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edition of the sunday show. i will be joined by beto o'rourke and bishop william barber to discuss their walk from georgetown, to austin. so you can watch us on msnbc. the 11th hour with brian williams starts right now. starts right now. good evening once again, i'm chris johnston in for brian williams, day 192 of the biden administration. and this urgent and critical phase of the pandemic, the white house has stepped up its response to the surge, doubling efforts to get more vaccinated. and also recommending masks, even for those who are gotten their shots. tonight there is a new indication the white house could be weighing even tougher tactics to stop the spread. >> should americans expect more guidelines coming out, more restrictions because of covid? >> in all probability. we had a good day yesterday,
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almost 1 million people got vaccinated. about half 1 million of those people for the first time. we're >> also learning that an explosive delta variant outbreak in province town, massachusetts push the cdc to change mask recommendations for people who have be three quartes of those infected in that outbreak were fully vaccinated. but thankfully, fuel required hospitalization. the data also suggested vaccinated people could spread the virus. >> the data that we saw in massachusetts work or operated in numerous other places and that's why we knew we had to take action. >> meanwhile more businesses are announcing mandates. broadway's theater and operators says audiences must be vaccinated and wearing masks to attend performances when they resume in the fall. vaccines will be mandatory for walmart employees and its headquarters. and disney says all salaried and employees will be required to receive a covid-19 vaccine.
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meanwhile, florida's governor is pushing back on mandates for masks in schools. he has signed an executive order that effectively banned schools districts from enacting mask requirements. and there's also major news tonight about donald trump's efforts to subvert the 2020 election. the new york times was the first to report that trump pressured justice department officials late last year to declare the election was corrupt, even though they had found no evidence of why it of widespread fraud. the week article reports that -- jeffrey rosen and his deputy, richard donahue. john hughes handwritten notes from that conversation have been released by the house oversight committee. one notes summarizes trump saying, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. trump didn't lawyer name the lawmakers, but at other points during the call, the times reports, he did mention
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republican congressman jim jordan, scott perry of pennsylvania, and senator ron johnson, of wisconsin. the times also reports congressman jordan and senator johnson deny any role in trump's efforts to pressure the justice department. congressman perry did not respond to requests for comment. earlier today, one member of the oversight committee was blocked about the implications of these new revelations. >> i frankly think this is a criminal conspiracy. i believe that the contemporary news notes that were released today by deputy attorney general at the time donahue, clearly reveal, out of donald trump's own mouth, and the illegal attempt to subvert the election results of a free and fair election. >> also tonight, donald trump will deal a major legal blow in the justice department said issuing that they should get to the previous presidents tax returns.
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we've also been watching the effort to extend the federal advection moratorium that expires tomorrow. a last-ditch effort to extend the ban has failed in the house, and lawmakers will be on recess for the next several weeks. the measure had prevented the removal of renters during a pandemic. with that, let's bring in our lead off guests tonight on this friday night eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of political playbook, we barb mcquade have prosecutor and. she worked with the doj during the biden transition is a professor at the university of michigan's law school. she is also cohost of a path cast, sisters in law, along with joyce fans, joan wine-banks, and kimberly atkins store. and doctor kavita patel, senior policy aging the obama demonstration. she is one of our public health experts and a resident fellow at brookings. good to see all of you. doctor kavita patel, what is
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your view from the threat of the delta right now and what do we need to be watching for in the next couple of months? >> yes chris, exactly what i think was the top of everyone's phone inbox and messages today, we have to separate delta, which is totally changed the game for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. we know that it has implications, just to be clear, we still have an incredible vaccine that we need to get to half the country that statistic you cited that the president said with optimism, i hope it continues -- >> defended encouraging? >> i do. and we i've broken done where vaccinations have increased, and they're actually increasing in missouri, arkansas, nevada, where we had some of the steepest slope increase in cases. i wish i could say the same about florida, it's a large state, but florida is getting more cases per day than they have had in any previous surge
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prior, and including, the beginning of the winter when we don't have vaccines. so here is how i would approach the delta for anyone kind of watching and what's wondering what to do, you really should -- the reason why we're wearing a mask is really because of that data from province town and other communities where we can transmit this much more easily than we thought if we were vaccinated to other people. and wet with half the country unvaccinated, we don't know who's unvaccinated, and that's why we're all talking about wearing masks. i think the most responsible thing to do is to remember, vaccines prevent severe disease and death and they are working. but delta has changed the game and raised everyone's emotions, including, mine about how we need to take precaution. and it's also raising awareness, as you mentioned, about the governors preventing schools from protecting children and staff when we know very well, chris, masks on children and indoor settings are absolutely
