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and thank you our viewers for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. this is a tough business to run for president. >> you're a tough guy, jeb i know. >> we need a president -- >> i'm at 42, you're at 3, so far i'm doing better. >> doesn't matter. >> so far i'm doing better. >> one of the many times donald trump insulted jeb bush. jeb's son however cast his lot with the former president in a bid for texas attorney general. >> texas is precious and we must protect her. under the leadership of president trump our country was strong and vibrant again. >> so how did trump return the favor? by endorsing george p. bush's republican rival. >> you know, we -- we've been trying to tell people for about
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five years now, tried to tell paul ryan, off and on air, before he endorsed donald trump the day or two after he called him a racist, that he's a bully and you don't -- you don't negotiate with bullies. and you don't grovel, because when you grovel with bullies, they spit in your face. and that's what's happened time and time again with republicans. and, you know, again, all this groveling what has it gotten the republican party? minority status in the senate, the house, they've lost the white house. they now seem to be -- their two main planks right now seem to be voodoo when it comes to health care, letting people die. they're on the side with wild
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anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists. and then basically forgiving the violence of what happened on january the 6th. trying to forget the violence, ignore the insurrection. so voodoo and violence. that's really not something that a party wants to side up with. but, mika, again, though, on this personal front, you cannot suck up to a bully. it never works. it didn't work for paul ryan, it didn't work for the republican party, and it didn't work for george p. bush. a guy who i followed his career, and really liked what i saw. it's unfortunate, to say the least. >> all he had to do was see what happened over the past four years and he would have known what his fate was. >> and also, mika, really quickly. see what happened with ted cruz in his own state. donald trump suggested that ted cruz's father assassinated john
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f. kennedy. donald trump said the ugliest things about ted cruz's wife. just shameful things. and ted cruz threw his family under the bus politically, and basically kept sucking up to a guy who insulted his family. it's just -- it's not something that we've really seen in washington where people can insult family members and you still have this big suck up that we just keep seeing. and it never pays off. it never pays off. that's just the thing i will never understand these people suck up to trump and it never pays off for them. >> it's a cult. 75 million people voted for a guy who was willingly letting people die from the coronavirus. hundreds of thousands of people. it's not even an exaggeration or
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a metaphor. it's a cult. you see that cult within the gop, and there's a split between those who are members of it and those who are not. and you can see it on full display as congress begins the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. kevin mccarthy, cult member, is now taking shots at members of his own party for their willingness to serve. and it all comes at another perilous point for the country. the body public has been so poisoned, that americans would rather get covid than a vaccine to keep them alive. and we'll talk about ways to change that. but if you watched our show yesterday, you heard joe making a strong push for vaccine mandates for health care workers, nursing homes, teachers and other employees under federal jurisdiction. and as the day went on, we saw a number of new vaccine mandates
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rolled out across the country. california, new york city, now requiring vaccinations or weekly testing for all their employees. and the department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to issue a vaccine mandate, which would require front line workers to receive covid vaccine shots. in a moment, nbc's gabe gutierrez has a report from alabama. the state with the lowest vaccination rate in the country. but first, nbc news correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest on the pivot towards mandates. >> reporter: well before any fall surge some hospitals across the nation are already struggling to manage the 60,000 new daily covid infections plaguing the u.s. as icus fill up, some models suggest our nation could see upwards of 4,000 deaths a day by october. the 100 million americans who are unvaccinated driving the
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numbers and the risk, even for those who are inoculated. >> if you allow the virus to freely circulate because so many people are unvaccinated, you give it yet again another opportunity to mutate even more and you may wind up with creating a variant that, in fact, eludes the protection of the vaccine. >> reporter: as new inoculations plateau, pfizer and moderna at the fda's urging are expanding the size of their vaccine studies in children 5 to 11, amid rare reports of heart inflammation in younger americans. a precautionary move like the idea of bringing back masks nationwide, said to be under active consideration. st. louis county joining savannah georgia in reimplementing the policy. >> these numbers are too alarming to ignore.
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>> reporter: vaccinations should be mandatory for health care workers, the department of federal affairs became the first to require vaccines for medical staff. >> they're going to require all working in the facilities have to be vaccinated. >> reporter: the state of new york and california saying workers will have to show proof of vaccination or face weekly testing. >> the individuals' choice not to get vaccinated is now impacting the rest of us. >> reporter: boosters could be needed for those 65 and older as well as those with compromised immune systems. covid cases are rising in every state, so is the risk to all americans, including the vaccinated. >> icu barbara norton learned one of her covid patients in her 20s just died. >> it's sad to see people so
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sick and see their families suffer because they can't be with them in the hospital. >> reporter: did you think there would be another wave of this? >> i didn't. i thought we were on the other side of it. >> reporter: and yet hospitalizations in alabama have soared more than 300% since july 1st. just 34% of the state's population is fully vaccinated. the lowest rate in the country. >> it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks with not the regular folks. it's the unvaccinated folks letting us rise. >> reporter: they saw a rise from patients, but they're much younger. >> there are a number of reasons people are hesitant to get vaccinated here. there's a lot of mistrust of government mandates of guidance that comes down from on high. >> reporter: here and across the south, that mistrust runs deep. tennessee based conservative radio host phil valentine didn't
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think he needed the vaccine but now changed course after getting covid and ending up in the hospital in serious condition. >> his not getting it, influenced other people not to get it. and that is the regret of his life. >> reporter: medevac pilot rickey ham did get vaccinated but tested positive three days after getting the shot before it fully took effect. he'd spend 187 days at the hospital and now has this message for those still skeptical. >> nobody wants to go through this and a lot of people that went through this didn't come out. is it worth not taking a shot? that to me is stupid. a group of nearly 60 major medical organizations, including the american medical association and the american nurses' association issued a joint statement yesterday calling for all health care and long-term care employers to mandate their employees be fully vaccinated against covid-19.
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and a new survey shared with "morning joe," shows that a majority of nurses support vaccine mandates for workers. in the study, 58% of nurses said they were in favor of employers requiring vaccinations. and joining us now, president of the american nurses' association dr. ernest grant. given the changes even in the past 24 hours and the mandate to either get vaccinated or get tested, what has been the response among nurses across the country? and how does weekly testing really work compared to the vaccine? >> well, thank you very much for having me. there's been an extremely positive response to the mandate. nurses are realizing that, you know, they need to be vaccinated in order to provide the care that is needed. and also to prevent the possibility of acquiring the
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virus and taking it home to their families or spreading it to the people that they serve. and the differences between, you know, the weekly testing is that there's always the potential that right after an individual has been tested they could acquire the virus and begin to start shedding, you know, the virus before the next time that they are due to be tested. so, you know, that's the main differences between require the mandate and/or the weekly testing. >> the weekly testing, obviously, seems like a poor substitute for a vaccine that's often 95% effective. dr. grant, a lot of us saw surveys earlier this week, late last week, that showed that up to 40%, 45% of health care workers at senior facilities, retirement homes, were not vaccinated. that was shocking to us.
