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where i feel the redemption comes in. i did something good for the things i did wrong. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, alarming new warnings about the delta variant as the cdc says vaccinated people can spread the virus, and it could be as contagious as chicken pox, president biden now signaling more restrictions could be coming. >> can americans expect more restrictions because of covid? >> in all probability. >> well, despite those concerns, massive crowds packing a chicago park for the lollapalooza music
festival with little to no social distancing, unless you consider a mosh pit social distancing. experts warn it could be a recipe for disaster. >> there are claims president trump pressured the justice department to declare the election corrupt. plus maskless and unvaccinated, the american swimmer making waves for refusing to wear a face cover while speaking with reporters at the olympics, this as tokyo cases rise in tokyo and athletes fear a domino effect after a u.s. pole vaulter tests positive. good morning, everybody. it's saturday, july 31st. i'm lindsey reiser. >> i know we say this a lot. it's a busy morning. thank you for being with us. i'm kendis gibson. it's a beautiful sunset after
7:00 p.m. we're one week in. >> it's like a bombshell new headline. some of it is positive like simone biles taking health time, but some not so good. >> we're going to have the latest on the numbers in japan. we have a new team of reporters all over the place, but we're going to begin with the startling new developments on covid-19 here in the u.s. the u.s. recording some of the highest numbers of new cases since january. the delta variant largely to blame. the cdc warning the vaccinated people can carry the virus as much as those who didn't get the shot. >> none of this information is what we want to hear. and the war against the pandemic has changed. nbc's miguel almaguer kicks off our coverage with this report. >> reporter: as americans face infection and hospitalization at a staggering rate, new findings from the cdc say the kwar has changed in the battle against covid.
new data likes the delta variant to the chicken pox as the virus leaps person to person. it's more contagious than the common cold. likely triggering more severe disease than previously known, the delta strain is also infecting the vaccinated at higher rates as they carry similar viral loads in their nose and throat as the unvaccinated. and while they, too, may easily spread the virus, the inoculated are rarely hospitalized. >> the message is not that the vaccines aren't working. the message is not enough people are getting them. the efficacy of the vaccine that isn't given is exactly zero percent. >> despite the spike in cases, it's important to remember we're nowhere near last winter's surge in cases or the death count. still, the concerning findings are why the cdc called for the vaccinated to also wear masks indoors in high-risk communities earlier this week, but
scientists recommended the cdc go first, saying universal masking is essential. >> the delta variant has been a game-changer. i think no one expected that it would have as contagious an index as high as this. no one would expect that this virus would be as contagious than chicken pox or more contagious than smallpox. >> reporter: as disney and walmart add vaccination requirements for some employees, the cdc is still struggling to convince some americans to wear a mask, much less get vaccinated, this as more are falling seriously ill every day. brodie baker can only see his father daryl through glass. on a breathing tube, he nearly lost his life because he didn't want to get vaccinated. a family nearly torn apart when hope is just a shot away. >> oh, man, that last image, very heartbreaking there.
that was msnbc's miguel almaguer. >> i'm trying to convince more machinerying to get the shot. how is he doing it? with more rules and incentives. >> lauren egan joins us. good morning to you. has he given specifics on what he plans to do? >> reporter: good morning, guys. the president has made his most aggressive push yet to get people vaccinated, the most notable being that vaccine requirement he announced for federal ploys. the white house hopes other states and local governments will adopt some sort of similar policy as well as private businesses. now, as who what the president can do to encourage states and governments as well as private companies to follow suit, that's unclear. take a listen to what he said yesterday as he was leaving the white house for camp david. >> can americans expect more by coming out with more statistics because of covid?
