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detailed for the very first time what reads like a premeditat plan for a conspiracy and who would aid his coup attempt. the exchange unfolded during a phone call on december 27th in which trump pressed the acting attorney general at the time, jeffrey rosen, and his deputy, richard donahue, on voter fraud claims the department had disproved. donahue warned the department had no power to change the outcome of the election. trump replied he did not expect that. quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and to congressional allies. trump did not name the lawmakers but at other points during the call mentioned representative jim jordan of ohio whom he described as a fighter, scott perry of pennsylvania, who at the time promoted the idea the
election was stolen from trump, and senator ron johnson of wisconsin whom trump praised for getting to the bottom of things. the notes pointing to trump's perceived coup accomplices are now in the hands of those members' peers in the house oversight and reform committee, which is investigating trump's efforts to overturn his defeat. the extraordinary new window into conversations with top justice department officials and the ex-president represent fresh smoking gun evidence of trump's abuse of power and frantic efforts to cling to power at all costs. the notes illuminate a well worn theme of the trump presidency, the ex-president's imperviousness to facts. "the times" writes this, the officials also told trump the justice department had no evidence to support a lawsuit regarding the election results. we are not in a position based on the evidence, they said. we can only act on the actual evidence developed. trump then cass at this gat cas.
he said people are angry blaming the doj for inaction. you guys may not be following the internet the way i do, trump said, according to the document. that guy following the internet controlled our nuclear arsenal. the notes reveal the power struggle atop doj had been put into motion as well as trump's attempts to order up an investigation into hundredor biden, unprecedented access into contemporaneous notes that detail donald trump's campaign to corrupt his own doj and overthrow the election result is where we start this hour. katie benner is here, "new york times" justice department reporter and msnbc contributor. that was her reporting we read at the top. harry lipton joins us, former deputy assistant attorney general and katie benner, i will read more from the piece. first, your reaction to seeing these contemporaneous notes from these officials you covered and
wrote about at the time to now see in their own words what they were writing down as trump gave them direction. your thoughts? >> i had two immediate responses. one i was really struck by how similar this conversation was to the conversation that trump had with the president of ukraine when he was asking him to announce an investigation to hundredor biden to undermine biden's campaign. he didn't necessarily want the investigations conducted. he just wanted them announced. very similarly he understood that an official statement from any entity with any sort of gravitas would carry with it a message so disruptive and, two, i was struck by how much insight we have into conversations between a president and his cabinet.
the justice department never wants to release that information. there is the spector revealing sensitive conversations that hold people up to scrutiny that no executive branch wants. the justice department has told congress and others because of circumstances, the context of the investigation and they can look at whether or not the president was trying to subvert the democratic process. this is so unusual. >> the other thing that is so remarkable, you have kevin mccarthy's caucus not just obstructing accountability for a president who put all their lives in danger and mike pence's life in danger and his family's, but they're smearing the witnesses of the select committee investigating january 6th and other than the political depravity i do sometimes wonder what's behind it. in donald trump's mind his coup accomplices as communicated to acting attorney general rosen and richard donoghue, does this
put new scrutiny on them? >> it certainly does give people reason to scrutinize congress and whether or not lawmakers were working with the congress but i do need to point out that in thames of jordan's and johnson's office they put out statements denying any knowledge of this. they say they were never involved in any attempts to subvert the results of the election. i will remine everybody that congressman perry was working closely with an official inside the justice department in order to get the department to announce investigation noose voter fraud all other officials deemed completely invalid after investigating themselves. congressman perry was involved with mr. clark and his he was to make some sort of announcement that would have impacted the results of the election. >> harry, i want to read more
from katie's reporting but i want your first reaction to just seeing the other echo to the call was the meetings to let flynn go. there was never a moment where the president of the united states operated as though his justice department and fbi were there to protect the country. they were always there to protect him. >> and so that's an unvarying thru line. i like katie's point of the analogy to ukraine here. it is trump's m.o., first the people are talking and any port in a storm. the acting attorney general here, but that is not a high level official. the one through a period that trump now turns to to make this happen and, by the way, it couldn't have been more
flagrantly improper. the exact thing the department of justice never can do is simply announce something corrupt without taking action. they must file a lawsuit based on evidence. nothing here, probably no lawsuit to bring. again, just give me that talking point. and who are the folks? this is the first fruit of what will be a very large harvest from the department of justice opinion two days ago saying there's no executive privilege. they are going to call to testify richard donoghue. he put down congressional colleagues. he has no reason to not answer. the cloak has been taken away.
this will be amplified and a lot more where this came from. >> let me add to our conversation, my friend nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst, also the host and executive producer of show time's "the circus" just nominated for an emmy as well as a podcast. >> i've just lost sound. >> can you hear me now? >> yes, it's okay. >> okay. so, john, when you read through the reporting here and you hear harry's analysis and the parallels, your reaction? my reaction is this is the 1.27 million shocking from our time
together, nicolle, talking about donald trump. from any other president in any other circumstance we would be having coronaries and yet from donald trump of course this was the case. related to trump and bill barr, i don't know how many weeks ago we had the news broken about the last exchanges, we know what trump was doing from november 7th on ward. frustrated over the fact bill barr wouldn't do what he wanted to do. now he's reaching out to what he thinks now are more pliable lackies asking them to confirm his version and the last thing, to harry's point, the last thing in the world he wants is for the justice department to actually -- i mean, of course he would love them to file a lawsuit. he does not want them to follow -- want them to follow
norms or precedent. what he wants is that phrase which is just leave it to me and my colleagues and my enablers and my allies in congress is the way trump looked at everything with respect to the rule of law. don't worry about the rule of law, norms, what the justice department has ever done in the past. just leave it to me could be donald trump's -- the epitaph for donald trump's presidency. i am, of course, stunned that these things took place and yet utterly unsurprised. this is a perfect, be like so many things, a perfect encapsulation how donald trump thought of his whole presidency but in this moment of great desperation we're learning more and more about this crucial period leading up to the insurrection. >> i take katie's point that a couple of these members trump named and mr. donoghue recorded
his names in his notes from this call denied they were involved. that's a narrow denial. 11 days after the call there was a deadly insurrection of the united states capitol and i wonder if liz cheney's constant agitation is cast in a new light that trump saw him in the coup. >> there are so many questions about jim jordan who went and got his private medal in a private ceremony at the white house someone did all of the questions that jim jordan needs to answer. someone may remember it might have been sydney blumenthal who wrote a column in "the guardian" and went on with the factual questions that need to be asked.