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can you give us any insight from what you heard why some health care workers seem to be hesitant to get those vaccines? and do you have any doubt at all that we should have a requirement for health care workers to get those shots, especially if they're working with our senior citizens? >> those are some very shocking numbers. i'm in agreement with you there. i think it boils down to the fact of those health care workers needing more education about the vaccines and how they work so they can do that. but anyone who is -- we expect health care workers, nurses particularly, to model the behavior that they expect the patients that they care for to model. so, therefore, if you know that you're going to be working with a very high vulnerable population, such as senior citizens, then it's extremely important that you take every effort that you can to make sure
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that they are kept safe. so we would still continue to encourage that those who are in long-term care also adhere to this mandate and also become vaccinated. >> president of the american nurses' association, dr. ernest grant, thank you. next hour we'll speak with the recent head of the american medical association and also new york city mayor bill de blasio on the mandates he continues to roll out for city employees. this morning the house select committee investigating the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol will hold its first hearing. this is the compact room where nine members of the bipartisan committee will meet. nbc news has learned that committee chair, benny thompson and the former number three ranked republican in the house, liz cheney, are expected to deliver opening statements. >> it's going to be a really
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important opportunity to remind everybody about the necessity of accountability for what happened. >> this first hearing will feature these four police officers. all of whom were at the capitol on january 6th. two are from capitol police and two are from d.c. police. the four will describe what they faced that day, including the moment d.c. officer daniel hodges was crushed at a doorway of the capitol, screaming in if pain. >> this is something, mika, that these four police officers, these law enforcement officers are four people who, again, will expose those who want to hide the truth of january the 6th. will expose those who claim that january 6th, just tourists, just tourists walking through there. just a normal day for tourists,
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will expose the lies of ron johnson who said nobody had any reason to be worried about the people coming up. they're just good, old american patriots. and expose the lies of donald trump who said it was antifa and it was black lives matter marches. those lies will be exposed. again, you just wonder the -- well, what's a good word to use for it? i guess the kindest word i can use, stupidity. the stupidity of kevin mccarthy and the republican party to be opposed to these law enforcement officers. to put themselves on the other side of wanting to get to know the truth. they don't -- you know, a lot of these police officers, mika, you'll remember, were treated rudely when they went up on capitol hill to talk about their experiences on january 6th. some members turned their backs, walked away. it took one officer a while to get kevin mccarthy to meet with
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him. he said kevin mccarthy kept lying about their meetings. finally got in to talk to him. but again, all of this lying by trump supporters and in the capitol saying that we need to support the blue. we need -- blue lives matter. no, it doesn't. not to them. it didn't matter to them. not on january the 6th. i guess they're saying they support law enforcement officers, they support cops, only when it fits their political agenda. but if it doesn't fit their political agenda they say to police officers, literally, go to hell. they literally say to police officers we don't care what happened to you. they literally say to police officers brutalized and almost killed on that day, we don't want you to tell your story, because it might embarrass a former reality tv host. we don't want people to see what really happened on that day,
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because we want people to forget that the united states government was almost overrun. we want americans to forget about the insurrection that took place. we don't ever want americans to see the pictures, we don't want them to hear the testimony of law enforcement officers about being brutalized with american flags, almost killed time and again, saying they were thinking about their children, afraid they were going to die as they were being beaten to death by american flags. just within an inch of their life. they don't want anybody to actually understand that what was taking place here was not just a normal day at the capitol for tourists, it wasn't a bunch of patriots trying to participate in the government. it was full blown sedition. sedition if you actually care about what the statute says about a conspiracy to commit
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sedition. sedition if you actually care about what the law says. if you actually care about the rule of law, and right now make no mistake of it, republicans -- same republicans who are on the side of voodoo when it comes to vaccines, are now on the side of covering up violence. voodoo and violence, not really a good one, two punch for your 2022 plans. but that's where this republican party finds itself. and it's going to be -- there's no going to be polishing what these police officers say about what happened on january the 6th. >> speaking to reporters in the rose garden yesterday, house minority leader kevin mccarthy criticized congresswoman cheney and congressman kinzinger for joining the committee investigating the capitol insurrection. here's what mccarthy said, followed by cheney and
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kinzinger's reaction. >> some republicans have been saying that -- >> some republicans. >> -- the gop should play ball on this committee. >> really? who was that, adam and liz? aren't they kind of like pelosi republicans? >> are you a pelosi republican? >> we're about to get to very serious business here, we have important work to do and i think that's pretty childish. >> look, it's childish. we're doing big things right now. we're getting to answers in the worst attack on the capitol since the war of 1812. you can call me whatever names you want. i just believe that, look, bottom line i'm an elected member of congress, i'm a republican, kevin mccarthy is technically my republican leader and to call someone by childish names like donald trump used to do is par for the course. >> it's what people do.
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if you look at the facts, which kevin mccarthy doesn't ever do, liz cheney has like a 95% acu rating. 95% conservative rating over the course of her career, which is actually my conservative rating, but what i found out a long time ago and liz certainly has known for some time now, obviously by saying what's going on, this republican party, donald trump's republican party doesn't care about ideas, doesn't care about ideology, doesn't care about conservativism, it is disconnected from conservativism. it is all tribal. it's all about voodoo in medicine, violence on january the 6th, it's all about covering up actually what donald trump is doing. and so, kevin mccarthy resorts to childish name calling for, again, i don't know what adam's lifetime conservative rating is, but liz's is 95%.
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one of the more conservative members in the united states congress, by the way. and so, that's what they resort to. why? because that's all they have. they don't have the facts on their side. they don't have history on their side. so all he can do is act like a 3-year-old and -- or donald trump, same thing, and just throw names around. so lots of luck with that. it's not going to change the fact that four police officers are going to talk about how they were brutalized and almost killed by donald trump supporters on january the 6th, as they were trying to actually overthrow the government and commit sedition against the united states of america and stop the voting, which is constitutionally mandated, of the electoral college voting. but that's the party that kevin mccarthy will always be associated with. lots of luck with that, buddy. lots of luck with that. >> let's bring in former aide to
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the george w. bush white house, elise jordan, up way too early for us this morning. and prize winning columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" eugene robinson. elise, joe was using a kind word i think, stupidity, but to me these republicans like kevin mccarthy are making a choice that i think goes beyond stupidity. they know the facts and they were even there. so, where do we go from here? how does one deliver the truth to the american people when they have such a loud force propelled by donald trump and existing on capitol hill in republican leaders who refuse to actually face the truth? >> i do think that this commission and the hearings and the truth that is going to be heard from the testimony, especially today, of police
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officers who witnessed the hand-to-hand combat that happened, and it happened on january 6th when there was an insurrection at the capitol at the behest of donald trump. i think it's going to be powerful and i think it's important and i think that republicans might have overshot a bit in refusing to cooperate. because they are going to allow democrats to dominate the message and headlines, whether they like it or not. there's only so much avoidance that fox news and other outlets can do of covering what's actually happening, because the images are so sering and because the testimony is so upsetting. and you just listen to kevin mccarthy and just back to what joe was saying about how absolutely childish the comments are. donald trump was able to transfix millions of people with his rare blend of bullying and
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charisma but other republicans don't have it and comes off as such a cheap imitation and pathetic that they aren't more serious when donald trump everyone knew he was kind of a loon and expected that of him but then you have other leadership doing this. it just is so distasteful, you would think that the attack on their place of work and the citadel of american democracy would actually move republicans into action but i guess not. >> yeah, you would think that. you would think also that a majority leader -- or minority leader, i'm sorry, donald trump kept kevin mccarthy a minority leader again for a couple more years. but gene robinson, you would think is that a minority leader -- i keep forgetting all republicans are in the minority in washington d.c. because of donald trump. you would think a minority loser that called a loser president who just lost an election and was yelling at them to bring
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them some help, to call his people off and other people heard him saying that, he went around bragging to other people about how he had shouted to donald trump that they were his people. you would think that he would be interested in getting the truth out. but, of course, he's not. and these republicans, these republicans, these patriots who actually want to get the truth out and hear from our law enforcement officers who were brutalized that day, beat with american flags to an inch of their lives, kevin mccarthy, the republican party want these republicans to be part of their conspiracy of silence. so they can keep lying about january the 6th and say it was just tourists wandering through the capitol on that day. >> joe, on a human level, it's kind of pathetic, isn't it, i mean, kevin mccarthy. as you said, he was there, and understood at the time exactly
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what was happening. understood exactly who was responsible, donald trump. yelled at him to do something to call it off, to get some help to the capitol. and then, you know, very shortly thereafter sort of shrunk down to mar-a-lago to bend a knee to this absurd bully who dominates this big chunk of our politics. and it's just pathetic. but the question -- my question going into this hearing is, how hard does the trump cult information bubble try to keep all of this out? to keep out what is going to be aired at this hearing? to keep out the footage of the violent encounters, police
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officers being beaten and clubbed and squeezed and -- and in danger of losing their lives. the angry mob overrunning the capitol. to what extent are they going to really try to keep this out of their sort of fictional information bubble in which it was just tourists, you know, who dropped by and who, i think, as the former president said, were welcomed by capitol police. it was a loving scene, he says. just ridiculous and offensive -- >> sick. >> -- but a lot of people will believe that, because cults believe their leaders. and so, are they going to try to keep all of this off of fox news and news max and the other outlets or is it going to penetrate in some way? >> that will be an interesting
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question and we'll see how that plays out. we have some sad news to report this morning about a former united states senator. former wyoming senator mike enzi has died. he was seriously injured in a bicycle accident near his home on friday and immediately flown to a colorado hospital. according to a statement he passed away peacefully surrounded by his family and friends. the republican was elected to the u.s. senate in 1996, after serving as the mayor of gillette and a member of the wyoming legislature, he decided not to seek a fifth term in 2020, mike enzi was 77 years old. >> sad news. the senator when he got out of school, he decided to go into his family's business, had a shoe store and he expanded it.
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and after working with the family business, became mayor and then became a state legislature and then, eventually, became a member of the united states senate. well liked and so well respected and we are so sorry to hear this tragic, tragic news, just six months after he retired from the united states senate. we, of course, are praying for his entire family, friends and his staff members that worked with him throughout the years. this is a terrible, terrible morning for all of them and our thoughts and our prayers are with the enzi family and, of course, the enzis, the family that he had of staff members through the years on capitol hill. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," a shift in u.s. foreign policy as president biden announces an end to the combat mission in iraq.