>> in all probability. by the way, we had a good day yesterday. almost a million people got vaccinated, about half a million for the first time and for the second shot and so i'm hopeful that people are beginning to realize how essential it is. >> reporter: so as you can see the president says there are probably going to be more guidelines to come, but he's not really showing his hand. we'll have to wait and see what those are. one thing we should not expect to hear from this white house is some sort of national mandate or national requirement for the vaccine. the white house has been emphatic that this is something they're opposed to. they don't think that the president, frankly, even has the legal authority to require it. now, cdc rachel walensky last night had to kind of walk back some comments she made on fox news. she implied that the white house was considering some sort of nationwide mandate, and she had to tweet last night that that was not, in fact, the case. of course, this is just kind of the latest mixed messaging we've
heard from the cdc on this. now, you guys, we're definitely going to be keeping an eye on the vaccine numbers as the data pours in, and i'm sure the white house is also going to be keeping a very close eye on what those numbers look like. >> yeah. there have been some positive signs when it comes to the vaccine numbers, at least as of last week with the number of people getting initial shot increasing over the june numbers that we had. lauren egan joining us from the white house. thank you. joining us is dr. kalin kelly and also an emergency room physician in denver, colorado. welcome to both of you. dr. kelly, i want to start with you. a new cdc study, originally it was thought that vaccinated people who got infected carried low levels of the virus and were less likely to pass it onto
others. obviously now that's not the case with the delta variant based on the data we're getting do. you get the sense this virus is outsmarting the vaccine? >> no, it's absolutely not outsmarting the vaccine in that people who are vaccinate ready still incredibly less likely to become infected than those who are unvaccinated. so we think that less than 1% of those vaccinated actually experience a breakthrough infection. what this new information tells us is those vaccinated who do become infected, do still carry the virus in their nasal passages and airways likely, and it is at high levels. so while you're incredibly less likely to become infected while vaccinated, if you do become infected, you may still infect other people. that was the new information. a couple of months ago science told us people who were vaccinated did not carry the
virus in their nose and airways when they were infected. now we have evidence that contradicts that. that's why the guidance has changed. >> let's talk about that. we're hearing people are less likely to go to the hospital or die if they're vaccinated. 125,000 breakthrough cases in 38 states reporting that data. like dr. kelly said, less than a full percent of those fully vaccinat vaccinated. i was in arizona this past week. what are you seeing? >> it's the same here in colorado. it's the same idea. those coming in are going to be unvaccinated, really ill, having to be put on a ventilator, and
are eventually going to die. >> dr. sasson, you've been on the front lines not just in denver, but all across the country. given that, give us a gut check where we are right now in this pandemic. >> i think we're at a pivotal time where we have an opportunity to stem the tide. i read an op-ed a few days ago where we have to start thinking, look, we're on a pandemic plane ride. the tur lance is here and we have to put our seatbelts on for a while. that's what the dale ta variant is. we don't know what's coming yet. look. the data is changing. the science is coming out. our heads are all spinning as well too. again, if we're going to make
sure what happen this winter doesn't happen again this fall especially when our schools are opening. we've got do something right now, and that's where we can make the biggest impact. >> you know, doctor, i love that reality. let's not get to the point where everybody needs to put on our oxygen mask. dr. kelly, when we talk about the change in science, one of the big unknowns out there is still the booster shot. is israel the first company to say, we need a third dose, the pfizer vaccine if you're over 60 years old? there is a think tank piece on the screen right now. right now, booster shots are being overhyped by these drug companies, and we need to, instead, focus on getting unvaccinated to go in. where do you stand on that? >> i still think we don't know the right answer of who needs booster shots, when we need to deliver them. i'm not going to be surprised if in a few months we do have
recommendations for booster shots, particularly in people most vulnerable to co-ed by morbidity, meaning folks who are older, who have underlying conditions. we're learning more and more about the immunity and how long it lasts. just like we learn new information about masks and people who have been vaccinated, we're also going to learn more and more how long the immunity lasts and who needs booster shots. so at this point in time, we don't have any recommendations across the country for booster shots. i won't be surprised if it comes, but we should wait a little longer, be more patient and wait for the science to tell us when we need the booster shots and who needs them. it's likely not even will need them and slish not right away. >> i'm curious. based on what the science is telling us right now, besides schooling and putting our kids back in school, there are other americans facing more first
