tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 29, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
tonight, let's celebrate usa olympian suni lee, now the women's gymnastics all around champion. the first hmong-american to win at the olympics. her dad has supported gymnastics from the very beginning, when he couldn't afford a balance beam for sunni, he built her a homemade version in the backyard. that wouldn't be missed ill there today. that is our broadcast for this thursday night, with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. goodnight. >> rachel is on a much deserved vacation, this was the announcement in the newspaper two days after christmas in 1901. under an all caps headline,
vaccination in boston. quote, notwithstanding the fact that some 400,000 people have been vaccinated in boxing since january the 1st, the board of health ordered that all the inhabitants of this city be vaccinated or re-vaccinated forth with. they explain that although there is been a remarkable cooperation throughout the city, the medical profession and the people in general having acquiesced to a most remarkable extend in its request for vaccination. it is necessary, in order to stamp out the smallpox epidemic that all persons not protected by vaccination or re-vaccination shall be vaccinated, end quote. this is about the deadly boston smallpox epidemic of 1901, it killed hundreds of people. it would also turn out to be boston's very last smallpox outbreak, because cases kept climbing despite high vaccination rates, the health department mandated that everyone in boston get a vaccine. doctors went door to door with
vaccines, look at this illustration from the boston globe. this is january 20th 1902. about a month after the health department announced the mandate. quote, about 10,000 vaccinated in south boston. board of health had 115 physicians at work. below that, it illustrates what each of these doctors carried with them, alcohol, cotton, several boxes of vaccine points. the boxes probably looked something like this, smallpox vaccine was administered using a point made of ivory or bone with a little bit of virus on the end. doctors went healths to house vaccinating people, as illustrated by the boston globe. here's one woman getting the vaccine surrounded by her small children. the caption reads, protecting mama. anyone who refused the vaccine would be five five dollar. and you see part of the headline of the illustrations,
the board of health quote intends to bring those who refuse into court. that is exactly what ended up happening. a local pastor refused to be vaccinated. he refused to pay the five dollar fine and he took his case all the way to the supreme court of the united states, and he lost. in its opinion the supreme court wrote, there is of course a sphere within which the individual may assert the supremacy of his own will, and rightfully dispute the authority of any human government especially of any free government existing under a written constitution. but it is equally true that in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members, the rights of the individual and respects to its liberties may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to restraint to be -- as the city of the general public may demand.
the boston smallpox epidemic produce a precedent about what the government is allowed to do in the name of public health. and also the vaccine mandate in boston worked. you can see from this chart, the cases in boston peaked in december of 1901, at the end of that month to help department announced the vaccine mandate and from there the cases came steadily down from their peak until the very last few cases were documented in the spring of 1903. now, it bears mentioning that boston's response to the smallpox epidemic ended supreme court ruling upholding it were far from perfect. public health authorities in boston for instance vaccinated people forcibly in some cases, especially in immigrant and disadvantaged communities. they had to be further judicial intervention to clarify that that was not acceptable. the supreme court decision upholding public health mandate was later cues to defend for sterilization.
what they've always evolved and hopefully we get better at this stuff overtime. just to be clear, no matter what your uncle who watches fox news is telling you, no one from the federal government is coming to your house to force a covid vaccine onto, you are into you. the fundamental lesson of that boston smallpox epidemic still stands, both in american law and in our general sense of what we owe to each other as members of a shared society. the government can take reasonable steps to acquire people to get vaccinated against a virus that threatens the health and safety of our fellow citizens. today, president biden announced that all federal workers and contractors will be required to get a covid vaccine, or they will have to undergo regular testing, wear masks at all times, socially distance and be prohibited from traveling to work. biden said that the defense department, the world's largest employer will look into how and when the covid vaccine should be required for all service members. and the president announced new
paid time off for employees and their families to get vaccinated. he also encouraged states to start offering a 100 dollar incentive for unvaccinated people to get the vaccine. r >> all the cases, hospitalizations and deaths due to covid-19 today are from unvaccinated people. last month a study showed that over 99% of covid-19 deaths had been among and unvaccinated population. 99%. this is an american tragedy. people are dying and will die who don't have to die. if you're out there on vaccinated you don't have to die. read the news. you'll see stories about unvaccinated patients in hospitals. as they're lying in bed dying from covid-19, they're asking doc, can i get the vaccine? and the doctors have to say sorry, it's too late.
