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capehart starts right now. good morning. i'm jonathan capehart. tiffany cross is off this morning. we begin this saturday with lawmakers in a push to propose a revised voting rights bill before the august recess. senate democrats are expected to propose a scaled back version of the bill in an attempt to garner republican support. the hill's top democrats met with president biden and vice president harris at the white house on saturday to discuss pushing the bill forward. meanwhile, democratic state representatives from texas, who left the lone star state 1k9 days ago ago in order to solve package of a restrictive elections bill remain here in washington, continuing to press congress to pass federal legislation. now, the battle for the plat is reaching the streets of austin, texas, as activists who have been marching since wednesday,
descend on the state capitol today. joining me now, live from the march, former congressman from texas, beto o'rourke, and co-chairman of the poor people's campaign, bishop william barber. bishop william barber is also the author of "we are called to be a movement." gentlemen, thank you both for being here. i want to tell our viewers that you are about a mile -- i understand, a mile from the state capitol, with marchers gathered behind you. beto, let me start with you. and just get your sense of the mood, the mood there among the marchers, heading to the state capitol, demanding that their right to vote be respected and protected. >> reporter: there is a lot of energy, there's a lot of power here, there's a lot of strength where we are right now in austin. as we make our way to the state capitol, where we're urging people to join us there at 10:00 a.m. this morning. they're going to hear from bishop barber, the poor people's
campaign, allied organizations. and at the end of the rally, willie nelson will play a concert here. there's a lot of good energy and a lot of good power. jonathan, that's what it's going to take to get the for the people act through. we've got to give the president and the members of the senate the pour they need to get this done. and that's why we're rallying at the capitol this morning. >> and you know, bishop barber, i would love to get your reactions, as well. also to the former congressman's op-ed at cnn.com. i believe it was yesterday, making that very -- that very argument that, you know, you guys out there today with the marchers, you're about getting power for the president to get this done. and you're someone who's organized many, many, many, marches. your perspective right now? >> yeah, well, more than just marches, direct action. some of this obedience, call-ins. you know, we've been at this for
over six weeks now. that's what it takes. it's not going to just take one event. we're talking about state's rights extremists, trying to take away what 46 million people use, expanded opportunities to voting rights. this is not jim crow. this is an attack on native and asian and white and gay and straight. this is an attack on disabled people and older people. that's why people are marching. that's why they're standing. we're nationalizing texas. like selma was nationalizing 65. but, listen, the president has to ask. this is the fdr, he's got to go to the well of the congress. and i know he's talking to -- he's got to come here and talk to people, a diverse crowd of people in texas, in west virginia, and then -- and in arizona, and then go to the well of the congress. and it's not just voting rights. we need to stop that filibuster. it's always been ugly. we need to pass the voter restoration act when it's ready, because it's not even written.
pass $15. if you care about essential workers, that should be a part of this. dr. king said voting and economics had to go together. and protect our immigrant brothers and sisters. and we're tired of always, what one thing do you want. why is it when billionaires and corporations ask for trillions, day get a trillion, but poor and low-wealth people have to get one thing and it has to be narrowed down. no, no, no, this is a new day. that's why people are out here and that's why we're moving. >> and bishop barber, to your point, let me play some sound from senator warnock before -- in pa capitol hill interview on thursday. get your reaction, congressman o'rourke, on the other side. >> do you think this is more important than traditional infrastructure or even human infrastructure bill that democrats want to pass? >> i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. we have to work on the physical infrastructure of our country and we have to work on the infrastructure of our democracy. so what i'm saying is that voting rights, which represents
the democracy itself is the framework in which all of the arguments about climate change, about health care, about taxes takes place. >> and in fact, congressman o'rourke, that was exactly the point that bishop barber was making a moment ago, wasn't it? >> absolutely. and i've got to tell you, i don't know that there will be a we get voting rights legislation passed in 2021, because you simply will not have free and fair elections in georgia or florida or texas, or more than a dozen other states that have already passed voter suppression legislation. so for the sake of our democracy, more than for any one party, we need to get this passed. and we need the president, to bishop barber's point, to make this his number one, undying, unyielding focus. it's the only way lbj got five voting rights act. it's exactly how president biden will get through the 2021 for the people act.
let's see this through, put our eyes on the prize, until we win this fight and save our democracy. >> and jonathan. can i ask you a question before you start marching? >> yeah, go ahead. >> listen, listen, as beto said, this is bigger than just this moment. this is about democracy. and the same people that did the physical violent insurrection on january 6th have been leading a political policy insurrection in statehouses. the same people that have blocked living wages and blocked health care and blocked climate change are blocking and suppressing the vote. we've been saying the infrastructure of your democracy of voting is the bridge to all of those other policies. so if you destroy the bridge of your democracy, it doesn't matter if you build a physical bridge, because the democracy will crumble. and that's why we've got to do this. we've got to stop all of this little game. let's see if we can get votes for the infrastructure and then get votes for the -- why not say, we're not voting on the infrastructure until we save the democracy. that's the question. and poor and low-wealth people,
140 million of them, 12.6 million many texas, 5 million people in texas who make less than a living wage, regardless of their color, race, or creed, that's who get hurts the most. and they represent 30% of the electorate. that's why people are so fired up. they don't do this, not in a narrow way, but in a full constitutional way. we'll be right back here, '22, '26, and it will be worse. regression and retrogression never gets better. that's why we're marching for democracy. >> it's saturday, but i'm going to say men. in a readout of a meeting between president biden, vice president harris and the democratic leadership, here's what it says. the president, vice president, speaker, and senate leader agreed on the moral imperative of passing legislation to protect against voter suppression, electoral subversion, dark money, and will continue working together toward that goal urgently.