world problems, booking a trip, or you have lollapalooza this weekend. first with you, dr. kelly, would you vie people to go or your kids, for that matter, go to a concert like lollapalooza, given where we are right now? >> well, some of my kids are not yet vaccinated, so definitely not for them. i do think at this point in time, i have been telling my friends and family, while we're in this delta surge, to be a little bit more careful even if you're vaccinated to avoid those crowds and put masks on in crowded indoor settings where people are vaccinated and unvaccinated, mixing. i think we are in a surge right now. it will eventually come down, hopefully before too many americans lose their lives, but i think we have to wait a little longer. >> dr. sasson, i have one personal selfish question for you along that message. let's say a concert or show
where you're going to be inside with a bunch of people, broadway, for example, you're going to have to wear a mask. say there's a venue that doesn't require it but requires vaccination. if you're going to be in an area where people are vaccinated, should you still mask up inside? >> i think we haven't talked a lot about ventilation. i'm still going to wear a mask indoors because i don't know what this ventilation is like with the indoor space. until we know more about air flow and places where we're indoors, i'm going to wear a mask, and i'm definitely going to make my 4-year-old and 6-year-old wear a masks as well. >> dr. kelly and dr. sasson, thank you for separating fact from fiction in these times. thank you so much. the latest alleged incident of the former president's pressure campaign possibly the most brazen yet. we're going to get into that
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donald trump's big lie is putting him in possible legal jep dirk and lawmakers say they now may have crucial evidence. according to documents obtained by the house oversight committee, the former president allegedly put pressure on the doj and overturned the 2020 election results. the notes say that the former president directed both he and former acting a.j. jeffrey rosen
to, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and r. congressmen, r meaning republican. rosen pushed back says he was getting false information and the justice department can't and won't change the election. a spokesperson for trump has yet to respond after a request for comment. joining us now, former watergate attorney and senior politics reporter. good morning. it hasn't been a great week for trump. we had the january 6th hearing that kicked off, the election lost, his own party is ignoring how he feels about the infrastructure bill, and now we have the huge news. what could be the political fallout from this? >> yeah, absolutely. this is uncharted territory regarding some of trump's tax returns in the house. this is really uncharted
territory for the congressional investigators who still want to hold him accountable, and the political fallout could be something massive. this is something unprecedent. overall we could see trump staff there. of course, you have his election losses going on. it's a huge deal with these revelations about the doj and the tax returns. >> grace, we'll circle back in a little time. meanwhile daniel goldman said this case could be used in a case against trump. let's listen. >> it's not that it's not potentially criminal. i just think we should look at these notes and recordings as pieces of a puzzle. that type of thing can be very helpful for prosecutors to piece together a case. >> one of my biggest questions
here if we talk about the political fallout, what are the potential things? what are the legal implications? >> i think the legal implications are enormous because what you can really do is go to various people around the president during that time period leading up to the insurrection on january 6th and basically get people's testimony. there is no longer executive privilege that applies to this. the department of justice has waived that privilege. it's not like a fifth amendment that an individual can take. this is a privilege that belongs to the government. based on that, the government will now go out and take testimony from all of these people around trump during that period of time starting after the election and find out exactly what this entire plot was about and put together all of the pieces of evidence that
show donald trump's rough attempt to try and take back the election and try to stay in presidency. i say this is absolutely devastating for trump. it's going to mean that everybody who had any contact with donald trump during that period of time is going to have to testify. the only privilege they have left is the self-incrimination under the fifth amendment that if they were to answer questions truthfully, those questions would tend to incriminate them. so basically this gives the congressional investigators and the department of justice investigators carte blanche to really put together all of the facts leading up to january 6th and beyond. >> so, nick, because we need to get to the infrastructure here, the irs has to turn over tax returns to congress. a spokesperson for trump hasn't responded, but what would be the
legitimate reason for congress to get action stoes the tax records? >> basically they've given three reasons. one, they have a legitimate oversight, legislative oversight to make sure that the president's tax returns are audited on a regular basis. second, they have a legitimate legislative reason to ensure that there is no conflicts of interest that the president has. and, third, that there are no foreign entanglements in terms of any foreign interest that he might have in his finances. those are all legitimate interests that congress has put forth. there is nothing unprecedent about it. this law that permits them to get these returns has been around for 100 years since the tea spot dome scandal. >> okay. >> and the same thing happened with richard nixon. they got the returns under the same statute and did the same thing. >> okay. >> there's nothing unprecedent about this.
