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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  July 29, 2021 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT

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with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. you will be speaking to a old friend of mine tonight, it suggests that you will be talking at least about the economic implications on these two big bills that the senate is looking to deal with both the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the much make a reconciliation bill. >> -- has a genuine congressional scholar to check my enthusiasm for what we saw in the senate last night and today. it seems, from my perspective, ali, the infrastructure bills on both tracks seem to be going shockingly smoothly. the bipartisan bill is even on more solid ground today than it was yesterday. mitch mcconnell's support now is pretty strong, where yesterday it was a vote and a surprising vote. now he has voiced his support, in a very strong way. i am surprised at how well it's
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going. it's very complex, and to track thing they're trying to do, never done before. i have to check with norm. am i getting ahead of this, there is just really going as well as i think? >> a wise thing to do. i often use norm for the same things. i look forward to the show, have yourself a good evening. >> thank you, ali. 24 hours after the senate's big bipartisan vote in favor of biden infrastructure bill, the enormity of the victory for president biden, appears to be even more solid than it did with last night 67 votes in favor of the bill. you judge the -- strength of pending legislation not with the words of its most ardent supporters, but by the words of people who could kill the legislation if they really tried. that's what makes the words mitch mcconnell said today, all
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the more important. mitch mcconnell entered the senate at the age of 20, two as an intern, with kentucky's republican senator john sherman cooper. mitch mcconnell return to the senate as a staffer 1960 after law school. for his first 20 years as a senator mitch mcconnell proved the general rule, that former senate staffers become, if not the greatest thinkers in the senate, certainly among the most capable legislatures in the senate. the most responsible legislators in the senate, when and if they get elected to the senate. mitch mcconnell was no one's enemy in the senate in those first 20 years. he was a concert republican senator, who took governing reasonably seriously. he respected senate norms, as chairman of the senate after committee in the 19 nineties,
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he recommended the expulsion of a republican committee chairman for sexual harassment. he forced that republican chairman to resign from the senate. then, in 2000, five mitch mcconnell became the republican leader of the senate and everything changed for mitch mcconnell. the last fully honorable thing mitch mcconnell did in the senate was in 2006 when he proudly voted to reauthorize the voting rights act. then, with the obama presidency came mitch mcconnell's vowed to block barack obama's election by trying to block every single thing on president obama's agenda in the united states senate. instead of using his powers as senate majority leader to tame donald trump he became his errand boy. mitch mcconnell had become the most dangerously malevolent senate leader in history.
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he fought to preserve the trump presidency into impeachment trials when he knew donald trump was guilty as charged. it has been inexplicable for those who knew the response of mitch mcconnell of his first 20 years to watch him destroy as the leader. none of us were ready for the apparent reappearance of the old mitch mcconnell, the one we used to know. it happened last night when mitch mcconnell became one of the 17 republicans voting to proceed in the infrastructure bill. people who could not believe that mitch mcconnell is actually supporting biden and bipartisan infrastructure bill and they immediately pointed out that it was merely a procedural vote and it didn't mean mitch mcconnell was going to vote for the bill in the end but, in the 21st century senate
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the procedural votes have become the real votes on the legislation. it used to be common for some sanity's considering a bill and then having to consider the bill votes against the bill. mitch mcconnell himself destroyed that practiced by making sure that all republican -- would always vote no on any procedural votes. and the 21st century, voting yes on the merely procedural vote, almost always means voting yes on the bill itself. this morning, mitch mcconnell finally spoke about his yes vote last night and sounded very much like the old mitch mcconnell, who is ready to vote for this legislation and watch joe biden sign this bill into law. >> yesterday i joined a number of my republican and democratic colleagues, and voted to begin for a consideration of bipartisan compromise
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legislation for our nation's infrastructure. our country would benefit a whole lot from some targeted investment in the real tangible projects that fit a common sense definition of actual infrastructure. roads, bridges, ports, waterways, excuse me, airports, broadband, bipartisan to finance these kinds of expenditures is going to be big and complex. it is guaranteed to be the kind of legislation that no member on either side of the aisle, we'll think it is perfect. but it is an important basic duty of government. i am glad to see these discussions making progress, i was happy to vote to begin moving the senate toward white ought to be a robust bipartisan
