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as being bipartisan at a very difficult time. pausing to congratulate yourself, i think, is a senate thing. >> e.j. dion, orenstein, thank you for being here. day 197 of the biden administration. tonight the delta variant surge shows no signs of easing, and the newest data tells a troubling story. the daily average of new cases in the u.s. is now nearing 90,000. we haven't been here since mid-february. health officials in two of the hardest hit states, texas and florida, say the new reality is reflected in the situation on the ground. >> the 7-day average of new cases is up 92% in last week. hospitalizations are up 49%,
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fatalities are up 15%, so those are all going in the wrong direction. >> the number of patients are unprecedented and that's in black and white. we have more patients in our hospital now than ever before. >> this delta variant surge has been particularly intense across the south. one expert says the next few weeks will be critical in determining if that trend takes hold across the nation. >> we have all 50 states, the district of columbia seeing an increase in cases. the question will be if any of them turn out to be like we're seeing in the south, then we've got a much larger problem on our hands going forward. if not, i think by the early part of the september, we'll see this curve come down. but in the meantime, it's going to extract a tremendous amount of pain in our society. >> dr. fauci has a warning about the virus. he said the delta variant could
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bring about as many as 1,000 to 2,000 cases per day. he said, if we don't get more people vaccinated, the virus will continue to smolder through the fall into the winter. there could be a variant that's lingering out there that can push aside delta. >> he wants the u.s. military to be fully vaccinated against the vaccine. less than 50% of americans are fully vaccinated. while experts say vaccinations are the key to stopping the spread of the virus, they also say delta changed the rules when it comes to masks, even among the fully vaccinated. today the governor of illinois joins those reimposing mask mandates. face coverings will now be required in illinois schools. >> because the vaccine has not
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yet been approved for children under 12, because there are many people who are reluctant across some of the districts to adopt the cdc's guidance, effective immediately, all p-12 schools and daycares in illinois must follow the cdc guidance of universal masking inside regardless of vaccine status. >> of course, the return of masks means the return of partisan battles over them. the political sparring between president biden and florida's republican governor has escalated. one day after biden called out governors who have moved to ban masks and other mitigation strategies, the white house came to his defense. >> that wasn't an evaluation, a partisan evaluation or assessment, that was an assessment of what isn't happening. there are leaders who are not stepping up and are getting in the way of the american people, companies and others who are trying to save lives and stop the spread of delta, and we are
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going to keep calling that out. that's not meant to be partisan, it's not meant to be political, it's just meant to convey that more action is needed. >> at nearly the same time, roughly 900 miles south of washington, here's what florida's ron desantis was saying. >> joe biden has taken to himself to try to single out florida over covid. what is his big solution? what is he so upset about florida? his solution is he wants to have the government force kindergartners to wear masks in school. he thinks that should be a decision for the government. i can tell you, in florida the parents are going to be the ones in charge of that decision. so why don't you do your job, why don't you get this border secure, and until you do that, i don't want to hear a blip about covid from you. >> desantis is now using his current feud with biden to raise funds from supporters. but another republican governor,
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asa hutchinson of arkansas, is having regrets about signing a statewide ban on masks in schools. his entire state is now designated as a region with a high rate of covid transmission. so the governor is calling the republican-led state legislature back into session to try to reverse the ban that he signed in april. >> i signed it at the time because our cases were at a very low point. everything has changed now. yes, in hindsight, i wish that had not become law. >> this new ban on masks comes as millions of people are expected to gather in sturgis, south dakota. that's for the annual motorcycle rally which kicks off on friday. just like a year ago, there is a concern that it will be a super spreader event. few attendees wore masks last year, and that's likely to be the case again this year. we are also following the latest developments concerning new york's embattled governor andrew cuomo. else in a battle for his
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political life after the state attorney general's report that alleged he sexually harassed nearly a dozen women. cuomo has denied any wrongdoing. but today protesters in manhattan demanded his resignation or impeachment. a marist poll shows 59% of americans surveyed wants him to step down. the same amount says if he doesn't, he should be impeached. the governor has not been charged with anything, but he is now the subject of criminal investigations from four separate district attorneys, and one says she plans to sue the governor. let's bring in our lead-off guest, eugene daniels, writer at "politico." julie pace, assistant editor for the associated press. and republican strategist.
