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diaz bilart. president biden goes to pennsylvania this hour. american manufacturing and good paying jobs for workers. we're also learning he plans to take new actions on vaccinations. on thursday he is expected to announce a federal vaccine requirement. if they say no he will have to submit to rigorous testing. frankly the pandemic news we're getting is ominous. the cases on tuesday were higher than a year ago on the same day. and by nbc's count nebraska has seen a two-week increase in cases of nearly 2700%. if that isn't enough, we're also watching kyl for you this morning. speaker pe loi si will give her weekly briefing soon. we'll be watching for the rules
on those new mask rules on the hill. on the january 6th select committee and for movement on infrastructure talks. we start with that updated mask guidance as every state across the country is seeing a surge in new covid cases. mike memoli is outside of the white house. shaquille brewster is outside of a medical center. i also want to bring in dr. vin gupta. thank you all for being with me today. mike, it is a big step for the biden administration, walk through the rules and what they have played.
they are indoors or outdoors. they were quick to go out of the rose garden that day. the cdc is announcing dwlaed in states with high or substantial transmission rates right now in terms of the covid virus, specifically the delta variant, they're recommended that individuals need to wear masks even indoors. they are potentially transmissing this to others and that is something they want to avoid. we should need is guidance and not mandates. when we talk about the federal workforce, that is an area where they have some sway. and that is what we expect to hear from the president tomorrow. not a mandate but requirements impedd on the federal requirements. and if they're not vaccinated,
they have to subject themselves to rigorous testing requirements. it is a distraction from what he want today be focused on today. the president talked about a moment of joy as it looked like the coronavirus was in the rearview mirror. but this delta variant has changed that calculation. >> and we're talking about consistent and constant testing for those that don't have a vaccine, right? >> that is right we have not seen those requirements from the federal workforce just yet. there is an active debate among medical officials and the ultimate goal here is getting americans vaccinated. they want to do everything here
because this is the best step you can take. individuals even with the delta variant the likelihood is down seven hold. >> wearing masks in schools affects people across the u.s. what are you hearing from people there? >> this this area many parents and children have stories of immense personal loss. the area was really hard hit and now they have even a 200% increase in positivity here. so the superintendent said today that this is not a hard deal to break with these parents. because of so much of what they have been through. here is what she had to say. >> many parents are extremely
support i of the decision we made. i can count on one hand how many people who asked us to move back to a point where we didn't wear masks, but we're not at that point right now. >> she made this decision en though 50% of her students are able to be fully vaccinated. but we will see stark differences across the country. this is a recommendation, it is not a mandate, and what we're seeing in areas where the spread is much work a lot of citizens there are pushing back and they're likening this to tyranny. there will be a lot of push back here. we had eight states when the curve was going low saying you
cannot have a mask mandate in schools or in places in business. so iowa, arkansas, that are now pated in red when you look at the map, there will be a realtime of deciding here. there will be a lot of tension. >> yeah, let's look at florida. the epicenter of the cases of covid and they said no masks, so let's talk about masking up in schools. is that the right move? i have to tell you my two daughters have been wearing a mask for a year in school and it's not something they find particularly nice. >> good morning. i would say of course we want to move towards a world where we don't have to have our kids masked in schools, but i agree
with the guidance yesterday which is that children, especially since they don't have a vaccine should mask in an abundance of caution. but what i will take a step back on and say, because i know people are confused by the messaging. it is well intended. it was a pivot, and the con vugs here is what is at risk. a lot of counties are flagging as high rates of vaccination but they're at a high risk. it is not just about test positivity but a combination of do you have a high amount of covid causing stresses on hospitals. that will be a key piece here.
we need a narrower definition. >> let me understand more spp it because the people that are vaccinated that get covid are more sus september able to passing that along spp that the big change that we have seen? >> that is the biggest driver of why the cdc made this decision. that you could get reinfected and unlike the prior virus they has it along to someone that is unvaccinated and we think the risk of that is higher than in places with low vaccine rates. there might be places that are well vaccinated that a few people are testing and testing
positively is an imperfect method. places like florida, arkansas, and monday and doubling down on messaging with authentic messengers. yeah, i mean yesterday i had add a correspondent in california that is fully vaccinated and they both got covid and they're having a very tough time. no hospitalization, thank god, but they're seeing their children got it too. do you agree with the change. how do we convince americans that didn't want to wear masks in the first place to put them on now. >> yeah, i agree with the cdc guidance. it is well intended.
