, for example, have opened up additional icus on floors that were not previously used as icus. we also, unfortunately, are having to board patients in the emergency department, as are many hospitals in alabama. that creates a huge amount of
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pressure for not just the patients who are there but also the staff who are really stressed, have their hands full trying to take care of the deluge of patients coming in. and then the final thing i'd say is that many of these patients are quite ill. if you are sick enough to be admitted to an icu, you don't really want to be in a hallway in an emergency department. again, we're trying to do the best we can. we will take as good care of you as we can if you do come to us. but at some point, people are really going to have to face the fact that there's only so much that places like our hospitals can expand to accommodate these really sick patients that we're seeing. >> in terms of the icu space, one of the things that i've learned in my life experience is that the nurses that work in icus, they're a specialized type. are there staffing shortages also in terms of icu nursing
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staff to take care of these patients? >> it's an incredibly important question. so you've probably been to an icu or know someone who has and you may recall the normal ratio of patients to nurses is 2-1. you have a nurse taking care of two adjacent rooms typically, mostly because these patients are not only often on a ventilator, but they're on multiple intravenous infusions ranging from pressure medications to keep their blood pressure normal, they're getting fluids, they're getting antibiotics, all kinds of stuff. it's intensive monitoring situation. the situation with covid is really complicated because as you expand these icu care situations, which as i said we're needing to do, you're having necessarily to ask nurses to take care of more patients. also imagine trying to do that in the e.r., where you've got, again, nursing staff trying to take care of all the other
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myriad problems that they are having to deal with. so the staffing issue is a huge thing. when people talk about icu beds, really what we should be talking about is the totality of being able to take care of people with adequate medical care. it's really, really challenging. the other thing i'll mention is that with rates of transmission as high as they are here in alabama and that graph that you showed, it's inevitable that some of our staff are getting covid, especially with kids going back to school now, kids under 12 not being vaccinated. so that's another hit that we're having to deal with, because people want to take care of patients, they want to be here, but if you've got covid, you've got to stay home, so a really very challenging situation right now. >> in terms of the conversations you're having with patients, can you just give us some -- a taste of what those conversations are like? are the patients you're seeing unvaccinated and regretful about that decision? give us a little sense of what
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you're hearing firsthand. >> well, there's a couple of things i will say about the patients we're seeing and i want to make a couple of points that this appears to be a different surge demographically and epidemiologically from what we saw last spring and it relates to the conversations we're having to patients. i think more data will be coming out about this in the next couple of weeks. but what we are seeing is that the people that we are admitting to our icus are on average a decade younger than what we saw in the previous surge. so before it was around 60. we're now seeing patients around 50. and that means that we are seeing younger people getting into the icu and getting ventilated or put on a ventilator, which is really very disturbing. that is an incredibly scary thing for families. they are seeing their young brothers, husbands, sisters, kids in some cases being put on ventilators and that is sparking a lot of pain, a lot of
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discussion about i wish i could have gotten the vaccine, why didn't i get the vaccine, can i get the vaccine now. unfortunately, you can't do that. the other thing i'm seeing is that more of the people that we are seeing in our icu are having to be put on ventilators than the last round of covid we saw. and that is very worrisome because with covid, it's kind of an unforgiving infection. once you get on a ventilator, it can be very hard to come off it. so we're very worried. we're seeing a lot more people without previous health problems, so not the comorbidities that we had last time, not the older folks that we had last time. clearly a reflection of the fact that the biggest group of people in alabama who don't have fully vaccinated status are young adults. and that is really preventible and very, very worrisome. >> that is very worrisome. getting on a ventilator, that is not an experience that you want
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to have as the person who's being ventilated or the family member who's being told, we'll be right back, we're going to intubate your family member, just pray. that's usually how that conversation goes. thank you for being here and giving us a glimmer of what's happening on the ground in alabama. please stay safe. >> thank you so much. still ahead, everything we know about the bomb threat at the capitol today. the trump supporter behind it, and why he was able to stream live on facebook for hours during the standoff. that's coming up next. ndoff. that's com ing up next.
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after a tense five-hour standoff in front of the library of congress, a trump supporter from north carolina who claimed to have an explosive device in his truck crawled from the vehicle and surrendered to police. capitol police say a search of the truck did not turn up any viable explosive devices. the suspect live streamed on facebook for hours during the standoff, listing a litany of grievances, demanding the resignation of president biden and insisting donald trump would replace biden and pardon millions of trump supporters. the incident comes less than a week after the department of homeland security issued a terrorism threat summary warning through the remainder of 2021, racially or ethnic kael motivated violent extremists and
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anti-government, anti-authority violent extremists will remain a national threat priority for the united states. as a former fbi special agent, clint watts is at the foreign policy research institute. he's author of "messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news." clint, what do we know about the suspect and his motives at this point? >> well, zerlina, he's a pretty interesting character. you could tell right away just from watching the footage it was a mix of political grievances, specifically in that live stream talked about president joe biden many, many times. he seemed to be talking about it not being a political issue but only talking about nancy pelosi and the president. so clearly he picked this location for a reason. the other point is it speaks to the power of the insurrection.
