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thank you so much for letting us into your home during these truly extraordinary times. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. >> hi nicole. we begin with the testimonies of four officers attacked on january 6th. today is the day the official investigation hearing begins. if you have watched the news, you have seen much of the entry leading up to it. we are at the actual fact-finding, probing, what led
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to the insurrection and how it happened and what was president trump's role was? one officer made this striking comment about who sent the hit man. >> if a hit man is hired and he kills somebody, the hit man goes to jail, but not only does the hitman goes to jail, the person who hires them does. it was an attack on january 6th and a hitman sent them, i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> a hitman sent them. >> that's a legal statement there. it goes to the fact that in our system of laws, there is accountability above and beyond just the individual people who may carry out of that or beat someone or pull a trigger, those who went them. that mob was summoned directly
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by donald trump. the officers recounted their stories of what happened and what was done and what was done to them and the ongoing pain and trauma on january 6th. many of us seen the ugly videos on the news and online. until today we have not heard directly from these officers. >> i can feel myself losing oxygen and recalled and thinking to myself this is how i am going to die defending this nation. >> i was grabbed, beaten and tased all while being called a traitor to my country. i was at risk of being stripped at and killed with by my own firearm as i heard chants "kill him with his own gun."
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>> the medical mask i was wearing from the time was pulled over my eyes so i could not see. i braced myself against the impact of the blows and fear the worse. >> why is telling the truth hard? i guess in this america it is. >> that's truth. it is a documentary kind of truth of the people under oath and participating in this fact-finding forum. this is truth, this is facts. much of this is not debatable. those people demanding murder and terrorism, demanding to kill officers with their own guns. those were the people sent by donald trump to try to overturn the election so he can stay in power. the fact that i have to repeat these words on the news that these officers who do so much more than those of us who are covering it have to go and tell america about it is a testament
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of the fact that we are living at the time of the republican party is directly opposed todd this truth. that's the context for this. another moment was important when an officer bluntly addressed that political reality of how so many republicans but not all, so many empowered and continue to lie and down play regarding the violence. >> indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful. nothing, truly nothing prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day. in doing so betray their oath of office. those very members whose lives, offices and staff members, i was fighting so desperately to defend. >> that is so powerful is worth
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reflecting on. no capitol police officers have to go through that or have to say what he just said. but what he said is pretty powerful. he and so many others risk their lives to protect those elected in democracy regardless if they agree with them or not. it is some what rare development in modern times that so many of the members of congress and the republican party who take that protection for granted are out here lying about and undermining the work of those officers. that's what's going on and these officers are testifying to the committee that had to be organized differently because republicans demanded either they put liars on the committee trying to subvert the investigation or they don't walk which they did most of them as mccarthy put in place. the speaker wanted to keep it bipartisan. it is as clear as it is disgusting much of the themes we heard today.
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the themes of accountability also hang over this. what will this investigation do about the people pushing the lies and the people lying about a "stolen fraudulent election." >> people were shouting "trump sent us," "pick the right side," "we want trump,". >> some wearing maga hats and shirts that says "trump 2020," i told them to leave the capitol and they responded, no man, this is our house, president trump invited us here. we are here to stop this steal. >> i saw the christian flag directly at my front and jesus is my savior and trump is my president. >> this today is the first hearing of this will committee which has full subpoena power, the department of justice here
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making news today by clearing the way, there are a lot of signs they could be called, neal katija is joining us. we are joined by congresswoman elaine llaurel. our joy vance has been following this closely. good to have you both. che, have you ever seen a day like this and a hearing quite like this in modern politics in history? >> no. this was really unprecedented. what made it so unprecedented is you had four uniformed police
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officers, they are republican constituencies talking about the law and order of the public of the president sent people to attack them. it was stunning and riveting. it helps resolve one of the political question in the base that we have of the trump era. there is people who says oh, trump is a populist and he fires off tweets. there are others who says no, this man is a dangerous democracy, he's a want-to-be facscious. donald trump is a direct threat to our democracy and the people who protect our democracy such as those four police officers we heard from today.