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required to keep everyone safe, including the staff. they should be masked as well even though they are vaccinated. this great divide is really, i can feel the temperature going up with with a lot of people, eugene particularly vaccinated daniels people, when they have to deal with bar these unvaccinated mcquade kavita people. so, patel eugene, give us a sense of how the white house has been mar to the operating behind the scenes in victoria regard to handling the david cay johnston surge. what is driving joe biden's latest public announcements, and his statement tonight, that there may be more to unfold in the strategy? >> there is an urgency because they david cay johnston know, the one focus walking in was the pandemic. that was number one, that was the thing no matter what you wanted to talk to him about. they wanted to talk about covid-19. they wanted to talk about the relief bill. and as time has gone on, they've done a good job on vaccinations, right? we have a lot of people vaccinated. 164 million, the last time i checked. so that part of it is working. but nature is taking its course,
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and the doctor obviously knows this more than i do. so we have this delta variant, and this week, and last week, they have this renewed urgency to really focus on making sure that people get vaccinated, making sure that whatever the cdc says they follow. and that is something that the white house briefing today, and asking the deputy press secretary about this, what's he may clear was that their focus is making sure that people get vaccinated. because outside of every other question that we had, they said that's the one thing, the one thing that's really gonna get us out of this. which we already knew, but it's starting to scare people around the country. you look at some of those southern states where people are getting vaccinated all of a sudden, that's because the delta variant is scarier than people have originally thought the other variants, and the original covid-19 was. the white house is focused on that. and when it comes to how the president is doing it. he is seeing this as one following the science, that is something we hear over and over,
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and i think that they mean that. but more importantly, the issue is, the science changes. that makes politics a little more difficult. >> you can tell his frustration yesterday, he wasn't even trying to hide it when he gave that press conference. barbara, i want to turn to these latest revelations of trump's efforts to stay in power. a lot of people will say, we knew this. but in these kinds of cases, how audacious are trump's statements, and what strikes me as may be different from what we are hearing today? >> i think these notes that have been disclosed that the justice department wrote of the conversations with donald trump are really explosive. you have donald trump saying to the justice department, just say that there is corruption in the election, and leave the rest to me. you know, that sounds to my ear, an awful lot like what he asked the president of ukraine, when he asked him about doing as a favor. you may remember at the end it
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was, we don't really need a real investigation into joe biden, i just need an announcement of an investigation into joe biden. that's enough for me to run with. so this kind of disinformation and discord in the country perhaps enough to be able to challenge elections throughout the country. so it is, i think, not the end of the inquiry, but an in important step in the inquiry. i would mention that this is something the january 6th commission is interested in looking at. i would also imagine that this is something the justice department, who are investigating the origins of the january 6th uprising, are interested in learning as well. i think that is a very damning statement, and i feel very thankful that we had people of integrity at the justice department, jeffrey rosen, and richard donner who, who wouldn't go along with this. imagine if we had someone inside who had gone along with it, shudder to think where we would be in that case. >> honestly, eugene, i don't know how you folks working in
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washington how your headstone explode. there's so much going on all the time, you have this, you have the january 6th commission, we talked about covid, how the white house is trying to deal with that. the bipartisan infrastructure plan isn't done yet, little movement on voting rights, on police reform, all of that really key elements of the biden agenda. and the house is in recess, the senate is expecting to leave for a week tonight, although schumer has threatened to keep people here, what is the administration's strategy for moving things along? >> i mean right now they're kind of allowing congress to do their thing. the behind the scenes are having conversations. president biden has spent a lot of time in congress, 36 years, he's kind of the emissary of vice president -- he knows how these conversations work. he's worked with a lot of these members, so that is their focus, is trying to move all these things along. and i asked the people all the time, how do you guys keep all
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of these things going? because you're constructing one infrastructure bill, you have the 3.5 trillion dollar bill that is causing some friction between house progressives and moderates in the senate. so what is -- what do you do? and they say we just walk and chew gum at the same time. it's easier said than done because obviously it doesn't look like -- though they have with -- police reform that you said is that a standstill, we had -- it's august tomorrow, this weekend. so they've missed a couple of deadlines there. so there's a lot going on, this white house knows, there's not a lot of time to get things done. because when january comes around, all eyes are gonna be on 2022, and almost nothing is going to be able to get pushed through congress. >> and you still have these questions lingering about the other guy, the former guy barbara. how critical do you think this doj decision on trump's
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decision is and can trump drag this out the way he did before? >> i think this is a refreshing example of rectifying something that really should have been done in the first instance. the statute that is at issue here says, words to the effect of, if the chair of the raise and means committee and the house of representatives six the records of any taxpayer, the secretary of the treasure shelf furnish those records. the language is clear. so the idea that in the past the justice department stonewalled those records was really wrong and it was good to see the justice department rectify and reverse that. one of the things that is being reported tonight is the justice department, the treasury department, and the house have agreed that they will not turn over these documents until tuesday to give president trump an opportunity to wage an injection.