congressman o'rourke, bishop barber, is that enough? >> we need to see action and we need the president to make the case for changing the, make an exception at a minimum to pass voting rights legislation, nothing good has ever come from that filibuster, but at a minimum, the president must call out the political courage necessary. so that will require to make that for the for the people act. >> we've been around this. i love the president. we need to see the data. because what will happen is, they'll make a small deal and celebrate it as everything. if you say you love john lewis, and he wrote the for the people act, pass the full voter for the peoples act. pass 15. we lost 15 to a filibuster. we've never going to separate
these issues. i want to know how many black folk were in that room while you were talking. how many latinos, how many gay folk, how many disabled vote. are you going to meet with the people. switch this. so mr. president, senator schumer, speaker pelosi, we love you. show us the detail. we're tired of less than. we must fully protect this democracy. come talk to the people on the ground. put those legislators on air force one. data constables to come on that plane and arrest them. fly them back and go to the well of the congress and say we've got to do all of this, not just some of it, and i guarantee you the people will stand up for you. the moral consciousness of the nation will change, and you will go down in history because you did not separate injustice, but you stood with justice. >> and real quickly, that was an
impassioned argument to the speaker, the senate majority leader. what would your message be to senators manchin, sinema, and the other ones who are hiding behind them when it comes to not supporting even carving out an exemption for voting rights for the filibuster? >> manchin ought to be ashamed of himself. 79%over west virginianesses want what the people are wanting. he's wrong, he's been controlled by the u.s. chamber of commerce. 39 of us were arrested at sinema's office. these democrats. here's what i'm concerned about and what we are not -- not one of them when they were running, seeking votes said, if you elect me, i won't vote for the for the people act. manchin was aco-signer vote. they only said that after they got elected. i think warnock and ossoff ought to say, we're not doing anything
with y'all until you do what's best for us. and they have got to get in a room by themselves if necessary and bring this caucus together. we bring the pressure on our side. you put the squeeze on the inside. they can do it. they can do it. because they can do it for anything else they want to do it. we've seen it too many times. you've got to act now. and the people in arizona, people in west virginia, march on your state capitol. we're going to join -- if they don't do this by august 6th or 9th, we're going to start marching on state capitols, brother cape hart. this is too serious. we cannot die and leave this democracy's bridges crumbling and destroyed because we didn't do what needed to be done right now. >> and with that, we're going to have to leave it there. beto o'rourke, former congressman from texas, bishop barber, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. coming up, the cdc now says the war against covid has changed. how? we'll discuss that next. s changed. how? we'll discuss that next.
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doc, can i get the vaccine? the doctors have to say, sorry, it's too late. >> covid cases are on the upswing, especially in states with low vaccination rates, and alarming new findings from an internal cdc document say that the delta variant is as contagious as the chicken pox, and may cause more severe illness than other strains. ed shows that those who are fully vaccinated can still spread the virus, but vaccines are still effective in preventing severe cases. according to the cdc, it's crucial to acknowledge that, quote, the war has changed. earlier this week, they reversed mask guidance and now ask that even the vaccinated wear masks indoors in places with high transmission rates. joining us now, msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. he's also a critical care pulmonologist and faculty member for the institute for health metrics and evaluation at the
university of washington. dr. gupta, thank you very much for being here. just from everything that you've raid so far, just your interpretation, your perspective of this new cdc finding. >> good morning, jonathan, thanks for having me. there certainly is greater urgency to the unvaccinated. and if 2020, jonathan, was the year in which grandma and grandpa were most likely to see someone like me in intenive care, 2021 is approving to be the year, any adult 18 years of age up and is vulnerable. so that threat perception was brought into stark relief with these findings this week from the cdc. and yet i'll say, just having been a part of the education efforts at on-site clinics across the country, that people are confused by this, to some degree. and we feed to still provide context that up to 25 states at the kaiser family foundation
said are following what's happening with vaccine breakthrough cases, both asymptomatic and symptomatic, jonathan, that it looks like only less than 1% of the total cases are vaccine breakthrough cases. that 55% plus of individuals in hospitalized youth across the country are unvaccinated. i think that context will be really vital, who people turn on the news, there's a lot of anxiety and confusion. >> i just need to play for you -- and i hesitate to do this, because he's so loathsome, but it's imperative that what he says be rebutted. let's just listen to senator cruz from thursday. >> the cdc's ruling this week is not accompanied by any data. they did not roll out studies, they did not roll out facts, they did not say, suddenly, vaccines aren't working. instead, they just said, trust us, we have double super secret
studies that we're not going to tell you, based on double super secret data that we're not going to show you, but trust us, because we behave like political hacks and obey us anyway. >> of course, he said that on thursday, which was the day before the cdc released its data. but your reaction to what he said? >> i don't really listen to senator cruz for much of in addition, especially for health advice. but if you want to take what he said and try to find the silver lining of what might actually be actionable, there's some truth to the notion, there's many of us in public health that are scratching our heads on tuesday when the cdc put out this new guidance. yet we were left wondering, is vaccine breakthrough disease, is this a serious thing? how frequent is it? how worried should we be about
its increased validity. without that context and that data, i think that did cause some degree of confusion. the way senator cruz phrased it is not helpful to anyone. but i will say, this is the piece of clarity that i appreciated from senator biden during his press conference, that he was pretty darned clear about what success looks like. either he clearly said, low hospitalization rates, that's why he said, jonathan, you went unmasked in places like philadelphia and delaware, whereas otherwise the cdc data and their risk matrix would have argued for him to put on a mask, he said he didn't, because he was in places that department have covid-related stress. the fact that the president wasn't even table to articulate what his own cdc put out, to me that's the tension here, that's the confusion. but if we work past that, work past that, we have clarity on where we're headed. we're headed towards covid being
endemic. >> so dr. gupta, that's video we're going to show as i'm asking you this question. in chicago on thursday, lollapalooza, you had just hundreds, maybe thousands of people you see there celebrating in public. tomorrow is august 1st. august being family reunions and barbecues and people getting together, what does the cdc data say to you, given the cdc data. what do you say to folks in chicago for lollapalooza, folks heading to family barbecues and reunions, what should we do now that we know this data from the cdc? >> this is what i would say to everybody. it's urgent to get vaccinated, i deally with a two-dose regimen, pfizer or moderna. we know the most about those two regimens vis-a-vis the delta variant. and they're extraordinarily effective. that's a key part of the data
set that was released on thursday that we're not talking enough about. that still the vaccines are 90 to 95% effective against going to the hospital. 88% effective against symptomatic illness. the vital importance of getting vaccinated. and if you live in a place where you're hearing hospitals are packed or brimming up. i was just down in clark county, where their icus are filling up. their test rates for covid are filling up, that you should also mask up. and regardless if your medical conditions, regardless if you've been fully vaccinated. because the chance you could get exposed in the community is higher. but if you're like president biden in philadelphia where hospital rates are low, test rates are low, vaccine rates are high, get vaccinated and live your life. >> dr. vin gupta, thank you very much for coming to this saturday show. after the break, the gop tries to flip the script on the january 6th hearings. congressman eric swalwell joins me next to discuss. ngressman eric swalwell joins me next to discuss n humanity!