right now, too many people are dying, or watching someone they love die and say if i just got vaccinated, if i just -- it's heartbreaking. and it's complicated even more because it's preventable. >> and so the president took this major step today announcing a vaccine mandate for federal employees and contractors, and the federal government employs a lot of people. this order will have an impact just in terms of raw numbers. but it's worth hearing something that the president said after his prepared remarks, answering a question from the press. >> why not push for vaccine mandates in states, private companies, schools? do you want to see those entities pass vaccine mandates? >> well, i would like to see them continue to move in that direction. that's why i've pointed out, i had asked the justice
department to determine whether they are able to do that, legally. and they can. local communities can do that, local businesses can do that. it's still a question of whether the federal government can mandate the whole country. i don't know that yet. can mandat>> so first of all the president are appearing to leave the door open for a national vaccine mandate at some point, which seems like a big deal. but also he says he hopes the private entities will follow his lead that more places will start requiring vaccines. some of the country's most high-profile companies have already started to follow suit. google. facebook and twitter. delta airlines. netflix. sacks fifth avenue. the washington post. uber and lyft. they're all instituting vaccine requirements when their employees return to the office. the state of california, new york state, new york city, they rolled out vaccination requirements for government workers. meanwhile, there is new evidence that the spread of delta, the delta variant and the rising cases of hospitalizations and deaths may
itself be spring more people to get vaccinated. yesterday half 1 million americans got their first vaccine shot. that's the highest daily number in all of july. and the states with the highest case rates have seen an uptick in vaccination rates in the past week. but vaccines are still not getting into arms fast enough. today, for the first time there union pulled ahead of the united states ahead of its vaccination number. they have gone doses to a higher number of their population that america has, which is remarkable when you consider that the united states have had way more vaccine doses for way longer than the european union. but here we are, with the world health organization reporting that the united states had the highest number of new covid cases in the world last week. and now, new worrying news breaking just tonight. the washington post has obtained an eternal cdc document that says that the delta variant of covid-19, not only spreads much more easily
than other variants, but may cause more severe illness as well. the post writes tonight quote, the document is an internal centers for disease control and prevention slide presentation, shared within the cdc. the document strikes an urgent note revealing that the agency knows it must revamp its public messaging to emphasize that vaccination is the best offense against the variant so contagious that it acts almost like a different novel virus. leaping from target to target more swiftly than ebola, or the common cold. it's a combination of recently unpublished data from outbreak investigations an outside study showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. and quote. the post reports that there is still unpublished data, and it's behind the cdc's decision
to change mask guidance this week calling for a masking indoors in certain public settings, even for vaccinated people. but the cdc still has not made this data public. here's one slide from the cdc presentation published by the post tonight. it's summarizes the findings of the delta variant this way. delta is different from previous strains. highly contagious, likely more severe, breakthrough infections may be asked transmittable as unvaccinated cases. another slide says quote, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the delta variant, and on a slide title next steps for cdc it's as quote, a good knowledge the war has changed. joining us now is one of the reporters who broke this story tonight, washington post health policy reforming yasmeen abutaleb. thank you for joining us tonight and for your reporting. i want to be clear, you have reported this out, you have images of the slides, the cdc
has still not set this. they've not made this public. >> they have not. what we have from our reporting is that they are expecting to police the data that prompted this decision tomorrow, even in these slides they mentioned data. they cite assist studies they cite their own investigations but the actual methodology, the sample sizes are not in there yet. the expectation is that they will publish at tomorrow. >> we obviously spoke to the head of the cdc here on tuesday night where they had talked about this new mask guidance which has confused some people because they feel like it is a backtrack or a reversal, the cdc says it is an update. but that's the masking part of things, that vaccinated people should wear masks in some circumstances if they are in a high transmissible area. what are they doing about the vaccine problem because that is still stuck where it is? >> that is a lot of what's addressed in this document. one of the first slides in their says that there is public
skepticism, not a lot of trust in the vaccine. they recognize that they have messaging challenges, the fact that there are rising breakthrough infections of vaccinated people because they'll thistle transmissible and behaves differently than earlier strains. they also need to emphasize to people that vaccines are the most effective tool that we have, they are still highly protective, you are far far greater risk of death with the vaccine, but the african college at the individual risks to vaccinate people varies depending on a number of factors, including age and whether they have compromised immune system. there's a lot of data in the cdc report, and in the report that you and your colleagues focus tonight. one of the standouts here is that delta variant breakthrough cases, people have breakthrough cases may be as transmissible. the virus might be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases. seems to be new information. >> it is.