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so i think we've seen this movie before. i think president trump will file something and will seek to delay the production of these documents. i think you ultimately will lose. but i think he will fight it until he can fight no more. so, doctor patel, i want to go back to questions that you are hearing from folks. let's start, if we can, with the idea of boosters. journalist and author laurie garrett wrote this in a column for foreign policy. waning vaccine efficacy, coupled with a stubborn one fifth of the adult population refusing any immunization -- you know doctor, israel has already given these boosters, when do we need to start having
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a serious conversation? how soon do we need guidance on this? >> oh chris, we are past the point where we need to start a serious conversation. it is not only way overdue, lori is right. this is something that we have seen data building on, not over weeks, over months. hiv, organ transplant, people on chronic suppressive medication, steroids, all of us, including myself, know someone that has this diagnosis or has it ourselves. this is not as common uncommon as one would think. but let me put on my former regulatory hat. these are all emergency use vaccines. technically, you are not allowed to even give a third dose, but people are getting them, even at the recommendation of doctors, illicitly. but we are under a unh. it brings forward, chris -- we need to get these vaccines approved. they should be done in a safe fashion, the day that is overwhelming. it's hard for me to tell a
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patient the vaccines are safe, but that we need the approval. they have a process, they need to do it. and then absolutely, chris, every academic and clinical physician i know is clambering for the ability to do these third doses. but then i also want to turn and remind people that we cannot lose our sight on getting everyone first and second doses, and we still have 13 million people who got j&j, we need guidance on what to do for them. they need boosters? what kind? what order? that's still up. but we are past the point where we need to move forward. >> really quickly, and breakthrough infections, americans are worried, what do we need to know? >> what we need to know is that the majority of them are mild symptoms. but what is important is that you do need to isolate, if you do get a breakthrough infection. and if you are presenting or think you have been in contact with someone, even if you've been vaccinated, and they have
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symptoms, you do need to get tested. we need to bring people forward, as many as possible, to get tested. when in doubt, check it out. >> when in doubt, check it out. and jean i, want to go back to you, we have a late breaking tweet from congresswoman cori bush, who tonight is trying to get congress to extend the eviction moratorium. this is her tweet. many of my democratic colleagues chose to go on vacation early today, rather than stay in vote to keep people in their homes. i'll be sleeping outside the capital tonight, we still have work to do. and she reminds people that she was on how is that lived in her car with her do babies for a time. can something like this move the needle? >> it's hard to say. because a lot of people have already left, a lot of people have moved on and they're back in their districts and they will be following their schedules, already laid out. and we will see, though, those kinds of extraordinary weeks when it came to the moratorium conversation. first of all, the biden
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ministration, when they called on congress to do something, was already a bit late. so there is frustration from congress, especially progressives, who say this should have been worked on before. june 29th with when the supreme court said that congress had to do something on eviction moratoriums. and the cdc was able to. that did not happen. they tried a last-ditch effort to do that. so there is a lot of frustration, with the biden administration on that. there is a lot of frustration on the progressive side, with moderates who are leaving or saying they are going to go. one, it's not clear that people want to do this. if they really want to stay, they would've stayed and that's one of the things that with members of congress, you don't like things getting in the way of them getting back home. so people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, cori bush, they are still pushing this, but with everyone gone there's not much that can be done. that means that people may be getting evicted very soon and people like cori bush, who used
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to sleep in their car, maybe doing just that during a pandemic, and that's something that experts are very concerned about, as the delta variant continues to move through the states. >> our guess, kavita patel, murtaza akhter well, eugene daniels, some much coming up on this friday, thank you for being with us. >> we will talk to a doctor up next to is saying that his hospital is getting crushed with the surge of covid. patients how can this happen? next, what will happen with president trump if florida gets a hold of his talks tax returns. the 11th hour, coming up. coming up you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. our friends sold their policy to help pay for their medical bills and that got me thinking. maybe selling our policy could help
