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even vaccinated people wear masks indoors in highly transmissible parts of the country. that is reversing its guidance from two months ago that fully vaccinated people can go mask-free indoors and it's a major setback in the efforts to project success against the virus. the cdc is saying all k through 12 student should wear masks in schools raising new concerns with some parents and new questions among the 163 million fully vaccinated americans. >> something has changed and what has changed is the virus. when a person gets infected who has been vaccinated, namely a breakthrough infection and they get infected with the delta variant that the level of virus in their nasopharynx is about a thousand times higher than with the alpha variant. on capitol hill tonight lawmakers remain fiercely divided on january 6th despite
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the testimony from four police officers who risked their lives to protect our democracy and the members of the house and senate. the leader of the select committee says tuesday was just the first step. >> nothing is off limits in this investigation. we are absolutely committed to get to the bottom of what happened. you know, there's a record and in this institution, in a democracy those records are important. we plan to pursue them. >> and another stunning announcement from olympic superstar simone biles today who is now withdrawing from the women's individual gymnastics all-around competition, keeping the spotlight on athletes' mental health on the world's biggest stage. >> this is an opportunity for us, all of us, to really learn more about mental health. to help each other out. the only way that we're able to be 100% authentic self is to take care of our mental health and our physical health.
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that's the only way. >> shaq brewster in arkansas, morgan in dallas and host of weekend today. morgan, first to you, the mask recommendations aren't going to be met with cheers, certainly not in texas where you are, but there are real concerns about the classroom. so let's talk about that. yeah, andry a you're exactly right and we heard from greg abbot. he believes it's every texan's right to treat the rising case numbers accordingly and he trusts that texans will do what they believe is safe to limit the spread of the virus, but as he says we're seeing hospitalizations quadruple in texas and while businesses are left wondering what to do as these case numbers rise, people are looking ahead to the start of school. we had a chance to hear from the president of the texas state teachers association. they are a group that are 50,000
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members strong comprised of faculty staff, from all across the state and they believe after hearing the governor say that essentially it's up to people on an individual basis to do what's right and to limit the spread of the virus. they absolutely feel like their resources are being limited and here's what she had to say about the coming of school here in just a few weeks. take a listen. >> at this time, local school districts cannot create rules for safety for their school districts. we don't want our student that is a statistic that is going to die because we didn't have masks in school. we want every precaution available to keep everybody safe. >> and the governor has said that he believes that if a parent wants their child to mask up they can certainly give that child a mask to go to the classroom, but as of rid now, if a school district and they say
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that they have to mask up they could face a fine or potential loss in state funding. andrea? >> morgan chesky, thank you so much. shaq brewster, the cdc map of community transmission in arkansas is just a sea of red, the highest levels and doctors where you are have got to be concerned. they're back in the fight. >> that's right. those increasing cases leading to an increase in hospitalizations. more hospitalizations across the state of arkansas than at any point since late january. here at the hospital behind me, the hospital is full. they have a record number of patients fighting covid, and i got to see inside the icu where the doctor there showed me complete areas of this hospital that were free of covid patients just a couple of weeks ago and now are full of these patients. that's leading to some frustration because they say it's not just the delta variant, but those low vaccination numbers in this area. listen to how the chancellor of this hospital put it. >> i'm frustrated that there's
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so much misinformation out about the vaccines, but more than anything else i'm concerned that we haven't figured out how to make everybody understand the safety of the vaccine, and the fact that i've got 70 people in the hospital with complications of covid-19 right now. i've had zero patients ever with complications from the vaccine. i had an icu pulmonologist saying there will be dark day ahead because many people in the hospital are already infected, andrea. >> a really grim outlook there. thanks so much to shaq. peter alexander, this is a critical moment for the administration not only to get their arms around the problem, but the political fallout. >> exactly right. there are a couple of things at play, first, in your introduction is what we expect to hear from the president about the state of covid in the country. we are told by senior white house officials that the