and the fact that we have this new data, the new data are showing that fully vaccinated individuals essentially carry as much virus as unvaccinated individuals that are infected. are they drivers that is part of why we're seeing surges across the home. we know they have pulled that quite early. so i'm hoping that we get more states to join reinstituting those mask mandates because it is so important until we get a critical number of people vaccinated we will have to have people start wearing masks again
or restrict indoor gatherings. and i know people don't want to see that again. >> let's talk about the fear that if this virus continues mutating, right, we went from alpha to the latest one, could a new mutation make it en more difficult for the vakts nated to stay healthy? >> right, absolutely i think what the public needs to understand is even the idea of this being a pandemic of the and even fully vaccinated people will get vaccinated. and we know that parts of the country, but also the world, that we will get additional variants that are able to evade
our immune system. and i hope we convey that. we need to do that. and the pandemic could last years. i don't think people understand that point. >> and this mask mandate is appellant to on tan surges. what did you learn in the hospital there? >> i went around the icu, and i walked around and they said covid is taking over this hospital. you look across the state, more people a r in the hospital fighting this virus than late khan. they say it is out of control and they believe is the vaccine that's are the real toend this. while they're ticking up, it is
not totally necessary. thereon what they are saying among the doctors. >> i'm concerned that we have not figured out how to make everyone understand the safety of the vaccine and the fact that you know i have 70 people in the hospital with complications of covid. i had zero ever with complications from the vaccine. >> to help you get a sense of how widespread this impact is the children's hospital announced a record amendment of patients there fighting covid. it's not just affecting the older population. the governor here yesterday met with state lawmakers to see if they could reverse the ban on mask mandates that is in place in this state. he is also meeting to see how he can expand hospital ka pass any this state. you hear it from elected officials and doctors.
it's the vaccines. that's the exit ramp out of this surge until the vaccine numbers goat a place where you reach that herd immunity. >> dr. gupta, they said the third vaccine dose gives more protection against the delta variant. where do you see it going? are we going to see shots and booter shots as an item because this variant is just changing? >> i -- we don't know yet. the data right now that exists at this moment was published in leading journals just last week, and they suggest two doses of the fooider vaccine is very effective for those of those over 65, or if you have a
medical condition, that doesn't necessarily apply and they be first in line for the booster. but for everyone else, they need be really careful about their messaging so we don't confuse people. >> also, pfizer talking about the possibility of being able to give these shots to kids that are much younger. >> and that is great news. we know they're doing critical trials in those six to 111 years of age. right now are are suggesting they are safe and effective in that age group. so we're hoping that once it is rendered, that will be very help helpful, and then we expect the
approval for those six to 11 years old will follow. >> thank you both for being with me this morning. in just a couple minutes we hope to see house speaker nancy pelosi coming up. there you see the microphone that leads to a podium. a big update on when that early senate vote on that infrastructure deal could happen. plus the protests in cuba. bhands in freeh are leading to a key debate in the u.s. how they are using them in their fight for florida. they are on a monday march.
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and the shot from capitol hill. we expect to hear from nancy pelosi. and we just had a big update on another topic she is expected to discuss this morning. the infrastructure negotiations. chuck schumer said senators should be prepared to vote as soon as tonight. and they are kind of close to a deal.
leigh ann, how are you. >> there seems to be some significant -- >> sorry to bankrupt. >> there is movement on the infrastructure bill. it has been negotiated between republicans and democrats in the past few days. it seems like they're on the press miss of some sort of agreement. the fact that schumer said moments ago that a key procedural test vote will take place today. we saw key republican negotiation eithers walking in to senate minority leaders office.