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tuesday saw the first hearing of this house select committee to investigate the january 6th attack. and republican lawmakers like new york's elise stefanick were trying to turn the tables and pin the deadly riot on the democrats. it's straight out of the gop playbook, and it's eerily reminiscent of how republicans twisted the tragedy in benghazi into a witch hunt against hillary clinton for overtly political purposes. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable. but no one would have known any of that had happen if we had not fought -- >> i agree. >> joining me now is not someone who is untrustable. he is congressman eric swalwell of california, member of the house intelligence committee who was an impeachment manager in donald trump's second impeachment trial earlier this year. congressman swalwell, great to see you again. thank you for coming back or coming to this saturday show.
because we haven't heard enough from house minority leader kevin mccarthy, i want to play kevin mccarthy and steve scalise and talk to you on the other side. >> speaker pelosi will only pick on people that will ask and a failed report. a sham that no one can believe. >> we see these kind of actions taken by speaker pelosi to cover up the facts that she doesn't want out there. it is completely debased the legitimacy of this commission, because clearly they're searching for the truth. >> congressman swalwell, would love your reaction to this. what are they afraid of? >> the truth, jonathan. let's put aside this morning that dana milbank of "the washington post" concluded that kevin mccarthy is not able to speak english and he's seeking a job that's literally called speaker, we'll put that aside,
they are afraid of the ground truth of january 6th. the ground truth is donald trump assembled, incited, and aimed a mob at the capitol, not just any old date at the capitol, but a day that we were certifying every american's voice in the electoral college. lives were lost, officers were injured, one officer lost an eye, one lost fingers, two took their lives just day later. our democracy nearly died that day. we need to know how it happened, who's responsible, and what can we do to make sure that this democracy rolls on the next time we have to certify an election. >> to your point an who's responsible, you and i have talked about this -- actually, we talked about it last night. we're going to talk about it again. even a listen to congressman jim jordan. >> did you talk to the former president that day? >> i've talked to the former president, umpteens -- thousands -- >> i mean on january 6th -- >> i talk to the president, i never talk about what we talk
about, because i just don't think that's appropriate, just like i don't talk about what happens in republican conferences. so i've talked to the president numerous times. i can continue to talk to the president -- >> i mean on january 6th, congressman. >> yes. i mean, i've talked to the president -- i've talked to the president so many -- i can't remember all the days i've talked to him, but i've certainly talked to the president. >> yeah, that's not the clip i thought it was. it was the hum-nah, hum-nah, hum-nah clip, when he was asked this stuff from the notes from the former acting assistant ag, saying that the president said, leave it to me and the republican congressman. but how worried should congressman jim jordan be about his role, such as it was, that we know so far, on january 6th and the work of the select committee? >> jim jordan and kevin mccarthy are not only witnesses to what happened at the capitol on january 6th, they are witnesses to donald trump's intent and, his conduct, the decisions that
he made that day. that's why jim jordan shouldn't be anywhere close to the dais that is investigating january 6th, but he may be close to the witness table. one question that i have, jonathan, as kevin mccarthy years ago, famously talked about how benghazi was designed to tear down hillary clinton, well, will any of these witnesses have the courage that hillary clinton showed that day when she testified for 11 hours? will we get 11 seconds of kevin mccarthy? will we get 11 seconds of jim jordan? will we get 11 seconds of drrp, who you remember refused to testify when called to the impeachment trial. >> one more question to you, congressman swalwell. given the news that broke yesterday about the notes and we got to see the notes of the act ing ag and deputy acting ag, contemporaneous notes about the president trying to overturn a
free and fair election. given your role in the second impeachment, the stories that came out yesterday, are you surprised by anything that's been reported or were you actually waiting for this particular shoe to drop? >> again, i wish these witnesses had come forward, jonathan, while we were trying to make sure donald trump could never run again, because he is seeking to run again and people continue to perpetuate this big lie, so we are in a situation where we could have another attack on the capitol, and it would have been nice if we could have convinced a few more republican senators with the notes that are coming out now, but that is such a haunting phrase, leave it to me from donald trump, because it was almost left to him. he tested us, and we almost as a country saw our democracy break. that's why if we don't do enough now to really make sure that we understand what happened on the 6th, who was responsible, and how we can make sure it doesn't happen again, we're going to go from being on live report to
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urging congress to pass the eliminating, quantifiably unjust application of the law act, or equal act, which seeks to raise the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, but will enough republicans support it? joining me now to discuss is holly harris, the president and executive director of the justice action network. holly, great to see you. thank you for coming to the saturday show. >> thanks so much for having me, jonathan. i hope i've got some good news for you this morning. >> i hope so, too. but let's put this conversation into perspective. because we've long heard about the sentencing disparities between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. the sentencing project put out a report, crack cocaine sentencing policy unjustified and unreasonable. get a load of this from the report. approximately two-thirds of crack users are white or hispanic, yet the vast majority of persons convicted of possession in federal courts in 1994 were african-american,
according to the ussc. i had never seen that statistic before, but that really does put in high relief the reason why the equal act needs to be passed. >> and this is a bill that will finally and fully eliminate that sentencing disparity, which is an 18-1 sentencing disparity, which is really one of the most egregious vestiges of racial injustice in america's drug policy. it was a couple of weeks ago, that we got a shockingly overwhelmingly bipartisan vote in the house judiciary committee. 36-5 in favor of the equal act. jim jordan voted for this bill. louie gohmert voted for this bill. only five republicans voted against the legislation. i'm telling you, the votes are there, if the speaker would put this bill on the floor right now, the votes are there to get this done for america. >> so, then, why hasn't speaker pelosi put the bill on the
floor. >> well, a lot of this came out pretty quickly. you know, we had the house judiciary committee's vote, and we've been frantically trying to make leadership aware of the strong republican support for this bill, which i think is a real testament to the hard work of the bill's sponsors, both hakim jeffrey, and kelly armstrong, republicans from north dakota, two men who have very little in common, but work together on criminal justice reform. and i'll be honest, it's one of the reasons that we called you. because we know that powerful members of congress watch your show. and we're right to make them aware that if you put the equal act, this historic bill on the floor of the house of representatives right now, we have more than enough republican votes to pass this bill on suspension. >> okay, hello, so more republican votes to pass the bill out of the house, if the speaker brings it to the floor for a vote. however, it then goes over to the senate. how likely is it that senate
majority leader chuck schumer can get ten republicans to sign on or to vote in favor of invoking cloture, so that the bill can actually get to the floor for a majority vote? >> i'll take you back to 2018 with the strategy and the first step back. what we did there is we went for a strong, overwhelmingly bipartisan vote in the house, before we moved over to the senate, where you have that strong bipartisan cooperation. really, i think, one of the historic great bipartisan partnerships between senator dick durbin, the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, and the ranking member, chuck grassley of ohio. those were the two sponsors of the first stepbacks, they're working on a package right now that will be broader than just equal. so i'm hopeful once they see this strong vote on the house side, this foundational bill, i think it's the right legislation at the right time for america, when we're dealing with a lot of very difficult questions
about -- around racial injustice. and one the senate sees this strong vote that will garner the votes of cathy mcmorris rodgers and my friend, when you see that diversity within the republican office, working together, you know this is something special and we can get it to the president's desk this year. and real fast, we have less than 30 seconds left, but the significance of you and the justice action network is that you're coming to criminal justice reform not from the left, but from the right. >> well, we're meeting in the middle, is what we're doing. we're trying to put the partisan rhetoric aside. and it's hard. but we have folks that are working together who have very little in common. and we have a real opportunity in this country to make our justice system fair and more effective. right now, madam speaker, put the equal act on the floor.