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many months later, this is now the second incident around the capitol where we've seen people show up. this becomes like a magnet essentially for people who have anti-government views. it's very clearly what he had. separately, though, what you could also seem to tell from his rhetoric and what he was talking about is he was a troubled individual. he clearly is under a lot of stress. he talked quite a bit about getting back and speaking with his family. his thoughts were often rambling and incoherent. and so he's under some sort of mental duress, mental stress. he did not have an actual device, even though he was making lots of claims, or at least a functional device. ultimately what i noticed about it is he created a spectacle and drew attention to his case. when you look at his social media feed, he was talking about other rallies in other locations. he listed one particularly in north carolina. so i think ultimately what we see is insurrection isn't over in terms of the aftermath and the effects that it has on our country. >> in terms of how this incident
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fits in with the homeland security warnings that we've had recently, how does it fit in with other things that we've seen? we've seen a number of things since the insurrection, but this seems to be the most serious so far. >> that's right, zerlina. so what's interesting in all of this is you have actual organized groups, and that's sort of the militia collectives that we saw. some of them showing up at the insurrection. oath keepers, proud boys, 3% movement, certain members of those chapters and groups showed up. that's not what this was. this is what we would call a stocastic event. one that happens at random and it's hard to predict or anticipate where somebody takes it upon themselves to do an attack or at least to look like they're doing an attack to draw attention to their cause. i think that's the toughest one for all of law enforcement and homeland security to detect because there are no indicators of which of the many hundreds if not thousands of individuals who make these claims are actually going to deliver on them.
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so it's really going to be a challenge for us i think for the rest of the year and well into 2022. >> i'm curious your reaction to folks like republican congressman mo brooks of alabama who plotted with trump to overturn the election and he released a statement today saying although this terrorist motivation is not publicly known and generally speaking, i understand citizenry anger directed at dictatorial socialism and its threat to liberty, freedom and the very fabric of american society. this feels to me like this is emboldening more people to do these kinds of actions because in a way he's implicitly justifying this behavior. he's saying, well, i understand why they're mad, although i don't agree with their methods. >> that's right, zerlina. two things, hey, mo brooks, you are not helping. you're making things worse, number one. if you're worried about the safety of all americans, you wouldn't make a statement like he made today, which is essentially having it both ways,
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right? he's saying this is an incident where i worried about police at the capitol but at the same time i understand the justifications. whenever political leaders start to go along with the justifications of people who are participating in extremists, you are more than likely going to get more inspired extremists. so this is particularly damaging to our country. it also just speaks to the nature of what's going on, which is domestic extremists both and international terrorists don't. that's why he made that statement there, he's trying to play to a base and have it both ways. ultimately he's going to be the one that could be potentially a victim there at the capitol some day. >> that's a scary thought, but also why would you want a terrorist to vote for you? that's a question for another segment. clint watts, thank you so much for being here tonight, and please stay safe. >> thank you. up next, why the sentencing of a january 6th rioter was called off last minute, thanks to some online sleuths and what they found after this. nd what they found after this.