i pray he has made a witness because it's clear that, yes, it's a narrow denial. i would be happy to believe none of these members of congress were stupid enough to put a phone call to do what donald trump did. i'm sure they knew enough to cover their own asses to not make that phone call because even the dumbest ones have 20 iq points on trump. the fact that they weren't directly pressuring the department of justice is almost meaningless in the context of what this reporting reflects which is that trump, again, didn't want anything from the justice department. all he wanted was to make a statement that would allow him to have running on his completely made-up claims of the fact the election was corrupt and, again, i think the sighting of jim jordan, if investigators were not interested in not knowing his role this should take their degree of interest up another couple of notches.
and the imperative nature of getting that man under oath including a subpoena if necessary if he ignores or resists the subpoena i think is essential to figuring out. he was in the middle of something and we only know partially what he was in the middle of. i want to know more. >> and harry litman, john is asserting they were not dumb enough to mettle meddle in the justice department but whose job is to look at all the things congressional allies were doing to undermine the election result that days later resulted in the deadly insurrection? >> right now it's the select committee. it will be the department of justice. donoghue is not alone on this call. i agree with john but also
jordan my try to resist. but by that time if they play it right and all indications are they're thoughtful and strategic they'll have had not just donoghue but three or four other people who were on the call and they will have laid a case that will be really damning of jordan. if he wants to refuse then, it will look all the worse for him. i think they have other ways to at least surface the investigation about jordan and colleagues, plural, how donoghue wrote it. and then if they try tomorrow exotic claim in court and even want to delay it the political cost to them is not zero as it was during the trump years. >> katie, can you expand on your understanding of the decision to turnover over these notes, of phone calls between the president and top doj officials.
i ask that in the spirit you and others have made. donald trump's efforts to corrupt his justice department are a through line through his entire presidency. is it the heinousness of the january 6 insurrection and the ongoing threat of extremism that makes this flash point the one that they say everything between the president and his cabinet is fair game or is it a broader look at attempts to corrupt doj? >> merrick garland's justice department is extremely measured in all things. they do not measure the events that were so dramatic for so much of the country. they look at things on a case-by-case basis, they look at things on a case-by-case basis depending on what the investigatory request is and they say while privilege is usually almost always granted, it is granted in order to benefit the entire nation.
it is supposed to be a benefit to the american people. in the case of the senate judiciary investigation into the final days of the trump administration and the house oversight into the final days of the administration. they say they want to know things that are not about a president acting on behalf of the country but acting on behalf of himself in which case it is no longer appropriate to exert privilege. >> so, harry, i want to press you on this and read you more from katie's reporting on the donoghue notes. during the call trump also told the justice department officials to, quote, figure out what to do with hunter biden. biden's son. violating long-standing guidelines against white house intervention and criminal investigations or other law enforcement actions. before he was telling doj to investigate hunter biden he was telling them to investigate mccabe and before that struck
and before that the whistle-blower. there is a long history of donald trump seeking to politicize criminal investigations. i wonder if that justifies congressional oversight. >> i will go back to what john said about shocking but not surprising. even a whisper like that when i was in the department could have given coronaries all up and down the fourth and fifth floor. he had made it very normal. i do think to the question you posed to katie that they are really, really at pains to not set a precedent here, to not have this come back to bite them. they are trying to keep it narrow and in that sense keeping it on the, we hope, singular events of january 6th rather than some other overall corruption over four years by
trump. their real effort is to make this a one off. and that, i think, is the thrust of what they're saying even though, as katie says, they don't spell it out with footnotes about why here now but not in the future. they want to protect in the future but see a need to get it out there as indeed there is. >> john, i want your thoughts on that. i am really happy that there is some sun light in the final acts of this president. i'm happy the notes are in the hands of the bipartisan committee, oversight committees. but i am distressed that the same transparency as a disinfectant is not being considered for seizing the phone records of everyone from don mcgahn to adam schiff and eric swalwell that there isn't a
desire to have a better understanding how bill barr politicized the 23-month investigation into his campaign's ties with russia. the abuses are too many to tick off here and we still don't know everything about who was involved. and where the president's interventions may have impaced criminal investigations. >> nicolle, it's so rare i've been on a segment where i've heard you say we're talking about donald trump and you say i'm happy about anytocng and su. i'm happy followed by something related to trump. it's staggering. it must be friday and someone has been in the liquor cabinet before the show. here is what i think. i think that, number one, i
think it's clear for history this administration, which has already been scrutinized and examined by journalists in a pretty profound way over the course of the last four years will generate more investigative journalism, more books, more things written. i think a lot of the stuff will out eventually. i don't know what is going on inside the doj. merrick garland has this job and harry, i think, could speak to this from his own perspective. the restoration of morale, the restoration of xe tension, repairing the damage of the last four years is a gargantuan task. i know merrick garland takes it seriously. i don't have a window into all or most of the internal work that's being done to try to
reckon with what happened along the lines that you're talking about. i do think it is going on to some degree. i think there is a large question and i understand harry's argument and the point about needing to preserve and the department is trying to keep this focused on january 6th because it is unprecedented, because it does allow certain kinds of breaks from tradition that are warranted. i do think there is this larger question, the one you're getting at and it would be -- it's one of those things that for the good of not just the long term of the country but for the immediate term we are going to have another presidential election in 2024. it is not a thing that inspires to you say that you're happy. donald trump may run for president again in 2024. i think it's important for the country to have as much
transparency as possible to understand what happened in the perversions of the department of justice so that those things can be litigated, small l litigated, and understood as factors that we must all be able to calculate as we potentially face the choice. we, collectively, the country, face the choice of having to determine as an electorate. that may be what's on the ballot in 2024. i think this is something to consider if they're faced with that choice again. >> no doubt. katie, let me give you the last word with a question i have. is the privilege not protecting conversations between trump and his top justice department officials expected to pertain to other cabinet officials should
trump's calls for general milley or other cabinet members become of interest to congressional investigators? >> insofar as the investigators are asking questions whether he was working to subvert democracy, to overturn the valid results of the election, you can imagine this opinion would stand for other officials because it was made in conjunction with the white house counsel's office. it will be interesting to see who was actually call as a witness. i think going forward we want to be watching for a couple of things. one, whether or not donald trump himself moves to block any testimony. you can imagine that he could sue as a private citizen now he would be paying the legal bills himself. it would be interesting whether or not he actually does that. if he does not we could expect a lot of information to come out far more quickly than it has come out in the past for years because trump was so good at using the apparatus of government to slow investigations and stop them.