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there is a 12% drop in joe biden's approval rating when it comes to handling covid. 53% approved now, it was 65% in may, just three months. since january, the biden white house has become kind of entwined with this whole premise, right, of handling the pandemic. in fact, even before that he ran on it. what do they do now at the white house? >> i mean, that is the number one threat that they said when they walked into the door, right? they said that is their number one focus, that it was the first bill, the first big bill that was signed and pushed out. they talked about the covid relief plan over and over and over again, so they know this is the thing they have to get under control in this country. you know, they -- when you talk to folks even behind the scenes in their own background, they don't feel scared, they feel sober about what's happening right now and what that means for the political future, but they also try to keep politics
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out of it. i know that sounds kind of pollyannish. they're talking about delta from the viewpoint of what science is saying. that's the thing this white house is concentrating on and that doesn't always make good politics, right? concentrating on the science, following the science where it may lead, even if it led to people putting masks back on, right? that's very unpopular. people see and they're also hearing a lot, especially from right wing media this idea that there will be lockdowns again even though jen psaki has said that's not really something that's on the table at this point. so there's all these different factors making everyone look at the biden white house and promise to get covid under control, make us go back to normal life as delta is kind of resurging and we're seeing all these issues, less people getting vaccinated, all of that. but it's not just on the white house. all these states and locales
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also have a part to play as well. >> we're witnessing that escalating of words at the white house and governor desantis. he is not alone among republican governors but he's certainly the most vocal. what is really going on here? what are the political undercurrents to what we're seeing and hearing? >> i think there are a couple things at play here. just from a policy standpoint, biden does have to lean on governors because there's only so much he can do on his own as president. i know sometimes that sounds a little silly, but that is our reality of system of government that biden can advise, he can tell governors what he thinks they should do, but ultimately it's governors who have more of the control in their states when it comes to what state employees should be doing and when it comes to what businesses should be doing, what schools should be doing, so he's trying to ramp up the pressure. there is political pressure here, and i agree the white house is trying to keep politics out of this, but we live in a very political time, so ron desantis is someone who has his
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eye on 2024. he wants to set himself up in every which way he can in opposition to joe biden. he wants to show that his state is open, that his state is not going to take restrictive measures. desantis has to deal with the fact, though, that while he's taking that position, cases in his state are reaching record levels here. how he tries to calibrate that, i think, will be interesting to watch. biden will also try to keep politics out of this. he knows his politics will depend on how he handles the pandemic. he wants to be the one trying to keep the country safe and painting these republican governors as being reckless. >> that's how he ran, right? i'm going to be the responsible adult. so much more to talk about where that's concerned, but susan, i have to ask you about governor cuomo. this is what the "new york times" writes about him. the pillars of mr. cuomo's political base now appear to be cracking beneath him as he suffers consequential defections
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from poor constituencies, including labor, white suburban lawmakers and black political leaders. his only apparent hope is that during the time it takes to draw up impeachment papers as the state assembles its investigation, the aura of public good he earned early in the pandemic will stifle the sentiment against him. it's being reported in several outlets he's refusing to resign. obviously, he said that in his statement yesterday, essentially saying i didn't do anything wrong. he apparently thinks he can ride this out even among those things that are going away from him, while he's hemorrhaging all this support. you worked with him several years ago, you know new york politics. why does he believe this is going to blow over. >> because he thinks he has, by pure determination and force, he can will it. i'm not joking when i say it. he really does believe he can move mountains. he can ride this out. there's no doubt about it.
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the fact is, though, he kachbt -- can't and he doesn't want to face that reality. he'll keep going, my guess is, a couple days before those impeachment papers are drawn up and voted on. >> but that could happen pretty quickly, susan, you know that. you know how it's working in albany. you've been there, i've been there. it could happen within a matter of a couple months, easily. >> here's the thing you have to understand, though, to keep in mind about andrew cuomo. he wants to always be the first, the best. he wanted to outdo his father in getting four terms. he does not want to be the first governor to be impeached in over 100 years. that is not what he wants his legacy to be. he will not accept that. to me it's pretty clear knowing the way he operates. but you can usually ride out a storm potentially if you have a couple of friends. but he has none.