it's going to have all the votes you need to pass on suspension, and you've got law enforcement support for this bill. the national district attorney's association, the major city's police chiefs. all of these individuals are working together right now. let's not miss this opportunity. i want to regret that we didn't take this opportunity when we had the chance. >> holly harris, president of the justice action network, you'll have to keep us posted on how things are posted on the equal act. thank you for coming to the saturday show. >> up next, her father signed a landmark voting rights act. now the daughter of president lyndon johnson is joining the fight to protect access to the ballot. s joining the fight to protect access to the ballot millions of vulnerable americans struggle to get reliable transportation to their medical appointments.
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must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice and we shall overcome. >> congressman john lewis once recounted seeing dr. martin luther king jr. wipe away a tear watching president lyndon johnson give that 1965 address to congress, just five months before he signed the voting rights act into law. 56 years later, as texas democrats camp out here in washington in a last-ditch effort to protect ballot access in their state, lbj's youngest daughter is joining the march alongside activists in texas, like, she says, her father would have done. and lucy baines johnson joins me now live from austin. miss johnson, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. >> how could i be anywhere else but here?
>> well, talk about, when i is it important for you to be there right now? >> let me tell you a little bit of the history of my relationship. in 1963, when my father was vice president, he went to gettysburg on those hallowed grounds where so many fought and died for freedom, and he said, until justice is blind to color, until opportunity is unaware of race, and until education is not impeded by the color of your skin, emancipation will be a proclamation, but not a fact. all of these years later, emancipation is still, alas, not a fact. and i know when my father worked so hard for the 1965 voting
rights act, he went to those worp great civil rights supporters and said, i need you to bring the pressure to the nation's conscience the importance of voting rights. if you do your part, i'll do mine. and with all my pride and all my gratitude. and that is exactly what he did. and so today, i'm 74 years old. can you imagine what it will be like for me to meet my father one day in heaven and say, i didn't do my part? this is the only place i can be, but generations of johnsons are forever on the side of justice. and we shall not sleep until all of us shall overcome bigotry's strangle on our nation. >> ohh! you just spoke to my heart, miss
johnson. what would your father say about the fact that his daughter, 56 years after he signed a voting rights bill into law, is marching along with others in texas to protect the right to >> well, i will not put words in linden johnson's mouth, in his death, as i can assure you i dare not in his lifetime, but i would like to believe that he would feel that i am simply doing the right thing. that's what he always tried to do for all of our people, because as he so eloquently said, when there is bigotry towards some, there's loss for all. and i have 16 beautiful
grandchildren and five wonderful children, and i am very concerned about the state of affairs that we're handing over to them. and so i just have to do my part. >> miss johnson, what would your father say -- and if you don't want to put words in his mouth, what would you say to those texas legislators who seem to be doing their level best to take the right to vote away from fellow texans? >> i would like to say how proud i am of the texas democratic legislators who have gone to dc in an effort to try to see if we can continue, somehow, some way, to reason together. and i would beg, i would beg those legislators who are trying to impede the right to vote to
recognize how important it is to reason together for justice. after all, we'll all lose out if they don't. and back in 1965, my father gave the first pen used to sign the 1965 voting rights act not to a democratic legislator, not to one of the great civil rights people there, but to the minority senate leader. and i said to him after we got into the car together, in my idealistic 18-year-old way, how on earth, daddy, could you have given that to the republican leader rather than one of the great civil rights leaders? and my father simply said, the civil rights leaders were already for this legislation, as
i was. but the everett dirkson hadn't been willing to bring those people with him and support it, those great civil rights leaders and i, we would have had a bill, we would have never had a law. so it takes working together. we need the republican leaders to care about justice. after all, they have children, too, and they're going to give them an unjust and cruel world if they don't try to come together for voting rights, not just for them, but for everybody. i would beg them to waken their conscience and be the courageous people like all the courageous people that are here today. >> lucy banes johnson, i cannot tell you how much of an honor it was to have you on the sunday show. thank you very much for coming on. >> i can't tell you what it meant to me to have the chance to speak out for justice. it was the right thing to do in '65 and it's the right thing
now. we have a wonderful group of people out here putting the pressure on the nation's conscience and giving, i believe, president biden and vice president harris the support they need to make the great civil rights laws of our time, indeed, the law of the land. >> we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much. in the next hour as the eviction freeze expires for millions, congressman corey bush slept outside the capitol to stop the moratorium. as simone biles withdraws from more olympic events, we'll discuss the backlash she's received from some on the right. that and much more coming up on the saturday show. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest.
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thank you, i'm getting you next time though. oh i got you, i got you. hamblin goes down. d'agostino helps hamblin back up. are you okay? -yeah. what i'll do. we haven't been receiving money because we've been putting what we have towards the rent. >> it will put me in panic mode, because at this point i'm stuck in between not knowing what's going to go on with my living situation, as well as still trying to be a mother to my children the best way i can. >> my savings is depleted,
totally depleted and the moratorium is necessary. it's extremely necessary. >> welcome back. i'm jonathan capehart. tiffany cross is off today. this saturday morning more than 7 million americans are in uncharted territory, many facing homelessness, after the house failed last night in the 11th hour to extend the federal eviction moratorium that expires today. speaker pelosi telling reporters yesterday congress just didn't have enough time after the white house said it needed to be handled legislatively. >> really, we only learned of this yesterday, not enough time to socialize it within our caucus, as well as to build the consensus necessary. >> now, president biden is urging state and local governments to quickly disperse more of the nearly $46 billion available in federal emergency rental relief before millions of vulnerable families end up in the street.