>> and, grace, i don't think normally you're there on a saturday. what's going on today? >> yes. the sun is rising on capitol hill and the senate is set to resume the bipartisanship of the infrastructure bill. we don't have the agreement yet. hopefully it will come this morning or this afternoon and then leader schumer or mcconnell can move forward on the agreement and move forward with consideration of the bill, which they're trying to get passed and finished by next week. >> busy weekend. nick ackerman and grace panetta, thanks for joining us. some are comparing the unfolding in texas, comparing it to the march on selma. soon they'll rally because their vote depends on it. we're live in austin, and on a special edition of the saturday show on saturday with jonathan capehart, the people organizing that voting rights rally.
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all right. later this morning, a four-day march will end in texas. >> they've been busy. there's a rally planned with thousands expected to be there. a group of civil rights activists organized this march. it's 30 miles, and it's all to protest gop-backed voting restrictions. >> we have the latest on this. gary, i was looking at the list of people who are taking part and took note that willy nelson will be doing a concert once everybody finally gets there austin. >> reporter: hey, there, that's right, kendis. we've seen these happen across the country, places like
florida, places like georgia. here this morning it's in austin, texas. this morning we're going to see thousands of people show up. we're going to hear from beto o'rourke and bishop william barber and country legend willie nelson lending his voice to the cause. it feels like momentum is shifting in their direction. they feel like they have a leg up, when democrats come back, things will be different. our hill team is reporting that it's going to be a little bit of a scaled down approach if they have legislation come out of all of this. it's going to be focused voting access, same-day voting and voting registration. as you mentioned, guys, it's been hot out here, hot for the past 19 days. there are immediate
availabilities happening every day. here's what one protester had to say about how it's too important to stay home. >> they're growing up in a state where it's already difficult to vote for too many of us. they understand the importance of, you know, making sure that we work to protect the vote, making sure that we work to stand up for all of us, not just some of us, making sure that they understand the importance of we as people have agency, we can push for change, we can work with our lawmakers, we have that power, we are not voiceless. >> now, that change is all based on timing. the session ends a week from torg. governor greg abbott will keep calling session until his priorities are completed, but members in washington, congress is on recess starting this weekend for the whole month. speaker pelosi will call back members when there's legislation to get a vote on.
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we're back now with some of the other headlines that we're following this saturday morning. the justice department says the same russian hackers behind the massive solar winds hacking campaign broke into emails accounts of some of the most prominent federal prosecutors in this country. those email accounts could include sensitive information like strategy, discussions, and names of confidential informants. wilefires continue to scorch the west. the dixie fire, california's largest so far this year, flaring up inside a perimeter firefighters built. there are seven states in the west who are experiencing these fires. they praise these firefighters who are working so hard to keep everything under control. >> it takes incredible bravery to do it, and these heroes
deserve to be paid and paid well for their work. >> climate change has led to hotter temperatures and dryer landscapes, so these fires are burning earlier and more intensely than ever before. plenty of well wishes pouring in for bob odenkirk. he had a small heart attack when he collapsed on the set of "better call salmonella," the sequel to "breaking bad," the 58-year-old tweeting a thank-you to his family and friends for the outpouring of love. odenkirk says he'll be back soon to finish up the show's sixth and final season. arguably, a gymnast making headlines, simone biles withdrawing from the vault finals and she took to instagram with something i'm very concerned of. it's known as the twisties. >> meantime the covid is looming