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president's expected to announce this, not a mandate, but a requirement that federal employees roughly 2 million of them in the united states would be required to either get the covid vaccine or to be regularly, consistently tested for the virus. that's number one. the white house clear to say it's not a mandate and it's a requirement and they're trying to put stronger muscle behind this effort. separately there with the new cdc guidance, the white house is handling the way they're handling this issue. they're now telling everybody on camp us that they need to wear masks. we saw the president earlier today. he was not wearing one when he exited and he was outdoors before he went to marine one and we saw him moments ago landing in pennsylvania for a statement that will support this effort to get behind infrastructure and manufacturing. all of this is raising new tensions on capitol hill, as well. the latest between nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy coming out
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against the attending physician for a mask mandate for the members of the lower chamber saying they were required to wear masks. it was effectively a political ploy in his words and it was a decision not based on science, but conjured up by liberal officials who wanted to live in his words, in a perpetual pandemic state. here's how nancy pelosi responded to that. >> it's against the science. to say that wearing a mask is not based on science, i think, is not wise, and that was my comment and that's all i'm going to say about that. >> so you saw the house speaker calling him a moron. kevin mccarthy saying if she's so brilliant, can she show me where the science changes between the house and the senate? >> thanks to you, to shaq and morgan chesky.
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starting us off on a very complicated day on the medical front. let's bring in the u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. thank you so much. i am hoping to simplify this, defense about reversals of policies. dr. fauci said today this is just a change in what we have learned about the virus, but the cdc now has this new map of hotspots and some of these hotspots are areas with high vaccination rates. what level of concern should vaccinated people have right now? it's hard to figure out we're seeing a sea of red and orange, and it is all very concerning. >> andrea, i can certainly understand how people may be concerned on a day like this. we heard about new guidance and you look at a new map, but let me tell you about a couple of things that has not changed and the vaccines that we have are still extraordinarily effective
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at saving lives and preventing severe illness. that is good news and it represents progress that we've made in the last six months and we're not losing that progress. what has changed, though, andrea and what we learned in recent days about the delta variant. we know the variant is highly transmissible and the most transmissible we've seen to date and they more than quadrupled in recent days. people who experienced breakthrough infections with delta are actually more able to transmit the infection to others as well as those who had other versions of covid-19 like the delta variant. that was that last one in particular that was a lynchpin in the recommendation the cdc made yesterday. i know we don't want to go back to wearing masks again, but these masks are a layer of protection that will help us prevent spread where we are seeing cases rise.
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>> it is transmissible from a vaccinated person in a breakthrough case to a similarly vaccinated person who may be more challenged, elderly, have a problem with immunity? >> so the people that we're most concerned about are the unvaccinated. for example, if you have a lot of interaction with folks who are unvaccinated. say you're a parent like me who has young children at home who are unvaccinated, that's a circumstance where we're being extra cautious and wearing that mask even if you're fully vaccinated, wearing it outside when you're in indoor public locations that's an extra step to protect those at home. if you are vaccinated the the likelihood of having a breakthrough infekdz is still low because they're wokking to help protect serious infection, but in the event it does happen,