now that he is not in office and with the possibility that he may not sue to stop anything, we could be in an era where we are learning a lot of things all at once. we can't know yet what the justice department will ultimately do with that information. >> katie, we're grateful you are on the beat. thank you for starting us off with your great reporting. john heilemann is not going anywhere. the other big shoe to drop late this afternoon. major news in the long, long wait to get a look at trump's taxes. the new exposure he faces unable, as katie is describing, to hide behind the apparatus of government. plus, the voting rights crisis at a breaking point. leaders to move on legislation that will try to stave off the assault on democracy and president biden yesterday at this time said protecting
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truth in a multiyear effort to clear up questions about donald trump's finances. house speaker pelosi on the importance of the decision today saying this. access to former president trump's tax returns is a matter of national security. the american people deserve to know the facts of his troubling conflicts of interest and undermining of our security and democracy as president. john heilemann and harry litman are back. harry, first, this was an olc opinion. and garland is basically saying they got it wrong. our friend joyce vance posts a provocative question. what else might they have gotten wrong? >> it's a good illustration on the point john was making between balancing transparency and empowering the rank and file but also making the policy changes. this is a big one and, by the way, they did get it wrong. this really seems like a dubious opinion.
the law is crystal clear the chair of the house ways and means committee says can i have this please and the law says you shall give it to them. the law doesn't even say you need a valid legislative purpose. some people suggest that but if you did the doj found it and plainly there is and it's interesting that pelosi. many could have stated she was the very one they were citing before, it couldn't be more clear the old opinion was wrong. the reason you needed it before was to investigate these conflicts of interest. a legitimate thing for congress to do for that reason. there's no wriggle room at all and it was a wrong and i daresay political opinion by the predecessor doj. >> we're back where we started, the politicalization of the doj. inspector horowicz is looking into it. the only major ig, i believe, the ex-president didn't fire.
but we wish him the best in his probe. i want to read you the context of the original congressional request because there were so many avenues and efforts donald trump sought to block scrutiny of his finances. one was calling it a red line for mueller. another for people investigating tis company. this was pretty specific. let me read you this from nbc's reporting. congressman richard neal asked for the tax information in april of 2019. citing a federal law that requires treasury and the irs to turn over individual tax returns when demanded by any of the three congressional tax committees. the trump administration refused to provide the documents arguing congress had no legitimate law making purpose for seeking them and was hoping to find something that would embarrass the president. the office said that earlier analysis went astray failing to give a coordinate branch of government the respect and deference it was due.
question for you. it does show how out of whack the relationship and power dynamic came between the executive branch and congress whether it was looking for the ex-president's taxes, looking for testimony in the mueller probe. trump yanked all the power into that sort of center of his white house and cabinet agencies. >> obviously over time, and we've seen this across both parties, the irrigation of power, your boss was a champion of that, nicolle, barack obama, did it, too. and one of the things that for scholars of congress and long-standing members of the house and senate it's been a source of dismay, domestic and foreign for 20, 30 years. and trump took the -- in this
case, that existing trend and put it on steroids and put it to a malicious and self-serving purpose. the law that chairman neal was citing in 2019 you'll recall the timing around that, the reason why the house wanted to get a look at donald trump's taxes was because the mueller report had not been -- was just -- we just had mueller -- barr's interpretation. we saw the full xhuler report. the questions related to donald trump's money to his income, to whether there were things in the tax returns that would show some connections to russia and other foreign governments were pertinent then as matters of public policy, the reasons, the questions that arose arose in a way suggestive of why we expect, though there's no law to this effect and there should be that
people who run for president have to turn over their tax returns. that's been a tradition because we want to know if there are foreign entanglements, route out corruption. there was a legitimate purpose and had nothing to do with finding out things embarrassing for donald trump. there was a law that supported it, a clear law, as harry said. this was not a hard call and yet it was made wrongly,a political way, and it does, again, i think it's all for the good we'll get to see his tax returns now. we don't know what's in them. it would have been a lot better for the american people if we had been able to get the information when it was pertinent to his presidency. >> if there weren't any conflicts of interest or speaker pelosi suggested national security concerns it would have been better for the ex-president
to disclose his taxes. after this battle with congress there was only -- there's a vast reporting how leveraged his companies are, about how much debt he was in by the end, more and more questions about efforts to sort of pursue economic opportunity in russia. the picture grew worse for him not better. >> totally. and what they tried to say about that at the time, that is just investigating. hello, that's a big part of what congress does. you need to be adjunct to a law. should congress pass a law saying all presidential candidates have to disclose their taxes, that's certainly part of the business here. there are six ways from sunday it was legitimate to have these records and incidentally as a prosecutor it's where you would always start when you were looking into conflicts of
interest. they had no leg to stand on. mnuchin was armed to just stonewall, and it was one of the many things as john said that just kind of happened. they had to go on to the next battle and now it falls either to the congress or historians to ferret it out. we should have known it then. better late than never. this is going to be another real treasure-trove of information. under the law it's secret and not make it public. we'll see whether congress somehow winds up leaking the information or not. but they have a right to it immediately, and the doj did the right thing here. >> harry litman, john heilemann, i'm happy to get to talk to both of you about these two huge breaking news stories. always happy to see you both.