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plus, lawmakers still haven't reached a final agreement on infrastructure, and now former president trump is telling republicans to abandon talks. also ahead, a couple of stunning upsets in the olympics. including naomi osaka's elimination from the tokyo games. and a 17-year-old alaskan teen is bringing home gold after knocking out a returning champion. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. 'll be righ. ♪ when i was young ♪ no-no-no-no-no please please no. ♪ i never needed anyone. ♪ front desk. yes, hello... i'm so... please hold. ♪ those days are done. ♪
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torch in tokyo this morning. olympic competition is under way at the tokyo games and the field of olympian tennis players competing in the fourth round of the women's singles tournament will not include japan's naomi osaka. osaka who lit the olympic cauldron in friday's opening ceremony won opening matches in two sets following a mental health break but she fell to former french open finalist of the czech republic in yesterday's third round. after the match organizers sai
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naom naomio kaka left and would not be speaking to media. and last night, the men lost in back-to-back 100 meter backstrokes. defending olympic champion ryan murphy settled for the bronze. team usa did add some success in the pool yesterday 17-year-old lydia jacoby became the first alaskan for a gold medal. beating king, who earned america another medal by taking the bronze. and off the japanese coast this morning, team usa adds another gold to its medal count in its sports debut at the games, the top ranked women's surfer in the world, american karissa moore, defeated her south african opponent to become the first women's olympic surfing champion. and in a first at the olympics
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for team usa american diving duo delaney schnell and jessica parratto won silver in the 10 meter this morning, the first time american women have medaled in the event. and the women's basketball team opened with a victory, defeating nigeria and defending its olympic streak to 50 wins, dating back to the bronze medal game in 1992. >> the women had a win. >> they did. sue bird and diana turassi are each eyeing a fifth gold medal, something no basketball player, man or woman, has ever achieved before. here's a look at the current medal count, the united states is on top with 22 total medals and is tied with china and japan for the most gold with nine. >> all right. >> and coming up, new york city is giving municipal employees an
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welcome back to "morning joe." former national security advisor, michael flynn, who twice pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and who sought to withdraw his plea and was ultimately pardoned suggested earlier this month that he would use a gifted ar-15 rifle to shoot someone in washington d.c.
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in a video posted on twitter and verified by nbc news, flynn is seen at an event at the church of glad tidings in california receiving a rifle as a gift from a man who says, quote, it's one of our top quality guns. flynn responded, quote, maybe i'll find somebody in washington d.c. some members of the audience laughed at the remark. the video was initially posted on the church's facebook page but has since been taken down. nbc news has attempted to reach general flynn for comment. it was only last month that flynn suggested, during a memorial day weekend conference, organized by adherence of the qanon conspiracy theory that the u.s. needed a myanmar-style coup. when asked by an audience member, quote, i want to know why what happened in myanmar can't happen here, referring to
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myanmar's overthrow and brutal crack down, which some qanon supporters have cited approveingly, flynn responded no reason it should happen here. no reason. and then flynn said that president trump could invoke marshall law to enforce new elections in swing states. it's important to remind myself and everybody here, this was our national security advisor. >> this was our national security advisor, elise jordan, who has called for martial law, military coups and now jokingly talking about assassinaing members of the government in washington d.c. a guy who has already pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi twice. any evidence needed for the
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cancer that donald trump was on american government, need to look no further than his first national security advisor. >> joe, and i -- what i find even more amazing than mike flynn's consistently just insane comments, the guy was in the u.s. military for 33 years and got rapidly promoted. he was stanley mcchrystal's right-hand man for years. he was promoted to the head of the defense intelligence agency by president obama. he managed to thrive within the military and no one noticed that he was a raging lunatic who, you know, seems to harbor some ideas of violence against his own countrymen and women. maybe that's an evolution in recent years but it's very, very disturbing that he was within the system and thrived for so long. >> was in the system, thrived for so long and had generals come on the show talking about
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how, in his time, he was very good at what he did. he got radicalized during the middle of the obama administration, especially when it comes to muslims and continues to become more and more radicalized, fired by barack obama, fired by donald trump. donald trump said he had no choice but to fire this man, because he lied to the fbi and he lied, of course, to vice president mike pence, and then, of course, donald trump pardoned him. but gene robinson, also hard to believe that for a guy -- we have a guy that used to hold the same position that i'll just say greats like brent skocroff and dr. barsinsky held the position. and we have a guy going around
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again talking about military coups, we needed a military coup in the united states, joking about assassinating people in the washington d.c. after he gets an ar-15. >> yeah. i think i feel like i'm back in argentina circa 1988 when right-wing crazy military officers or former officers calling for coups was a thing. and it's not -- that should never be a thing here. but it's -- it's just insane. the man clearly has lost his mind. you know, is he getting a pension? is he still -- a military pension? is he still in any way subject to military discipline? it's outrageous. and it's unhinged. but it's also dangerous. because it speaks to that fringe crowd that sort of laps this stuff up.
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he's gone just full qanon, i guess. but it's just -- it's -- it's appalling. it doesn't feel like the united states of america. but there we are. >> it is appalling and it is dangerous. yeah, it is dangerous. and, of course, he might say he's joking, but there are a lot of people in the audience there that actually seize onto those words, obviously. a lot of conspiracy theorists. it is -- talk to the fbi, talk to other people worried about security in the united states and washington d.c., it's dangerous out there and people like mike flynn make it much more dangerous. let's bring in right now, professor of princeton university, eddie glaude jr. his book "begin again" is out in now in paperback. you write about baldwin, he grappled with profound disillusionment after the murder of dr. king and yet held onto
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his faith in the possibility of a moment when we could all be fully ourselves, ha he referred to as a new jerusalem. i had to understand how he did that and what resources, as he confronted his dark america he might offer to me as i confront the darkness of my own. baldwin came to understand that there were some white people in america who refuse to give up their commitments to the value gap. for him, we could not predicate our politics on changing their minds and souls. they had to do that for themselves. our task then is not to save trump voters. it isn't to convince them to give up their views that white people ought to matter more than others. our task is to build a world where such a view has no place or quarter to breathe. remember when we had you on, great insights from you, i'm
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just curious a year later after writing this book, after going around talking about it, after remarkably successful, i know you had a lot of people reaching out to you across this country and the world to talk about the book, what have you learned and one later, what do you know today that you didn't know when you finished writing that book about baldwin and the state of america? >> you know, joe, thank you so much for allowing me to come on to talk about the book. america is always changing but america never changes. one thing that is so important about the book is that we were in the midst of this reckonning. we try to grapple with our past and now we find ourselves confronting states trying to roll back voting, trying to
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disenfranchise black and brown and poor and young folk. whatever you think about the phrase, the quet around history. so, you know, there was a sense in which there is possibility in the book. there is also this sense of betrayal. what does it mean for the country to continue to turn its back on the possibility to being otherwise. will the country finally, you know, imagine itself differently? i've been on the show for five plus years now. we've been having this conversation. what i do not want, what i hope we continue to do is that we continue to put this on the front burner. we have to figure out how to be differently in this country. gene robinson is with us and has a question for you, eddie. >> yeah. eddie, so what is your view
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about this cross roads? which way do you think we're headed? i mean, you know, because i can see us taking the path. america never changes is right. it has been right up until now. can you be optimistic that we'll take this different path that can lead to a new america, the america that is being born or do you think we're going to double down on the way things always have been? >> well, eugene, you know, it looks as if we're experiencing in real time the reassertion of what i call the lie in the book. this insistence that, you know, we have to be, you know, the shining city on the hill without sin. we don't want to confront the ugliness of who we are. i'm not optimistic but i'm hopeful. i have a faith and abiding faith
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in the capacities of human beings to be otherwise. it's a challenge though. you know, we find ourselves in this moment experiencing what i called these rolling civic power outages. whether it's january 6th, whether it's the attack on voting, you know, whether it's the refusal of our fellows to get vaccinated. there's a sense in which american democracy is in peril and the kind of grid that allows it to function. it's kind of short circuiting over and over again. so i'm not optimistic. i hope we understand the crisis is important enough for us to really address it directly. you know, joe, gene and i are from the hurricane country. we know about the front end of a storm. it's really bad. then you have the eye of the storm. then the tail is coming. the tail is really bad. st we have the tail of the storm still ahead of us. >> well, i'm not the only one -- i'm not the only one from hurricane country. we have the mississippi caucus
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here. i will now go to the third member of the mississippi caucus here, elysse jordan. when you're from mississippi, you spend your nights listening to ole miss or mississippi state football on saturday nights along with tornado warnings every 15 minutes. so we can tell you a lot of tornadoes off the end of hurricanes. >> yes, that's where i'm from, tornado country indeed. so eddie, i would just encourage everyone to read your tremendous book, the writing is beautiful. the message is so powerful. but shifting gears a tiny bit. let's talk about bob moses and his legacy and what he did for mississippi. and what can we learn from the amazing bob moses? among so many civil rights organizers was just so humble and did so much for mississippi and mississippians and the country and the world.