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i, and especially if you go that extra mile and wear those masks so that you don't contribute. ? in terms of people's vulnerability. should parents now begin wearing eir younger children at home? >> well, if you follow the cdc recommendations. what they are advising especially for people like parents who are unvaccinated at home is to be vigilant about wearing masks in indoor settings so that you don't have to wear masks in the house with your children. i'll tell you as a parent it's something i do, and i'm spending a lot of time in an area with a high degree of transmission. when i go outside to the grocery store or to other indoor places outside my house i wear a mask, and so when i come home with my children i don't have to wear
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masks because i am more confident that i'm not exposed and my children are at a lower risk. that's the approach i take. as far as other schools are concerned and as a parent with two kids going to school in the fall, the level of cautioncdc a schools, macking sure they're masked regardless of the status, and keeping kids and testing as a way to screen out and these matter and it's a key part to keep them in school. >> today, pfizer released new data saying a booster shot would be exponentially better at neutralizing the delta variant. how soon do you think fully vaccinated individuals should think about boosters? how soon would you take more seriously the possibility of
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using the booster as a way of providing extra protection against this delta variant? >> andrea, the topic of boosters is a very important one that we've spoken about in recent months. what will determine if a booster is needed is data from a variety of sources. it is one source, but not the only source. we are also following cohorts or groups of individuals in various settings, nursing homes, medical professionals and others to see if there is a decline in the community and an increase in breakthrough rates and if there is, as soon as we see that we will make a recommendation on boosters and the news is that we will have the supply available to provide to the public. based on the collective data and the recommendation is not to create to have boosters implemented so far, but if that changes and when that changes we will absolutely let the public
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know. >> and how much do you think that all of this, the new recommendations going back to more mask use, how much do you think this will hurt the vaccination effort? because one of the great appeals that the white house was putting forth two months ago, you're free. if you get vaccinated you don't have to wear masks and you don't have to worry as much. >> andrea, i do think that is a very important question, what we have learned and has not change side that the vaccines are still the lynchpin of the effort to save us from the pandemic. they save lives. they reduce severe disease and they reduce the likelihood that you will get sick and transmit the virus to others. those are all the same reasons that were true yesterday and true today as to why people should get vaccinated as soon as possible. i recognize the mask is an inconvenience and we all want to get rid of, it doesn't erase
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the -- and it will reduce the delta which is an extraordinarily contagious version. the bottom line is we are safer today, and that's why we still need people to get vaccinated and more than half a million people are making that choice every day and we need someone who is vaccinated to talk to their family and friends and urge them to get the vaccines, as well. >> do you see any change in the trend lines as it begins to turn back up in terms of vaccination rates? >> i'm glad you asked. the silver lining is in the areas that have been hardest hit by delta, we are seeing a piece of that nation increase. they are outpacing the national average and that's in part because many people are recognizing what's happening in delta, and it's more transmissible and hitting more people in the communities so we
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have to get vaccinated. you have to press forward and make sure the rates continue to go up. the faster they do the faster we'll get back to saving lives and getting rid of our masks, as well. >> surgeon general dr. vivek murthy, thank you so much. busy day for you. thanks for being with us today. >> thank you. and the powerful testimony on capitol hill as police officers condemn the comments of some of the lawmakers they protected during the january 6th riots. >> the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful! >> plus, a possible agreement on the infrastructure deal. we'll have the latest from capitol hill coming up next and we'll talk to d.c. congresswoman eleanor holmes norton. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee.
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the chairman of the january 6th select committee congressman benny thompson said today nothing is off limits in his investigation. republican congresswoman liz cheney, a member of the committee, says she wants to know specifically of all communications to and from the white house on the day of the attack. >> we must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house, every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack. honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward.