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>> i think you laid out cleary, che and looking at your comparison what sometimes confuse some people about trump or those who wish to find naive interpretations was that his clownery and it is clearly what these officers were talking about today. joyce, i am curious of your big picture thought. you have the floor. i am curious of what you thought of the theme that ran throughout the law enforcement perspective that you worked alongside, federal agents in your career. they seemed to be trying to make sure everyone understands this could have been much, much worse. >> the select committee did something very important today that i think a lot of folks had hoped they would do but it was uncertain whether in this
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political environment that could be done. and that's that they transcended politics. anyone who heard today's testimonies from these four witnesses understood and likely revisited the feeling they have on january 6th which so many on the republican side of the isle seems forsaken that 6th was not a protest. there was no way to dress it up in nice clothing when you watched it on january 6th. the problem is what do you do about the part of the country that had not seen these proceedings today. that's one of the pressing problems that we face in this country. as you point out these brave men and law enforcement who stand and i think as representatives of all of the men and women in
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union and in uniform who held the line that day, they stand for something we have not seen a lot in this country of light. they pointed out today that when people called the police with an emergency, the police don't say are you a republican or a democrat? they just respond. that's the response. they responded on january 6th, the question is whether the committee can use this in essence to shame people who have forgotten the emotion of january 6th back into recapturing it and at the same time edge americans. a lot of people want this education and crave this education and other who is have been victims of charleston. the question is can they be brought back to believe there is a truth about these events. >> and one officer was very explicit in calling out members of congress who trafficked and insight the insurrection.
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>> it is disgraceful that members of our government, i believe were responsible for inciting that behavior. and continue to propagate those statements things like --you know this was 1776 and traitors, to me those individuals are representatives of the worst that america has to offer. >> a passionate statement there from an officer and eyewitness. take a listen to congresswoman cheney discussing her party's role. >> look, almost every member of
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the republican conference understood in days immediately after january 6th what it actually happened and many of them said so publicly. and, the feedback that so many members of your leaderships and others have gone from recognizing on what happened on the 6th to protesting in front of the justice department on behalf of those who were part of the insurrection is something that i can't explain. i think it is a disgrace. >> che. >> yeah, to be honest with you, liz cheney, she was absolutely terrific and i thought her question was on point and her statement was great. kevin mccarthy tried to turn these hearings into a farce. what he did had been a debacle
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for the republican party. if he had worked with nancy pelosi and not try to have the -- he could have distanced the house gop, gop congressional candidates from the riot and insurrection. instead he's chosen to do the opposite and embrace this insurrection because he feels he needs to embrace donald trump. the result is going to be nobody in the caucus can be happy with the results. the trump people don't feel he's loyal enough and the non-trump people can only be furious at the course he's charging here. >> i have got other experts coming in. joyce, i want to give you a chance because i saw you were flagging some legal confusion of deadly weapons and that discussion and i want to give you a chance to speak to that before we bring in congresswoman.
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>> and an interesting aspect of the reporting on this issue and the public commentary is people who have been uncertain about whether or not this crowd was armed, were they carrying dangerous weapons and we heard the former president and there were not others on the republican side on the isle suggested that, federal law is very clear. it is not just guns and knives considered to be dangerous weapons when you are assaulting someone. any items can become a weapon depending on how you use it. the flag poles and everything that was used by this crowd as we watch these videos this morning. what you saw was a picture of a violent, armed gang and a violent armed riot that was trying to enter the capitol and assault armed members of law enforcement. there is no doubt about what we saw that day. it was criminal conduct.
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>> i appreciate that. a bit of a legal check. my thanks to joyce and chai, to another special guest on a busy day on the hill, congresswoman elaine who's on the committee, thank you for making the time tonight. >> thank you. what do you think people should take from today's testimonies, what is it important at the investigative hearing today conveys? >> look, i think that for those of us in the room and i imagine for those watching around the country and on tv as we saw scenes replayed and the officers there subjected to the utmost brutality and threats of their lives, seeing and hearing and putting together of their stories, to truly understand how dangerous that day was and how dangerous the people were who came to the capitol. it struck me this comment that it was made by one of the
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insurrectionists in the video, we didn't come here to be violent, we come here to overthrow the government. the fact that we have to take this seriously. the threat to our democracy and those officers courageous to tell their stories today. they were the last line of protection that we had. >> so many republican leaders have now joined the side of discussing the riot inaccurate terms to say the least. is it your view they are all just comfortable lying about this or are they confused or unlike certain debates, this is one where you are all in or near the venue to say nothing of the video, y'all went through it. what is it like trying to work through this with individuals who are lying of what happened in the building you are speaking to us from. >> liz cheney said it well in
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her remarks. everyone including mccarthy understood the gravity of it and the violence that happened and since then they just forgotten and this truly discredits the pain physical and emotional with those officers. we heard from four of them today and hundreds more who responded and saved the lives of the people in the capitol and saved the process of certifying the election results and saved our democracy. the fact that they twisted this into something else and tried to whitewash it and make it go away and make it -- appears that it is peaceful protesters or tourists in the capitol -- it is, it is just disgusting. >> yeah. we are running over on time on this block. i want to ask you as a member of the committee, do you support seeking the testimony of kevin