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night at a d.c. voting rights protest. she becomes the third democratic lawmaker to be arrested in as many weeks. that was ahead of a meeting that concluded within the last hour between president joe biden and the top democrats in congress. senate majority leader chuck schumer and nancy pelosi to discuss their parties' efforts to finally put together and pass major federal voting rights legislation, legislation urgently needed given the intensifying state by state assault on elections. one of the main battlegrounds, texas. we're alm aware of the democratic lawmakers who fled their state in order to block voting restrictions from being enacted there. they now face increasing pressure but today in a press conference they also expressed optimism that they are making progress in washington after their testimony yesterday on capitol hill. >> i know our federal lawmakers have heard us. the republican congressmen may not have liked it but they heard us. they heard us when we told them
how their colleagues are making it harder than ever to vet. they will remember as new proposals give us the voter protection we need when our right to vote and we must go all out and all in to do what's necessary. >> joining us now the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network and my friend former rnc chairman michael steele. i want to say this about the texas lawmakers. i've interviewed a few of them on the program. they changed the conversation by saying we don't need anything that's been drafted. what we need is one inch. we need something more than nothing. do you feel that way and are you optimistic something will get
done? >> i do share that something may be done. on wednesday martin luther king iii and i met with the delegation from texas. we also met with the majority leader schumer and pelosi and we met with manchin and lindsey graham, a whole host of people. i'm starting to see at least on the democratic side there's a determination to see something done. he met with eight democrats trying to frame something and i think all of that started with these texas legislators who made the sacrifice to come to washington and stay out of texas to make sure they could not have a quorum and ram rod these bills through. we have an opportunity for the
democrats to unite around some common sense proposals like they're talking about making sure we extend early voting and protect the fact that you can't nullify voting with the county committees or the election authorities. whenever they come up we have to deal with will we get around the 60 vote and that is going to be what is most critical which is why we must keep rallying all over the country and august 28 in washington with a mass march. >> michael steele, this isn't a process problem, though. this is a problem of passion because the same washington in which this president passed with only his own party
transformational legislation under the banner of the covid relief and the infrastructure package, those were just as difficult. there was a will there and my question for you is do you seep see the same will preventing people's votes from being nullified by what's happening in georgia, which is the nightmare scenario that state's voter suppression law rigged who counts the votes? >> whose will are you talking about? sure there is. is the will among the republicans? i haven't seen it yet. even in the space of what the democrats -- the work because the reality of it is as the rev put on the table despite the optimism there's still the reality that requires the work.
the reality is 60 votes and the work is how do you get that? i was laughing and listening to the rev, i'm going to come off as the radical one. but i think we should be -- there should be not just august 28th, i mean there should be a concerted national effort. people need to understand this is fundamental. there is no republic if there's no vote. if any state legislature can make it harder for one citizen, let alone a community of citizens to access the ballot box. behind the will that passion will provoke the work and i think for me at least and i'm in the voting space, i work with a
number of other nonprofits and others in the space and that's the animating principle. when the citizens are looking their legislators in the eye, nicolle, and telling them don't you get this wrong, because your name will be on that ballot, that you think i'm not going to access come next november.and i change the nature of the will that gets you the 60 votes you need. >> i'm over here with radical michael steele on this one. i think you're being too nice. if you don't do this this will be the last you ever see as a federal government. if you don't protect the right to vote there will never be anything. if you don't protect the right
to vote we will never have democratic majorities in the house and senate again ever and those are the stakes leaving the 389 voter suppression and voter nullification laws racing through 48 states on the books which is what happens if there isn't federal action. is it time to get meaner? >> you won't think i'm too nice when we get finished with we're in georgia and organizing. you always give people the opportunity to expose themselves so when you do come with the meanness, people can say they tried to negotiate, tried to talk to you and we always try to have conversations before confrontation. confrontation is coming.
you are talking about people talking about whether they will protect the right to vote. we want them to be real clear which is why before we go in to georgia and other places we went and sat with manchin. we went and sat with lindsey graham. you are not going to protect our right to vote then when we come back and say even to the democrats we did not elect you to come here and have no backbone in washington. we don't hear anything other than our right to vote because we can't get the george floyd bill or anything else. you can't say you didn't give us a chance. we came and heard you all. either you will act or we're going to act and the action comes now. that's why melanie campbell and
others in texas. the voting rights act in the first place. you had the carolinas, dr. king in alabama dealing with selma. it has always been different actions that led up to the ultimate move. so this is scientifically organized. you don't start with rage. you build that rage up to achieving something so you're not having a fit, you're having a movement. up toward achieving something so you're not having a fit, you are having a movement. >> i could listen to you guys all day. the reverend al sharp ton, michael steele, thank you so much. up next for us, alarming new data about the delta variant putting hard evidence behind the move this week on mask mandates and the need to rapidly boost vaccinations in america. our expert weighs in next.
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♪ ♪ so what i ask from you all is to get to the bottom of what happened, and that includes, like i echoed the sentiments of all of the other officers sitting here. i use an analogy to describe what i want as a hitman. if a hitman is hired and he kills somebody, the hitman goes to jail. but not only does the hitman go to jail but the person who hired them does. there was an attack carried out on january 6th and a hitman sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> hi again, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. those words from capitol police officer harry dunn during the first hearing of the january 6th select committee should
serve as a mission statement for anyone in congress investigating what happened on january 6th and the months-long coup attempt that led to the deadly insurrection. questions are growing by the day about who knew what and when and what role gop members of congress played in the months-long campaign by the ex-president to overturn the election result. just today there is fresh evidence showing how trump tried to get the doj involved in a conspiracy to toss out the 2020 election. it seemed to involve republican members of congress as well, at least in trump's telling. the house oversight committee released notes from a former doj official that describe the december 27th phone call in which trump urged doj to, quote, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen. one of the congressmen later mentioned by trump on that call as a, quote, fighter is jim jordan, who has already been named by liz cheney as a