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for process for legislation of this magnitude. >> this is the kind of focus compromise that our colleagues have been hashing out and could not contrast more sharply with the multi trillion dollar spending spree is that democrats hope to go through on a party line vote later this year. >> so, of course, he's opposed to the democrats only bill but, above this legislation, the bipartisan bill, he voted yes for it and he just said it is guaranteed to be kind of the legislation that no member on either side of the aisle will think it is perfect but it's an important basic duty of government. a version of that very sentence has been said about important legislation by all of the very best senate leaders. that is one senate leadership is supposed to sound like and it is stunning on two levels -- one, that it is coming from the
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worst senate leader i have ever seen, and to, that it shows you how solidly on track the senate bipartisan bill is tonight. a bill that many senate observers thought was falling apart earlier this week, just two, three days ago. today, senate majority leader chuck schumer was complex with his two track strategy in the senate is working perfectly, so far. he said this. >> it's been my goal to passport the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and a budget resolution during this work period. some pundits have called this a tile order. i understand that. but because of the vote last night, the senate is now moving forward with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and we are on track to pass both elements of the two track strategy before we adjourn for august
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recess. it took some prodding, and a few deadlines, but it all has worked out for the better. >> once again, yesterday, donald trump attacked the then nine republican senators who had put their names on a public announcement that they were ready to vote to proceed to the bipartisan bill. there are only nine of them who made that announcement. yesterday, donald trump attacked them calling them quote, weak, foolish, and dumb. when the votes were counted last night, there were 18. 18 republicans defying donald trump in favor of the bill. one of those republicans, senator rounds was absent, and unable to vote so they recorded a vote that showed only 17 republican votes for the bill last night on the senate. the leader of the republican negotiating team, senator rob portman wrote appeasement today in the wall street journal praising the bill. while he was at it, he went out of his way to say this -- of his way to say this -
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that was senator portman's way of pointing out that a republican president, whose party had control of the house and the senate, and was unable to pass an infrastructure bill, must have been weak, foolish, and dumb. leading off our discussion, a contractual -- norm or seen. and john howell, it an nbc national affairs analyst and host of the hell and high-water podcast. norm orange dean, what are you seeing when you look at this action in the senate, am i getting carried away with my notion that this bill is so solidly on track? >> i am glad you at least caution that this is the worst senate leader you had ever seen.
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>> yeah. >> well, can we hold it for a second -- i did not praise him. i merely reported what he has done and what he has said, and it does fit the language today into the language of good senate leaders that -- i can't let the word praise be used with mitch mcconnell. >> i accept that. it was like we were in a hot tub time machine and went back a moment. mcconnell did this because politically, it would've been disastrous for republicans if he had not, and all the senators including portman who ignored donald trump's attempt to sabotage this bill, know that if they killed it, two things would happen. would've would have a giant infrastructure bill and it would only be democrats taking credit for things that are
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popular across the country, and second, it would've added to the impetus for possible filibuster reform. put all that aside, this is a gigantic accomplishment. this bill is far from perfect. the fact that the to get the irs funding to go after tax sheets is absolutely shameful that they cut some of the funding for mass transit and it is not great. there are other things we can't really think very highly of. but this is a solid bill that will do a lot on the physical infrastructure and it sets the groundwork for the bigger one. as we said multiple times, if we get both of these bills along with the american rescue plan and we are just starting to see some progress and voting reform that makes it possible, we are talking about fdr territory john. >> it can go into the budget
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resolution and can be done and that's what bernie sanders now in the budget committee and others are looking at. what won't slip out of here that can be patched out of the democrats only bill. and the good politics of this for the republicans who did vote for it, it's such an important point but getting the other party to see that your politics are also good politics for at least some of them, does take political skill that joe biden and chuck schumer share. >> yeah, lawrence. there is never anything that i ever want to disagree with that norm says. just put me down is a big plus one on everything he just said to begin with but -- i do think, you know, there are a couple of points that bear repeating. e arwe come back to them when we talk about legislative stuff on this program and one of them is that we have both talked about the complexity of this two track process and i remember