that was the key piece of information that supported the decision to recommend that vaccinated your mask indoors and in certain settings with areas of transmission. that's not how the previous various -- people who are unvaccinated with delta have the same viral. loads that means, they could spread the virus just as efficiently as an unvaccinated person. the still less likely and chance to get sick or die or end up in the hospital, but the transmission piece of it is what's really concerning and prompted -- prompted the change in the mask mandate. >> you know more about this than i. when i saw it could be as transmissible as ebola or the common cold, what's that supposed to mean? does it mean it's a great factor of transmissibility greater than they are we thought the delta variant had? >> it is. it is highly transmissible. they say it's just as infectious as chicken pox.
it's more than twice as bad as the strain of other viruses. this shows that the cdc means we're at a pivot point for the response things are getting better for few months cases surge and hospitalizations and deaths are still lower than they were with the summer surge last year because so many people are vaccinated. given the way delta behaves, the fact that vaccinated people can still contract and spread it, this is a new face of the pandemic, i think will see that they call for universal vexing which they come short on on certain circumstances and we have to look at other non pharmaceutical interventions they do not call for restricting, gatherings, anything like that. they say it may should be evaluated given how things progress. >> we knew last, year there was a lot of fighting at this time and disarray at the cdc. what's the level of agreement
on these policies and the way to move forward on them within the cdc? >> it's hard to tell just from this document the level of agreement there is a note in there saying it's the authors and not the official position. you can see the agencies taking this seriously, a support their decision earlier this week to reinstate some of those mask recommendations. it seems like across the administration there is a pretty joint recognition that this is a new point of the pandemic. we need to buckle up again. there was some celebration over the summer, but this is a new points. i think you saw the president also answer that when he was talking to reporters today. >> thank you for your reporting. we appreciate it. joining us now is doctor zeal a manual, former health care advisor to president. obama he was part of the advisory board, zeke good to have you tonight. i really lean on you for your a valuation of this. you heard this reporting and it
could represent a seat change and where we thought we were the virus. what do you make of it? >> let's be clear, i haven't seen the slides that jasmine referred to, but i have seen her report. and the concerning factor is first that we are pretty sure it's more transmissible and that people who are vaccinated can transmit. that means they've generate a lot of virus and can put it out into the environment as an arrow vessel. that's very concerning. wearing a mask would do two things, protect you if you are an infected, but protect others if you are infected and the and -- asymptomatic. that seems to be quite common with delta that people get infected but are asymptomatic and can spread it. that i think is rightly worrisome. the cdc is appropriately worried. there has been some evidence
out there from britain and others that it can be more deadly. it can be not only more contagious, but also more virulent causing more people to go to the hospital and end up in the icu and have deaths. that not exclusively emphasizes people who are not vaccinated, and people who might be immunocompromised. >> and slide 23 of a published occasion in the washington post talks about next steps for the cdc. the top portion of that is acknowledging the war has changed. the bottom part of the slide is prevention. three bullet points, zeke. consider vaccine mandates to protect vulnerable populations. universal -- reconsider other committee mitigation strategies. you and i have literally been discussing this, zeke, for a year and a half. the level of confusion and
resistance to some of these things in the last year and a half has been remarkable. the cdc understands wide sly it's going to have to message carefully on this. what do you say they do? >> i think they have to emphasize the importance of people taking care of themselves, that they can get the infection and they also need to emphasize responsibility for family and community. i think that will be important. i have belief in mandates in the important of mandates that they will be critical to getting a much higher rate of vaccination. earlier this week, that's why i organized a whole group of more than 50 health care organizations to sign on to a joint statement that should mandate health care workers and call upon other employers to mandate it. you can see the federal government, private industry, they're moving in that direction. it's become a tidal wave. this is going to expand with
the cdc's guidance. that will be a very important step in trying to curtail the spread of the delta virus. i will also say another thing, it's really important. this delta virus is very unpredictable. no matter what anyone says, it came in india, then really quickly, it started to disappear. britain, we are seeing a decline in cases in britain for reasons no one fully understands. i think the public has to realize that this is a very new infection. we have 18 months of experience not with -- i mean with a variety of variants so it's very unpredictable what will happen. we need to be flexible as well. we have to understand that the scientists and cdc are responding to -- responding to the data they see. they are being responsible. no one has a crystal ball about these variants and this virus.