potential material witness for the january 6th select committee bought of his ties to the disgraced ex-president. now watch him stumble when he is asked if he talked to trump on january 6th. >> did you speak with president trump on january 6th? >> yeah, i mean i speak -- i spoke with the president last week, i speak with the president all the time. i spoke with him on january 6th. >> on january 6th did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked? >> i would have to go -- i i -- i spoke with him that day after, i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i would have to go back. i mean i don't -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. >> i don't know, i just don't know. alabama republican mo brooks, remember him? he's the guy that told the crowd at the rally before the attack on the capitol, quote, start taking down names and kicking ass. he told a reporter that he wore body armor to the rally because of is a tip he received about
potential violence. all of this before the republican disinformation machine kicked into gear to distract from a dose of reality provided by this week's hearing. republicans tried to blame nancy pelosi for security failures, even though she is not responsible for securing the u.s. capitol. a few tried to pull a stunt in defense of the actual insurrectionists on thursday, getting turned away from a prison holding the january 6th suspects. the gop's antics in the face of a serious and bipartisan investigation into the insurrection has republican peggy newnan of the "wall street journal" warning fellow republicans that, quote, they have put their party on the wrong side of reality. when house republican leader kevin mccarthy called the two republicans on the panel, ms. cheney and representative adam kinzinger, pelosi republicans he looked unserious and stupid. he breathed more oxygen into crazytown theories of a stolen election and, again, propped up mr. trump whose support in the party is broad, true, but also
shallow. her advice, nail this story down. nail everyone involved. then, and only then, move on. republican complicity in trump's attempts to overthrow a democracy is where we begin this hour. joining us is congressman gerry connolly of virginia. also joining us neil kotiel, and lucky for us an msnbc contribu national chairman of the serve america movement. congressman, i want to play something i played this week because in light of these -- sort of the freeing up of some of these notes between top doj officials and the ex-president, it feels like the answer to this question you asked may become known. let me play that again. >> i can't imagine a more critical question. did you have conversations prior to january 6th with the president of the united states urging you to question or
overturn or challenge the election results of 2020? that's a simple question. by the way, no executive -- no executive privilege has been invoked prior to this hearing and your testimony, and you have known you were coming here for over a month. >> congressman, respectfully, i understand your interest in the issue and i have tried to be as forthcoming as i can with regard to the facts of the department of justice. when you ask me about communications with the president, i as a lawyer don't get to make the decision on whether i can reveal private conversations. other people make that decision. >> congressman, attorney general merrick garland has made that decision for mr. rosen. what do you think about what you have seen so far in the form of mr. donohoghue's notes? >> i think it confirms what we have experienced with mr. rosen, which is that he weaved and
dodged to avoid a direct answer to a very simple and direct question. remember, we are talking about a tragedy. we are talking about the worst assault on the u.s. capitol since the british burned it in 1814. we're talking about seven lives being lost, and he hides behind the confidentiality of a conversation, and we now know why he hid behind that confidentiality because the notes of his deputy, mr. donohue, which were contemporaneous notes, clearly document the fact that's precisely what president trump was asking him to do, overturn an election by calling it corrupt. >> congressman, i wonder, you know, behind every trump official who ducks and weaves under direct questions from folks like yourself is someone even worse, and what the notes reveal and the reporting reveals is there was an even worse
scenario. there was an individual in doj trump was pushing to take over should mr. rosen who replaced mr. barr had not heeded his request to declare the result corrupt. i wonder what the scope of your questions are department wide for the department's role in that period between the election and the insurrection? >> yeah, trump's modus operandi was to see the agencies like the department of justice with towedies and sycophants who would do his bidding. mr. rosen was apparently trying to resist that, but subsequently, of course, protect the president from the revelation that, in fact, that's what he was about. he was also clearly being threatened with the implied idea that he could be replaced at any time by somebody who would cooperate with donald trump's attempt to challenge the legality of a free and fair
election. >> congressman, mr. don ohogue's notes name one senator and known allies of the ex-president. there's a narrow denial from one of the individuals. mr. jordan's office says mr. jordan was never involved in a pressure campaign at doj, but no denial of the broader effort to overturn the election. i wonder if you share liz cheney's assessment that he is a crucial witness in the select committee's investigation or other congressional probes into january 6th? >> yeah. jim jordan was one of a very elite group in the congress who had virtually daily communication with donald trump when he was in the white house and probably has it now. jim jordan has been one of the chief conspirator purveyors that the election was corrupt and not valid. it stretches credulity to
believe he was not privy to donald trump's direct attempts to overturn the election and to use the department of justice to do so. so, yes, i believe he is a material witness. whether he will be a reliable witness, will he weave and duck, you know, remains to be seen. but no question his testimony should be demanded and compelled if necessary. >> congressman, stay with us. i want to bring into our conversation neil khatiel. what legal recourse does someone like jim jordan have if he doesn't want to provide truthful and forthcoming testimony to a congressional hearing investigating the deadly insurrection? >> he could try to refutures and i suppose it could go to a congressional subpoena and the like. we could see what happens. he could try to file some sort of court case, but the courts have generally said those are
political questions they stay out of. look, i think if he tried to do that, i think everyone would understand what that's about, which is this guy is afraid of telling the truth just as donald trump was afraid of telling the truth and why he sent his justice department to try to invoke executive privilege. i just want to underscore here, nicolle, where you started today's hour. you know, the reports today show that the president, president trump, talked to high-ranking justice department officials and said, quote, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. i mean that's peak trump. it is vaguely mafioso, wildly camp and inappropriate outside of a 1980s crime drama. it is ridiculous and underscores the gravity of what this january 6th investigation is all about. >> is it illegal, neil? >> if i could add to that? >> go ahead. >> he didn't just say leave it to me. he said leave it to me and the republican congressmen. we have to ask, who do you think
he is talking about. clearly jim jordan is one of those people. >> jim jordan and senator ron johnson and another member of congress from pennsylvania. neil, i want to ask you though, is it illegal? i mean we know from carol leonnig and phil rucker's book that the white house counsel, pat cipollone, was prepared for donald trump to be charged with crimes on january 6th. that did not come to pass, but are these new notes about asking the department to -- they presented evidence that it was a false claim. he then proceeded to demand he declare the election result was corrupt and then, quote, leave it to me, and as the congressman is saying my republican congressmen. did he break a law? >> he very well may have. so, nicolle, a crime recalls two things, an illegal act like conspiring to do something and then also the mental state, and the revelations today make it look -- you know, it is not a