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months ago you when i comparing notes and thinking there is around a 20 30% chance it could work because it was such an incredible complicated trying to land these two planes and build these plants simultaneously while they're taking off on the landing and landed on the two runways it would be hard to pull off. in the end, when the histories written, the fact that joe biden had all those years in the united states senate it will be important part of that. the last step is not a done deal. there is complexity and still progressives and republicans who can decide later that if the political calculus changes, we know mcconnell is only into everything always is going to be about what's best for his politics and reaching control of the senate. in the end, i have never seen a degree of coordination between a white house, a senate, and house leadership as tight as
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the one between joe biden, nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer's chops and i think again, just like the tactical question, that strategic question and the discipline of that goes all back to what joe biden learned about how to move complicated budget legislation in his senate. he is a legislative person, we are beginning to see just the first fruits of that fact. >> it also includes, importantly, his first years as a by -- vice president and learning how much this has changed and they are not the republicans who used to deal with. let's listen to what joe manchin said about the prospects of this bill. >> we have 68, my grounds cannot be there. if you count my grounds -- and i think once people see the contents of the legislation, it could be a lot more. >> and norman ornstein, jon tester said something like that yesterday he said he actually thinks there should be more than 60 votes when you get to actually voting on this bill. >> it wouldn't surprise me that
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we are up around 80, which would be excellently astonishing given what we've seen with interaction between the parties and -- in the past. and mcconnell's pledge that he would be against anything joe biden would want to do. we have to keep in mind, the next time we get to this it will be tricky. it's not only getting through the senate where a lot of progressives are unhappy with what's been left out, it's that christian cinema who was a major negotiator on all this -- kristen cinema has dashed water on the three and a half million dollar plan that is accomplished itself in the senate. they're gonna make some adjustments. when i look at this team, the one john was talking about, even the white house, team dean, spiraling at least terrell, the liaison with congress, pete buttigieg, working hand in glove with those senators and making the outrage to the host congress of -- as, well they will point something out and get the votes
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for. and pelosi is the one who can get all of those house progressives to go along with it. house and there is steve ricchetti who has been doing this work for decades with the white house. the experience level is as good -- better than we've ever seen in the contrast with the administration is just a joke. norman ornstein, john heilemann the thank you for starting us off tonight. appreciate. it the deeply disturbed republican congressman mel brooks now says he was marrying -- wearing body armor when he was cheering insurrectionists at the trump rally on january six before the attack on the capital and, the justice department says it will not defend mo brooks in the lawsuit against him for what he did that day. harvard law professor joins us next. sor joins us next and one we explore. one that's been paved
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brooks of alabama has continuously denounced the investigation into the january 6th attack on the capital, which he urged to happen. congressman brooks has said, he didn't believe any riot would turn violent but, yesterday, he told a reporter that he actually was tipped off about potential violence he says, and he also said, i was warned on monday there might be risks associated with the next few days, this meaning that week in january january 6th and as a consequence of those warnings, i did not go to my condo, instead i slept on the floor of my office. -- just 24 hours after receiving comment about his wearing body
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armor, on the day that the trump mob became so violent, mo brooks has amended, revised his remarks, for wearing the body armor by telling a cnn reporter that he often wears body armor and his wife has wanted him to wear body armor because he has been threatened before he said, you take the necessary precautions just like you might bring an umbrella when it's raining. congressman brooks is being sued by eric swalwell who has accused brooks of inciting violence at the capitol that day by urging the protesters to start taking down names and kicking us, which they certainly did try to do. congressman brooks sought to dismiss the case against him, arguing he is amused -- immune from the west fall act which protects federal officials acting within the scope of their employment this week, the department of justice
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rejected that notion that congressman brooks was acting in his official capacity, and if -- refused to defend him in court. joining our discussion is laurence tribe, professor at harvard law school.