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if those responsible are not held accountable, and if congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our constitutional republic. undermining the peaceful transfer of power at the heart of our democratic system. >> just hours after cheney's statement, jim jordan spoke on e select committee wants to know what transpired between house minority leader kevin mccarthy and then-president trump. mccarthy has refused to say. garrett haake. first of all, the speaker just held a press conference. any takeaways about the first hearing and whether there will be more hearings or more work done during the recess. >> the speaker was very pleased with the way the first hearing was conducted and she praised the police officers who provided
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the testimony yesterday for their courage and clarity in describing what happened here on january 6th, but as for next steps, she says she's not involved. those are decisions she's leaving to the committee's chairman bennie thompson and its members. you heard the detail that the committee would like to get from the white house from that day. they are still hiring staff. they haven't exactly decided how they will proceed although thompson told me yesterday that he does -- he has put the committee members on standby to potentially come back to washington for another hearing during what's supposed to be a seven-week recess starting next week. they know they have a lot of work to do, but no specific time on how they'll approach it. >> let's talk about infrastructure. give me the temperature today. senator schumer is saying the senate could vote tonight to from seed with that bipartisan infrastructure package. >> it looks like our month's
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long infrastructure week may be approaching its conclusion. that bipartisan group has just come out within the last few minutes and said they are, in fact, very comfortable that they have a deal that will stick and they only have what they describe as the smallest of details to work out and they are comfortable and both republicans involved and democrats, and moving forward with a vote tonight just to start debate. kyrsten sinema spoke. portman has also spoken with the white house about this and they spoke with mitch mcconnell today to bring him up to speed and it looks like they'll move forward into the next phase of this process and the details of what has changed between president biden and lawmakers shook hands on the deal and what will be in the text that we'll see later tonight are closely held and we'll see how far this deal has moved from then until now,
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hopefully tonight. >> it could be a late night for you, garrett. >> it could. >> late night on the hill. thanks very much. congresswoman eleanor holmes norton represents the district of columbia. first of all, i want to talk to you about some of the most disturbing testimony yesterday which was police officer harry dunn describing the brutality and the violence and describing the verbal attacks about him including horrible racial slurs. let's listen to some of what he said. >> one woman in a pink maga shirt yelled, "you hear that, guys? this [ bleep ] voted for joe biden," then the crowd joined in screaming, "boo [ bleep ]." no one had ever, ever called me a [ bleep ] while wearing the uniform of a capitol police officer. >> so his description of the "n"
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word and the description of other racial and verbal, horrible slurs from some of the other witnesses, what's your reaction to that, to the whole nature of this insurrection? >> i do think that his testimony, among others, captured why it is so imperative that there be a full investigation. these officers have essentially set the predicate and made imperative a full investigation. it would be impossible to listen to not only the epithets and the rest which show that an insurrection was going on, but to get to what caused it and especially what comes next?
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>> and representative andrew clyde of georgia who compared the january 6th attack as a normal visit was pressed at a rules committee meeting later in the day. let's watch. >> okay. >> watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through statuary hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stantions and ropes and if you didn't know the tv footage was a normal tourist visit. those are your words. >> and i stand by that exact statement as i said it. >> and that went on for about five minutes with congressman raskin pressing him how can you believe that after what the officers said, what you saw with your own eyes and he kept not responding, basically. just standing by his statement
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saying that he was being misquoted, and that was clearly jamie raskin, quoting exactly what he said. >> this was an attack done in the open. every american turns on the television occasionally saw this attack as it happened. so his -- his character is in realtomb refuted by what every american can see, and that's why we need to call other actors to hear what happened. that's why you need to hear from kevin mccarthy when apparently
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called the president. what did he say and what did the president say? what the congress now faces is what next? after hearing from these witnesses, although they have not announced who they hear from next, i think it's clear as the nose on your face, some of those they'll need to hear from. >> congresswoman eleanor holmes norton, as always, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> one day at a time, simone biles withdrawing from the olympic finals, one day after dropping out of the team competition and the shocking move putting on the focus on the elite athletes' mental health. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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in a shock for the olympics, superstar gymnast simone biles will not be defending her all-around gold medal. the gymnastics superstar pulling out of the individual competition at the tokyo games today one day after she withdrew mid-competition from the team final citing her mental health and its effect on her performance. the four-time gold medalist puts a much-needed spotlight on mental health. nbc's stephanie gosk has more. >> in the run-up to the games there was one face we saw over. >> simone! >> and over again. simone biles, gymnastics,