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this virus. i have no interest in continuing mask guidance, and the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there and the best way to do that is to get people vaccinated and to mask up until they are. >> right now, florida is at the epicenter of the surge in coronavirus cases, due in large part to the delta variant, the state reported more than 100,000 cases this past week. that's more than a 50% jump in just one week. florida leads the nation in both covid infections and infections, we welcome back murtaza akhter, an emergency physician at florida international university, and the university college of medicine in phoenix, he joins us tonight from miami. good to see you again, terrible circumstances, doctor. there is a doctor at tampa
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general who described the situation as if we are being hit by a train. that train being covid. how bad is the situation where you are now? >> that's actually a great analogy, that's what it feels like. with the last two shifts i've had. they have been wicked stressful. and i'm used to this, right? i've been doing it for years, i lived through the pandemic. including in arizona, a hot spot. and i don't know if i got soft or just, it really is that bad, but we are in rough, rough straits in our department. huge backups, massive delays, and it's extremely stressful for us, to try to see everyone. remember, they're very sick. so if you got hit by a train, i think that's exactly right. every day you wake up, you get hit again. >> wow. and what are you hearing from patience? a lot of the things we have been hearing from doctors around the country is that they tell them too late, i wish i had gotten vaccinated.
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but give us a sense of just what you are hearing from the folks who come in and they are clearly sick with covid? >> yeah, you know, you get the patients that regret, maybe miami is a special place there are a lot of people who don't have regret it all i had a patient recently who said she would rather die of covid then would be vaccinated. imagine the irony of that -- >> what do you say that? >> it's hard to rationalize that. because in our minds, we are thinking, well, what do you want us to do? if your goal is to die? obviously we want to help everyone, but we have an effective treatment, and you are refusing it, what do you do in an emergency department, in particular when you are taking beds away from other people trying to do the right thing? we cannot treat everyone. we do to the best of our ability or ability. but it is ironic and dangerous. >> an incredibly sad -- we know how to deal with, this right? the miami herald reported today that south florida hospitals
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have seen a rise in younger patients. again, something we've seen in other hotspots, is that what you are experiencing? >> yes. as a matter of fact, i think florida is almost not a surprise. the elderly have been very effectively vaccinated in lots of parts of the country, including well here so the people who have not been vaccinated often are younger, and they are therefore immune -- just yesterday i called the six month old, and after calling, i realize that i can talk to a baby, i have to talk to the parent. there are so many young adults coming in with covid, they are not as believing of the conspiracy theories. the worst is the way [inaudible] of it all, have families of their own, but everyone, please get vaccinated you have to protect your loved ones. >> so even if you are seeing these cases on the rise, governor desantis, who we said
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earlier, it is not letting schools mandate masks, also said he is not going to mask his own three kids. he says he wants to be able to see them smile. and he says, and this is the important thing, there is no evidence masks can prevent outbreaks at schools. is that true? do masks not work the same way as they do for everyone else? >> you know who is not smiling? kids with covid. they actually looked pretty miserable, and their parents are not happy either. and they're really in dire straits when they go to the icu. i will grant, kids generally do not get a sick as adults do, generally. but none, none of the kids that i have seen that got covid, we're happy about it absolutely zero. we know from other countries, other school systems, that masks are very effective. listen, if 100% of a school is vaccinated, you probably don't need a mask. but i know nobody under age 12 in this countries vaccinated the only way of preventing
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transmission of disease to the unvaccinated is distancing and masks. i feel like a broken record, but it is still true. >> it does seem -- well, it doesn't just seem. we've heard about the numbers, joe biden talked about it today, we are seeing more people getting vaccinated, they are head been this level we had this push right at the beginning, then this big level, now things seem to be picking up. since you are around patients all the time, and you are so deeply immersed in this, is your sense that maybe what is happening now, which is this horrific reliving of what everybody went through, for a whole year, getting people to get vaccinated, are you a little bit hopeful? >> i hate to sound like a pessimist on national tv. but after the thing that's, and what i have heard, i am not sure that convincing people is going to work i do think that mandates could work. but remember, we have mandated a lot of things over the course of human history, including