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he won 35 cases in the supreme court. thank you for joining us tonight. the dishes -- justice's decision on the brooks case, does that have any impact on how they might approach donald trump as a civil defendant in the same kind of lawsuits? >> it certainly does, lawrence. the justice department's brief not only said that it is no part of the job of any congress person to attack congress to incite insurrection, it pointedly said it is no part of any federal employees job to do any of those things that inciting an unruly, partly armed, and violent mob, to kick ass and take names, is well beyond this fear of any federal
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employees official duties. it is therefore not immune from liability, especially under the so-called club -- ku klux klan apt, which is part of the lawsuit and that passed right back into the 18 sixties, important parts, and one part says if you work with other people to interfere with the performance of the governments functions, if you conspire, that is, to undo the workings of government, you are going to be liable. the other part, very important as to donald trump, it says if you have the power to prevent an ongoing interference, especially a violent one, with the functions of the government, and do not use that power, or negligent and turn the other way, as we saw donald trump do
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when he and his family were watching it on a tv screen as the riot went on, then you are liable for damages to those you injure. and those -- in this case, it would include congressman swalwell who feared for his life, but also a number of the capitol police who are also suing. this is an important development, not only for mail-in brooks -- mo bricks, i don't wanna estimate his importance, but he's not the biggest fish in the pond. it's a terribly important issue for the accountability for the guy who organized a lot of what went on that day, and did nothing to stop it as people were being crushed, crushed almost to death, in some cases. >> on that point that you raised, the elm to the lawsuit that is involving the president doing absolutely nothing while the attack was going on, we have now an increasing body of
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discovery, of a sort, through these new books that are coming out detailing that day, and what donald trump was doing that day. that material is now all available to the lawyers in the swalwell lawsuit, that can use that as the basis for subpoenas for people like ivanka trump, who is reported in that book and when some of the books as having gone to her father repeatedly to say, you have got to do something. he didn't do anything. and others in the manipulation they were trying to do and they were specifically -- there's were sports of donald trump refusing really actively to do something. all of that can be taken and lifted out of what is now the book context, and put in under oath depositions from the witnesses who are participating in that, as this lawsuit comes forward. isn't that what we will see in the governing process? >> exactly. we will certainly see this very
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powerful committee that nancy pelosi has put together that includes, people like liz cheney, adam kinzinger, and of course adam schiff. jamie raskin, a number of others as well and it's a committee that will hear evidence directly from some of the people who were in communication with the white house. at the time, jim jordan can't quite remember whether he didn't talk to the president, or did talk to the president during that time. he is going to have to refresh his memory and the justice department has made clear that executive privilege is not going to be available in many of these cases. we are witnessing the unraveling of the cover-up of the worst insurrection since the civil war in the history of this country. this is serious. it will not end well for donald trump although, he is --
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has squeezed out of all fixes before. i wouldn't underestimate it. he is a very slippery eel. >> professor laurence tribe, thank you for joining us on the discussion tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming, up president biden is now working on a new legislative strategy for voting rights. zerlina maxwell and james howell will join our discussion next. next
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logistician on track in the senate the president is turning to voting rights. new york times reports that tomorrow the president will meet with senate majority chuck schumer and nancy pelosi to discuss their priorities faltering efforts to pass major voting rights legislation, according to two congressional aides familiar with the plans. the meeting comes as senate democrats are inching closer to finalizing a revised version of the democrat sweeping election bill, the for the people act
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that could be released within days. yesterday several senators including raphael warnock and joe manchin met inside senate majority leader schumer's office in washington as the washington post reports to hash out the details of the bill which is expected to at least partially incorporate a framework assembled by senator joe manchin. today, senator warnock said he is encouraged by that meeting with democrats focus on getting something passed to protect voting rights. >> passing voting rights in my view is the most important thing we can do in this congress. now i know that there are a lot of pressing issues but the american houses, the house is built by democracy, if we don't preserve our democracy, strengthen peoples access to it then we will not have done our job. >> the texas democrats are still in washington urging lawmakers to pass federal legislation on voting rights