certain slam-dunk and will require more investigation as the january 6th committee and the justice department will independently do, but do suggest that what was going on here was an attempt to steal an election. not because he, like, validly thought he had won the votes. indeed, it is very hard, you know, by january 5th to come up with anything, even in donald trump's, you know, kind of coocoo mind that would suggest he genuinely believed this. so the facts here so far reveal it was an attempted coup, an attempt to steal an election and weaponizing the justice department in the process. that's both illegal and pretty much the most unamerican thing you can come up with in your wild imagination. >> you know, david jolly, i want to bring you into this conversation. peggy newnan becomes the second woman this week to call kevin mccarthy something along the lines of stupid and/or a moron. i wonder if that's harsh enough. i mean he is obstructing an
investigation into the most serious, the most serious -- as the congressman said, the most serious and deadly attack against the building -- it isn't just work in, doesn't just go to work there, and he did less to protect it than people who do, you know, simply go to work there as staffers and other employees. he repeated the lies that incited the violence and now he refuses to join democrats in trying to get to the bottom of it. >> yeah, nicolle. i think it would be foolish to expect kevin mccarthy to act rationally in this moment. kevin mccarthy is scared. jim jordan is scared. leading republicans are scared of what will ultimately come to light through the january 6th commission, and what i mean by that is what was the political network that supported the events of january 6th that ultimately led to the violent insurrection? start with the notes that we saw today. it is easy to look at those
notes and immediately go to the nixonian corruption behavior of donald trump to try to use his department of justice to fix and election, but it is far greater than that. what it does is it further establishes the sequence of the plans leading up to january 6th. all right. so donald trump -- the three sequential elements of donald trump's culpability for the insurrection was first laying the predicate, the big lie. second, issuing the invitation, telling people, come to washington on january 6th. >> right. >> a date no one otherwise would have known to come, and then giving the charge when he gave his speech on that day. what we learned from the notes was just preceding the events of january 6th he wanted his department of justice to announce that the election, indeed, was corrupt. now, the question is, was donald trump acting alone in organizing the events that ultimately were going to lead to january 6th? we know it cannot be the case. ultimately, there was a political network. i think what the commission -- what the select committee could be doing, and i would defer to the congressman on this, i think it is important to begin to
issue subpoenas early because they will be litigated. republicans are not going to cooperate in this. as we saw in the mcgahn litigation, this can take a long time. i think what you do is you identify a republican member, issue the subpoena, if they don't voluntarily testify, begin the litigation so you can have a precedent so you can begin to subpoena other republican members as well. >> congressman, you have been invoked. i wonder if you can speak for your colleagues about when, and if, subpoenas are on their way to some of your colleague? . >> well, i'm not on the committee so i don't dare speak for it, but i do believe that a number of members of the committee including republican liz cheney have said subpoenas should be issued forcefully, swiftly and enforced. i certainly would echo what both of the other panelists have said. i think it is just essential we get to the bottom of this.
i also would echo what was said that i frankly that this is a criminal conspiracy. i believe the contemporaneous notes that were released today by the deputy attorney general at the time clearly reveal out of donald trump's own mouth, the illegal attempt to subvert the election results of a free and fair election. it is the most important election we have ever had, presidential election, and his own admission that he has republican allies in congress who will help him assert that the election was corrupt and overturn it. >> congressman, should they continue to serve in that body if they were, indeed, part of a criminal conspiracy? >> i think we'll have to look at that as we go further down the road. but every one of these complicit members who aided and abetted what i consider to be illegal
attempted subversion of an election result need to be put under oath and are at pain of perjury if they don't tell the truth about their communication and their involvement, their communication with the president and their involvement in this illegal attempt to overturn an election. >> wow. it does certainly feel like a reckoning is heading to washington, long overdue for some of us. congressman, i want to get you on the record on one more topic. the justice department has also reversed a decision that will allow the ways and means committee access to the ex-president's taxes. what to you is the significance of that? the speaker couched it in terms of national security. >> i might have a minority point of view about this, but i don't see this as a great victory. i see it as a signal failure of the system. the law is very clear that the chairman of the ways and means committee and the chairman of the senate finance committee are entitled to look at any american
citizen's tax return, period. that's the law. it took two years to adjudicate this and to get the department of justice to finally agree that, yeah, you're entitled to see those tax returns. meanwhile, of course, the subject of that inquiry is now out of office. the american people were entitled to know while he was in office, and it might have materially affected, by the way, the two impeachments, you know, what is in those tax returns and were laws broken. of course, we're now going to know it, you know, after the fact, which is better than not knowing it. but the timing is everything here, and that timing was lost because the law was not adhered to. >> david jolly, i will give you the last word. >> yeah, i think we're about to learn a lot about the former president, and i think we can expect democrats to continue to seek the truth, republicans continue to obstruct, because at the independent of the day
republicans are worried what culpability will be pointed to given their involvement in the events of january 6th and should there be an issue to the president's taxes, how they insulated him and elevated him and protected the american people from that information as well. >> congressman gerry connolly and david jolly, thank you so much for starting us off this hour. neil is sticking around for a little longer. when we return, it has always been the nightmare scenario, right? these new gop voter suppression laws that also open the door to nullifying votes. in georgia it is about to come true. republicans are moving closer to taking control of elections in the state's most populous county. we will dig deeper into that story next. plus, would we rather end the pandemic or stay loyal to our political tribes regardless of the number of lives that will be lost? for republicans the answer increasingly seems to be curtain number two. infrastructure week was the butt of jokes for four long years under the ex-president. maybe that's why he has tried
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republicans in georgia are moving toward an historic power grab in fulton county. two dozen gop state senators on tuesday requested a performance review of the fulton county election director. that is actually the first step in a potential take-over of the county's electoral process, which could give the gop-led legislature more control over the largest population of democratic voters in that state.