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more than seven months after the january 6th insurrection, the fbi is still building cases and relying on tips from the internet vigilantes who are helping. case in point, one insurrectionist named robert reeder had his sentencing scheduled for yesterday and he pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of picketing, demonstrating or parading inside the capitol. but at the last minute the judge delayed the proceedings after amateur cyber sleuths uncovered this video of him appearing to assault a police officer. they shared it on twitter just hours before the sentencing was supposed to begin. he could now face additional charges. but why are private citizens doing this work and not the fbi? ryan riley is a senior justice reporter for huff post and has been reporting on the ongoing
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investigations into the january 6th insurrection. he's writing a book about the fbi's unprecedented use of crowd source information in this investigation. ryan, tell me more about the sedition hunters, because i feel like that's my next halloween costume and i need to know who they are, how they started, how they operate. give me the goods. >> yeah, they're all over the country and indeed the world. basically these are people who are very motivated to find out the people who were behind january 6th. they're hunting down these clues and they keep spreadsheets and they keep documents. they have screen grabs out the wazoo as one sedition hunter told me. basically they're trying to hunt down every moment and track people as they go throughout the capitol and also identify people who have not been arrested yet. with richard reeder here, this was someone arrested very early by the fbi. i think the important background here is that this wasn't a target of sedition hunters initially because he was one of the very first arrests. he was caught with facial
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recognition by federal authorities very early on. and so it wasn't someone they spent much time focusing on. when this case popped up, they did a little hunting around and check out what was happening with this case because they saw it was a misdemeanor and all of a sudden they uncovered this video. so it really is this remarkable moment where these online sleuths completely changed the trajectory of a federal prosecution. >> that is absolutely incredible, but also makes me wonder what the fbi is doing. i understand they're working very hard to prosecute as many people as possible. but this example shows you that they might be missing some crimes. so the fbi, it's not like they don't have the capability, they have a long history of surveilling and sabotaging left-wing organizations and spaces, most recently with black lives matter. why aren't we seeing this same urgency with this investigation? >> you know, i think the thing that makes the sedition hunters work so well is the crowd sourcing and that's something that the fbi is just not set up for. this isn't how they go about
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things. with bank robbers they're used to focusing on individual targets in specific geographic areas. they're not set up internally or externally to use the power of the crowd and connect some of the dots here. the way that they organized this behind the scenes on the sedition hunters' side, they have tagged people's activities throughout the entire time they were at the capitol. oh, i was watching this footage and that person was there. so this assault is something they spotted at the very last minute and really does completely change the game. this is not someone who would have been getting this type of misdemeanor deal had they known about this from the very beginning. this is someone who lied to the fbi and said he didn't have an encounter with them. so he was about to get a sentence that probably is a lot shorter than what would have happened had they not come up with this. luckily there was a carve-out back in the plea deal that allowed the federal authorities to bring additional charges if they see a crime of violence, which obviously this is. so there is still the ability to
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bring further charges. but this is something that would not have gone down this path towards this misdemeanor plea deal had they known about this information earlier on. >> well, i really am grateful to the sedition hunters for making sure that anybody who committed a crime at the capitol that day is held fully accountable under the law. ryan riley, thank you so much for your time tonight, and please stay safe. >> thanks. ahead, with thousands trying to flee afghanistan, reports that the taliban has set up checkpoints around the airport in kabul. what this means for getting people out. next. next. or at least your 2021 version of what normal should be. and no matter what that is, walgreens is here to help you do it your way. with delivery in as little as one hour. because now... things come to you. same day vaccination appointments. because you're ready. and walgreens cash rewards you can donate back to your community. the new normal?
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escape, boarding a commercial flight from kabul to qatar on tuesday. the team became world famous a few years ago when members were denied visas to travel to the united states and they were finally allowed in after 53 members of congress signed a petition and trump intervened. the team then traveled all over the u.s. and europe, winning accolades and competitions and meeting with celebrities and politicians like senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire, who called the team an inspiration for young women across the globe. tonight, ten women of that all girls robotic team are safely in qatar. but the others are still in afghanistan where they face a worrying future under the taliban. they aren't alone. thousands of other afghans are desperately trying to flee the country. with the taliban blocking the road to the airport, it is unclear just how all of those people are going to get out safely. i want to bring in someone who
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is trying to help afghans flee the country. the policy director for the international refugee assistance project. so a lot has changed between monday and today. we all woke up monday morning and i think safe to say a lot of us were horrified by the images that we saw monday morning. what is the status of the effort to get as many refugees out of afghanistan safely as we sit here today? >> right. thank you for having me. i think first to be clear, we're speaking about tens of thousands of people that worked with or for the united states advancing our democratic policies, advancing our work to protect the freedom of speech, advancing women's rights, and that work was done with the promise that if that work put their lives in danger, the united states would have their back and make sure that they were brought to the u.s. to safety. and when it happened was once
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the u.s. pulled out, the taliban started going door-to-door hunting people down and the u.s. has not kept up its promise. so since monday, the airport is secure by u.s. government troops. flights are going out. but we don't have enough flights and we don't have enough afghans on those flights. the other unfolding humanitarian crisis is that it is very difficult to safely get inside the airport. that's where the chokehold is right now. the u.s. government has identified tens of thousands of people, has sent out visas and boarding passes, but -- and telling people to go to the airport, but they can't get in. there are taliban checkpoints. the gates are incredibly crowded. we have a client who was tear gassed, her and her toddler. we've had another client beaten