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biggest and brightest star with a shot at a record-setting six gold medals and a chance to add another spectacular skill to her name. but the athlete known for her gravity-defying moves, finally came down to earth. ? wow! >> it's been a long week. it's been a long olympic process. it's been a long year. simone withdrawing from her sport's biggest stage citing her mental health. >> it's okay sometimes to even sit out the big competitions to focus on yourself because it shows how strong of a competitor and person that you really are rather than just battle through it. >> the gymnastics great just the latest athlete to bring mental health to the forefront. tennis phenom naomi osaka who lit the cauldron and was eliminated from competition tuesday famously pulling out of the french open this year, revealing struggles with depression and anxiety. >> i think the amount of attention that i get is kind of
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ridiculous. no one prepares you for that. >> nba star kevin love opened up about his struggles, too, writing last year, i was simply paralyzed with depression. >> it took five olympics for me to really see it. >> and for years, michael phelps has sounded the alarm about the growing mental health crisis, particularly among olympic athletes. to this day he struggles with depression. >> i hope this is an opportunity for us to jump onboard and to blow this mental health thing more wide open. it is so much bigger than we can ever imagine. >> with the awe-inspiring thrill of gymnastics, the sport can be dangerous, especially if you are not 100% mentally focused which can lead to catastrophic injuries. >> this is simone biles. i think she's going for it. >> whether or not she returns to competition, her legacy can be etched in gold. telling hoda, she hopes to be a voice for change in her sport. >> simone, 50 years from now, people will say your name and
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you'll be in some history books. what do you want to be remembered as? >> hopefully for taking the sport to higher depths, and also for making a change for the newer generations to come. >> something she's already accomplished. nbc's stephanie gosk in tokyo. >> and the extremist threat inside america. how are officials dealing with the evolving nature of domestic terror as described in terrifying new detail from those who fought off the january 6th mob. >> former homeland security secretary jeh johnson joins me next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. please hold. ♪ those days are done. ♪ i got you. ♪ all by yourself. ♪
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after gut-wrenching testimony for hours on tuesday from four police officers about how they put their lives on the line to defend the capitol and members of congress, chairman bennie thompson asked what they
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want from his committee. >> if a hitman is hired and he kills somebody the hitman goes to jail, but not only does the hitman goes to jail, but the person who hired them does. there was an attack carried out on january 6th, and a hitman sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> joining me now, former homeland security secretary jeh johnson who also served as general counsel at the pentagon. secretary johnson, thank you very much for being with us. >> good morning. sure. >> after that day that we all experienced yesterday, i want to talk to you about what they referred to as terrorists. the rioters as terrorists and officer hodges in particular, he even read the u.s. statute defining domestic terrorism at one point. how should we be doing differently to counter this homegrown threat? >> that's a good question. what happened on january 6th
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almost certainly falls within the definition of terrorism. we broadly define terrorism as an act of mass violence to achieve some sort of political objective through illegal means. my judgment is that what happened on january 6th is the very definition of an insurrection. what should we be doing different? the department of homeland security, my old department, was created in 2002 on the assumption that the threat to our nation was an extra territorial threat from beyond our borders, and so the thinking in congress in 2002 was if you consolidate into one cabinet-level department all of the different ways one can enter this country, land, sea and air and now cyberspace, you've effectively dealt with terrorism and for the last 20 years, much of that effort has been devoted to degrading isis, al qaeda
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beyond our borders. now the principal threat to our nation is domestic based. dhs and the anti-defamation league and others have been tracking that for years and what many americans don't understand is that there are not a lot of dhs police running around in the interior looking for terrorists or insurrectionists and that has fallen largely to the fbi. i think we need to take a hard look at how our federal government might re-align itself to deal with the current threat environment. >> and you mean expanding dhs' mission or expanding the mission on how the mission needs to be attacked from different directions? >> i believe that the fbi needs to expand its mission. it needs to refocus its mission and dedicate more resources to domestic extremism. i've heard director wray say
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that he has done so. my guess is that there's probably more to do in this area. when i was in office as secretary of homeland security, i spent a lot of time going from community to community bringing local and federal law enforcement together and community organizations to try to identify domestic-based violent extremism before it turns illegal. dhs is in a position to do more there. dh is also through its grant-making activity and through local law enforcement can help re-channel a lot of their efforts toward domestic extremism, but this is the number one threat in terms of terrorism, and domestic extremism right now that we've got to face up to. i was looking forward to secretary mallorca's state of dhs tomorrow, but as you know, it was postponed and we'll see exactly how dhs is reframing itself for the future. >> and we hope to re-visit that in the coming days, as well.