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today. some of the texas democrats testified to a house oversight subcommittee. >> i'm here because this is the seat of democracy and my people who i represent have a right to be able to vote, unabridged, just like on a few. >> the manager target has more latitude to protect the customers then elections judge in texas would to protect voters under this bill. >> this is a practical implication that is going to disenfranchise hundreds and thousands of votes of texans. that's why we're here. we tried to work with our counterparts but every amendment that we presented was declined. >> joining us now zerlina maxwell host of the program zerlina, which airs on peacock, and john heilemann is back with us. zerlina, as soon as the infrastructure bill seems to be firmly on track, the president is turning to voting rights. >> well, i think that senator warnock is right when he says
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that voting rights is the most important thing this congress can do, and while all of these other issues are incredibly important, our access to the ballot box to be able to shape the policies that we would like to see as voters, that is essential. you can't get anything you want if you don't have that access. i think that with the demographic shifts happening in this country, it's not a coincidence, lawrence, that you see some of the most restrictive bills happening in states where the majority's are turning it to latin ex-population, for example in a state like texas. or the latinx vote is growing in a state like arizona. and so, all of this stuff is coinciding with the democratic shifts. demographics aren't destiny in terms of democrats winning elections. because they attract those voters if those voters do not have access to the ballot box those voters gave the democrats the majority in the senate and it would be a shame for those
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democrats are protect those ballots for the same committees. >> none of the voting rights bill that have been considered by the congress include any provisions about how the votes are counted, which is one of the new threats to voting rights and the new georgia law has, the texas law had it there and then they took it out. but there is this whole republican attempt to change what happens after votes are cast did. this is part of the new negotiation that the democrats are working on now. let's listen to what senator manchin said about that. let's listen to wh at senator manchin said about>> i've told e bottom line is that we should basically dedicate ourselves to a voting piece of legislation, it is the voting rights act of 1965, the john lewis voting rights act that we've been working on it, and they were down to taking care and protecting the polling place so that people have a right to vote and protect the right to vote and make sure that they have that vote and make sure it's counted properly. that's all. it's not gonna be an overwhelming, overreaching, overarching bill. it's going to be based on the
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lines of the voting rights act and protection. >> are you going to change your mind about the filibuster? >> no, i've been very respectful about that, they know where i'm at. >> john, joe manchin has said many things about the so-called filibuster rule including being open to change it in various ways, but key thing in there he talked about the votes are counted, and that is something that he is concerned about and that is something the texas democrats are concerned about. >> it's something we all should be concerned about. i think of all of these issues that are raised by these bills around the country, the questions related to what happens after the votes or count today, not access -- there's a lot of important issues but we've gotten sidetracked by questions like of water in lines, and even questions related to voter i.d. in that type of thing, the things that would have overturn the 2020 election would have
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been giving politicized bodies the ability to run the administration on the backhand. who controls the counting room, if republicans have had that kind of power, political power in georgia and in other places, arizona, pennsylvania, these key battleground states we ulha had all trumpy successful and stealing the election. a lot of these laws have provision that would make that kind of change. i think it's under the category of, they call it election subversion, that's the new category of negotiation that these voting rights from the senate is all about. i think it's ball game, i think republicans understand that if they control the counting rooms and the counting process that is the way in which they can systematically undermined democracy in the most profound way. we saw it on display on the threat of 2020. and any bill the democrats take up in the senate or in the house or in congress or in these coming months if it
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doesn't address this issue it misses the point. >> before it was written, it was run before the election, long before we saw these new republican legislative proposals and zerlina, we see that george is already acting on that new law and they're basically trying to pull the vote counting process away from fulton county, in a major democratic county. the republican strategy seems to be, we don't care how many of you show up, we're gonna try to suppress that. but if you do conquer and you show up, we're going to be counting and we redo the counting, you're not gonna like what happens. >> it's rigging the game on the front end and back hand. it's making sure that no matter what happens, what wave of people show up to say we don't want these people in office, it
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won't matter because you will have your folks in place playing the referees, i hate the sports analogies but they work here in helping folks understanding what's happening. and i think republicans actually have overplayed their hand, i think that the momentum is on the democratic side if the biden white house is willing to take this step and be aggressive on voting rights, and i think that relying on the activism and organizing of voting rights advocates is the wrong approach. i think going forward they should say those voting rights advocates organized and got people to show up to put us in power and now it is our job to utilize that power to protect the votes of those folks, and that's the only thing that matters in this game. >> we'll see what happens in this meeting serling a maxwell and john heilemann, thank you both for joining us in this discussion. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up.