joining me now is missouri congresswoman corey bush, who along with other members of the squad, actually slept outside the capitol last night to push for extending the moratorium. congresswoman bush, thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show". >> thank you for having me. >> so theis, why? in sleep on the steps of the capitol over this issue? >> you know, this is where change could have happened, right here, where i am right now. this is where changed could have happened. this is where the people who were elected, people who chose to run for a seat and were actually elected by the people to be here to represent every single person. when we signed up for this job, we signed up to represent every single person in our district, regardless of if you have four walls or not, if you have a business or not, if you have money or not, if you're black,
white, whatever. if you voted for us or not, we signed up to represent you. and that's what we should be doing. it is not okay for us to go home and go on vacation right now while 7 million people's lives are at risk. that's our job. >> you know, one of the things that i don't think people fully appreciate is, for you, this is not a stunt. you have been homeless. what do you think -- what kind of message do you think your fellow members of congress are receiving by, if not seeing you sleep on the steps of the capitol, now finding out that that's what you've done? >> yeah, it's not performative in any way. i don't do performative things as a matter of fact, because i don't have to. i have lived on the street, i've lived in a car with my two babies and my partner.
i've done that. i've been in a position to where there was no amount of blankets that i could put on my body or cover my children with that i felt would keep us warm enough. like when it gets too cold, it is too cold. when it's too hot, it's too hot. there's no amount of wind that's going to help you in those moments. and it's not okay, it's not okay any day, first of all. basic rights, basic humanity. but also right now, we are in the middle of a daily global pandemic. and rising gun violence. i keep hearing the gun violence, covid-19, wear masks, vaccinate. you know what? let's keep people in their homes because that should not be negotiated. people have to have a place to go. what is wrong? what is wrong with people who have a home? what is wrong with those same people doing the work to make sure that the people that live in their districts have a home? >> you know, congresswoman bush,
just as congress went on vacation, nbc news put out a story, the eviction moratorium is about to end, yet federal relief funds largely remain unspent, and nbc analysis of responses from 41 states found that 26 of them had distributed less than 10% of their rental assistance program allocations. your message to those states where the money that could help people stay in their homes is just sitting? >> to every single state, every single locality that has not released those funds, you have people, you chose, again, we're talking about people who chose to lead. you chose to take care of people. you chose to be a servant leader. and if you choose not to do the work, we need you to move out the way, because there are people's lives at stake. and if you don't get that, if you don't understand that, let me help you to understand what that's like. what it's like is that's you coming back saying, all of these
people in my community have pasts, this situation is because people in my community's past. you had a hand in it. move out of the way if you don't want to do the work, because there are those of us that do want to do the work. every single moment that someone is waiting to find out if they're going to be evicted, let me tell you something, when you don't know if today is the day that you get that notice on your door, that you show up and on the door is a big piece of paper that says pay or vacate, you don't know when it's coming, and when you do have that piece of paper, what's going to happen after that? let me tell you. that turns your life upside down. it turns everything upside down. you, your children, your family. if this country has not fixed the housing crisis we have right now, if this country couldn't get it right up until now to be able to make sure that people have adequate housing, if we couldn't do it right right now, even i know the bill of rights
will fix it. we'll put that forward so you can see that. but while we're looking at that, how do we put 7 million more people out on the street? and we're telling states, release the money and then use the money to make sure you people put in place to answer the phones. because people are reaching out for applications and nobody is answering the phone or it's an hour and a half wait. nobody is there to tell them how they need to apply or what that process is like. we need to step up or move out of the way. >> last question to you, congressman bush, since taking to the steps of the capitol, have you heard or talked to speaker pelosi? >> i have not. i have not talked to the speaker, but i have talked to many of my congress members, some will be joining me out here today, and i have talked to chairwoman maxine waters who is in support. i just saw a tweet from my good chairman from the judiciary
committee, chairman nadler in support. so we are out here, we're going to continue to be out here. i'm calling on all the congress members, if you support this, come back out here and be with us today. we need to be brought back to this house to finish this work so that people don't end up on the street while we go vacation. we cannot go vacation while people are at risk. join me. >> congressman corey bush of missouri. thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show." now, let me bring in president of the committee for a responsible budget. mya, thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show." as an economist and someone who follows the economy, how concerned are you that a potential eviction crisis could stymy what appears to be an economic recovery that's going at full steam? >> yeah, so the economic recovery does appear to be strong on so many front, right? we're seeing growth in the economy, we're seeing the fact
that we were successful in getting so much money into the economy during this huge crisis when the economy had to be slammed shut, that in the end a lot of people are actually able to pay off some of their debt, save some money. that's leading to more demand now. the economy is not perfect, there are still many unemployed people, there are many people who can't find jobs or people who still have to be h take care of their kids. in the segment we just saw, there are pockets of crisis, like the fact that the eviction moratorium is -- you know, the situation we're in right here. so we don't know how the economy is going to grow going forward. the big problems are the coronavirus. but when you talk about the eviction situation, we have a human crisis, which is what was just argued there so strongly. the fact that we had policies in place and they weren't working and the money wasn't getting to people and it was allowed to expire when we knew this deadline was happening is unconscionable. we've done such a good job of
trying to save people from problems they didn't create during this pandemic and this is a huge gaping hole that we're getting hit with right now as this deadline hits us. >> mya, one of the incredible things to come out of all of this, meaning washington's response to the pandemic and pushing, moving very quickly to not only save the economy, but to save americans, the poverty reduction, the poverty reduction here, pandemic aid leads to record drop in poverty, and the graph shows from 1970 to 2021 the rises and falls. in 2021 almost a 45% decline in the number of poor americans. is that a blip, or is that something that can be maintained if these policies are not only continued, but added to? >> so alleviating poverty should
and must be one of the goals of this country and we have enough resources that we should be able to succeed at it. we won't be able to do it the way that we did this past year because this past year was one of those moments where it is incumbent on us to save the economy and save families and businesses, to borrow trillions and trillions of dollars. in fact, we borrowed in record amounts and it's exactly the time when we should have borrowed all this money. that said, you can't do that every single year because you would bankrupt the country. you couldn't have a sustainable economy where you were borrowing $3, $4, $5 trillion in a year. what we need is more sustainable policies and i would say we need to look through our entire federal budget and look at the huge problems that have been really revealed through this crisis, many people knew about them before as well, and have been fighting for them, and repurpose our budget. there's so much we spend that go to places that aren't the most important priorities, but poverty a alleviation,
particularly with children, and that's one of the areas we've seen so much, too, is something i think we have to double down and recommit to as a nation than that should be a priority in our budget in an ongoing way. >> we had a bunch of economic data come out at the end of the week, i believe yesterday was the consumer price index, showing inflation, and as you see there over the last 12 months, you know, the green arrow is going up showing an increase. how worried should we be about inflation when it comes to the recovery, but also just in general to our general livelihoods? >> so we should be worried about it, certainly, because inflation is this invisible part of the economy that can eat away at your ability to afford things, and so it has a huge human toll that isn't as obvious as a lot of other things. that said, and i am worried about inflation, i'm not overly worried about it yet because a lot of the things that we're seeing may well be transitory. there was a huge pent-up demand
to purchase things and there's a real difficulty in our supply chains in terms of being able to provide and produce all the things people want right now. that's actually a sign of a good economy in some ways and my hope is that we will make it through this and inflation will not be high at a sustained level. if it is, then we have another big problem, but so far the borrowing that we did was correct for the economy, it's now time to pivot and start worrying about how to bring our national debt back down. actually today is the day that the debt ceiling is also hitting and our lawmakers are not doing anything to deal with these important deadlines. so we need sustainable policies. i think this growth and recovery is going to work with the obvious big question about what goes on with the delta variant. but it has definitely surfaced huge priorities. it's time to think how our budget allocates our resources and make sure we do it in a way that is well targeted and fiscally responsible. >> thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show." and now a live look from austin where hundreds are
gathered to rally in the fight to protect voting rights. religious leaders and civil rights activists began a 27-mile trek from georgetown, texas, on wednesday, and arrived at the state capitol in austin just moments ago. organizers are comparing this journey to the voting rights march from selma to montgomery led by dr. martin luther king jr. in 1965. today's rally will reach ur bishop william barber and beto o'rourke. we'll be back with more right after this.