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by the taliban. we have clients who are pregnant and just have been waiting for hours and hours with no hope. just unclear as to whether or not they're going to be able to get into the airport. so that is the current situation. it's nighttime. there is a curfew and there are many afghans, including our clients, that are sleeping outside the gates and just hoping that the americans let them in and that they can get onto flights to safety. >> you said that the biden administration has come up short. in what ways have they come up short in terms of assisting these folks who as you said have helped america in their efforts in the war in afghanistan and what do they need to do to speed up this process so folks are not sleeping outside on the ground hoping somebody is going to open the door in the morning? >> as soon as the biden administration announced that we would have a military withdrawal from afghanistan, organizations
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like where i work and others made it clear that any sort of military withdrawal would put those allies, partners, at risk and any sort of military retro military operation, a complex logistical puzzle to move 20 years of supplies and equipment out had to have a component that evacuated people. but it did not. at the end of the day, we did not evacuate people, and so as soon as the u.s. withdrew from the provinces, the taliban put up check points on roads, made it difficult to get into kabul, and then what we saw over the weekend was kabul itself fall and still no plan from the administration on how to get people out. for example, we had a client who applied for one of these visas because she was working to improve educational opportunities for women in a province outside kabul. she applied six years ago, and
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is still waiting and we were able to get her on one of the last flights out from her town to kabul before it fell, but now she's in hiding. it's unclear when it's going to be safe or how it's going to be safe to get to the airport and if she gets to the airport, how does she get in. it's not too late. we're in the 11th hour, but we've got days, maybe weeks to make sure this evacuation doesn't turn into a massacre, and for that to happen, we really need to get more afghans on to planes and out of the country. >> thank you so much for making the time tonight and for being here and helping us understand what's happened between monday and today. please stay safe. >> thank you. up next, we're getting our first real picture of what the american public at large thinks about the war in afghanistan, and the numbers, they may surprise you. that's next. ou that's next.
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despite the political fallout from the u.s.'s chaotic departure from afghanistan, president joe biden is standing by his decision to withdraw from the war, refusing to call it a mistake in the face of bipartisan criticism. but as the evacuation continues, how are americans feeling about the nation's longest war? a new poll out today shows that 62% of the country, almost 2/3 of the country believe that the war in afghanistan was not worth fighting. cornell belcher is a democratic pollster and strategist, and he joins me now. i think there's a lot caught up in the responses to that particular question, but with the majority of americans believing that the war wasn't worth it 20 years after it started, do you think that president biden will ultimately benefit from being on the right side of the bigger question here? even if the short-term situation on the ground is unstable and very fluid?
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>> it's a great question and good to be talking to you, by the way. here's the problem, americans are notoriously shortsighted or, you know, forgetful when it comes to foreign policy. you know, it's not something that they sink their teeth into. two months or three months from now, will the average voter be thinking about what's happening in afghanistan, a place where most of us can't find on a map when they're trying to think about their kids going back into schools and dealing with covid, and rising prices. you know, i'm not surprised that the president where the vast majority of americans are on this. i don't think short-term or long-term he'll get much benefit from it. i remember the night vividly when barack obama came on television and said, you know, americans had brought justice and gotten bin laden and americans sort of rallied around
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him, but, you know, two months later, that rally was gone. i think americans are more focused on what's happening in their communities, what's happening in their homes, what's happening with their kids, and not so focused on what's happening on foreign shores. for better or for worse. >> in a lot of ways, this is one of those places where i'm surprised. democrat and republican governors are asking to take in afghan refugees. it surprises me in the year 2021, so putting biden and what the american people think about the decision to withdraw aside, it's bipartisan in terms of trying to do the humanitarian thing and take in these refugees who need to resettle. do you think that that is going to unfold in an organized fashion or do you think the conservative and right wing forces will ultimately push back? because they are absolutely not traditionally pro refugee. >> well, no, not only are they
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not pro refugee, they, you know, the bedrock pillar of the republican party these days is, in fact, fear of the other, and fanning those fears of the other, and look, whether we're being invaded as our southern border to we're losing our country, you know, they've constantly pushed the fear of the other and what they call sort of real americans losing their country. there is no question in my mind that fox news and others on the right will play the fear of taking in more brown people in this country as, again, you know, them losing their country, them being overrun and others taking over their country. we will see and hear this about this in the midterms without question because it is -- that fanning of the flames of fear about the other is bedrock to republicanism under trump right now. >> yeah, you're already hearing
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them blame undocumented immigrants who are not going over the border into florida for the covid surge. so i think that is actually probably a pretty smart prediction. cornell belcher, thank you so much for being here tonight, and please stay safe. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" on this thursday night. the rachel maddow show starts now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, thank you my friend, much appreciated, and thanks for joining this hour. happy to have you here. what a day this has been. today not one, not two, but three united states senators all announced that they have just contracted covid-19. republican senator roger wicker of mississippi, independent senate angus king of maine, and democratic senator john hickenlooper of colorado announced today they have all tested positive. all three of these men were fully vaccinated which puts a

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