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mccarthy and donald trump? >> you know what we said, all the members of the committee agree. we are going to go where evidence takes us. nothing is off the table. we'll leave no stones unturned until we get all the evidence to understand what happened that day. >> copy. we did want to ask. congresswoman luria, a busy day for you and your team, thank you for making time for us on "the beat." >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up, what the officers recounted today about the antipolice attacks as well as the blatant racism of january 6th. why that is on the record and important to the investigation. plus, a new decision that puts more heat on trump officials, our neil katija. we have a special expert so you will get exactly what you need to know on the other big story
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from officers. i want to show you officer dunn recounting what he heard on that day. he testifies how the day's violence came with racist attack. >> no one ever called me a [ bleep ], while wearing a uniform of the capitol police officer. another black officer told me he was confronted by insurrection at the capitol who told him, put your gun down and we'll show you what kind of [ bleep ] you are. >> we are joined by mark claxton, what did you think watching that testimony? >> very impactful and a bit
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emotional. i anticipated being affected by a testimony by what occurred that day and the opportunity to speak to some officers directly involved. i wish there was a way not to bleep out the word, i think it is important to recognize how violent and offensive and disgusting the insurrection was. if we edit out our own reality and allowing people to deny it and some legs to stand on, i think it was important of what officer dunn expressed it in the way he received it so people can feel the impact. it is important to acknowledge
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that the use the word indicate the insults of the officers had to endure on january 6th and it ties neatly to something that the fbi director christopher wray testified before congress about and that's the threat of domestic violence extremist, particularly those who are white supremacists and he went as far to say those individuals are on par with isis and i don't think we really addressed our accepted that as our official government policy but that's what christopher wray indicated. >> we have a standard department deciding on a case by case basis when things are edited or
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bleeped. you raised a legitimate question on a case to case basis. this is ugly and disgusting racism on the record of a kind that is a part of this nation's living history, i say living because it comes out of the racism that's in the founding document. here it is today and all the movement and so we really have to be clear as you encouraging us and everyone to be and accurate in what is ugly and disgusting. i want to ask you from an investigative standpoint how much it matters and on day one, there is dealing of the fact that this would be a crime as an insurrection if that was all it was by which i mean simply for political ends, it would be a crime to storm the capitol and attack officers, period. the fact that it brings up the
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evidence of a hate crime and of a white nationalist insurrection of the kind that reminds people of what we have in this country from the white southern rebellion. how is that porn for the investigation because some of those early videos didn't capture all of these accounts and words and other things that show how much of this and the evidence was white terrorism. >> once you get a full picture of the insurrection, you are able to establish clear lines. you can establish those clear lines as an investigator, to individuals who have typically or routinely and divisive and racist language and engage in that kind of conduct. you want to be able to show that this is not some spur of the moment and random tourism going wrong. rather this is a deliberate,
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structure, organized race-based or race involved insurrection and it should be prosecuted as such or at least let's have all the facts and information so that we can identify who the culprits are. if they have ties and connections with some of these domestic violent extremists of some of these white supremist organizations, we have to identify them. i concur with the state, all of the officers who said, part of what we want to know was who else was involved? what other hands were involved in this particular insurrection. we want to identify and address and dealt with accordingly. >> yes. also, i want to get your specific reaction of the officers testifying about facing these violent attacks from people who falsely and
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hypocritically -- >> a man yelling here comes the boys in blue. >> until then i had never seen anyone physically capitol police or npd, led alone witness mass assaults being perpetrated on law enforcement. >> when someone kneels while calling for social justice. we are the same people expressing our rage condemn the violent attack on law enforcement. >> marq, we want to give you time to speak on this. we have so many tragedies and it is hard to keep up from the
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summer protests to what we see of covid and january 6th hypocrisy and the republican embraced the people attacking the blue, an earlier guest tonight mentioned that the hypocrisy and talking about law and order and the blue. if this were a movie and they needed to show political movement was full of bs in its claims, you could not strip a disgusting proof point of it than what's now on video and what's being shown on the 6th. >> let's be clear about something. blue lives are smurfs. it is never been about police lives. it is all about something other than respecting the law and order if you will and the sanctity of human life. what has been all about and
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continues to be about is a little movement trying to pull as many of these so-called solid blue collar workers in spite of and this is what amazed me about police, they tend to rally around these blue line nonsense things. oftentimes those same people who were the biggest promoters of everything blue have turn their backs on you and denied of total justice. it is a lesson to be learned. >> i think that makes sense. i hope people who are listening to you and others who have done the work. we have our shortest break now. the big doj ruling and neil katija is going to break it down. stay with us. katija is going to break it down stay with us that new dove breakage remedy gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove
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today. here we are kicking off the week, i want to get into another aspect of this. every time a new administration comes into office, there is always a big decision on when to hold the line on executive prerogative. the biden administration may be doing things may benefit trump officials. it comes down to a matter of policies and ethics when exceptions are made. that's the basic framework for the headlines you may have seen. most justices should be clear say they try to do what's fair on a case by case basis. the justice department is serving up bad news for trump administration veterans saying it will not use doj power trying