that is a sign that they're briefing him on what this is. the question moving forward, the senators for the key vote to pass and we are looking for at least ten republicans, jose. we'll see how this plays out in the next few hours and in the rest of the day. >> one of the issues that have been discussed has been some and it is a group of undocumented including daca recipients. fundamental workers in the country. is there any possibility that this could be included in a bipartisan bill? >> no, it will not be included. this one, the bipartisan one is focused on traditional
infrastructure like roads, bridges, broadbands, ports. it was very much discussed among democrats on their much longer democratic only $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill. they will have to be voted on, and they will have to move. and so democrats are trying to figure out a way to include legalization for some undocumented immigrants and they're trying to figure out their details through a process they only need 50 democratic votes. there is a lot of rules around that. there is a lot of questions about whether or not that will be able to pass in that capacity. >> something that most americans agree on, immigration reform,
how and when the january 6th select committee plans to follow up throughout that hearing. earlier on "morning joe" he said everything is on the table. >> i have no reluctance whatsoever in issuing subpoenas or information. telephone logs to the white house, especially doing the kinds of january 6th -- >> i'm also joined now by david drutger. thank you for being with me. leigh ann, we don't know when they will hold their next committee meeting, but can you give us an idea of what it's like in congress after day one. >> it depends on who you ask.
democrats were thrilled. they thought it was crucially important to refute what is happening among some republicans that are denying what happened on january 6th. as far as some republicans are saying, they're trying to change the subject. we heard from leader mccarthy and other republicans that are praising the capitol hill police officers but they're saying the person that needs to be investigated is speaker pelosi but there is no basis in truth. they talked about the video from january 6th. they say it looks like a normal day of tourism. let's listen to how that played out. >> i would like you to kwoit my exact statement. not your interpretation of my
statement. >> okay. watching the tv footage of those at the capital and walked through statutory hall showed people standing and taking photos. if you didn't know it was video from january 6th, you would think is a normal tourist day. >> and i stand by that statement. he was barricaing the house chamber doors on that day, but his statement remains consistent. i pressed him and he gave me the same response. so there is still a lot of denial on capitol hill among some republicans as they are trying to rewrite history from that day, jose. >> we heard him say that he will
not he is day to use load. >> i never talk about what we talked about, but i don't talk about the president. >> i mean on jan 6th. >> if he talked to him in that time period, did he talk his way into a system? >> he might have to. they are testifying before the committee. look to the they talking about
why they need to be called to testify. members of congress are notoriously protective of this notion that what do i to you you might do to me. and that is why ethics committees are careful and drawn out and often with little punishment. so there was a number of republicans that day that was talking to the president, to white house officials, talking to people connected to the president. on the political side. and are they going to try to bring them all in and ask them what they knew. and i think the other question that is being asked.
it is a question of why the capital police force that is very professional and very proficient police force this is not some security force, this is a police department and they do a very good job. the fact they didn't have the resources to defend against the mob that ransacked the capital is a question that needs to be answered. in particular, the fact that if they were to agree on a lot of what happened on january 6th and be with them they would have a problem with former president
trump and a lot of his grass roots supporters. >> that's a question that a lot of people may be asking. how deep can this committee go? the vice president was there and he had to take defensive positions. >> it depends on how talented they are. they can tack on quite a bit. we know they have subpoena power. part of them will be department on the special committee. it could be hampered because there is not clear bipartisan cooperation. but there is one that this committee can do if it is run
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the aftermath of a far right protest in oregon. let's get you caught up on the big headlines from the west coast. good morning. >> good morning lots of news breaking out west. first the wildfires. right now 81 fires have burned through 1.6 million acres of land across the west coast nap is according to the national interagency fire center. the biggest is the dixie fire. thick smoke and cooler weather has helped, but conditions are expected to get worse this week. plus, get vaccinated or take a weekly covid test. those are the two options that city employees in los angeles have. the city is expected to implement that new policy in the next couple of weeks. it comes as hospitalizations los angeles county have more than
doubled from two weeks ago. they are pointing to the delta variant as the cause of the spike. mike bierman became the first member of the oerds house to be expelled. he is accused of letting protestors into the state california in december. one more thing, he is also banned from the capital building and grounds. jose, back to you. >> 8:36 in the morning pacific time. >> right now in cuba there continues to be protests, but with the internet slowed down there, it is very difficult to tell how big the protests are.