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vaccines. so i think that mandating the coronavirus vaccine, in particular the mrna one, or really anyone, because they are all effective, i think mandating them could go a long way. would it make it a crime to not get it? and if you wear a hazmat suit all the time, but if you are interacting with other people, vaccination is the way to go. and i think maybe we are at the point where mandating them is that it's the only way it's going to increase the rates. >> i just need to ask you, before you go, and it does stick with me, that getting hit by a train, that analogy, how are the folks who are working with doing? >> very fatigued, and the worst part is the residents i'm training, are effective despite being vaccinated, and to dealing with patients who are basically at odds with their treatment plan. as my resident told me this two nights ago, multiple times, on shift, i am beginning to lose empathy. i'm glad he still has some empathy left. i hope he doesn't lose it.
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but there is only so many times you can feel that way before it starts taking a toe, and a long term one as well. >> you just mentioned that, some of them, even though there are unvaccinated, even though they're vaccinated, they are getting it sometimes, how worried are you about these breakthrough infections? >> the percentage is extremely low, less than one, 0.1. and the cases of hospitalization are very rare. so -- not many patients have needed to be hospitalized. that's the most important thing about the vaccine, not just preventing infection, but especially preventing severe infection. that's the good news. but on the flip side, you do have to be concerned, especially in the health care system we are we are seeing patients. even if you are feeling okay, you probably are able to transmit the disease, it's very important to wear masks, especially around people not vaccinated. doctor murtaza akhter, i can't thank you enough, i know how
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tired you must be, and getting this message out is so important, we appreciate it, thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, why two big reasons for democrats in congress could mean trouble for the former guy, when the 11th hour continues. . wowontinues wo hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right? sadly, not anymore. wow. so sudden. um, we're not about to have the "we need life insurance" conversation again, are we? no, we're having the "we're getting coverage so we don't have to worry about it" conversation. so you're calling about the $9.95 a month plan -from colonial penn? -i am. we put it off long enough. we are getting that $9.95 plan, today.
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attempt to steal an election, and weaponizing the justice department in the process. that's both a legal and pretty
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much the most un-american thing you can come up with in your wild imagination. >> more reaction tonight to the stunning new details on just how the twice impeached former president tried to overturn an election. including telling the doj to, quote, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. bill kristol put it bluntly, this was the closest we've ever come to a genuine presidential usurpation. but that wasn't the only major development coming from the attorney generals justice department today. the doj reversed an earlier decision and now says the irs must release six years of trump's tax returns to help investigation. just a few days ago the doj said it won't move to block former trump officials to testify in front of the january 6th committee. so plenty to talk about tonight with victoria defrancesco, a cyst and dean at the university of texas in austin. and the aid for mentioned bill kristol, author, writer,
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thinker, veteran of the reagan and bush administration's an editor at large at the bulwark. great to see you both. bill crystal, put it in perspective for us, how does trump's pressure on the doj reveal how close we are to serving the presidency? >> you know, chris, the events of january six that were so dramatic and drawback to a high relief of the very moving testimony of the capitol police officers this week's, it will -- end between november 3rd and january six, and what happened behind the scenes when trump tried to do not in public with the justice department, with the defense department, with state election officials. in a pretty systematic effort to overturn the effort, which is pretty amazing. it hasn't really happened to the u.s., a president to try to reverse the verdict of the people and stay in office using the instrumentalities of government, he fired his
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secretary of defense, he will who -- seemed to resist him in this call of the released today. he thought of getting rid of him and trying to replace him with a more cooperative person to run the justice department, he got close to replacing the fbi and cia directors. if you put it all together, and i hope that we do this in a systematic way, will both be shocked by the incredible irresponsibility and callousness of fostering an attack on the capital. but also by this more systematic effort to overturn the election. i can really see the depth of white how un-american trump tried to do was and we established that one of our two major parties seems to still -- >> yes, victoria, with these revelations of just how much we -- also have the ruling that former trump officials can be