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to shield them from testifying to congress about january 6th or internal deliberations involving donald trump to overturn the election. indeed this is committed to paper, this is on the record piece of news. the doj citing the attack and the exceptional circumstances as it pursues these investigations. so that shuts the door and reduces one avenue officials may have to try to duck testimonies. this could happen. i want to give you a little bit of history here because this really matters when you think about all of that testimony today which is the first day of the probe. high-ranking officials have faced this situation. there was a house probe like hillary clinton's benghazi probe where she gave 11 hours of testimonies. president bush himself faced commission for hours. they made arrangement but he still did it.
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>> this is an important commission and it is important that they ask the questions they ask so they can help make recommendations necessary to better protect our homeland, i answered every questions asked. i am joined by someone who saw exactly through these kinds of questions. general neil katija. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> a lot of people criticized some things coming out of the garland justice department where is they have fairly or not followed a kind of president that involves shielding government officials, executive branch and etc. today looks different. i read from their rational. explain this to us and how rare is this and what does it mean?
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>> the justice department traditionally protects the prerogatives of a president including formal president who don't have a vindetta. that's the general way that a department works and the department also protects something called executive privilege. it has a sealed secrecy around deliberate processed decisions. we don't want courts or testimonies about like foreign affairs or military operations when you are in the midst of light. that privileges is waivable. if it turns out insurrection aid and comfort for those types of
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folks -- that's what the decision today reflects. >> that makes a lot of sense and this came into the context of one of the senior ranking doj officials already under pressure from trump to pull strings or engage in what may have become a criminal plot inside the doj, and some levels of push backs or ignoring certain demands. for both individuals and the president themselves, what do you see here is possible for testimonies. we showed george w. bush of whatever criticisms with him clearly felt it was important of americans here would be an important cooperation. >> today's decision is a clean win for investigators and the american people. it sets up other even more important win. the justice department is basically making the right decision. if congress can't hear a testimony about an attempted
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coup and what the president's role in that, why bother pretending it has an oversight in the first place. the letter is striking and it uses exactly the kind of words i have been waiting for from this administration for six months. it acknowledges the serious accusations that donald trump put his personal and political interests above the country by trying to weaponize the justice department in the election. that's critical phrases. that's remarkable the see in a justice department document. >> neil, we have been doing this in our reporting and we rely on your expertise and sometimes you say things and i go oh yeah right, that's literally the situation. you just said well, you have to have an investigation of an attempted coup that tries to enter the justice department and that's literally what happens
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and it sounds terrible and like a movie. my final question to you, how important is it for this probe to look at things that may not be technically federal crimes, the justice department that overthrows the election did not necessarily get very far. doj does looking at the actual riders and people who did break the law. there is as much more important thing which is was there conspiracy to weaponize the justice department to overturn election results. it seems like there is some evidence about that and that's what the investigation of today and commission today, these letters make it so justice officials have to deaf or hire personal lawyers to void testimonies and ultimately this can lead to donald trump himself testifying and the formal acting attorney general and the chief of staff, mark meadows, all
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these people are potential folks or subject. they don't have executive privilege anymore. >> all useful information neil, thank you as always. we go back into a whole different direction. there is new guidance from the cdc about masks. you want to hear what it is. the president is looking at a new way to push vaccinations and encouragement and support and rules that may make people participate more. we have an expert, next. people participate more we have an expert, next. your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some, rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,
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will you require all federal employees vaccinated? >> it is under consideration right now. >> president biden putting out the word and covid is getting worse with daily cases doubling. officials concerned of the intensity of antivaccine. missouri in the hot zone, some patients disguiing their shots hoping to keep their vaccination choice a secret. >> they had several people who have tried to disguise their appearance and even went so far like please, please, don't want
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anybody know that i got the vaccine. >> the cdc issued this new guidance today that even fully vaccinated people should go back to wearing masks indoors if they are in a covid hot spot region. wear your masks indoors if you are in a hot spot. >> i am joined by expert, director for center of infectious disease, the university of minnesota and someone warned far back as march that if vaccination rates did not improve, we can end up in a situation like this. >> you are right although i prefer you to be wrong, sir >> well, this virus is obviously a very, very real challenge for us. and, we knew then and now, if you don't get people vaccinated, you are going to expect for it to happen. that's the case right now. >> yeah, a lot of this is coming
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from what you may call the second or third way mood that people who immediately got involved and vaccinated and particularly at risk groups and healthcare committee, now we are in a stage that you need to get the rest of the population and information of the people getting is a big part of it. we covered this. i want to get your expertise on the chart and it shows a correlation of people's media habits of vaccination rates is up around 80 % of these people watching as you see there and plunges down to 62% for fox news. what do you see is the public health challenge there? >> well, we know that there are actually pockets of under vaccinations which corresponds to believes.