it's been very, very amazing how it's befuddled us and changed in ways that were very hard to predict based upon past behavior. >> zeke, these vaccines do not have full approval from the fda yet. they are still on emergency use approval. we might by the end of august see pfizer and possibly moderna getting the full approval. does it change the game at all in terms of companies that say you can't work here if you are not vaccinated, mandates, things like that, to compel people to be vaccinated? >> two things, from a legal standpoint, it doesn't make a difference. the courts and the eoc have made clear that within emergency use authorization, vaccine, employers can still ask it from their employers. a lot of companies and institutions are being hesitant and using the excuse of it's not fully approved by the fda, not to have the mandate. that will take the last excuse away. and that sense, it might make a
difference. i think competing with that is the new news about delta which will, i think, put many more organizations and businesses to actually mandate it. i was impressed to see that danny meyer many restaurants including shake shack you won't have to be vaccinated to be served. i think that is going to kind of sweep throughout the employer market. we will see a lot of employers recommend vaccines. >> always good to see you, zeke emanuel, a former adviser to president obama. appreciate your. time despite the challenging news from the cdc, we got positive news for the direction in which the countries headed in. positive news for those who can use it. that's next. that's next. happen with vrbo. ♪♪ your together awaits. ♪♪
d'agostino helps hamblin back up. are you okay? -yeah. there is front page news, the news that takes up the front page. you may remember this last may, went to show just how gigantic the job losses were for april 2020, the times made a chart using the whole front page. the chart showed the monthly change in jobs numbers since the end of world war ii. all of it fitted neatly in the two little inches up top, except for april 2020, which showed the economy hemorrhaging jobs all the way down to the bottom of the page. 20.5 million jobs lost in a single month. we saw the times use the same
technique in july of last year, this time to show the gdp. the biggest measure of the american economy. it fell so far in the second quarter of april 2020 that it was literally also off the chart. there are lots of ways to slice and dice the economy to see where we are and where we are headed, but there was no mistaking last year and a unique crisis. last march, congress passed the true million dollar relief package that said direct -- and had a whole host of other benefits. since then, we added to the relief effort priced more. first with a 900 billion dollar package in december, then again with biden's 1.9 trillion dollar american rescue plan in march. we did all that to prevent a full on economic collapse in the midst of a once in a century pandemic. this week, we learned how well those stimulus packages worked.