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you cannot find one person who has said, i stand by andrew cuomo. even the party, the state party, came out and called on him to resign. he basically runs the state party and they still did it. so this is not going to end well for governor cuomo whenever he decides to face facts. no one knows, but my guess, again, is maybe a week or less before those articles of impeachment are moved from the assembly. >> julie, let's go back to capitol hill because majority leader schumer said the bipartisan bill is moving along, they're making good progress. is he being too optimistic? it seems those who weren't involved in crafting this bill a lukewarm. do you think democrats could be in for a surprise? what do you see happening on the ground right now?
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>> his whole plan is to keep progress from happening. he'll continue keep pressing forward and acting optimistic even if behind the scenes there are real questions about what ends up happening here. i do think you have a core group of republicans who were involved in drafting this bill who are really trying to sell it, both to their constituents back home in their states and also to a lot of members. when you look at public polling, the public is on board with this kind of traditional infrastructure spending. they see this as investment in roads and bridges and all those things that politicians on both sides of the aisle have talked about for quite some time. what these republicans are arguing to some of their more reluctant colleagues is this is exactly the kind of legislation we can go back home and feel good campaigning on. how many republicans ultimately end up in that place, whether there is a shift in the party that ends up derailing this legislation, i think, remains to be seen.
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but you do see with these republicans who have jumped on board the bipartisan effort, they want this done for members of the gop. >> speaking of winners, eugene, we saw a new deadline for the eviction moratorium. what do you think will happen with the wing of the biden administration going forward? they do seem to want to have the infrastructure. >> i think one of the key things that happened during his presidency is joe biden had a good relationship with progressives. he was trying to keep them appeased. you saw he had a lot of good relationships with advocates and some of the folks out there in the streets doing a lot of the work, doing a lot of the
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campaigning and bringing things together, so they've been able to keep them happy. however, like you just said, it was starting to get more into the sausage making of this bill. this has been happening a while. after cori bush and others, aoc, jones stayed outside and slept on the capitol steps for days and days, they were able to get this huge win. what that tells them is if they bring things out of the tension, what they told me was if we do things that bring a lot of attention, go for what we know for people who are more aggressive, they're more than likely to come you in a kid's face, sit places. make it uncomfortable for people to go against them. they talk about that with this legislation. there is $2.2 trillion that they want to see done, and the senate
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wants to see this bipartisan deal go through. they said we want to see both go through at the same time or no deal. that's what's arrested to by -- the question is when do they really start using it? when will they start throwing tables and saying, i'll do it when you want me to. >> do you think there is a political risk for joe biden who ak nonld this could be on shaky constitutional ground and there are multiple reports tonight. a group of property managers are tied to it this week, or do you think he can get covid under control? >> i honestly don't think this is something he put a lot of capital into. the money is already there. this is something he can go
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forward with because he just needs a couple weeks for the states to distribute the money. that's what happens at the end of the day. now, when he wants to try to move forward on getting things like infrastructure, it is a tricky walk and the progressive movement definitely has a voice. but at the end of the day, i don't think nancy pelosi is going to be responsible for holding up the president's agenda. and they will figure out a way to deal with the progressives as necessary. >> susan del percio, julie pace, eugene daniels, great to see all of you tonight. thank you. coming up, no surprise here. the pharma guy has his lawyers trying to keep his taxes secret. why our next guest says they're making cockamamie statements. we'll ask the doctor if their outrage can make a difference.
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the former president's legal team is trying yet another tactic to keep congress from getting to his tax returns. in new filings today, they're asking to block the release, and his lawyers argue that congress' goal is to expose the private tax information of one individual, president trump, for political gain. it comes after the doj said on friday that the treasury department must turn over trump's tax returns to the house ways and means committee. for more we're joined tonight by
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neal katyal, assistant attorney general during the obama administration who has argued dozens of cases before the supreme court. so many questions tonight, neal. let's start with whether president trump's attorneys are intervening and could this damage getting those tax returns? >> i called it, as you said earlier tonight, cockamamie earlier in the day, and that might be too generous, chris. this might fail an exam at the rudy giuliani school of law. it's very preposterous. the laws are very clear. it says when three congressional committees, if any of them ask for the tax returns of any individual, they shall be turned over. shall means must. it's as straightforward as night or day. the only people who ever disagreed with this were some lackeys in the trump administration two days ago.