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and what can we learn from him and how can we apply his lessons to today? >> thank you so much for asking that question. bob moses is one of my heroes. i wouldn't be here fit wasn't for his sacrifice in the state of mississippi to make young people like me possible. what i see -- i remember walking with bob moses at princeton. he was with us for a year. he told us a story about what they sought to do in the delta of mississippi. he brought all of the share croppers into the courthouse and the judge asked him, why are you bringing the folk here? and said, in effect, this is what we mean. we want to expand the scope of democracy. we want to in some ways affirm the capacity of every day ordinary people to be the leaders that they've been looking for. his faith in us, his undying courage and his willingness to sacrifice without the need to be called the black leader, without the limelight, but to create the
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conditions under which america could genuinely be a multiracial democracy. my god, we lost a giant. but he's left behind a legacy that i think we should all follow. thank you so much for bringing him up. >> and, you know, eddie, let's talk about that legacy for a minute and talk about balancing this discussion again. i say this only, it comes to mind with elysse here and you here and mia, three people that grew up in mississippi. i was born into a segregated south. bob moses lived most of his life in a segregated south. james baldwin lived most of his life in segregated america. but in first grade, mississippi integrated. i was blessed enough to be in an integrated class. much has changed over the past 50 years. much has changed because of people like bob moses.
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i guess the question is, how do we stop young americans from being discouraged? how do we give a perspective about how bad things were, how far we have come, the changes that people like bob moses made and how we build upon those changes? >> it's a very difficult question. i can only imagine what bob felt on his deathbed as he witnessed the country, grappling with the question of voting. as he saw the ugliness of trumpism and, you know, the ascendance of white supremacy. there's moments where you get
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the boulder almost up the hill and then it seems you have to start all over again. and so part of what i wrote -- why i wrote -- how do we muster the energy to push the boulder up the hill again? it has something to come up with my situation and my fathers which isn't the same of his great grandfathers. there is progress. but how do we do with the ugliness of now. i would say this to you as my good friend. how do you speak to the america we want to bring and be in. how do we speak from your perspective? and that's the key. it's not just in our hands. it's not just in my hands. it's in our hands. >> it's in our hands. i'll tell you the way we do it is we speak about it. we talk about it. like you and i have been doing
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for five years. and we speak the truth. this is what drives me crazy. i know we have to go to break. this is what drives me crazy. when i start hearing people talk about critical race theory. i'll be honest with you, i just zone out now. because it seems on both sides people are like they're shoveling -- if they're against it, all the garbage they can shovel in and call it critical race theory. on the other side, it seems, people shovel -- and we're talking about definitions. this is really pretty damn simple. people on both sides are saying this is the truth. this is only the truth. america is racist. america is irredeemable. america is doomed. that's on one side. then on the other sishgsd you have people talking about 1776 and we're -- there's mesh exceptionalism. we're the greatest country ever.
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and the freest country ever. and we have made extraordinary progress and blah, blah. on and on. you know, gene robinson, as we say on this show it seems every day now, because you know we're such mindful people, you and i. two thing kbz true at one time. 1619 can exist with 1776. an exceptional american country. we fed and freed more people than any country in the history of this planet. i can take pride in that. yet, understand the words of 1776 really didn't even begin to be realized until 1964. 1965. until after i was born. >> yeah. that's when we first started on this path that we're on right
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now. those two truths, they can exist together. we can work together. and try to make this country a better place. still. >> they all do exist, joe. it's 1619 happened. 1776 happened. 1964 happened. just teach american hist rich. just teach the history. >> yes. >> teach the actual history. >> preach! >> and guess what? it's complicated. and it's scratchy. and it's not all -- it's not all beautiful and it's not all ugly. it's sometimes really messy. but it happened. it's true. just teach that. and that's where we need to start and what we need to do is stop denying that history. any part of that history. it all happened. it's all true. and it all makes us who we are, what we are now.
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and provides, you know, we need to know that in order to get to a better place. >> is it complicated legacy? we've had complicated leaders. we're all complicated people. but eddie, let's get behind that rock and start pushing it up the hill again, buddy. >> indeed. together. together, joe. >> together. >> thanks for being on, eddie. it's an incredible book. we love talking about it. >> his book, "begin again." is that in paper back? it is just a few minutes past the top of the hour. now on this tuesday, july 27th. eugene robinson and elysse jordan are still with us. joining the conversation we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and as the nation faces an explosive growth of covid-19
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cases from virus variants, new vaccine mandates are being rolled out across the country. california and new york city are now requiring vaccinations or weekly testing for all their employees. in a moment, we'll speak wlif live with new york city mayor bill diblasio. a vaccine mandate requires new york front line workers to receive shots. the mandates come as justice department lawyers say that federal law doesn't stop private businesses or public agencies from requiring covid-19 vaccines. the opinion released yesterday from the department's office of legal counsel opens the door for more businesses to require the shots for u.s. workers. joining us now, former president of the american medical association dr. suess an --
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susan bailey. 60 major organizations including the american medical association issued a joint statement calling for all health care and long term care employers to mandate their employees be fully vaccinated against covid-19. thank you very much for being on the show. first of all, can the vaccine be mandated completely? or must front line workers and health care employees have the option of getting tested weekly? >> thank you for having me. we believe getting tested on a regular basis is not enough to stop the spread of covid-19. there's great precedent for health care institutions to
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require vaccination among their employees. we've required flu, hepatitis "b" and other shots. most important thing is protect our patients. and we need to protect our health care workforce so that we can prevent the spread of these diseases within health care institutions and to our families. >> so -- and i completely agree that testing once a week is not the same. you could be carrying it for several days before that test result comes back. that makes sense scientifically. isn't it a fact that this vaccine is under emergency use? use authorization as a result you can't completely force people to get it or mandate it or can you? >> we believe that the current emergency use authorization standard which was developed last summer is so close to the official buy buy logical
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licensing approval that in the time of rising case numbers and the spread of the delta variant that it is time to call on mandates for employers to have their employees and we hope that other business sectors will follow suit. we have tried so many different things to get immunization rates up. we've been in a foot race with the delta variant. the delta variant is in the lead. it's time for everybody to step up and do their part and protect their fellow citizens and get vaccinated against this terrible virus. >> elise jordan? >> dr. bailey, it seems like common sense that health care workers should be vaccinated to prevent the spread among the patients they're treating.