the urban institute shows that the increase in government aid from the pandemic will quote, cut poverty nearly in half this year, from pre-pandemic levels, and push the share of americans in poverty to the lowest level on record. today we learned that the american economy grew 6.5% between april in june, bringing us back, finally, to pre-pandemic levels. it looks like giving people money who needed it works. when the pandemic ends, should we keep doing it? joining us now is jarrett bernstein, the measure of the presidents white house council of economic advisers. jared, good to see you. thank you for being with us tonight. these few trillion dollars, roughly five, depending how you, measure they lifted 20 million people out of poverty. a little under half of all the people who are living in poverty in the united states. how do you think about this sustainably? how do you think of the idea that giving this money directly to people who need it most,
created such a monumental change. >> great question. thank you so much for highlighting these important accomplishments at the hands of the american rescue plan, by not just getting checks in pockets, but also shots in arms. so important to getting folks back to reengage with commerce. i say that having listened to the last segment, so obviously, we are not out of those woods yet. the combination of the president always viewed as a dual health economic crisis. the thing that we learned is essentially twofold. one, the government has a tremendously important and deeply truer tip role to play when the economy hits a shock, a market failure, a recession or a pandemic induced of the magnitude showing from the headlines. that role, on the american
rescue plan of course is the most recent an important vintage intervention. not only would ease poverty, but it helped get gdp back to pre-pandemic levels about a year before people thought it would. it helped pull forward a robust recovery where heading back to the full employment of economy and sooner than people thought. the second, role is to lay the groundwork to build back better. to make sure we have the policies in place and everything from the infrastructure plan in the bipartisan agreement to the child and elder in interventions to make sure we don't get back to where we, were but we have a chance to do better than that. >> >> jared, over the last year and a half we've talked on many occasions on the degree on how we twisted ourselves into pretzels to discuss this five trillion dollars. congress didn't have nearly the problem in cutting taxes for people a few years ago, particularly people at the higher end of the scale.
we are very resistant to the idea of giving poor people or people who are living in some degree of poverty money. it is still in the ether as an irresponsible thing to do, to which they will do irresponsible things. >> this is a very serious public policy misunderstanding. somehow we've created a mythology that if you can give rich people many good things happen but if you get poor people many bad things happen. neither of those things are true. and in fact, the poverty reduction impacts that you've just shown are so important, not just for 2021 but there is really high quality research that says if you take a kid who's pour and you provide her with resources so she can go to school, in a more healthy manner -- by the way if you take the lead out of the pipes which is a critical part of the bipartisan plan, if you provide people with the income they need to eat nutritionally, not only will that kid eat today, that's
not just a consumption investment it is a long term investment in that child's life and she will have a higher education, so we shouldn't think that helping someone today, we need to think about long term investments. you are making a good point. there is a tremendous amount of economics and public policy and chest kind of ethical political practices that we should be learning from what has been happening here. what would -- president biden is very important in learning those lessons? >> we spent all this money and we're seeing the results of it. it lifted about half of americans who were in poverty out of poverty. that means there is still a little bit more than 20 million people who are still in poverty, despite those relief packages. why doesn't that -- why didn't this work for them? what do we do about that, are we gonna do another five trillion dollars to target the least among this? >> i do think that it is very
important to keep these measures going, where they are appropriate. you don't need unemployment insurance if you are employed, we're not there yet, to be clear. but unemployment insurance is just that, it is insurance. but a child tax credit, the reconciliation plan, of course, plans to try to extend that measure for numerous years in order to keep topping those kinds of poverty reducing benefits. but at the end of the day, that's where the conservative mythology is completely backwards, low income people don't just need to work, by the way, food stamps and medicaid, they don't keep your family alive and housed. but they want to work, they want to be productive. and we have tons of research that shows that the so-called labor supply discouragement barely shows up in the data. we have to not just teach some of these work support going we
need to get the mascara connery working on our behalf. that's where some of these rescue plans and the gdp report from today are so important. we are pulling forward our recovery that forecasters told us that it was to three years out there. because of the measures in the rescue plan, we're pulling that measure forward. we're gonna make sure that we don't just pulled the recovery forward, but that it is the most inclusive recovery and that if you play a role in helping this economy grow, you're going to get a fair share of that growth. >> jared, good to see you, jarrett bernstein is a member of the white house council of economic advisers. the administration must of congress is working on something else big that could help the economy, i will tell you about that on the other side. side