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that decision is now overruled and he will try to create another faction in federal court. i think this will go quickly. it's such a bogus argument, i think it can be decided quickly by the trial court, by the court of appeals, and i can't imagine the u.s. supreme court weighed in. they weighed in once before when trump was afraid to turn his tax returns over or some financial documents over to congress, and he lost that, and all of that was turned over under that decision. >> so unlikely any graduates of the rudy giuliani school of law will go before the supreme court. so in the meantime, neal, what do you think this house committee is going to be looking for in trump's tax returns again, assuming they get them? >> well, you know, we don't know what we don't know. there's obviously been all sorts of allegations of money laundering, of financial i am -- improprieties, lower values when he's seeking financing and
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the like. there is any number of possibilities, but i think the way that we deal with this in a democracy is when someone runs for president, they have to turn over their tax returns, and he's the first one to not do that in modern history, and that's why we're left in this guessing game which is tremendously unfortunate. and now after his presidency, the american people should have known this before any election. >> yeah, so obviously they're still fighting giving out the tax returns. i haven't heard him say recently that he's still under audit, but maybe that's going to continue to be another line that he uses. but on the other side, his legal team actually said earlier this week they won't try to stop six doj officials from testifying before congress. what's your read on that? >> well, i think they just couldn't. executive privilege is something that is given to the incumbent president under a supreme court case from 1977, and president trump, while he was president, tried to block testimony, tried to block people from telling the truth, invoking executive
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privilege and other presidential privileges willy-nilly. but he's not the president anymore, and under supreme court precedent, it's joe biden who decides those things. and so, you know, i think that was a brief acknowledgment of the reality-based community when the president said he was going to let these six individuals testify, but now it sounds like even that, they're having some second doubts about and maybe they don't want these individuals or other individuals to testify. they're thinking about trying to invoke executive privilege, even though he's not the executive anymore. you know, it was a lesson for a moment that they thought it looked like they had learned, but like so much else with trump, you know, they can't learn a simple, basic civics lesson. >> i also want to ask you about the findings of this andrew cuomo civil investigation. now you've got top prosecutors in at least four jurisdictions investigating criminally. based on what you've seen so far, what's the likelihood the governor could be charged with a crime here?
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>> again, i think that's something that's going to require a lot of time, and yes, there was an investigation. it looks like a thorough one by the new york attorney general. >> just to be clear, neal, the burden of proof in this civil litigation is something very different than what a d.a. would look at to file criminal charges. >> that's what i was going to say. in "the 11th hour" before, like the george floyd case, you had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt for good reason. we never want to send anyone who might be possibly innocent to prison. so, yes, there are four criminal investigations, it sounds like, of the governor going on right now, but that's going to occur under a much higher standard of proof than the report that the new york attorney general issued yesterday. and so i think everyone should let that process play out, take a breath and see what happens. >> neal katyal, thank you so much. and coming up, what the
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i have been a legislator for nine consecutive years here in the district, so if politics are local, i'm as local as it gets. it takes delivering results, not
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insults. enough lip service, people want public service and that's what i've been doing for the last nine consecutive years. >> the winner in ohio's 9th district. "politico" wrote this. the democratic establishment dealt a crushing blow to the progressive movement tuesday, when shontel brown, the preferred candidate of party stalwarts, triumphed over the win. great to see you. so, eugene, i'm really curious to get your take on this. lots of folks heralding a jim clyburn kingmaker moment yet again. it was so interesting, though,
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earlier this week you wrote, maybe you thought the progressives versus pragmatists struggle within the democratic party was over, at least for now. not a chance. centrists may have been on something of a roll recently, but they underestimate the party's activist left at their own peril. what do you take from last night? >> the democratic party still has quite a bit of power, particularly in the house of representatives where speaker pelosi's margin is slim, and the progressives, if they were of a mind to, could throw a serious monkey wrench into her plans. that said, the progressive party in terms of its actual voting in the house has been pretty pragmatic and pretty realistic
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about what can get through the house and potentially get through the senate and what can't. nonetheless, you've got to say that the election yesterday was certainly a telling blow, a big blow to the progressive movement, which really hoped to get nina turner elected, and she's, you know, a fiery and well-known and perhaps, frankly, too abrasive to have won that seat. she certainly brought out the fight in jim clyburn and a lot of other members of the establishment, including a congressional black caucus. you saw the result. >> if it's a telling blow, a.b., and i think a lot of people would agree with eugene on that, what does it tell us? does it tell us about how much democrats generally like joe biden, how tired they are of extremisms, so for a while they
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just want to take a breath and go moderate? what does it tell us, if anything? >> well, the democratic party is coming to terms, and you've seen stories about the polling they're seeing internally and the warnings they're getting about their prospects next year. joe biden almost did not win this election. and if you throw out the votes in california and new york, it was really close to donald trump's second term. and the democrats like jim clyburn have looked at that data and they're well aware of the fact that progressives, when they challenge establishment moderate democrats in primaries often always lose. but their activism, their energy and their issues that they prioritize are unpopular with the suburban voters the democrats are renting and would like to own and need to turn out next year or stay home and not vote republican. this is why you heard jim clyburn in a transition between
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november and january and the runoffs in georgia saying deliberately several times, if we talk about defunding the police, we will lose in georgia. he was provoked by nina turner into getting into this race when she agreed with someone that it was stupid for him to be playing in this race and endorsing shontel brown. eugene is right. more of a combative aggressive candidate, anyway. but the progressive wing is taking a combative stance. joaquin jeffries, who is the heir apparent to become speaker if nancy pelosi should step down is now having to start a pact with jeff dolfheimer for stopping threatening incumbents.