large. the daily tally is going over 4,000 for first time ever. nbc 5 dallas's laura harris is joining us. so good to see you. a lot of headlines coming out of there. i know the headlines overnight, the trend lines are not good when it comes to the cases there? tokyo. >> reporter: yeah, they're not good, and they're dealing with the exact same thing here that you all are dealing with in the united states. i'll get to that in a moment. let's talk about simone biles. as you just said, she's going to be out of two events for next week. we're not sure what's going to happen with the other two events. the twisties, let's talk more about that. she went on instagram and talked with her fans about exactly what that means. she explains it's a point where your mind kind of disconnects from your body. you can imagine, they're trying to throw these really difficult tricks in the air, and if you can't have both of those things working together, it's a really
dangerous combination. she's dealing with that right now. until all of that subsides, she double know when she's going to get back to gymnastics. what we do know is mykayla skinner is going to be taking over for her next week. and she put out o statement saying, you know what? we appreciate for what simone biles is doing for her own mental health. they support her and appreciate her courage. on to the pool now. let's talk about caeleb dressel. you know, when you're really, really good, you have to beat yourself, right? that's exactly what he did today in the pool. we're talking about beating a world record that he actually set in the 100-meter fly. how about that? and then on top of it all, he actually did three events in a little more than an hour. he now has three gold medals here. two of them are individual medals. going back to covid and what's happening here in tokyo. we know that 4,000 new cases
were posted today. on those 4,000 cases, 155 of them are people who are associated with the olympic games right now. we know zero of those people, none of them are actually athletes. we also know that just about 25% of the people who live here in japan are fully vaccinated at this time, and knowing what the delta variant can do and how quickly that's spreading, doctors say all of that is very concerning. so with a little more than a week left here in tokyo at the olympic games, you can imagine people are trying to be safe, trying to be cautious, and the government here is urging people to stay away from any venues, stay away from any bars, anything like that, make sure they stay at home and enjoy the olympics safely. >> a national emergency, it's expanding there? tokyo and japan. laura harris joining us from tokyo. thank you. we have much more on the summer olympic games. joining me is a "washington post" sports writer.
emily, as we've been reporting -- you heard it there from laura harris from dallas -- simone biles won't compete in tomorrow's vault and even bars finals. it's yet to be determined if she'll be able to compete in the beam and floor finals. how could this play out at this point? >> reporter: yeah. i think we really don't know at this time. she posted a video of herself on instagram briefly the other day attempting the bar dismount, and you could see her in the air not knowing where she was. that's one of a gymnast's most powerful assets, to know where your body is when you're in the air flipping. the floor finals are days awaying and we don't know whether we're going to be able to see her again in tokyo. >> you're in tokyo. you've been following the u.s. gymnastics team throughout the game so fafrm give us a sense of whether or not -- do you have any sense of whether it has been demoralizing for the team or what sort of mood are you
getting a sense of? >> you know, i think they're a little bit startered when your best gymnast on the team sit out of the competition. that's something you weren't expecting. i think it's got to rattle anyone, but i think what's made such a big difference is simon has not just gone away. she was at the arena cheering for the gymnast in the all around final. she stayed out on the floor during the team final and was there kind of calming them down. they said they were in tears and stressed after she told them that she was going to withdraw from the competition, and she kind of told them like, no, hey, you guys can do this, you can go win a medal without me. it isn't just about me. i think simone has played a big role in making sure they weren't too affected by this. michael andrew made headlines this week when he spoke unmasked before the reporters. has this kind of behavior been
common in the village? >> reporter: you know, we're only at the venues, so we can see what the athletes are doing there. i know at gymnastics, they've been pretty good about wearing masks all the time, even in the zone when they're talking to reporters. and there are a lot of protocols in place. they're still not right up with the reporters. they're about 6 feet away. according to the tokyo rules, athletes are not required to wear a mask in the mix zone if they're 6 feet away from reporters. most gymnasts are masked, but if they're unspoken, she might be instructed to take it off and speak louder. some have done it. it's not totally unheard of. i think the situation with swimming and michael andrew, it's much more high-profile because he's come out and said he's not vaccinated, and 17% of all u.s. athletes here are not vaccinated and that's how it kind of stays in the headline.