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i say put mental health first because if you don't, then you're not going to enjoy your sport and you're not going to succeed as much as you want to. so it's okay sometimes to even sit out the big competitions to focus on yourself because it shows how strong of a competitor and person that you really are. >> overnight olympic gymnast simone biles withdrew from the event finals for the vault and the uneven bars and is still evaluating her remaining two individual events. earlier this week, the most decorated gymnast ever opted to sit out the team competitions at the olympics to prioritize her mental health after experiencing the twisties. friday she explained on her instagram that the twisties causes a gymnast to lose track of where they are in the air,
resulting in falls. her decision to step back from some olympic events prompted swift backlash from those in the right wing media, like 27-year-old community college dropout and podcast host charlie cook, who said this. >> we are raising a generation of weak people, like simone biles. again, if you want to be -- if she got all these mental health problems, don't show up. she's an incredible athlete, of course she's an incredible athlete. i just said she's probably the greatest gymnast of all time. she's also very selfish, she's immature and she is a shame to the country. she's totally a sociopath. >> jesus take the wheel. joining me is dr. cyrus, a psychologist based in washington, d.c., brittany cooper, associate professor of women's studies and author of
the fabulous book "el oh went rage" and opinion columnist at the "washington post" and founder of the equally fabulous the race card project. thank you all very much for being here. okay, charlie cook needs to take all the seats. actually, i'm going to go at the end of this row. you start. your response to charlie cook, your response to all of this? charlie kirk, sorry. >> i'm trying to fix my face after hearing him, which i don't think we need to hear again. we don't even need to hear that again. i am proud of what she has done. she has placed her own health and humanity above any kind of expectations to make sure that she is safe and she has used her platform to elevate our understanding of mental health and to educate people about
twisties and the importance of mental health. i don't like when people use the word quitter. she is not a quitter. she won nationals with broken toes in both feet. she won worlds with a kidney stone. she has four moves that are named for her. we can spend a lot of time talking about what she's already done as opposed to what she has missed. this is an important moment that we will be talking about decades from now and i applaud her for her courage. >> brittany cooper? >> i mean, the levels of rage that i feel in anyone daring to -- while not offering empathy, suggest that she is a sociopath, right, the irony of that. simone biles has demonstrated something that i think is part and parcel of the black woman's polite in this country. we live in a country that thinks we are no mind. that is why people feel comfortable driving husband like slaves, asking us to work hard but then resent us for being
leaders or asserting that we have a voice or asserting that something means more than our labor. what she did was to explode the strong black woman stereotype that black women have been fighting against for decades, to say who i am when i'm not on the balance beam, when i'm not on the vault, that matters, too. and i don't owe my country my life or my body at the expense of my own mental health. that is a political movement that has absolutely met its time. it is past time coming, and of course black women would be in the vanguard of saying that a year into a global pandemic, you know, just six months after surviving the trump presidency, hundreds of years after the continual assault on black life, that it is high time for black women to be able to prioritize their mental health. >> and dr. cyrus, more on this point, candace buckner in a
fantastic piece in the "washington post" -- let me just read to you what she wrote. whenever biles pulls on her leotard it's as though she's tightening a cape around her neck. she's the hero tasked with saving a sullied sport, embodies belief in dominance and also carrying a gender and an entire race. that's a heavy cape and it chokes, but it's one that exceptional black women of color are told to wear, because simply being great isn't good enough. >> i completely agree with that, which is why these comments by these critics are so infuriating. why do they get so much attention when our attention should be on the reasons why simone biles and other black women feel like they have to carry the weight of the world and everyone else's dreams on their shoulders, when who is carrying that weight for them? in this case we know the olympic committee and others who were expecting so much out of her
weren't there for her when she needs them and she's a public trauma victim. and she has to succeed for everybody else. what are we going to do? what is our system going to do for black women? i'm so impressed by her and naomi osaka for taking matters into their own hands and standing up for themselves, which is what black women are going to have to start doing if we want to protect our mental health. you can't count on the system and can't count on folks to do what needs to be done when we're too busy talking about critics and their sociopathic comments. >> as i'm listening to this conversation, the olympics are huge and everyone is watching them, but especially children. children are watching and wanting to emulate these incredible athletes, and yet now they have to listen to an incredible athlete be torn to pieces because she's putting herself first.