i want to dig deeper with the professor of international relations at florida university. good to see you. >> good to see you, jose. >> eduardo, it can be so difficult to keep track of what is happening in cuba because the government controls 100% of the internet. what is happening there? what do you see happening? >> well, jose, i think it is clear that cuba is behaving the way that a dictatorship behaves. they clamp down in very decisive ways. and of course they violate hue map rights and i believe they managed to clamp down and they have done so successfully.
cubans today are daring to protest and to get their message out there. so things have changed and i would say rather dramatically in cuba from the perspective of protests even though they may not be as organized as one would like to see for achieving. >> it is amazing because one sees these images and i think most people don't realize how difficult and how dangerous it is to protest in cuba. it is not just 1950s cars, rum, and cigars. the leader of cuba are really kim jong un and we're seeing people taking to the streets
knowing it could cost them a lot. professor what is it that the united states should or could be doing to support this? >> it may be important to contextualize this a little bit. now in multiplaces, if you go back, there is a lot of innovation. so the u.s. is really faced with a very difficult choice here especially with republicans asking for an intervention, right? and some of the leaders are talking about military intervepgs in cuba. at the same time there is demands for the u.s. to use the military to resolve the very
difficult issue that occurred in the aftermath of the assassination of president ruiz. i think washington is trapped here. we just withdrew an there is no real national sentiment favoring them anywhere. so i don't think we can take about a military option in serious of these countries. so what we have is stringent sanctions that have not achieved the regime change, and yet i think the biden administration will not relinquish the option. and they promised more. what more means, of course, has been left up to interpretation. >> yeah, american military intervention has not been
particularly positive oef the history of the world, but it is important that you mentioned haiti. also important to mention nicaragua. they have arrested more than 6,000 immigrants. it is a very complicated situation. there is one thread that seems to run through all of those cases. thank you for being with me this morning. i appreciate your perspective and your voice. >> as of this morning we lost more than 614,000 american lives because of coronavirus. the number of deaths have slowed but we're still losing far too many americans. this marks a third and final day of covid victims families and lobby days. organizations and activists calling on lawmakers to make the
first monday in march a federal holiday called covid memorial day. one of the activists has been creating a covid memorial quilt and hopes to have it displayed on the national mall. you created this quilt to honor and tell the story of the lives lost, how did you come up with that idea. >> first, thank you for having me. this is quite an honor. and i wanted to help people heal. my mom told me how she worked on the aids memorial quilt and how it really helped, so i just said let's do that again, a covid memorial quilt, and that is basically how it started. that is so cool. tell me about the squares and how you get the information for the quilt.
>> we get the information and the squares mostly from the people who have lost someone to covid. there is sometimes where they ask us to make the square for them because they're unable to or they don't know how to sew. >> so you're in washington right now meeting with lawmakers and asking for support for a new federal holiday. tell us about the talks that you're having and what you want to see happen. >> i guess at the end of the day what i really want to see happen is hr-174 pass so we can memorialize the people who have died. and panels from your quilt there been on display all across the country. a vigil on monday, and you wrote a letter to the first lady
saying you're afraid we're becoming too focused on getting back to normal and forgetting about the families. why did you feel it was important to make that point? >> it's important because we're all in pain right now. we all went through the same lock down and we're still going through it now, and it is important to help everyone heal, whether they lost someone or not. it is important to remember these people. >> we certainly do. thank you so much for being with me this morning. i'm more nervous to talk with you than you to talk with me, because you're doing such an incredible job, and i so appreciate what you're doing. thank you, madeline. >> thank you so much for having me. >> we're watching house speaker nancy pelosi and her weekly news conference. let's been. >> to honor the oath they take
to uphold the constitution. they're testimony was powerful. we thank these patriots for their heroism and the valor of that dark day. we thank them for their courage to present that harrowing democrat of what happened that day. we have a duty to the constitution and to the country to find the truth, to follow the facts where they take us, and to honor the trust that the american people have placed in us. we must snar that the american people have confidence in the truth that emerges. we thank our heros. more than just the four who testified, but the story they told. i have quoted president lincoln on many occasions. and this is what he said in the civil war.