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another throughline which is fueling a lot of the terrorism as we have defined it here is racism among many of the rioters. most of them were white against the black and latino officers. listen to what officer hodges said about this. >> the crowd was overwhelmingly white. males, they didn't say anything especially xenophobic to me, but to my black colleagues and anyone who is not white, and some of them would try to recruit me. one of them came up to me and said "are you my brother"? and so how serious is the threat of white supremacy among domestic extremists and how do you go after it? >> andrea, there have been studies done of the demographics on the group that converged on the capitol on january 6th.
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they were motivated by first of all, their support for donald trump, but also the so-called great replacement, a fear among white america that somehow people of color are replacing them in our country and in our society. interestingly enough, many of the insurrectionists came from blue states and blue communities, not at all solely red states, and so race is very much a motivating, a violent, motivating factor here. i'm not at all surprised to hear the very ugly testimony that came from the capitol police, the metro police yesterday about the attitudes toward law enforcement officers of color on that day. >> nearly one in five people, in fact, who were charged in the attack appear to have ties to the military according to an npr analysis, a former top pentagon official. how concerning is that? >> i think i lost you. >> can you still hear me? jeh johnson?
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we'll try to re-establish that and also bring jeh johnson back in the next segment. as we talk about mixed messaging, concerns about the new cdc guidelines on masking that could hurt vaccination efforts where they're needed most. this is andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. ♪♪ t-minus two minutes and counting. ♪♪ um, she's eating the rocket. -copy that, she's eating the rocket. i assume we needed that? [chomping sound] ♪♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. she has eaten the rocket. [girl burps] over.
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thanks. we've re-established our connection to former homeland secretary jeh johnson. i was asking about the fact that one in five of the people charged with participation in the insurrection had ties to the military, and i'm -- you were top pentagon official. how concerning is that? >> i would say i'm very concerned. in my experience in the department of defense and in the department of homeland security, the overwhelming majority of the military, of the coast guard, of dhs officials are patriotic, conscientious, diligent individuals. we have to accept the reality that in the military and elsewhere in our community there are a large number of individuals who ascribe to
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theories such as qanon, about the government, financial services, the media, being a captive of satanic worship pedophiles which is ridiculous. one in six americans according to recent polls and there's no reason to believe that the military and the federal government is somehow exempt from that. i know efforts are under way to root out these individuals to try to identify them at the recruitment phase and an ongoing basis. it is a concern. secretary jeh johnson, thanks for your patience, thanks for being with us today. the biden administration has spent months touting new freedoms for americans while labeling the covid threat of the unvaccinated, and it puts it in doubt for millions of people. joining me is peter baker and dr. amish, senior scholar at the
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johns hopkins school. >> what about the white house pivoting this way because the science has changed. they have to, but how much does this put them on the defensive in the pandemic. >> the white house will have to react to the circumstances and the delta variant has forced them to re-think where they're at. at the same time, of course, andrea, you make a good point. it's caused a great deal of frustration because it is in contrast to their previous message. remember, of course, president biden talked about independence day being our time to declare independence against the virus. of course, they said if you had been vaccinated you wouldn't need a mask. felt like beginning of a new era for a lot of americans tired of the restrictions of the pandemic era to reverse course partially in circumstance circumstances for others and discouraging for the white house trying to manage
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a message that does seem to be shifting. i think you're right. optimism of a month ago is gone. now the white house has to figure how to tell americans there is still a path forward, even though they've had to switch their messages. >> dr. dha, a strong proponent of the vaccine. what the surgeon general had to say this hour. >> i recognize that the mask is an inconvenience and we'd all rather get rid of. but yesterday's announcement doesn't do is erase extraordinary progress we've made, and this extra layer of protection with the masks will help us reduce the spread of delta. >> so, doctor, where do we go from here? what is your bottom line? >> what's working, happening now is that the vaccines are working as intending. preventing severe hospitalizations and deaths. the cdc is reacting to a small