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vaccinated were transmitting the disease to other vaccinated people. the person says the data was deeply disconcerting and a canary in the coal mine for scientists who had seen the data. in arkansas the mother of 13 year old says that because of misinformation she did not get herself or her daughter vaccinated. her daughter tested positive for covid-19, and was hospitalized. spitalized >> it's very hard not knowing if she's going to come home anymore or not. it's heartbreaking. i wish i would've made better choices for her. i had a false sense of security that it was just like the flu. i just want people to get their kids their shot. everyone should just get the shot, it's a better route to than the one we are in. >> joining us now dr. ashish k. jha, dean of the brown university school of public health and doctor when james
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e.k. hildreth ceo of medical college and an infectious disease specialist. let me begin with you, here in tennessee which has a low vaccination rate, it's 39.1% of people 18 years and older we are now learning tonight that even among the vaccinated, the dangers of the delta variant are greater than we thought. what is this going to mean for tennessee? >> lawrence, thank you, good to be with you again, i think what it means for tennis is that we need to be more vigilant, and redouble our efforts to get people vaccinated. this is not the same virus that we started with back in january of 2020, it's clearly a different virus and i do agree that we have to be, we have to have a much more concerted effort to fight this virus because it is so easily transmitted. and you know, as long as the infections remain low, i think
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we can keep doing what we're doing, but we have to be more vigilant about this virus because it is not the same virus that we've been concerned about. >> doctor ashish k. jha, this makes perfect sense, this is a new variant infecting, it's like a new weapon being created during the war, and of course it changes the situation and yet there is so much discussion that i have seen on television, among people who take this seriously who are shocked and amazed that we may have to wear masks again for good reason, just as you may have to wear gloves again this winter if your hands get cold. at some point, this babying of the talk to americans about how to take care of themselves, it crosses a line of just utter lulu christmas. >> hi lawrence, thank you for
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having me back as well. the virus keeps changing. the pandemic has changed from last year, it's a different virus. if we decide that we're going to deploy the same tactics no matter what the virus does, that would be really dumb, that would not get us where we need to go, the cdc has looked at the data, the facts and said this virus is behaving differently. there's more transmission happening among vaccinated people not a lot but some, and said, we want to make different recommendations for how people should behave. that is exactly what we want federal agencies to do, we want them to respond to evidence and change policy when the evidence and data changes. and doctor hildreth, this happens all over the practice of medicine, you have people recovering from boeing fractures who go from crutches to kane, then they struggle with a cane and the doctor might say let's move back and try this -- people have had experiences
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with this kind of adjustment and medical recommendation throughout their own medical histories but suddenly, america is playing dumb, and saying wait a minute, you said i didn't need a mask a few weeks ago, how dare you say i need a mask now. how do you bear this rank ignorance that is being spewed everywhere in reaction to this? >> well, lawrence, i agree with doctor jha, the science is not evolving, the virus is evolving and it gives me great comfort that the health leaders are responding to how the virus is changing. i think people should understand that science is not truth it's the pursuit of truth, and the truth is, as we now know it, that this virus is evolving. virus mutates and evolve, this one is no different. i'm encouraged that our leaders are making changes, are making recommendations based on how the virus is evolving.
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i think it's an important point that people need to understand. >> and doctor jha, in cancer treatment, for example, there are setbacks, there are times when doctors think we got it, we think are cancer free now, a year later, sometime later, cancers back and those patients don't say to their doctors, i am not coming back for cancer treatment, you told me my cancer was gone. i'm not gonna come back for cancer treatments. that is what those people are doing when they are complaining about having to put a mask back on. >> yeah, in some ways, lawrence, we had predicted this in the sense that we knew that while the pandemic was raging around the world, while most of the world's unvaccinated wall a third of americans are unvaccinated, that we're going to see things like this. we're going to see more dangerous versions. absolutely. this is not necessarily the last variant that we will deal with. people have to buckle in and
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get vaccinated and if we do, if we get 90 plus percent of americans vaccinated we can put this thing behind us, but until that happens we should expect changes in the virus leading to change in policy. >> all right doctor ashish k. jha and doctor james hildreth, thank you for being more patient in your discussion of this then i personally can muster. thank you very much. >> thank you, lawrence. >> tonight's last word is next. ast word is next ♪ rock the boat don't tip the boat over ♪ here we go. ♪ rock the boat don't rock the boat, baby ♪ ♪ rock the boat ♪ see disney's jungle cruise. it's time to rock the boat, america. still fresh unstopables in-wash scente. booster downy unstopables trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high you know how i feel ♪
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