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but what other industries do you see as high risk and as probable they might be to also do a vaccine mandate. we encourage all businesses to look at it. but businesses where employees are in very close contact with the public in enclosed endoor spaces. transportation industry. many essential workers. anyone that can be in contact with individuals that might be spreading the virus need to think about vaccination or providing incentives and making sure employees have time off to get the vaccine and maybe a little bit of a cushion in case they don't feel well for a day or two afterwards. people don't need to worry about losing their jobs to go get vaccinated or to perhaps have some mild side effects that need a day to rest. we need to make everything possible to get people
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vaccinated easily. the vaccines are safe. they're effective. even against the delta variants. and it's time we ramp this up. >> all right. dr. susan bailey, very strong words. let's bring in bill diblasio. you heard dr. bailey, mayor diblasio. right now you're requiring front line workers, i believe, to either get the vaccine or get tested. do you think you ought to ramp up that mandate to be complete to the vaccine? >> what we announced yesterday was hospital workers and now all city workers. 400,000 people. they'll have to either be vaccinated or tested weekly. i want to emphasize that either/or really creates a positive pressure for
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vaccination. because it will be the responsibility of the employee to get tested on a regular basis. and that comes with its own challenges. we're really depending on personal responsibility. that's going to say to people, just get vaccinated. get it done. be safe. help your colleagues be safe. don't have to go through the hassle of weekly testing. but to your larger question, look, i think we're all climbing a ladder here very rapidly. i think we need to look at every form of mandate and that's public sector and private sector. i've said to the private sector in new york city, any private sector entity, go ahead and do a full mandate. if that is something you feel can you do and works for you, do it now. everyone is in a different situation. but go as far as you can go right now. because we have to stop the delta variant. >> are you surprised, mr. mayor, by so-called conservative leaders who are actually banning businesses, small businesses,
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small family restaurants, entrepreneurs from running their businesses the way they want to run their businesses. and if they want to require somebody to get a vaccination to come in to their store for business reasons? for safety seasons? for liability reasons? that some of the so-called conservatives that are, i say they're actually socialists not letting the free market run its course, but are you surprised by some of these actions? >> joe scarborough, you're leading the witness. i really think you're on a very good point here. i believe it is -- if people say they believe in american values of liberty and tell someone mom and pop business, you know, we're going to cancel you because you want to keep safe or you want to protect your community, i would put that right squarely in the unamerican category. if you say, hey, everyone has a
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right to run their business and people are trying to deal with the global pandemic. this isn't an every day problem. it's a global pandemic that killed huge numbers of americans and will kill more if we don't do something about it. the anti-vaxers are criminal at this point. what they're doing to this country is undermining our future. they really are. they're taking away the future of this country because if go backwards, if we go back to restrictions and shutdowns, this country will be in a horrible, dangerous place. in terms of our lives, livelihoods and economy. if we don't get it right on vaccination, we're going to lose a huge number of americans. there are people pedaling this message for their own profit. then attacking people trying to
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do it the right way. we have to confront them. that's why the mandates are so crucial. >> it's just so ridiculous that the same people that are running around, mike barnicle, saying it's unamerican for a mom and pop hamburger joint to require somebody to come in to get vaccines so other customers will feel comfortable and can come in as well, especially in areas where this delta variant is spreading, those people that say that somehow a preach of their constitutional rights, they were all vaccinated with five or six vaccines to get education. they vaccinated their children five or six times before they could go into preschool or kindergarten. so again, it is an argument that really holds absolutely no water. after 50, 60, 70 years in the united states of america requiring vaccinations to get a public education? these arguments are out of context. and out of historical context
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make absolutely no sense at all. >> joe, this country has never gone through anything like this, never mind we've been through a virus like this 100 years ago. but nobody's ever been through the politicalization of masks, of vaccines. and it is destroying parts of this country. and mr. mayor, you have 1800 public schools in new york city. you get 75,000 teachers. you have over a million students. so my question to you is how will this work out? who will be in charge of tracking who has a vaccine and who doesn't? who will be in charge of testing at schools? will it be done at individual schools or testing centers? >> we went down this road last year. i made a decision to open our public schools. a lot of schools were not willing to reopen. we did. we had hundreds of thousands of
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kids in person in new york city public schools. thank god for it. our kids need that. they need it again now. we're coming back full strength in september. we did a full testing program in every school. we know how to do that. our employees understand how to go through that. but what is good about our department of education right now is high level of -- excuse me, high level vaccination. and we're going to do a major vaccination drive for kids 12 years old and up. if my kids are going to school in september, i'd be running to get them vaccinated right now. and like what was said a moment ago, we used to do this as parents all the time. we have to shake people at this point and say come on now. we tried voluntary. we could not have been more kind and compassionate as a country.
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incentives, warm embrace. the voluntary phase is over. we can keep doing those things. i'm saying voluntary alone doesn't work. it's time for mandates because it's the only way to protect our people. >> i'm sure you're pretty good with political history, right. do you remember a warm bucket of spit or something like that? >> he said it wasn't worth -- the vice-presidency wasn't worth a warm bucket of spit. >> joe, we got to go on jeopardy together. political history jeopardy. >> you're right. so there is some people that would think that getting tests once a week are worth no more than that as well. we'll just say for the morning
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crowd, not worth a warm bucket of gatorade. politics is often an evolution or a revolution. i'm curious. are you going to try this weekly testing out as a phase in to an eventual full requirement that all teachers, all public employees, all cops, all everybody get vaccines? >> joe, you're asking the profound question. yes. we're climbing a ladder. i'm not answering yes to your question yet. yes, we're climbing a ladder. yes, we're in unchartered territory. that means we have to figure out what works. try things. see what the response is. keep pushing. the idea here is get everyone vaccinated. it's necessary. so what gets us there? sometimes the voluntary approach works? we think now saying you got to get vaccinated, if you don't,
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then you're responsible for testing every single week. that is a lot of responsibility. it's going to move a the lot of people to vaccination. it will be the moment they say, to hell with it, i'm going to do it. but if it that's not enough, i think we have to be ready to climb the ladder more. i think private sector ent tuesday can do some of that right now. public sector entities need to move as quickly as possible. this doj decision is important and helpful. we have to put pressure on this situation. evolutionary but fast evolutionary. >> yeah. all right. new york mayor bill diblasio. my jeopardy co-partner who also obviously read teddy white's making president in 1960. thank you so much for being with us. >> one of the greats, joe. >> still one of the greats. >> also help if the fda would fully approve the vaccine which is a process we need to look into. we mentioned the department of veterans affairs is the first major federal agency to require
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health care workers to get covid-19 vaccines. while defense department senior leaders have said preliminary discussions about making the covid-19 vaccine mandatory, "morning joe" medical correspondent examines the vaccine hesitancy that looms large among u.s. troops. >> with the highly contagious covid-19 delta variant accounting for over 80% of infections and a third of america's military still unvaccinated, the question looms, what will it take to combat the hesitancy that remains among our service members? we flew to the pentagon for an update from the assistant to the secretary of defense john kirby. what's the kind of general concerns that the military is having now with surging delta virus? >> certainly something we're watching very closely. and we are redoubling our efforts to inform and to educate and to try to influence people to understand that the value of these vaccines and to go get them. if the fda were to approve the
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vaccines, secretary austin and the leadership here would take a look at and examine the efficacy of moving to mandatory vaccines. we want to give time and space for the fda to do their job. >> is military preparedness part of the issue that you are worried about? >> absolutely. we haven't seen any operational impact to our units and our ability to defend this nation as i result of the virus. it's no the that there haven't been units and bases and ships here and there who have had outbreaks. they absolutely have. but as a force, we're still able to defend the country. we think part of the reason for that is that we have been so aggressive and informative about the safety of the vaccines and encouraging people to go get them. getting vaccinated is make shurg you're healthy and ready to defend the country. just like if you want to make sure your weapon is clean. and that your ship is ready to get underway. all the things that go into readiness this is part of that. and so you're not just helping yourself and keeping yourself from getting sick. you're helping your unit, your ship, your platoon, your command
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make sure they're ready to defend this nation. so we're trying to make sure people look at vaccination in a much more holistic way. it's about protecting your team, family, nation. >> 35% of the available population could vet the vaccine has been vaccinated. >> throughout the pandemic, alabama's base is maintaining critical training for pilots in close quarters. on our way there, a local hospital highlighted the deep connection of the military and their community. and the danger delta variant poses in a state that is almost two-thirds unvaccinated. >> you're definitely seeing an increase in numbers of cases and they definitely appear to be from delta variant. our patients are shifting younger. this time last year 2% of our cases were children. now about 20% of our cases are under the age of 18. we treat active duty military members, families as well as our independent contractors on the base. they're a big part of our
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community and very important to us. >> at the base, major general francis spoke to continuing operations throughout this new wave of infections. >> as we get ready to implement new procedures, we communicate with the local community and our local force here to ensure that we're communicating why we're doing it, what conditions are driving us to do that. the vaccination works. it reduced the number of cases we had here since we implemented vaccinations. for those not vaccinated, we have them using all the mask protocol that's were in place prior to the vaccinations. it is voluntary but we certainly encourage our folks get to the vaccine. what is particularly challenge about us here is that we launch 400 aircraft a day in confined spaces. as we see conditions changing around us, we made the decisions with medical guidance and with guidance from the cdc and from the department of defense and department of the army on the procedures that we're going to put in place to ensure that we can continue to produce aviators for the united states army. >> the military is a reflection
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of america. they watch fox news. the they watch msnbc. they listen to leaders and talk radio. they're influenced just like everyone else in america. >> iraq war veteran and 9/11 first responder then shared his perspective on military vaccine hesitancy. >> i was required to take more vaccines than i count. you don't get to opt out for personal reasons. you're supposed to put your personal allegiances and priorities aside for the betterment of our country. the military has to be about the best and brightest. if you don't understand the impact of vaccines, you're probably not right for the american military. you have ability to make people do things. can you make people go to war. can you make people lose weight. can you make people take vaccines. that's part of why the military is effective. you can get everyone on the same page. so the president here in my opinion dropped the ball. he could have mandated the military be among the first to get the vaccine to show that our military is courageous and willing to demonstrate
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leadership and selfless sacrifice. he is the only commander in chief in a generation who has had a child serve in combat. bo served in the military. president biden understands what it's like to send a kid to war. he can speak to the military in a personal way that most people can't. if they can pull out the war powers act to produce vaccine, they can find a way for the president to mandate the vaccine to everybody in uniform. if they don't understand, it's a great way of weeding out the people who don't want to be on team america. this is literally a choice between standing with america or standing with our enemies. either you're with us or against us. whether it's january 6th, 9/11 or the vaccine, we all have to be on the same page. our enemies are going to be celebrated. >> how right. >> really strong. >> great package. thanks for. that a couple things in there that were really is it your opinioning. one in that alabama hospital where dave and the team interviewed the doctor. 20% -- she said 20% of covid-19
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patients this year are kids. >> yeah. >> under the age of 18. minors last year it was 2%. >> younger and sicker. >> that's younger and sicker. and that's why parents who aren't getting the vaccines have to understand they're putting their children's health in danger. another issue, mike barnicle, again, he underlines the fact that -- i've been talking for a couple days how we had to get five, six shots before going to school. we had to give our kids five, six shots before they were able to get a public education. paul said, hey, when i was in the military i got more vaccines than i can count. here's the example. sort of this bizarre world that we're living in post trump. where what used to be normal, what used to be accepted
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guidelines, what kept soldiers and sailors and marines and airmen and coast guard members safe, we're now, like, being hesitant because there's a political controversy around science. it makes no sense, mike. it makes no sense. >> we should play paul's comments over and over and over again. they pertain more than to just the american military. joe, you know, having represented a fairly substantial base in your district in florida. the american military is unique in many ways. it is the greatest military in the world. it is also the military. and so there is a way to deal with vaccine the way the military deals with most other things during the course of any
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ordinary day. paul is correct. the pentagon and presidentst united states, commander in chief, they could do that with the snap of a finger. a verbal order. get the vaccine. either get the vaccine or go home. and that's the way you get the thing done. >> shupt they do that? shouldn't joe biden do that? shouldn't they do that today? get the vaccine. if you want to be here, you know what we're going to do? we're not doing anything radical here. we're doing what we have been doing for 240 years. and getting vaccines to take care of not just yourself but your buddy who's next to you day in and day out. that's what you got to do if you want to be a part of team america.