the hard task of legislating. despite advancing with and no votes the package which would include a $500 million in new spending is far from done. the actual legislative language has yet to be written, or priced out, some senate republicans already vowing to bombarded with a host of amendments. many democrats in both the house and the senate have made clear, they will only support it if it is followed by a sizeable reconciliation bill that will fund family programs, education, health care and climate change all things that republicans didn't want in the smaller bipartisan package. arizona senator kirsten sinema who was credited by the bipartisan group for bringing the deal together, anchored some in her party when she said that the three point million dollar price tag being floated for the larger reconciliation bill of -- which united a strong support from them, alexandra
ocasio-cortez quoted good luck thanking your own party's investment on trial care, climate action and infrastructure while presuming you'll survive a three-vote house margin especially after choosing to exclude members of color from negotiations and calling that bipartisan accomplishment. joining us is -- of the caucus she will have a big role in deciding what kind of infrastructure deal can pass the house. thank you for joining us this evening. >> great to see you, ali. let's talk about your hesitation on this bill. has got to do with anything that's on the bill we don't know exactly what's in the bipartisan bill or is it all about not trimming staff off of
the other bill you are more focused on. >> we don't know what's in the bipartisan bill so, we have to see it. we have to make sure we agree with the provisions in the bipartisan bill and, we have to make sure that the reconciliation bill is passed before we will vote on a bipartisan deal. this is something we have said for three months and it's not just progressives, house speaker nancy pelosi has said the same thing. chuck schumer has said the same thing, the reality is, these two bills have to move together. the core of what jerry dvorsky's talking about with you, is that we need to make significant investments in the health and well-being of the american people. coming out of the covid times, but even before, that ali, we had a situation where the wealthiest and the rich do just great in america but everybody else does not see the opportunity to advance in their
generation, not just their generation, two generations, but in three generations people don't see economic growth. that's why the reconciliation plan is so important with investments and housing in free community college in childcare, paid leave, medicare expansion, and of course in saving the planet and protecting immigrants who have been at the forefront of protecting us during covid. >> we don't know what's in the bipartisan bill, obviously the much larger reconciliation bill, we have fewer details. i heard you say you want to see the reconciliation bill done before, do you mean literally before or in conjunction with or approximately at the same time? >> no. we really need to see the reconciliation bill passed in the senate, before we can advance the bipartisan deal. the reason is because, it is very important that all 50
democrats, including those who negotiated the bipartisan deal, understand that this is a twofer, you kill one, and i remember joe manchin saying it a week or two ago again about the bipartisan bill he said, if you kill the bipartisan deal, the whole thing is often. we got a message, you kill or undermined the 3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure reconciliation package, the whole thing will collapse. it's really important we do these two things together. i believe we can do, it ali. i really believe that we can get there. there is a tremendous amount of agreement, most importantly from the american people, americans, democrats, republicans, independents, they support this investment because so many people are suffering across the country. they want us to desperately in urgently address the needs that they are facing. >> congresswoman, thank you
for joining me tonight pramila jayapal, she is the chair of the congressional caucus. yet another member of congress
of the congressional black caucus who was arrested for protesting for voting rights. a week ago it was hank johnson, and today was texas congresswoman sheila jackson lee arrested in the same place for the same reason. you can see her here being handcuffed in white zip ties, she was later placed inside a police van. she later tweeted this photo of herself in a hanging cuffs, she said i will never stop fighting for voting rights. the time is now to move the voting rights bill in the u.s. senate forward. enough is enough. hashtag good trouble. the protests and resulting arrests are a result of a summer of action, and the reason to fight just keeps growing. this was the headline in the atlanta journal-constitution. georgia republicans take first step to fulton elections take
over. fulton county is the largest county in the state, one tenth of all georgians live there. it's where atlanta's. it voted overwhelmingly for joe biden. it also contains a sizeable proportion of the states black voters. the paper obtained a letter showing that two dozen republican state senators support a performance review of fulton election chief. they have the power to request this thanks to the restrictive voting bill that georgia passed earlier this year. according to that bill, states senate bill 2:02, the state can replace any local election official with enough republican support. the chairman of the fulton county board of commissioners, a democrat, a sounding the alarm saying that is an attempt to take control of the senate and retain the governorship in 2022. it's been record rick until this point. this letter is the first official step in the process. we've got allies in the