we cannot escape history. this congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves. no personal significance or insignificance can spare one or another of us. he went on to say, we bear the responsibilities to find the truth and to ensure, again, and this is my words now, the attempt to overthrow the government never happens again. this is called patriotism. there is no room for politics or partisanship. i salute chairman thompson and the entire committee with the patriotism they brought to the committee hearings. we are all most proud of the law enforcement officers that testify. as the select committee pursues
the truth, we have the approachuations bills on the floors. i'm always taking pride in the appropriations committee. we always try to find common ground. the president said that help is on the way and we can say with these bills that help is here. investmentings in jobs, opportunities, and working families. that unites us to the commitment to america's working families. and we are benefitting working families with investments in health, education, and national security. we're rebuilding the infrastructures. we take america into a draen energy future.
we're helping workers by creating thousands of good paying job that's this legislation will engender. fighting future pandemics, and america's preem nans in science. science science science. our duty to veterans in keeping america safe. tallahassee the senate has, on the subject of what we sent over two months ago to the senate, i'm very pleased that we're hearing that they may be taking up that legislation today finally. it's not what we sent, it is certainly not what we need, but it is a good step forward. we're eager to see what will traps pyre. there are certain things we wanted to have a bonus for our workers here that are not -- but when we see what they actually
pass we can talk about what we feed to do along the way, but we do, it is long overdue, months overdue, hundreds of billions of dollars under funded but none the less i think the actions yesterday by our law enforcement officers and their appeal to get something done as soon as possible is perhaps even jarred the senate to move in a bipartisan way to pass this legislation. so we look forward to seeing what they do and hopefully taking up that legislation this week. it doesn't mean that we're finished, it does mean that we are -- that we can't wait another day until we -- the strength in our capital. the actual physical capital. as soon as we can we can come to a time when families and children can come and learn about the congress, legislatures
can do their job. you all can do yours, and we can turn to some normalcy. and this, that i guess is about it for now. questions? >> earlier, is kevin mccarthy a moron, and if so, why? >> i said earlier in my comments. science, science, science and science. when almost every subject that you can name, science is the answer. whether it's the climate chrissis, whether it's a health crisis, whether it's our preeminence in the world in technology, science, science, science, science. to say that wearing a mask is not based on science, i think, is not wise and that was my comment and that's all i'm going to say about that. yes, sir? >> on the january 6th committee. >> yes, sir? >> what steps would you like to
see them take next and how soon should they take them? you're about to go on a seven-week recess. >> the committee is its own functioning self. we made the appointments. we understood what our purpose was. we passed a legislation to establish it, but they will make their determination in terms of time, place and circumstances as we heard from the -- from the officers yesterday. that's how you make a judgement, and so they will make those decisions. i'm not involved in those decisions at all. >> did you take political backlash for the idea of how long it might go and the idea that it might bleed into next year. would you like to help them move expeditiously forward? >> the backlash, welcome to my world. that's every day on every subject, i barely notice. no. i mean, they will take the time that they need. i said that because we were very
late in getting to this because we were striving for the bipartisan commission which we thought was very possible. it was something that we yielded on every score in terms of makeup, who's on it, process, who can subpoena and timing, and they wanted it by -- we want it by the end of march. they want it end of december, fine. and that was even a source of questioning -- the senate, they wanted clarity about when that would be. so -- but now a few months have gone by since all of this discussion happened. they will take the time they need, follow the facts where they take them and do so in a way that is worthy of our constitution as we protect and defend it. so it's not about wanting to make it last long. no, it will take as long as they decide the need of time to
follow the facts, but i am not in that. they made the decision, and i salute them and they went right out and perhaps you were there when they went out and said we're going to have our first hearing and we will focus on the law enforcement officers. that was their decision and it was a wise one. >> mitch mcconnell is doing a number of radio ads in the coming day in kentucky to promote getting vaccinated in his state. what do you make of his effort and has he done enough to call out specifically some on the right who are spreading misinformation? >> i am glad that he's doing those ads. long overdue. this was so self-evident and so obvious. they must have been getting -- i don't know. maybe they were getting, to use your term, political backlash for not doing it as they now sadly see people suffering and in some cases with long-term