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>> you know, you just put your finger on one element of the military. that's the closeness of the military. every day you work alongside platoon, company, whatever. it is close quarters every day. and the idea that they have not been ordered to get a vaccine or dismiss, discharged from the united states army, the marine corps or whatever, is kind of -- it's a mystery. they could do it with a single, single executive order. get the vaccine. save your life. save the lives of others. >> so let's bring in former chief of staff to the dccc. she is senior aide to the hillary clinton and joe biden presidential campaigns. i wonder, adrian, and in terms of the strategy for democrats and for this president to get
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behind these vaccines seems like being on the side of right. i know you can say oh, we have to wait for full fda approval. but, i mean, there are organization that's are moving forward without it because it is being used on mace scale under emergency use authorization. it is now proving to save lives. we're watching the science play out before our eyes. when are democrats going to get fully behind this and this president? >> well, we can first of all i'm glad you mentioned fda approval. i have talked to several people in my life, many of whom are from arkansas, my home state, who have said oh, i'll get vaccinated when the fda approves this. i do hope this is something we see coming around the corner. you know, but look, here's what we got to keep in mind. the administration, look at how far we've come in the last six months since joe biden took over the white house. 60% of adult americans are fully
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vaccinated. they're trying to close that gap, of course. they're trying to get to 70%. but this is where, you know, they need partnerships with the private sector. and with, you know, mayors like bill diblasio taking a stand and saying only, you know, public sector employees have to be vaccinated. that's the only way that we're going to close this gap. the administration can do everything that they've done so far. i think they've done a great job. they need the partners in the private sector and they need partners in the state and local level to help move this forward. i think that's what you're seeing. even in some of the red state mayors and governors. of course, the governor of alabama, you know, when you start seeing some of those folks come forward and saying get vaccinated, that is also what is narrowing the gap and closing the gap in some of the states, you know, where you finally are seeing people who supported trump and who have been skeptical unfortunately about getting vaccinated. st so we're starting to see more of a team effort here.
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think that partnership with the private sector is extremely important. >> i think we can expect more coming on this. this morning the health select committee investigating the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol will hold the first hearing. joining us now is one of the committee's nine members, congressman pete aguilar of california. he is vice chair of the house democratic caucus. also with us, former senior adviser for the house oversight committee. he is the columnist for usa today and "l.a. times" and an adviser to the dccc. >> thank you for being with us. congressman, what do you hope to learn from this committee? >> what we're going to hear today is from the capital police officers. the two capital police officers and the two d.c. metro police officers are going to share their perspectives because as we know, as folks tried to deny events of january 6th, the officers are going to share
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their first hand perspective of everything they did. >> and what is your overall goal? what is the overall goal of the committee? i'm curious. for you, what is your hope? >> the goal is to get to the truth. the goal has always been to get to the truth. and i'm thankful that we have partners, democrats and republicans sitting at that table that are dedicated to getting to the truth of what happened that day, what caused the events, led up to the events, funded events of january 6th and everything we can do to protect the capitol moving forward. that is the gold standard. we talked about the 9/11 report being the gold standard. that's what we want to produce at the end of our activities for january 6th. >> so republicans you speak to
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on the floor, republicans that you speak through in your day to day activities, are they openly hostile to this? leadership doesn't want to get involved into the bottom of january 6th? sh. >> many of them were on the house floor just like i was on january 6th. so they should be focused and willing to help us get to the bottom of what happened. but like you said, so many of them, they just want to deny that it happened. this wasn't a tourist vent. the capitol police officers, metro police officers will talk about that today. they're going to share their stories and perspective. it will be emotional. but all of my colleagues should understand and embrace and want to know what happened that day, what led up to those events and how we can continue to protect the capitol moving forward. >> can you explain to viewers
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why -- i you know this is a big question. i must say, even though i was a member of congress and there for some time, i find it surreal that republicans that are there now, my former party, aren't interested in getting to the truth. i also find it surreal that you and other people who want to get to the truth are actually walking around in the same building, the same place, working with people on committees that again are dedicated to a conspiracy of silence covering up this insurrection. i got to ask, how do you work with them in good faith on any issue if they don't want to work in good faith with you and the entire congress getting to the bottom of an insurrection that could have ended the lives of mike pence, nancy pelosi, a lot of senators. but for the great work of
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capitol guard. and house members as well. i mean members barricading themselves with police officers up against a door that entrance, that front entrance that the president always walks through for the state of the union and claiming they're just tourists hanging out. how do you work with those people? >> you know, i was 15 feet from that door as people were banging on it. you know, i think for each of us it's a little different, joe. everybody's going to be allowed the space that they need in order to move forward. you know, i try to work with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. i don't, you know, use their vote to not certify the election. it's not the end all or be all of my individual relationships with them. but i'll tell you, it does color a lot of the conversations and a lot of the work that we do. and for some of us, myself included, you know, we're not -- we can't get over that. we can't get past that. and it's hard.
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because what they did after the attack on the capitol was to come back in the same building and vote not to certify a free and fair election. seen i think it's hard for us. it's hard for me. and so that's what i can speak to. but every day i try to get up and i try to work on behalf of the people. en that means building a coalition and trying to work with folks. i'm an appropriator. and you no he the adage. if there are democrats, republicans and appropriators and we try to work together in that room as well. i'm going to continue to commit to do that moving forward. >> good for you for continuing to try. congressman pete aguilar, thank you so much for your service to this country on this committee. kurt, you've been through a few of these oversight committees in the past on the republican side. what -- any concerns going into
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this? do you think the democrats and the republicans on the committee are sufficiently focused and can do what they need to do to get to the bottom of the truth? >> yeah. joe, i think that they are. i think part of the reason why i'm not concerned coming into this is because for the first time in any type of proceeding we're not going to have jim jordan interrupting every five seconds trying to derail the proceedings. we're not going to have a gaetz like figure up there trying to misdirect the witness and engaging crazy conspiracy theories. we're going to have democrats and republicans committed to getting to the truth. committed to hearing from the witnesses. committed to doing the work of the committee and not doing the side show, pr stunts we see so frequently from republicans during congressional proceedings. that's become the hallmark of really what this republican party is about. you go back to the last four years during the trump years, and all that we saw from republicans during any type of
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congressional proceeding was antics and stunts and complaining and whining and interrupting. and now we don't have that. so we're going to finally have a straight forward fact based conversation that isn't going to get derailed by the characters. and for any republicans out there that want to call this partisan that, wants to complain about the structure, remember, they had the chance to get the 9/11 style bipartisan they wanted. what we're seeing is a by product of republican obstructionism and democrats not letting republicans off the hook. not letting republicans get away with it, they decided they're going to move forward and get the facts. i think it is a huge miscalculation on the party of kevin mccarthy to pull out any type of defense for donald trump because we all know trump is going to be watching this wall to wall on tv today. he's going to be sitting there wondering why isn't anyone defending me? why is it liz cheney and
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kinsinger up there who hate me. he's going too go crazy watching this proceeding because nobody is going to be there to defend him. >> just to play devil's advocate a bit, what is -- is there significant risk for democrats that republicans are more easily going to be able to tune out of the hearings? and just not going to be covered on the channels and the networks that they watch. and so are democrats missing an opportunity to make their case and by expelling a character like jim jordan, are they missing an opportunity for the worst representative to be on hand and doing thinks clown show? >> i don't think so. nancy pelosi allows him to have some sort of way. but this is not worth allowing that to happen.