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we are seeing major under vaccination in the black community. it is not a simple one answer if you can get this group or that group to get vaccinated. less than 2% of the population is vaccinated. we have 100 million people in the united states that have not been vaccinated or previously infected, there should be no surprise why this virus is taking off and doing what it is doing. even in countries that are much highly vaccinated than we are like united kingdom and israel. we know it is infectious, the delta variant, we have to get vaccinations much higher than we have now. >> when someone says to you, well, i hear all that but i am just going to wait longer, i want to see how it all plays out. what's the best medical scientific respond to that?
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>> you know you can't run the clock out on this one. this virus is so infectious, it will find you if you are not protected from vaccination. it will find you and infect you. that's what we have to get the message across people. you can't wait this one out. you will know a covid outcome if you are not getting vaccinated or another. that's the message we have to keep getting out there. this is a vaccine that not only can save your lives but the lives of your loved ones and the people you work with and the people that you may spread the virus to if you are infected. >> yeah, i think that's important when you put it like that and particularly somebody taking as a premise and they're assuming they are not getting in infected. it is always good to have you here mr. holmes. >> thank you. i am going to fit in a break. an update on what everyone is
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can your internet do that? there's a lot going on in america, but now we turn to the olympics. four-time olympic gold medalist simone biles pulling out of the team competition in tokyo, and it's not over a technical physical injury. biles explaining, she wanted to make sure she was focusing on and protecting her own mental health. >> i just felt like it would be a little bit better to take a back seat, work on my mindfulness, and i knew that the girls would do an absolutely great job. i say put mental health first because if you don't, then your not going to enjoy your sport and you're not going to succeed as much as you want to so it's okay sometimes to even sit out the big competitions to focus on yourself. >> it is okay, and it might be very helpful to people to hear this, even if it involves some balancing or personal sacrifice.
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the u.s. squad still taking only silver in biles' absence. she also stayed on the floor being a part of the team effort and cheering on her proud teammates. she has not decided whether to compete in thursday's individual all-around competition. we also have an update with some news coming out of the doj. it involves a very controversial pharma bro and also wu-tang and maybe your tax dollars. we'll explain. dollars we'll explain. so, you have diabetes, here are some easy rules. no sugar. no pizza. no foods you love. stressed? no stress. exercise. but no days off! easy, no? no. no. no. no. but with freestyle libre 14 day, you can take the mystery out of your diabetes. now you know. sir, do you know what you want to order? yes. freestyle libre 14 day. try it for free. experience our advance standards safety technology on a full line of vehicles.
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one more headline and it's one you don't see every day. the doj selling the only copy in existence of a famous album by the hit rap group wu-tang clan. it's legal news because it's part of the criminal case against the pharma bro, martin shkreli. he bought the album at an auction for $2 million but the fed seized it helping claw back millions of dollars shkreli owed the government after being
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convicted of fraud. the doj hasn't said who they sold it to or what the amount was. that album is titled "once upon a time in shaolin. okay, i'm out of time. "the reidout" starts now. tiffany cross is in for joy. hi, tiffany. >> hi, ari. i suspect you know who bought that album. i suspect it's you. >> i wish. >> all right. well, cash means everything around me so i better earn it. i'm take it from here. have a good night, my friend. good evening, everybody at home, i'm tiffany cross in for joy reid. we begin "the reidout" with that stunning testimony from capitol hill. the bipartisan select house committee investigating january 6th heard from those four police officers who risked their lives to defend the capitol. those officers described the

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