the unprecedented move is allowed under that brand-new sweeping voting law that the georgia legislature passed in april. "the new york times" writes this. quote, under the new law, the state elections board is permitted to replace county election board members after a performance review or investigation, but the new law also restructures the state board, stripping the secretary of state of his authority and giving the legislature the ability to appoint members, including the chair. joining our conversation is the aforementioned "new york times" nick corsini, and neal katyal. this law which resulted in the boycott of the major league baseball baseball game, it seems like eight life times ago, but it was the nightmare scenario. not just restricting access to the poll, but i think you wrote
some of the first stories, describing how they could change who certifies and administers the vote. that is now happening. >> yeah. what we saw yesterday and today with these letters from republican state legislators in georgia is the first in what probably will be a very lengthy process and is by no means guaranteed, but it is the ground work for the possible takeover of the county elections board in fulton county, home to 10% of georgia voters, a large lot of democratic voters. president biden carried it by 72% with about 380,000 votes there. so it is clearly critical for any democrat in georgia running statewide to win fulton county. what the letters did was they started a request for a performance review, and to get that you needed two members from the fulton county delegation in both the senate and the house, and those requests came in. they followed a lot of what we have seen in kind of right-wing media on some of the
disinformation claims about the election. the chain of custody accusation that's been disproven numerous times including at length by gpb and steven fowler, and then also this issue that came up in fulton county where 200 ballots were accidentally counted twice but it was count in the recount, it was fixed and the system worked as it should. still, these legislators are citing these issues that keep getting repeated on right-wing media and have started this review. now, what happens is it goes to the state election board, which is three republicans and one democrat at the moment, and they appoint an independent review which features one member of secretary raffensperger, also a republican, one member of his office and two other county election officials to investigate it. that's going to start a long process that could take as much as a year, but if we play this out and we look right now, you know, it is july and august of 2021. if this takes a year and all of
a sudden we see the takeover in august of 2022, that could be a problem in the mid-terms and in a state with a pretty critical governor's election. >> you know, neal katyal, i know that the justice department has sued over this law, but it is happening already. i mean absent federal voting rights legislation, how do you prevent the republicans who pushed this law, some of them even admitted it was predicated on a lie, that state's republican lieutenant governor said so on cnn, that now is opening the door to what is clearly targeting the largest democratic swath of votes in the state? >> yeah, i mean it is an embarrassment and it is also, nicolle, blatantly illegal, even though the supreme court has gutted major aspects of the voting rights act. even still, i think this law will run afoul of it. both the predicate and the ultimate result of this georgia law is a problem. the predicate is, well, you know, there's cheating going on in fulton county and, you know, we could be charitable to the georgia republicans for a
second. sure, you know, on the one hand the elections were overseen by state monitors, they operated under a consent agreement and they produced no evidence really of wrongdoing outside of this -- nick said those few votes that were reversed. but on the other hand, you know, the democrats won. so i think that's their cause to investigate and pass this law, that the democrats won, and they won by 380,000 votes here. they are using that to try and supplant the entire election system. i mean i think the race element here cannot be disregarded. i think even with conservative courts this is a law that, you know, is deeply problematic. of course, we shouldn't be there, you know, before the supreme court gutted the voting rights act, it would have required preclearance and these changes couldn't have gone into effect without a court first signing off on them. that's what the legislation before congress right now is about, and i think, you know, it deeply needs to be passed for the reasons michael steele was talking about before. but it is illegal start to
finish. >> nick, what happens next? >> so where we are right now is we are looking at an investigative panel that's about to be created by the state elections board that will pull those members, one from the secretary of state's office and two from other county elections' offices around the state. they have a kind of indeterminate amount of time to do an investigation, to try to interview people, look at documents, look at past vote counts, look into these claims that have already been debunked and disproven and shown that the system worked, and that could also be interrupted by upcoming elections. there's a general election in november. there's a mayoral election in atlanta in fulton county and there's a primary next year. that could lead to some delays. once they finish that investigation, they send their report back to the state election board, and the state election board can then make the determination whether they need
to suspend members or suspend the board or not and install their own superintendent. the superintendent has vast power of hiring other people in the county, firing other people in the county with regard to election administration. they could change locations. they could kind of do everything that we saw back, you know, about a month ago when i was reporting on rural county election boards that were starting to be restructured. >> yeah. >> so it carries with it just a great level of concern with regards to the actual administration of elections and where precincts might be. one of the biggest issues in the primary in 2020 in fulton county were these really long lines in some parts of town where there had been pretty significant consolidation of polling locations. so you had people who used to have four different polling centers that they could choose from -- not that they could choose from but were sent to, but now going to one location, ones that continue handle the machines, staff that were poorly trained and it led to a host of issues back then.
with all of that power in something appointed by a state elections board that is three republicans, one democrat, is more behold ento the republican-controlled state legislature than ever before and a republican-controlled state legislature that wrote this law with members that have been espousing some of the conspiracy theories about the 2020 election throughout all of this, it is kindly slowly marching for the potential takeover. it is certainly not guaranteed and we're in unprecedented time. i'm trying to find an expert who could explain in history and say like, this is what normally happens and everyone was like, we just haven't been here before. there's an immense amount of unknown right now, but the process is certainly actually starting right now. >> i mean the parallels are, you know, americans, democratic and republican political operatives, used to go to young democracies and oversee their early elections to make sure exactly what has been put in motion doesn't happen. it is amazing that the
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the vaccine was developed and authorized under a republican administration, and it has been distributed and administered under a democratic administration. the vaccines are safe, highly effective. there's nothing political about them. look at all of the people who took a shot at it. look, this is not about red states and blue states. it is literally about life and death. >> that was president biden yesterday pleading with those unvaccinated americans all across the country to get their shots amid a rising number of cases due to the highly contagious delta variant. in his speech the president applauded a handful of people on the right, people like mitch mcconnell, alabama governor kay ivey and even some unnamed fox news host for their recent appeals to unvaccinated people in the country, attempting to down play the politics that now
surround the vaccine now that it is needed more than ever. with new preliminary data from an internal cdc document showing that the delta variant is as contagious as the chicken pox. but is the president appealing to a demographic that might not exist anymore? has the vaccine already been politicized so much it is too late to change minds, to make a difference? as david graham writes in "the atlantic," quote, the u.s. will eventually come out of this wave of the coronavirus, but we don't know what the cost in lives, money, mental health and more will be. the bitter irony is that many conservative vaccine opponents and skeptics have framed it in the cost of america's freedom. joining us now, marketing and branding expert donnie