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jim jordan made a mockery of what happened on january 6th. he's refused to believe that these were trump insurrectionists that were storming the capitol. and if she doesn't have any top tolerance for this type of behavior for something that is so serious that real leaders in congress want to get to the bottom of to make sure this doesn't happen again. she made, you know, can you argue that it was a potentially risky position. but going forward in a grand scheme of things, i think you need serious members. you got now two republicans on that committee who are very serious about getting to the bottom of this. you can still call it a bipartisan committee. look, i mean, you're right. there are some networks that probably won't show, won't air all the hearings. i bet you there is a lot of americans out there, you know, who may watch a different network than we're currently on right now that will find a way to tune into the hearings. they truly want to understand what happened, how we can get to the bottom of making sure this doesn't happen again.
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>> kurt, what do you expect mccarthy and the republicans to do today as this hearing goes on? one would anticipate that they'll try to distract attention somehow or things to come out and make some sort of absurd claim about the hearing. what do you expect? >> you know, i think they're going to try to do what they have been doing, continue to try to label this committee as partisan and therefore not credible. that's why it's so important that those of us that are in the media in any way provide the context for this. every time that i read a story that says pelosi declares war on republican party, i cringe and go crazy. she didn't declare a war. the republican party declared war on democracy in january 6th. what is happening is a direct result of the republican party's embrace of extremism. what nancy pelosi has done is
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put forward a necessary and meaningful democratic values and norms. this isn't a two-way street. this isn't something where both parties are on equal playing field. this is done by one party and the other party is trying to save us from them. i think that is important that as we see the stunts that are going to happen, whether it's from matt gaetz or marjorie taylor greene, the media provides the con. they is happen because they walked way from a bipartisan commission, because republicans inflicted and enflamed and endorsed tactics of january 6th domestic terrorists when they came into the chamber and tried to verify a free and fair election. everything had a that is happening is because they walked away from the table, not because nancy pelosi or democrats did anything to them. >> all right. kurt and adrian, thank you both for being on this morning. we'll be following all of this. still ahead on "morning joe," some breaking news to report right now.
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u.s. olympic gymnastics champion simone biles is out of the team finals competition at the tokyo games with an apatient injury. simone biles out due to an apparent injury. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. watching "" we'll be right back. u need! with customized car insurance from liberty mutual! nothing rhymes with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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with just over a month to go before the u.s. mission in afghanistan officially ends, president biden announce the the end of another long lasting u.s. mission. this one in iraq. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has more. >> president biden announced the end of an era that the combat mission in iraq is over again. >> our friendship with isis is critical for the stability of the renalon and our counter-terrorism cooperation will continue even as we shift
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to this new phase we're going to be talking about. >> reporter: it's the second time the u.s. has ended combat in iraq after president bush invaded in 2003 to overthrew saddam hussein claiming he was developing weapons of mass destruction and kicking off a civil war. it took nearly eight years of the u.s. to declare the combat mission complete. >> america's war in iraq will be over. >> reporter: then vice president biden with president obama welcoming back the last troops from iraq. but with u.s. troops out, iraq collapsed. becoming a safe haven for isis terrorists. so the u.s. went back in. president biden said that combat mission iraq ii is over. but this time, a few thousand u.s. troops will stay in iraq in a support capacity and conduct counter terrorist operations as needed. it's a very different picture in afghanistan where president
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biden is fulfilling a deal signed by former president trump to pull out nearly all troops by the end of august. the taliban are already making rapid advances. >> they are making rapid advances, obviously. real concern in afghanistan because all of america's troops pulled out there. but we're removing combat troops there. but as richard engel said, there was an agreement between the iraqis and the americans that the iraqis asked that we keep, i guess what they would call in the early 60s military advisors, counter-terrorism force which will make a big difference. a lot of people wish we kept the counter-terrorism force in afghanistan. we didn't. the consequences of that already apparent. hopefully we'll have better luck in iraq. >> so we have more now on the breaking news from the olympics. u.s. olympic gymnastics champion
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simone biles is out of the team finals competition at the tokyo games with an apparent injury. joining us now from tokyo, nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk. what more do we know? >> you know, you can't overstate what a crushing blow this is for team usa tonight. we don't know much quite honestly. i can tell you that we were watching the competition. we saw simone biles do the vault and land in this very awkward way. and we all kind of winced even just watching it. and we know that in the qualifying round, there were a couple of really uncharacteristic missteps from her. she did a vault and stepped out of bounds. there was a tumbling pass where they went completely off the floor. didn't seem like the simone biles we had seen in the past. but as you know, she's going to go on and compete in the all around event and we don't know yet whether this is going to take her out of that.
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but obviously tonight she is -- the pinnacle, not just of the gymnastics team but almost of the entire team usa and it's really a crushing blow. people are devastated to night. jordan chiles is stepping in for her tonight in the competition. it really changes the dynamic tonight considerably. dynamic t considerably. >> do we know anything more, stephanie, about the injury itself? >> reporter: we don't. and i wouldn't want to suspect what it might be. i really don't know. and we don't know whether it's something she just maybe needs a couple days of rest or whether she'll be out of all the competition altogether. there was such high expectations for simone biles. she is the athlete we've been talking about more than any other athlete, and certainly pulling out of this team competition, and god forbid, pulling out of the olympics altogether, i think there is going to be a collective conversation here about expectations on athletes and
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some of the pressure that's put on them, because, wow, this is just a tremendous blow for this team and terrible news tonight for team usa. >> stephanie gosk, thank you very much for the update on this breaking news. coming up, coronavirus cases are surging across the country, and now some state and local officials are rolling out vaccine mandates. plus, house minority leader kevin mccarthy mocks two members of his own party for participating in the january 6 select committee. how those republicans are responding. "morning joe" will be right back. joe" will be right back
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sports, baseball on the west coast last night, gitani had a good run. only gave up one in seven innings. and the dodgers were once at bat last night thanks to perdugo. three pretty incredible comebacks over the past four or so games. >> amazing comebacks, joe. last week against the yankees, sunday against the yankees, five runs in the bottom of the 8th to win that game 5-4, and last night, as you pointed out, alex dugo, red sox up by one. maybe having watched too much baseball with my wife for too many years, one of the things that strike me is the cameraderie of this team. you can see them in the dugout.
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they talk about baseball all night long. they have a lot of fun playing this game. no one has more fun in baseball or is more fun to watch, i would submit, than raffy devers, their incredible baseman. they are a joy to watch, and last night was a real joy. >> a real joy, and i tell you what, mika, i was just looking at the "morning joe" records on our supercomputer. i think this is the first time in all the years of "morning joe" we've ever discussed red sox baseball. i think we need to do that more in the coming months. >> yes, let's do so. wow. i just wonder if there wasn't this disinformation or misinformation in facebook or media if we wouldn't be having this problem with vaccine mandates. we're going to go to knoxville, tennessee where doctors are pleading to those
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this is a tough business. >> you're a tough guy. you're tough. >> you're never going to be president of the united states. >> i'm at 42 and you're at 3, so so far i'm doing better. >> doesn't matter. >> so far i'm doing better. >> one of the many times donald trump insulted jeb bush. jeb's son, however, cast his lot with the former president in a bid for texas attorney general. >> texas is precious and we must protect her. under the leadership of president trump, our country was strong and vibrant again. >> so how did trump return the favor? by endorsing george p. bush's republican rival.