legislature, we have the court and the court of public opinion. the law as it currently stands is on their side. at the federal level democrats continue to do what they can to address the exactly this sort of thing, with efforts to pass the for the people act currently stalled. senate democrats are preparing to unveil a new voting rights bill as soon as this week. several senators including raphael warnock, amy klobuchar and joe manchin are huddled in senate leader chuck schumer's office to discuss the legislation and the momentum is building. the new york times and nbc news both report that the president will meet with speaker nancy pelosi, and leader schumer tomorrow to discuss voting rights legislation. the need for action could not be more pressing. today texas state democrats who fled their states to block a restrictive voting bill testified before congress about the desperate need for federal action to block voter suppression efforts at home. vote >> this is a practical implication that is going to
disenfranchise hundreds and thousands of votes of texans. and so that is why we're here. we try to work with our counterparts but every amendment that we presented was declined. >> where was that, in committee? >> yes sir. in committee. on the 23 hour there were amendments that were presented, even during the regular session when we presented amendments they would not always admit it. and so we have tried, we've used every tool in our tool box to collaborate with our colleagues. the only thing left is to come to congress and ask for federal intervention. >> which is literally what they're doing, joining us now senator alex padilla, senate democrat from california, former secretary of state of california who knows a lot from state voting rights. senator, good to see, thank you for being with us. what's the texas representative is saying there is exactly what they're doing. they literally left their state and went to make their case at the federal government. they said we can do what we can do and we are willing to do it under pain of unrest, they're all threatened with arrest when they go back. but we need the feds to get
involved. you and i have had to's discussion before, it can happen but there is still some holdup at the federal level. >> good to be back with you, ali. you're absolutely right. we thank the texas legislature for their hero-ism in elevating not just the importance of these voter protections that we are trying to get past, but the urgency. because the 2022 election is around the corner, and it should not take another selma to get the conscious of the united states senate, the house of who's passed before the people act, for us to get a bill on the president act which we know he will sign. i just want everybody to know that we are not giving up the fight. there's been a lot of focus on infrastructure lately, but voting rights continue to be a top priority. we hope to unveil a new proposal in maybe the next week. >> talk to me about that. what do you do. it's interesting that there
will be a new proposal but we do have two proposals there already, what do you do to break the law here a with republicans, but be with some people in the democratic party to help them say hey, we may need to bust the filibuster once and for all four things that are as important as voting rights. >> right. we pick up where we left off. we had a measure on the floor that received 50 votes on a motion to proceed to begin discussion to, to begin the debate. but that was a measure that up until shortly before the vote did not have all 50 democrats. guess what, we start with a united democratic caucus. when you have not just myself, but leader schumer, and senator manchin and senator warnock, all in the room coalescing around a proposal that is starting from an even stronger position. and so with the experience of not just california, but especially california showing all of these measures have actually worked, they strengthen the integrity of our
elections and make it easier for people to participate. that's what our democracy is supposed to be about. we gave momentum, four short of ten republicans to performing are eliminating the filibuster to get this done. >> senator, i want to talk to you on this topic because of your experience as a secretary of state, there are all sorts of things going on in this country making it harder for people to vote, ballot vote boxes, voting hours, but president biden made the point that one could organize around, that what they're doing in georgia you can't figure that out. this idea of removing an elections officials so as to control the outcome of elections, there is no way to out-organize that. that is anti democratic. >> right, and that is why time is of the essence. if it's that much of a violation, by the time you litigated it gets appealed and it goes to the supreme court --
i'm not comfortable with those chances. the urgency with which we need to act is important. and it has worked in places like california. all these reforms are proven reforms -- by the way, they uphold the 1993 national voter registration act. it's the act that i refer to in the hearing we had and atlanta a week and a half ago, where it is in federal statute that government has not just an opportunity, a responsibility to facilitate voter participation. that means making it easier for eligible people to register, to stay registered, and options for how to cast their ballots. >> senator good to see you, senator california alex padilla, we appreciate your time. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. t biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill,
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with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. you will be speaking to a old friend of mine tonight, it suggests that you will be talking at least about the economic implications on these two big bills that the senate is looking to deal with both the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the much make a reconciliation bill. >> -- has a genuine congressional scholar to check my enthusiasm for what we saw in the senate last night and today. it seems, from my perspective, ali, the infrastructure bills on both tracks seem to be going shockingly smoothly. the bipartisan bill is even on more solid ground today than it was yesterday. mitch mcconnell's support now is pretty strong, where yesterday it was a vote and a surprising vote. now he has voiced his support, in a very strong way. i am