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while biden has done a good job of keeping bernie happy and quiet and keeping this under wraps, it is a real division and the party is well aware that they will lose badly next year if they allow the progressives to drive the messaging. >> you know this, eugene, this loss follows virginia, louisiana, new york city. but how much of this is about style and how much is it about substance? can you be strong on the issues but not, as some people would say, abrasive. give those sound bites that a pac on the other side can use over and over and over again. where do you see the problem here? what's the lesson for progressives? >> well, in cleveland, in this district, the style may have been a little bit more important than in other outcomes, but, you know, the establishment has been on a roll in these primaries,
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and this is not deniable. the other side of the coin, though, is that progressives do bring energy and voters and especially young voters to the party and to the polls. and the establishment, yes, you can slap down the progressives and maintain control and try to keep them quiet so they don't, you know, upset independents and suburbanites, but you can't do that in a way that you turn off the young, new, excited voters that progressives bring to the party because you have to say in a sense that's a big part of the future of the democratic party. so you can't go that far. they have to be very careful in how they do this. >> meantime, a.b., we should also mention ohio's other big primary last night and the
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trump-backed republican one. there had been a lot of talk about him losing his grip on the party, or at least that it was slipping in terms of endorsements, that some republicans were saying, i wish he would stay away, stay out of these house races. is his grip really slipping? >> no. we had a bad week in texas last week when his candidate lost but he certainly was happy with the results last night. and every time the republicans say -- and they do it quietly all the time -- he's going to go away, his power will wane, his hold on the party is temporary, and that's something donald trump retains this grip that makes candidates and electives in the republican party are afraid to back off with him. he may be more of a liability than a strength, but they cannot get out from under him. >> a.b. stoddard, eugene robinson, thank you both so much. coming up, covid frustration
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what's in the vaccine? give me the sheet. >> i believe people are quite ill. i'm not sure what the illness is. >> it's not been tested long enough. i'm a nurse. i'm very concerned about the long-term side effects. >> what will save lives, governor, and it's not the vaccine! >> part of a hostile crowd taking on the republican governor of arkansas as covid infections skyrocket in his state. they're not alone. a new kaiser family foundation survey finds more than half of unvaccinated adults are wrongly
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convinced that getting the shot is a bigger health risk than the virus itself. as the delta variant fills hospitals, there is growing frustration over vaccine resistance. here is how new jersey's governor responded to a group of anti-vaccine protesters earlier today. >> these folks back there have lost their mind. you've lost your minds. you are the ultimate knuckleheads and because of what you're saying and standing for, people are losing their lives. >> for more we welcome back dr. celine gounder who is the head of infectious diseases. she was part of the panel in the biden transition team on covid, and she also writes an article called "epidemic." good to see you here. i think a lot of people can relate to governor murphy, right? but at this point, who is the best messenger to reach those
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people to convince that the vaccine is not much worse than the virus? >> this is a game we need to take from family to family, person to person, and the best players at that game, frankly, are personal doctors, family physicians and other people in the community, community health workers, nurses, pharmacists, other people that are just known to their neighbors. maybe they go to church together. that's the level at which we need to be doing this messaging. so people who know one another. >> part of the problem is, and, again, these stories get -- maybe they're the ones that get told most, but so many people are being convinced by the fact that somebody in their family is dying. how do we get to them before that? >> i wish we had a good answer to that. as somebody who, on my way to work at bellevue over a year ago now, i walked next to those
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mortuary trucks that were parked outside the medical examiner's office across the street from the hospital. i saw nurses being intubated in the hospital. i saw patients who had to say goodbye to family members on phones and ipads. the biggest tragedy is people are dying now because of misinformation and because they do not believe that covid is real. >> so today the world health organization called for a moratorium on booster vaccine shots for the next several weeks to help at least 10% of the population of every country get vaccinated. the u.s. surgeon general was asked about that and this is what he said. >> well, look, i recognize why the w.h.o. has raised this concern. they're concerned about the whole world. and frankly, we are, too. i don't think we need to necessarily choose between vaccinating the rest of the world and providing the vaccinations, including boosters, potentially, if