covid. so certainly, the republican party has been delinquent in embracing the science that people need to be vaccinated and that's why when we talk about the masking policy in the house following the guidance, we always just follow the guidance of the capitol physician. there is no discussion about should we do it, should we not for one reason or another. it's the decision of the capitol physician who is following the guidance of the cdc about the mask. people have known for a long time that we need to do the vaccination. i know a lot about viruses because i for 30 years have been working on hiv and aids. my very first words on the floor of the house were hiv and aids, and what i can tell you, if i
thought 30-some years ago when i took the oath that day and spoke about aids in the next minutes after that as in the special election, it was, a special swearing in. if i had thought then that i would have a cure for aids 30-some years later i would not believe that. we have quality of life. we have good therapies. we have good care. we have good prevention, but these viruses are very resourceful. they just -- they just mutate as they see fit, and in terms of what that means now, the mutations are engendered by transmittal. so more people who are vaccinated the less transmission, the less mutation, the less challenge for how do we deal with this new variant. so long overdue, but always welcome in terms of the leader
taking out ads. i am so happy for the people who will be getting that message who for some reason or other may have thought that -- that politicians know more about science than scientists. yes, sir? >> a number of members of congress have been identified as potential witnesses. if those members are called and they refuse to testify what message would that send and what steps would the majority take to compel that testimony, perhaps fines or something like that. >> perhaps i wasn't clear enough. this is the work of the select committee. they will make determinations as to where the facts will take them. they have said everything is on the table, and i've seen it in their public statements. that's how i know that. i would not be a party to any of
those decisions, so i could not tell you what they might decide should members not participate. >> -- that members be called for proceeding to testify, that they should observe those obligations? >> the question is about the power of subpoena, and they do have the power of subpoena, but let's just see where they go rather than speculate on a place where they may or may not go, and then we'll go from there. >> yes? >> what about between the administration and on capitol hill and the student loans. you just said the president can do this by executive order and the president said let's do it by legislation. can you explain why the administration and democrats in congress pushing for this are fighting this? there are not the votes to pass the bill. is that, in fact, the case?
>> back with me is nbc's leigh ann caldwell who has been watching this conference on capitol hill. leigh ann, what are the headlines? >> hi, jose. there are a couple of things. she touched on a couple of topics that we are following on capitol hill including the new mask mandate or requirement on the house side of the capitol which is causing a lot of drama as we speak. republicans are on the house floor refusing to wear those masks. earlier she called leader mccarthy a moron. that was at an earlier press conference. today she was asked about those comments and she said -- she didn't deny it, but she said people need to follow, science, science, science, she said, and then as far as the select committee is concerned, she's trying to distance herself from being heavily involved in the direction of that select committee saying where they move next if they are going to subpoena or call -- jose?
>> leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much. that does it for this hour. i'm jose diaz balart reporting for craig melvin. we thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell will talk with vivek murthy about the covid spread that when "andrea mitchell reports." i'll see you tonight on noticias telemundo. good day. this is andrea -- good day, everyone. this is andrea mitchell reports in washington, where the president tomorrow will be announcing a vaccine requirement for federal workers as a result of startling news over the delta variant in the next few days which experts say is 1,000 times more transmissible even for vaccinated americans than the alpha virus. the cdc is recommending that even vaccinated people wear masks indoors in highly transmissible parts of the
country. that is reversing its guidance from two months ago that fully vaccinated people can go mask-free indoors and it's a major setback in the efforts to project success against the virus. the cdc is saying all k through 12 student should wear masks in schools raising new concerns with some parents and new questions among the 163 million fully vaccinated americans. >> something has changed and what has changed is the virus. when a person gets infected who has been vaccinated, namely a breakthrough infection and they get infected with the delta variant that the level of virus in their nasopharynx is about a thousand times higher than with the alpha variant. on capitol hill tonight lawmakers remain fiercely divided on january 6th despite the testimony from four police officers who risked their lives to protect our democracy and the members of the