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subpoenaed by the generous committee. will you just not expect that committee, potentially others to move quickly, of course team trump is probably gonna push back, so how do you see it playing now? >> i think that what we have seen over the course of this week at with the testimony for the january six commission and what we saw from the doj, just highlights how close we came to the edge. because this isn't supposed to happen in the united states. i think the other piece of this that you mentioned earlier, in trump giving up his tax records, this to me, i'm standing way back, maybe three steps back, this to me is about the branch of congress reasserting tax imbalances, because what we saw during the whole presidency and during that interim of the election in january six, was an unbridled president. we have seen presidential power grow over the past several
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decades and it really ballooned under trump. so this is where we see the need for a congress to come and reassert themselves. it might seem minor now because trump is out of office and it's more about a preliminary issue. the fact that they can check his power, because he might have been with beholden to foreign powers while he was president, it's crucial to securing our democratic institutions because, really, this is at the end of the day, about democratic theory. >> so bill, what penguin rights and the wall street journal about the january six commission, members of the republican leadership are making a huge error in how they are responding to the committee. they misunderstand their own position. they should be quietly trying to push away from the disaster by leaving it on mr. trump and his white house, not their party. and then she went on to criticize minority leader kevin mccarthy, is it too late, do you think bill, for republicans
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to change course, and as peggy put it, nail everybody involved? >> well they can do it i suppose and they really will, it's better if they do then if they don't. but peggy puts it into tactical, way it's wrong what they're doing, it's not a matter of they would be better off this thing politically distancing themselves. some of them have distance themselves a little bit, but this needs to be unequivocally repudiated -- >> here, is what i want to know, what do you think? i understand the money part of it because you put trump in a fund raising email, and the dollars just came rolling in. but from, again, a strategic, tactical point of view, he lost the white house, he lost the senate, he lost the house, and we're seeing in texas people who he is supporting are losing. i am just -- from any kind of perspective, how does this work? >> they don't see quite that way, they almost won the senate,
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they have to lose through the georgia elections. he would like to get all the energy of trump, all the -- it's not kid ourselves that trump engaged in. and to get rid of the less attractive aspects of. it i don't think you can do that, they don't have the courage to repudiate him -- so i think for -- we have to step back and say oh it's unwise for them to do this, but you, know they don't think that they're doing badly. because kevin mccarthy thinks he's gonna lose the house in the november 2022, intelligent people think know the republican people have a decent chance, they think of a disenchanted 2024. unfortunately, how it sounds honestly, they do despite despite the lack of repudiation. they have not paid the price in a fundamental way. we've paid the, priceless genius pave the price, kevin mccarthy hasn't pay the price, mcconnell hasn't paid the price, a huge number of the republicans who voted to overturn the commission on
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generous x haven't paid the price. >> let's talk a little bit about something that democrats say, they want to see donald trump's taxes. democrats say that that's a victory for congressional oversight and national security, but there's a different take from congressman o'connor lee, let's take a look at this. >> i don't see this as a great victory, i see this as a signature failure of the system. it took two years to get the department of justice to finally agree that, yeah, you're entitled to see those tax tax returns. people are in title to know while he was in office, and it might have been affected by the two impeachments. >> so quickly, victoria, is this a better late than never scenario, how important do you think that it is for congress to see these returns? now >> i think it's better late than never. and going back to what i said earlier, i think it is structurally, congress needs to be able to flex that muscle. now that being said, we know
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that the playbook that donald trump is going to. use that if the witch hunt was successful in getting out of the first impeachment. i think the question here isn't so much what is trump in power we, but what is the staying power of folks coming after him. is ron desantis going to be able to make any headway? trump has been slowly but surely moving losing a bit of ground, he doesn't have twitter, he doesn't have the bullet pulpit, he has lost is we -- but what is the larger influence of trumpism in two point oh and the folks that come after him? and that's really what i'm looking at now instead of just trump. victoria and bill are staying with us. coming up after a quick break, the push to protect voting rights could grain some crucial traction next week. but one party could still get in the way. we'll talk about it when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues.