you know that we paid tribute to lives during the pandemic, there were almost 300 dying a day and their lives were well-lived as well. they with moms, dads, grandmas and grandpas and none had to die. i wonder how you feel about that, basil, having lost so many yourself? >> it is something i have obviously talked with you quite extensively about. it is concerning. it is concerning about because, you know, i was reading the tribute to senator carl levin who just passed away, and in the tribute it said he was someone who could be respected by both democrats and republicans. i wonder how much longer we will hear tributes like that about folks in congress or individuals who consider themselves leaders in our country, who are politicizing a vaccine, who are creating a culture war around science. you know, as i think about the students that i'm going to see
when i go back to the classroom this fall and we have all of these questions and concerns about just sort of how to interact with each other, are elevators safe, are classrooms safe. as i think about that, i also think about the fact that we've -- many of us already have vaccines, the measles, mumps and rubella. i don't even have a clear idea what rubella is, which is a good thing, right? it is something that we have taken out of our community because of the science. >> yeah. >> and what is so troubling is that as we move forward, as we start looking at our leaders and hopefully continue to look at our leaders for guidance, for support, for a direction and a path forward, we can find a way to come together. but in the way that you were mentioning at the start of the segment, it does seem as if there are more and more people who are so devilishly opposed to
not just the vaccine but just listening to what comes out of certain people's mouths. it is going to put us all in danger, and we feel it and i feel it and i know friends and family feel it every single day. you know, the fact that there are icu units filling up in parts of the south mostly, donnie, these are fellow americans. it is a tragedy. at this point it doesn't have to be this way. i wonder if you think about the fact that even death and sickness and suffering doesn't break the addiction to disinformation, you know, to the bigger question on the table, will anything? >> yeah, i actually do think there is something. i have been talking about this a couple of weeks, and biden laid a foundation of it. when he got up there and he talked about pay homage, he said, look, this was developed by the republicans, he is walking right into the fact that it is political. let's politicize it more. i have been saying, and i don't
say this glibly, let's call it the trump vaccine. sarah huck by sanders came out with an op-ed that said that. in the op-ed piece she didn't refer to science, she referred to trump ten times. we know who is not getting it. we know 90% of democrats have been vaccinated, only 54% of republicans. let's walk into the political aspect and say, hey, this is trump's vaccine. you know, if you are a trumper and you are part of this cult, this is -- give him credit. go overboard and say, you know what? we're administering it but he -- project warp speed, this is the trump vaccine. brand it that way, give him the credit, anything that will save lives. i actually think that would be effective because, once again, it is not a left-brain thing at this point. you are not going to sway them with any facts. play right into the fearless leader, the cult leader, say it is his vaccine. that would work. let's really politicize it. >> well, i mean, basil, if they're willing to take a flag and beat a police officer with it, you would think they would
be willing to take a life saving vaccine. i noted in the last segment that two women this week have called kevin mccarthy some variation of an idiot. nancy pelosi called him a moron and peggy noonan called him stupid. let me show you tim ryan sort of expanding on the stupidity of republicans around being asked to put masks back on in light of the new data, new information about the contagious nature of the delta variant. here is congressman tim ryan. >> i may not be from a hot spot. the speaker may not be from a hot spot. speaker pelosi may not be from a hot spot. somebody in this chamber is coming from a hot spot. somebody represents the hot spots, and they get on a plane and they fly here and they interact with all of us. i just find it absolutely immature and appalling to somehow diminish it, to try to
score cheap political points. that's exactly what we saw a few minutes ago. that is beneath a minority leader of one of the major political parties in the united states of america, saying we should take no caution that someone from a hot spot is working in this chamber and could potentially get someone infected that could go home to a sick parent or immune promised kid. that is beneath us. that is beneath us. >> he's so spot on there, basil. and, again, i just -- i keep coming back to this question. are we too broken to beat the coronavirus pandemic? >> it seems like we are stuck in a soda war, right? that's the only way that i could sort of visualize it and think about it, that people have taken a side, so diametrically owe
opposed to the other side. i saw on social media doctors and nurses with patients very sick and close to death with covid and perhaps the new variant saying, can i take the vaccine now? they're like, no, it is too late. i do fear and it does concern me that we are too broken and too divided to really -- to get this right. the longer we do this, the longer our economy is going to take to get back up and running. in new york we are talking about opening, reopening broadway again with some vaccine and mask stipulations there. so, you know, we all have a role that we have to play, and it is clear that some have abdicated that responsibility. there is no longer a "we," it is a "me." that's devastating. that's devastating for both the
country and our sort of global economy for us to all just sort of get back to business and get back to work. >> it is an unbelievable dynamic. donnie and basil are sticking around with us because when we come back, as hard as trump tried to avoid it he just couldn't. infrastructure week happened and it was a roaring success. that story is next.
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"infrastructure week" was just a running joke about the trump white house. every week was infrastructure week. trump era policy directives destined for failure. today in a procedural vote the senate advanced a bipartisan $550 billion package for stuff like roads, rail, transit. and if everything holds, chuck schumer says the bill could be completed this weekend, meaning president biden could be signing an infrastructure bill into law within days. it would be a major, major victory for the biden agenda. or, as he joked, irony, it is infrastructure week. biden's imminent achievement might have touched a nerve nor the ex-president who was unable to pull off anything substantial on infrastructure. in the same way an embarrassed toddler might lash out trump is seeking to torpedo the deal. even today he released the latest in a series of statements
condemning the bipartisan achievement, calling the proposal a carrot for socialist expansion. we are back with donny and basil. donny, this is like shots in arms, check is in the mail. we now have bridges, roads, whatever public transit you rely on in your neighborhood, and it will all be better because of this white house. >> it is ironic trump calling it socialism because his infrastructure plan had even more spending on it. look, you just said it, nicolle. this is an administration about administration of getting it done. it is relief from covid and shots in the arms and economy that's moving and legislation that's working. it is stuff that people -- you can't get anymore kitchen table than building roads and bridges and making sure their water is clean and stuff like that and the fact that it is bipartisan is so huge. i go back to the previous segment when biden started out and trying to get people vaccinated and getting credit on the other side. americans 80% of us live in that
middle zone where we want and every piece of research shows it. we want both sides to work together. i think is political victory had the administration gotten more stuff through, is okay it is a little bit left. what's the news of the day for trump? him telling doj is a corrupt election and taking dubs overall this. it is a tale of two parties. >> big win for the white house and the country. >> absolutely right. if you are talking about infrastructure and spending. you had disinvestments in our cities between the lbj years and let's say the carter and early clinton years when you really started to see more spending in cities, it is never really going to be enough. there is going to be a gap. the key is this is a first step and you are right. it is bridges and tunnels and it is high speed rail which we
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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi nicole. i am ari melber. we have this breaking news, donald trump overthrows the election and the government. all of this enabled by republican lawmakers. some of this may sound familiar. i am going to show you why it is new. the new york times has the