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risk in fully vaccinated individuals that they may be able to transmit to certain other individuals. by their own admission, something that happens rarely and not accounting for the bulk of transmission. this guidance is not something i'm a major fan of. we have to double down get vaccines into people's arms in the ho the spots and es special willy in high-risk individuals. a mask is not a substitute for a vaccine. we have a 21st century solution to this problem and got to get the vaccines into people's arms, because most people will not comply and you won't see a major benefit in terms of spread for vaccinated people wearing the mask. by their own admission. >> do you worry that this is going to in any way hamper the vaccination effort? >> i do think that people were encouraged to get vaccinated because they saw what life looked like on the other side of this pandemic. now you're telling people in certain high-risk areas if fully
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vaccinated we'll treat you no differently than if you're not vaccinated. scientist shows these vaccines protect you from the virus. the message needs to be vaccines are the path forward allowing you to claim your life back. this rare issue that they're reacting to doesn't change the impact of these vaccines or the importance of vaccines or progress made retaining the virus removing authority to threaten hospitalizations in most of the country. >> news from mitch mcconnell suffered from polio as a child. he is going to start using some of his own political money, his own campaign funds, to take public service announcements, to tell people to get vaccinated. peter, do you think that might add to the small number of republican leaders coming forthin recent weeks, i should say days?
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>> sure. senator mcconnell, as a polio survivor is a believer in vaccines. one of the louder voices on the republican side how americans should get vaccinated. the fact he's stepping up taking a more prominent role is important. the question, whether that would encourage other republicans to do the same. showing senate block on the screen. an event the other day trying to encourage americans to get the vaccine. i think you're seeing a shift a little bit among at least established republicans. who are willing to be more vocal about the need for vaccines at this time and there has reaction. in recent days with the numbers of cases going up with the delta variant you've seen a number of vaccinations surge a little as well. i think a lot of americans suddenly are waking up saying maybe i really do need the vaccine after all, those willing to at least consider it. a huge core of people say they're not willing to consider it. they're resistant at the moment to anybody's encouragement, seems. the one most important figure
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who hasn't made a particularly public statement you know, public show trying to encourage people is, of course, president trump. gotten the vaccine himself and claims credit for encouraging development has not made a point telling hi supporters, some most reluctant to get vaccinated that they should. >> in fact, criticized the school decision announced just yesterday. dr. adalja, as far as you're concerned, do you think there is going to be more of a push on vaccinations, at least among those most resistant to it? >> i do think people are going to be encouraged as strongly as possible to get the vaccine. we may see more private organizations and employers institute the mandates as condition of employment. i think this will get vaccination numbers up and may occur more frequently once the fda gives full approval to the vaccines which is long overdue.
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we have to find a way to get these into people's arms. not necessarily a politician but your doctor, those not listening to messages on television. listening to friends, family members, people in the community, where you can move the needle, so to speak a little more than pontificating from on high, thank you both, and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." celebrating 12 years of msnbc, take a look at importance of diplomacy for future relations with the rest of the world. and remember, follow us online, on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd is up next on ""mtp daily," up next on msnbc. so sudden.
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if it's wednesday, whitewashing the capitol insurrection. shunning vaccines and masks. republicans keep appeasing trump, and what do they have to show for it? plus, about-face on masks for vaccinated individuals, now expecting a major announcement on vaccine requirements. don't call it a mandate. requirements, for federal workers from the white house. bottom line is, covid vaccine mandates, are they coming to other places like schools, and are they coming soon? plus, double deja vu, tensions over a mask mandate. again and signing infrastructure
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