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constituents children children, to be able to enjoy the freedom that is given given to them. >> we need congress to act, we need them to act now. we are here in person because that's how important it is to protect everyone's freedom to vote. and we will keep fighting, with everything we have. >> texas democrats still pleading for federal protections on voting rights. and here's did another reason why. republicans in georgia are actively trying to take over elections in a crucial democratic stronghold. the atlanta journal-constitution says that still with us, victoria
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defrancesco soto, bill kristol. pictorial, you know this, activists are capping a four-day march for democracy with a rally where you are. the reverend william barber said, look, democracies in trouble, if this is the worst attack we have seen since the civil war, this needs to be massive. what needs to happen here? >> we need to see a movement. and it's really very much looking at the playbook of the 1960s. what was that playbook? it was pushing against over two dozen jim crow laws that restrict voting across the american south. we are starting to see the same thing, chris so what we are seeing in this fight is, folks going to washington, i'm going to assert my texas bias here, but i think the presence of the texas democrats from the legislature here, has really helped keep this in the spotlight. at the same time, you see the civil disobedience, grassroots marches, with sheila jackson lee that you saw yesterday. we saw the march culminating
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washington d.c.. all these things together is what is causing this movement. at the end of the day, republicans and legislatures nu. but you see the pressing need of mobilization from all of these areas, but ultimately it has to be a federal level protection. just like we saw in 1965. >> so if that's the goal, bill kristol, for folks who want to do something about protecting people's right to vote. the president on passing a narrower voting rights bill, but what are the chances that republicans are really going to negotiate here, we willing to get on board with something? >> i don't know that the chances are any, or that there are many republicans going to be coming on board at all. but i will say this. they have done what people thought they could do. which is come up with a consensus bill, which will be more narrow or, a more targeted
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voting rights bill, an integrity bill, really, preventing the overturning of elections by republican legislators. including federal requirements for photo i.d., which conservatives might like. they'll come up with a bill, they've had it next week, there's also a new version of the john lewis voting rights act coming up next week. but the meeting is important. the president, vice president, speaker, majority leader schumer. i was told over an hour, i was told they would focus entirely on voting rights. they have a lot to focus on those people, they could talk about covid, infrastructure. but i think they're serious i think they will try and get the republicans get some republicans want to have the bill next week, if they can get any. but if not, -- but >> really? >> i think they will come together to adjust the filibuster on this one issue. i do think they are convinced, as victoria was saying, on the
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urgency of this. >> we will keep watching this, bill kristol, victoria defrancesco soto, great to have you tonight, thanks so much for staying up with us. and coming up, the destructive weather story that nearly flew under the radar. when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues a quality probiotic to naturally help soothe digestive upsets 24/7. try align, the pros in digestive health. a big chunk of our country is
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recovering tonight after deadly storms tore across five states. at least a dozen tornadoes touched down just over the past couple of days. a report tonight from nbc news correspondent ramy ellis. in pennsylvania a path of destruction. >> we've got a major building collapse. >> after a powerful tornado tore through areas around philadelphia, ripping the roof off this car dealership, injuring five. >> it looked like a bomb went off. i've been doing this for years, i never saw this kind of devastation. >> elsewhere, trees uprooted, power lines down, as heavy rain pounded the area. and in new jersey, at least
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three tornadoes barreled across the state. >> we lost power. and then we were just hearing pow, pop, all our windows went out. >> it went out for three minutes, this is what we were left. with >> this water spout formed in nearby bethany beach, delaware. two other tornado striking ohio. in virginia, damaging wind and hail. earlier, damaging wind from the same system left one man dead. experts say despite the summer severe weather, it may not be related to climate change, as tornadoes eee typically strike as far north as canada. >> we're back with more of the 11th hour after a quick break. >> themr a quick break. >> the
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a quick update -- american swimmer kayla decade pulled off the three pizza night, she won her third gold medal in the 800 meter freestyle from these olympics, and she says that rumors of her retirement are premature. she's not done swimming yet. caleb dressel meanwhile, in the 100-meter butterfly final. and boy did he, capturing his third gold medal of these games and setting a world record. and the u.s. women's soccer team takes on canada in the semifinals monday, but if you saw the game today, it was a nail-biter shoot out victory, over the netherlands. that is our broadcast for this friday night thanks for being
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