what message do you have for children, black children in particular, black girls and black boys, about the importance of what simone biles is doing? >> i think she's using her platform to educate people, and let's remember that the sport that she's in is often primarily populated by children. she came back to the olympics at age 24, she said in part, because she wanted to hold usa gymnastics and the u.s. olympic and paralympic committee accountable. and so i think the message is, it is okay to place yourself first. it is good to have goals. but it is important to know your limits and to listen to that voice inside your head and inside your heart that is telling you, don't do something that might be dangerous. that applies to gymnastics, that applies to life and making friends, that applies to people who are on the job. i hope this sends a message to children. i also hope this sends a message
to people who are laboring under the trope of a strong black woman expectation, that you are treated often like weeds instead of flowers, that you can throw anything at them and they can take it because they're strong, which creates an expectation that we're mules in some way, that you can just ride our back. we are not. and i hope that people hear that message, i hope they embrace it. i hope people are talking about this this morning over cheerios at the kitchen table, i hope they're talking about it on the side of soccer fields and i hope that those lessons are not just being uttered, but that they are being absorbed. >> and real quickly, brittany, then dr. cyrus, your last comments? >> i think that simone biles is a hero and i think that we should be listening to black women and girls tell us that all is not well. i resent the notion that it is black womens' job to save america's standing in this world.
that's what this is about, that black women should be redeeming our standing. and isn't it interesting in this moment where we have amazing levels of black women leadership, like kamala harris in the vice presidency, we have white men beside themselves with rage and trying to discredit black women's character. this is just another chapter of this white male backlash. we should call it out and not stand for it. i hope all of those young sisters are taking very good care of themselves. >> doctor, ten seconds, final thoughts. >> i black women to start saying no, you have to take care of your own health because you can't count on other people to do that for you. i'm so proud of the black women who are seeking out mental health care. just know that it's going to be on you because you can't count on the system sometimes. so follow the lead of all of these amazing athletes. >> what a fabulous panel. i'm going to have to have the
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this election and in 2022, the question is american people are going to be asking is whether or not we're helping them and their families. as democrats, we have to show we do understand and we're delivering for them and we're keeping our promises. we just have to keep making the case just as the republican party today offers nothing but fear, lies and broken promises. >> last week president biden traveled far and wide across the potomac river to former governor
terry mcauliffe who is seeking a second term. in many ways it will be a bellweather for the midterms, and because his centrist leanings resemble bidens, it could test the strength of the biden agenda. joining me the terry mcauliffe. great to see you again. thanks for coming to "the saturday show." all right, governor, why was it significant that the president came and stumped for you, and particularly so early in his first term? >> well, i talked to the president election night when he called to congratulate me on the primary, and he said, terry, what do you want? i said, mr. president, you have done so much to help us in virginia, i want you to come as soon as you possibly can. i was very honored to be his first political that he did. we've got a big race here in virginia. the person i'm running against
has been endorsed by donald trump three times. he's actually said that so much of the reason he ran for governor is because of donald trump. so to have president biden here talking about lifting up our economy, we've got $77 million from the president of the american rescue plan to help. so we're a better state today because of joe biden and the work he has done. he and our governor leaning in to make sure we're leading on covid, getting people vaccinated. it was great to have the president here. i can't wait to look forward to working with him when he is president and i'm back as governor. this state is going to take off like a booster rocket. >> all right, governor mcauliffe. from what i understand from my reportingoing to be a pushover. so are you as worried as, say, the white house seems that your race for a second term -- and we should point out that the governor of virginia can only
serve one four-year term at a time. that's why you're running four years after your term as governor. but are you worried that this race for governor is not going to be as easy against a trump acolite? >> elections are never easy. i'm running 20 points down. i really leaned in on health care and so forth. but i remind you, jonathan, here in virginia for 44 straight years, the party that wins the white house, the next year the other party wins the governor's mansion. i'm the only person in history to break that. so there's always a kickback, i'm the only person in 44 years. but, listen, this year is a different election, a different time. but he is going to spend $75 million of his own money, but he
has no plans for virginia. his economic plan will literally defund police, his economic plan literally will take money and destroy our public education system here in the state. his adviser that he's hired on tax policy is steven moore, who was donald trump's adviser. you saw what happened, what trump did to our country. we can't let glenn youngkin do that to our state. there's real big differences. i'm about lifting up record investment and education and building the roads and getting everybody health care. this is not going to be easy. but trump, i assume, will come in at some point. i assume he'll come in at some point. but glenn is spending $75 million of his private equity money but he's not no plans. the "washington post" just wrote an editorial today that is devastating, glenn youngkin as governor with his economic plan will destroy virginia's economy, will run our state into the ditch. and we want to lift people up. so there's a huge difference in
this election. but we need people to come out and vote. don't think this is going to be easy. this is going to take a lot of work. donald trump is using this as sort of a launch pad for himself to get back in the game. he has endorsed glenn youngkin three times already. so this is a big race. so there's going to be a lot of resources coming in from the republicans. but people are excited, i've got joe biden. look at the work he's done with the american rescue plan. look at the work he's doing on a bipartisan infrastructure bill. that's what people like here in virginia. >> real fast, governor mcauliffe, there's an attack ad, youngkin has an attack ad against you. i'm not going to play it. but it's tying you to donald trump and things you've said in the past about support from donald trump and other things. that ad out there in virginia. how do you counter that? you're running against trump and trumpism and a candidate who is the embodiment of trumpism, and
yet he's trying to sell you with your own past dealings with him. >> well, he's using a picture of me. i was chairman of the national governor's association at the annual dinner at the white house, as chairman i give a toast to the president. so if that's locking me in with donald trump, i apologize. i think, jonathan, you know as well as i do, there was nobody tougher on donald trump for four straight years on immigration, on health care, on infrastructure. i went after donald trump every single day. when i was governor during charlottesville when i had 1,000 neo-nazis and white supremacists, i called the president and begged him to come out and condemn folks. he wouldn't do it. that was his worst moment. he was a disaster as president and i called him out for four years. but if i'm at the white house giving a traditional host, if that's going to connect us, so be it. that's how pathetic his campaign is. nobody was tougher on donald than i was for four straight
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with wallace's daughter and now they're teaching a new generation. joining me now are congresswoman barbara lee of california and peggy wallace kennedy, author of "the broken road, george wallace and a daughter's journey to reconciliation". thank you both very much for being here. i've been dying to get this story out on a larger platform. congresswoman lee, i will start with you, because you were that staffer who was really mad at shirley chisholm for stopping the campaign and going to visit wallace. why were you mad? >> thank you. behind this mask i'm really smiling because i'm so glad to be here with my friend and sister peggy. let me just tell you, that was the first time i had registered to vote because i didn't think that the two-party system had anything relevant for myself as a young african-american woman on public assistance, single, trying to raise two small boys and make a life for themselves. but shirly chisholm convinced me
to get involved in her campaign. low and behold, she actually went to visit a segregationist, a racist, someone i despised, that was george wallace. and she really upset me because she did that and i was about ready to stop working on her campaign, because here i was young, naive, but committed to the work of justice. so she took me to task. she took me to task and she told me, come on, barbara, we're human beings. she said, who knows, i may be able to influence him, i may be able to talk to him. it doesn't mean that i hate him. i don't like him. i said, well i hate him. she taught me a lesson in terms of reconciliation. little did i know that peggy was in the hospital with her father when shirley chisholm was there and dialogue ensued. >> in fact, peggy, you were in the room when shirley chisholm
came to visit your father, and in the conversation you and i had on the pilgrimage in 2019 or 2018, the faith and politics civil rights pilgrimage, you think the seed was planted in your father's own long journey to redemption from his segregationist years. >> yes, i do believe that that visit from congresswoman shirley chisholm, she -- her visit, she came and prayed with my father and talked with him and he asked her, he said, what do you think your people will say about this? and she said, i don't care what they say. i wouldn't want this to happen to anyone else.