>> it's kind of interesting when you think about the summer games. they're really the first ones, i think, since the me too movement, and you're seeing athletes speaking out to everything from sexual assault, skimpy outfit, and equal pay. you get the sense that this is a turning point for female athletes there. do you think it will effectuate any change? >> reporter: i do. the platform is so large. when you think of gymnasts and swimmers, this is the biggest stage they'll be on in four years and a lot of them will use this to their advantage. like simone biles, after she pulled out, she came to the mix zone, spoke to the conference and spoke on the importance of mental health, and that's superpowerful for her to do that on such a big stage. you see athletes becoming more and more comfortable with speaking out. i don't know if simone biles would be able to do that five years ago in rio. i think they're starting to find
their voices. the german gymnasts have come out in full body leotards and they want to come out and be comfortable with what they're wearing. we're seeing that with all women. >> yeah. back to the mental health aspect, so many people forget sports overall is as much physical as it is mental, no matter what the sport is. emily, thank you so much. appreciate your time. coming up, superspreader scenes. massive crowds from the lollapalooza festival going viral overnight. organizers are now making a u-turn on their mask requirements. is it go ing to be too late? and today ali velshi will be speaking on voter rights with julian castro and he speaks on the latest on infrastructure. it's all at 8:00 a.m. eastern. ie
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you can't blame people, they're itching to get out, get back to normal here, see friends, see a concert. take law la palooza, doctors fear it will bring spikes across the country. take a look at these images. >> the four-day event which city officials are billing as the largest music festival in the world this year has seen massive crowds so far with virtually no social distancing, masks? what is that? with two days left festival officials are updating mask guidelines for attendees. jay gray is joining us live from chicago from lollapalooza. the mayor of chicago has gotten heat for approving all of this but she said the proper guidelines are there in place for this.
>> reporter: they feel like they have the.proer guidelines in place here and they are shifting as you talk about as the rate of infection grows not only here but across the country, starting tonight for the next two nights as we wrap up this festival you'll have to wear a mask whether you're vaccinated or not inside the enclosed areas here at grant park. you can see it's got the fences up and it's a little early this morning. the sun just coming up but we'll see concert goers showing up later in the day for the all day and most of the night festival here, hundreds of thousands expected over the four-day period. here's the rules. you've got to have a hard copy of your vaccine. you've got to show them that you're vaccinated or you've got to be able to prove that you tested negative for the virus in the last 72 hours. if you don't have the vaccine but have a negative test you've got to have a face mask. as you talked about, though, hard to find a face mask in the crowds here, and there is no social distancing. which has a lot of people very concerned about what happens after the music stops.
>> really hard to determine what would make it a superspreader event but it's very possible there will be people with covid who unknown to them have covid and it's very possible that they're going to spread it to others, especially given the delta virus. so that's why i think that people really need to take precautions. >> reporter: yeah, and look, the rate of infection just here in the chicago area alone is up four times what it was just a month ago, and continuing to climb here. obviously the big concern is not only in this area, but as you talked about earlier, lindsay, people coming in from out of town then taking something back to their town. it will be interesting to cena couple of weeks how this plays out. >> yeah, and i know, jay, a lot of people will be saying it's an outdoor concert, shouldn't have any sort of spreading that will take place. you had a big festival in amsterdam a few weeks ago where only 20,000 people were there
but a thousand people came away from that concert testing positive for covid. so hopefully these rules do work there in chicago, but we'll have to see. jay gray joining us from chicago with the latest on lollapalooza. last week was a deadly weekend for chicago, 70 shootings, 12 people killed and also at that concert tomorrow night the headliner, a rapper by the name of da baby who if you didn't know about him earlier in the week you know now that he has some homophobic tendencies and he'll be headlining that concert tomorrow. we'll see if he actually apologizes. >> maybe he addresses it. up next, dreaming of a covid free christmas, why some americans are celebrating now, in july. coming up in in our next hour, mask mandates in schools or the lack thereof, prompting a major battle between governors and teachers, why parents are now calling for maskless students to be taught
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pandemic kept family and friends apart during the holidays. for others it's a jumper on this year's holiday shopping. >> here's erin mclaugh lan. >> reporter: it's known as the most wonderful time of year, and to think it was happening now. despite sizzling temperatures across the country americans pulled out their santa hats and ugly sweaters to celebrate christmas in july. >> why don't you come to aspen over the holidays? >> the hallmark channels replayed classics. shopping channel kwoouf ran specials all month as retailers braced for the possibility of yet another tough holiday shopping season ahead. >> there's a real fear the shortages will be with us through the holidays and the new year. so if there are things we know people want to buy, like those holiday toys and other gifts, they're jumps on the opportunity now. >> reporter: this year we found christmas in the most unexpected places, like this bar in downtown l.a. >> a lot of us didn't get to spend christmas the way we would have liked to this past year, so
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