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they're acquired, and the world health needs. we have to protect both. >> with the delta variant, a lot of folks are saying, give me that now, give me that booster shot. would you agree, are we protecting both? >> i would disagree, and with all due respect, he's a friend and former colleague, but i believe the best way to protect ourselves, and i say this as somebody who was also vaccinated very early on as a front line health care provider. i'm more than six months out from my vaccinations, but i know i will be better protected than people who are not yet vaccinated, and that includes people in the u.s., people overseas, if they get vaccinated first. that will actually offer me personally better protection. so he's right, we don't have to choose, but the choice, the right choice for all of us is to get vaccines to people who have not yet been vaccinated. >> understanding that, what does the research say so far about the need for boosters? and what about san francisco
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allowing j&j recipients to get a supplemental boost of a vaccine. >> right, this is about optimizing personal immunity, but you have to understand that vaccines work best when populations are vaccinated, not when individuals are vaccinated. you really get the greatest benefit by vaccinaing people around you versus just yourself. what we are seeing is there is vaccine effectiveness in terms of infection, but it does protect against severe disease, hospitalization and death. >> we're also hearing more and more that there may be these long-term consequences for people who are these breakthrough cases, right? and they could have ongoing problems, a range of problems. they're not going to end up in the hospital, necessarily, and they're not going to end up dead, but they might lose their sense of taste and smell or they might find themselves fatigued
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for months on end. for those folks, that's why they're arguing, give me the booster, right? >> i think the w.h.o. is saying, can we please at least get 10% of the world vaccinated? they're asking to save lives. i get that those of us who are concerned about, i certainly don't want to lose my sense of taste or smell, but these are things i can mitigate against by continuing to wear a mask, by socializing outdoors. those are pretty low-cost things. when we could be saving lives, i think the choice is very clear. >> let me tell you about the concerns anthony fauci had and that there could be another variant that's out there just waiting, and we could be in even more trouble. we think we're in trouble now, we could be in more trouble. is he right about that? >> he is. this is another reason we need to be vccinaing around the world. the delta variant emerged from
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chesky, is in new orleans with that story. >> reporter: tonight as the delta variant packs hospitals, doctors are seeing a new type of patient. >> we're concerned because we're seeing some very sick kids. >> reporter: at children's hospital in new orleans, dr. mark klein says patients under 17 years old make up one in five new cases and are especially vulnerable since many don't qualify for the vaccine. 16-year-old riley did qualify. she's now spent the last three days on oxygen. >> that's the absolutely scary part is how fast it happened. >> reporter: we met the doctor after the doctor cleared riley to go home. >> reporter: he said the fever led to pneumonia. >> it's really hard to see your child ill in a hospital possibly -- you know, you don't know what's going to happen next. >> reporter: nationwide, youth covid cases are on the rise. the american academy of
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pediatrics reporting more than 70,000 new infections just last week. >> we can see very clearly that children can be severely infected and affected, and i hope that that will motivate more parents to obtain vaccines. >> reporter: the brough family now looking to their vaccine shots soon. >> see what she went through? i'm taking it. >> that was enough to change your mind. >> that was enough to change my mind. >> something they hope more listen to. there's more "the 11th hour" after this quick break. quick bk
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rachel is on vacation. we start tonight with the man in virginia name travis campbell. he has been in the hospital for more than a week now because of complications to covid-19. he was unvaccinated, so where his wife and their children. they all caught the virus in july. his wife explained to nbc quote, -- now he's in the icu and has an urgent warning for anyone like him has still not gotten their covid vaccine. >>

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