and so i think that her visit and her friendship planted a seed in my father's heart and that began his healing, and i think that it was a wonderful moment. >> and, in fact, on one of the pilgrimages you told the incredible story as we were there on dexter avenue baptist church in montgomery, dr. king's old church, that your father came to that church unannounced on a sunday and asked for forgiveness from the congregation, and as he left they sang "amazing grace". in the little bit of time that we have left, you and peggy wallace kennedy are there together in montgomery, alabama, why? >> well, we're here together because peggy has been so
unbelievable in terms of mentoring young people from the martin luther king jr. center in california. they're here this week and they've had an opportunity to visit and be with john lewis, i think 12 times they have visited alabama on the pilgrimage. and so peggy in her life, you know, dr. king said that nonviolence is a way of life. well peggy has dedicated herself to a life of defeating injustice, which is one of those principles of nonviolence. so she's working with young people all over, and especially in my district here in alabama, to help them become the leaders that they already are, really, in terms of working to dismantle racism and fighting for justice. so i'm very proud of them and peggy continues to be in touch with them and help them understand and see that the future is theirs. >> and, peggy, real quickly, how
much fun is it to be with these young people and impart to them the lessons of the past to help them with the future? >> well, it is a wonderful experience to be with those young people, and mark and i had them in our home on thursday night and it was just a blessing to us to have them in our home. and they are our future and i told barbara that they are intelligent and they are so wonderful and caring and kind, and they are our future. and it was just a joy for mark and i to be able to host them and be able to break bread with them. they were wonderful. >> well, peggy wallace kennedy, please tell judge kennedy i said hello, and congresswoman barbara lee, thank you very much for coming to the show.
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and it's blacker than ever. broadway reopens this fall after covid dimd its bright lights with new rules that theatregoers be vaccinated and wear masks in order to attend. the best part is that seven of the new works making their big debut are penned and performed by black artists. joining me is reuben santiago hudson, author, star and director of lakaw ana blues and director of skeleton crew, both of which debut on broadway this coming season. mr. santiago-hudson, thank you very much for coming to the show. how thrilled are you by this, by your participation in this historic moment for broadway? >> first of all, thank you for having me. you know, i am extremely excited about the idea of theatre reopening, and even more so by the impact that african-american artists will have this season on
broadway. to see us all come out and shine, it's very exciting. >> okay, in the little bit of time we have left, tell us about lakaw ana blues, you're the author, star and director of this at the manhattan theatre club. what is it about? >> it's about love, hope and joy and communities taking care of each other, graciousness, generosity. i was raised in a great little town in western new york called lackaw ana. there was a lot of taking care of the children and taking care of each other. this is about spreading joy, hope and love to everybody and i think at this time we need that blessing. they spread love all over the community and i want to share some of that in new york city and all over the world. >> and you are the director of skeleton crew at the manhattan theatre club. what is that about?
>> skeleton crew is about workers, auto workers in detroit trying to hold their community together when everything seems to try to tear it apart and the pride and integrity of those workers when everybody, particularly in detroit held the line, this shows the salt of the earth american people. two beautiful plays at the manhattan theatre club. >> given where we are as a nation right now, how are you as an artist feeling about the arts, about america's embracing of the arts in this terrible time of the pandemic? >> well, i'm excited that they're finally listening to us, people of color. but i do have some trepidation because i want this moment to not be a moment, but to be a continuum of success in the african-american community. we don't want this to be a flash in the pan and, look, we tried kind of situation. we want to get out and show the world the integrity t beauty,
the disdain and joy and anger and laughter of african-american people all over this nation and we have to acknowledge also the native american land that we're on. i'm doing an interview with you from their land. so we don't acknowledge that. so for us to come out on broadway and show the glory of who we are, it's a great moment. but i want it to last. i don't want it to be just a moment. >> as bishop barber, would say not just a moment, a movement. it previews at the samuel freed man theatre in new york. tickets go on sale tuesday, august 10th. broadway is back. that is not our show for today. is it our show for today? that is our show for today. tiffany will be back next week and be sure to join me tomorrow for "the sunday show" when my guests will include rob reiner, who is speaking out about voting
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thank you for watching "the saturday show." tiffany cross will be back next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. stay tuned, because my friend alex whit has the latest. good to see you. >> so i am still your friend. you were trying to get away without saying hello to me on tv. i'm like, dude -- >> no, no, no, i was so confused. wait, i don't get to talk to alex?
>> i don't know what it is, the structure or whatever it is. anyway, i love watching you on sunday, so that's officially when i'm saying. thank you for leading into the show sunday and thank you for filling in for tiffany and sending love to you in dc and i'm glad we're still friends. >> i'm feeling it. yes, we are. >> talk to you later. have a good one. and good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is just about high noon in the east. welcome, everyone, to alex whit reports. we're beginning with the coronavirus pandemic. today cases, hospitalizations, deaths, they are up in almost every state. the number of new cases is up more than 64% this week, according to the cdc. the new daily case average this week has surged to 66,000, compared to 40,000 a week ago. and new data from the cdc reveals concerns over breakthrough cases that prompted
it to reverse mask guidance for the vaccinated americans this week. the study behind the change shows three-fourths of people infected in a massachusetts outbreak were indeed vaccinated. the cdc says this suggests it is possible vaccinated people can still spread the virus. nationwide at least 125,000 fully vaccinated americans have tested positive for the virus, and according to data collected by nbc news, those cases are spread across 38 states and represent less than 0.8% of fully vaccinated persons. again, 0.8%. that's important to note. also new today, the fda is vowing an all-hands-on-deck effort to get pfizer's covid vaccine through the full approval process. it is an effort to combat vaccine hesitancy that remains. no word yet on how soon the full approval could come. for more on all these developments, we have two nbc news