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>> we've been trying to tell people for about five years now. tried to tell paul ryan off and on air before he endorsed donald trump the day or two after he called him a racist that he's a bully and you don't -- you don't negotiate with bullies and you doechbt grovl, because when you grovl with bullies, they spit in your face, and that's what's happened time and time again with republicans, and, again, all this groveling, what has it gotten the republican party? minority senate in the senate, minority in the house. they've lost the white house. their two main planks right now seem to be voodoo when it comes to health care, letting people continue to die there on the
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side with wild anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists, and basically for getting the violence that happened on january 6, trying to forget the violence and ignore the insurrection. voodoo and violence, that's really not something that a party wants to side up with. mika, again, on this personal front, you cannot suck up to a bully. it never works. it didn't work for paul ryan, it didn't work for the republican party, and it didn't work for george p. bush, a guy who i had followed his career and really liked what i saw. it's unfortunate, to say the least. >> all he had to do was see what happened over the past four years and he would have known what his fate was. >> and also, mika, really
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quickly, ted cruz in his own state. donald trump suggested that ted cruz's father assassinated john f. kennedy. donald trump said the ugliest things about ted cruz's wife. just shameful things. and ted cruz threw his family under the bus politically and basically kept sucking up to a guy who insulted his family. it's not something that we've really seen in washington where people can insult family members, and you still have this big suck-up that we just keep seeing. and it never pays off. it never pays off. that's the thing i just will never understand. these people suck up to trump and it never pays off for them. >> it's a cult. 75 million people voted for a guy who was willingly letting people die from the coronavirus,
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hundreds of thousands of people. it's not even an exaggeration or a metaphor, it's a cult. and you see that cult within the gop and there's a split between those who are members of it and those who are not. and you can see it on full display as congress begins the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. kevin mccarthy, a cult member, is now taking shots at members of his own party for their willingness to serve. and it all comes at another perilous point for the country. the body politic has been so poisoned that americans would rather get covid than a vaccine to keep them alive. and we'll talk about ways to change that. but if you watched our show yesterday, you heard joe making a strong push for vaccine mandates for health care workers, nursing homes, teachers and other employees under
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federal jurisdiction. as the day went on, we saw a number of new vaccine mandates rolled out across the country. california, new york city now requiring vaccinations or weekly testing for all their employees. and the department of veterans affairs is now the first federal agency to issue a vaccine mandate, which would require front line workers to receive covid-19 vaccine shots. in a moment, gabe gutierrez has a report from alabama, the state with the lowest vaccination rate in the country. but first, nbc news correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest on the pivot toward mandates. >> reporter: well before any fall surge, some areas across the nation are already struggling to manage the 60,000 new daily covid infections plaguing the u.s. as icus fill up, some suggest
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our nation could see some 4,000 deaths a day by october. the 100 million americans who are unvaccinated driving the numbers and the risk, even for those who are inoculated. >> if you allow the virus to freely circulate because so many people are unvaccinated, you give it yet again another opportunity to mutate even more and you may wind up with creating a variant that, in fact, eludes the protection of the vaccine. >> reporter: as new inoculations plateau, pfizer and moderna, at the fda's urging, are expanding the size of their vaccine studies in children 5 to 11 amid rare reports of heart inflammation in young americans. a precautionary move like the idea of bringing back masks indoors nationwide, said to be under active consideration. st. louis county joining savannah, georgia in reimplementing the policy. >> these numbers are too
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alarming to ignore. >> reporter: as major medical organizations say vaccinations should be mandatory for health care workers, the department of veterans affairs became the first federal agency to require vaccinations for medical staff. >> veterans affairs is going to, in fact, require that all docs working in facilities are going to have to be vaccinated. >> reporter: the state of california and new york city also announcing public employees will soon be required to show proof of vaccination or face weekly testing. >> an individual's choice not to get vaccinated is now impacting the rest of us. >> reporter: with health officials confirming booster shots could be needed for americans 65 and older as well as those with compromised immune systems, covid cases are rising in every state, and so is the risk to all americans, including the vaccinated. at the university of alabama at
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birmingham, alabama, she learned that her co-worker just died. >> it's really sad that people won't get vaccinated who are in the hospital. >> reporter: did you expect another wave? >> i honestly didn't. i thought we were on the other side of it. >> just 34% of the state's population is fully vaccinated, the lowest rate in the country. >> it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. it's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. >> reporter: over the weekend, this hospital saw a sharp rise in covid patients, from 35 to 48, far less than it had seen back in january. but these patients are much younger. >> i think there are a number of reasons that people are hesitant to get vaccinated here. there is a lot of mistrust of government mandates, of guidance that comes down from on high. >> reporter: here and across the south, that mistrust runs deep.
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tennessee-based conservative radio host phil valentine didn't think he needed the vaccine but now has changed course after getting covid and ending up in the hospital in serious condition. >> his not getting it influenced other people not to get it, and that is the regret of his life. >> reporter: medevac pilot ricky hamm did get vaccinated, but he acquired covid-19 before it took effect. he spent 87 days in the hospital. >> nobody wants to go through this. a lot of people who did never came out. is it worth not taking a shot? that to me is stupid. >> a group of nearly 60 major medical organizations, including the american medical association and the american nurses association issued a joint statement yesterday calling for all health care and long-term
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care employers to mandate their employees be fully vaccinated against covid-19. and a new survey shared exclusively with "morning joe" shows a majority of nurses share mandated vaccinations for employees. 58% are in favor of all employers requiring vaccinations. dr. grant, given the changes in the last 24 hours and the mandate, either get vaccinated or get tested, what is the response of nurses across the country, and how does weekly testing really work compared to the vaccine? >> thank you very much for having me. there's been an extremely positive response to the mandate. nurses are realizing that, you know, they need to be vaccinated
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in order to provide the care that is needed and also to prevent the possibility of acquiring the virus and taking it home to their families or spreading it to the people that they serve. and the differences between the weekly testing is that there is always the potential that right after an individual has been tested, they could acquire the virus and begin to start shedding the virus before the next time they are due to be tested. so that's the main differences between requiring the mandate and/or the weekly testing. >> yeah, the weekly testing, obviously, seems like a poor substitute for a vaccine that is often 95% effective. dr. grant, a lot of us saw surveys earlier this week, late last week, that showed that up to 40%, 45% of health care workers at senior facilities,
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retirement homes, were not vaccinated. that was shocking to us. can you give us any insight from what you've heard why some health care workers seem to be hesitant to get those vaccines, and do you have any doubt at all that we should have a requirement for health care workers to get those shots, especially if they're working with our senior citizens? >> well, those are some very shocking numbers. i'm in agreement with you there. i think it boils down to the fact of those health care workers needing a little bit more education about the vaccines and how they work so that they can do that. but anyone -- we expect health care workers, nurses in particular, to model the behavior that they expect the patients that they care for to model. so, therefore, if you know that you're going to be working with a very highly vulnerable population such as senior
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citizens, then it's extremely important that you take every effort that you can to make sure they are kept safe, so we would still continue to encourage that those who are in long-term care also adhere to this mandate and also become vaccinated. >> all right, president, the american nurses association, dr. ernest grant. thank you. still ahead, if you ignore something, will it go away? kevin mccarthy is testing out that strategy when it comes to the fallout from the january 6 insurrection. but that's not going to fly with the committee investigating the attack, and we'll have the details next on "morning joe." " i'm searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time. that's why td ameritrade designed a first-of-its-kind, personalized education center. oh. their award-winning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests.
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select committee investigating the deadly january 6 attack on the capitol will hold its first hearing. this is the compact room where nine members of the bipartisan committee will meet. nbc news has learned that committee chair benny thompson and the former number 3 ranked republican in the house, liz cheney, are expected to deliver opening statements. >> this is really an opportunity to remind everybody about the necessity of accountability for what happened. >> this first hearing will feature these four police officers, all of whom were at the capitol on january 6th. two are from capitol police and two are from d.c. police. the four will describe what they faced that day, including the moment d.c. officer daniel hodges was crushed at a doorway of the capitol, screaming in
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pain. >> by the way, this is something, mika, that these four police officers, these law enforcement officers are four people who, again, will expose those who want to hide the truth of january the 6th. we'll expose those that claim that january 6 was just tourists. just tourists walking through there. just a normal day for tourists. we'll expose the lies of ron johnson who said nobody had any reason to be worried about what was going on, the people that were coming up, that they were just good old american patriots. we'll expose the lives of donald trump who says it was antifa and black lives matter marches. those lies will be exposed. again, you just wonder -- well, what's a good word to use -- i guess the kindest word i could use, stupidity. the stupidity of kevin mccarthy and the republican party to be
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opposed to these law enforcement officers, so put themselves on the other side of wanting to get to know the truth. a lot of these police officers, mika, you'll remember, were treated rudely when they went up on capitol hill to talk about their experiences on january 6th. some members turned their backs, walked away. it took one officer a while to actually get kevin mccarthy to meet with him. he said kevin mccarthy kept lying about their meetings. he finally got in to talk to him. but, again, all of this lying by trump supporters in the capitol saying, oh, we need to support the blue, we -- blue lives matter. no, it didn't, not to them. not on january 6. they support law enforcement,
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they support cops only if it fits their political agenda. if it doesn't fit their political agenda, they literally say to police officers, go to hell. they literally say we don't care what happened to you. they literally say to police officers brutalized and almost killed on that day, we don't want you to tell your story because it might embarrass a former reality tv host. we don't want people to see what really happened on that day, because we want people to forget that the united states government was almost overrun. we want americans to forget about the insurrection that took place. we don't ever want americans to see the pictures, we don't want them to hear the testimony of law enforcement officers about being brutalized with american flags, almost killed time and again, saying they were thinking about their children, afraid they were going to die as they were being beaten to death by american flags. just within an inch of their
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lives. they don't want anybody to actually understand that what was taking place here was not just a normal day at the capitol for tourists, it wasn't a bunch of patriots just trying to participate, it was full-blown sedition. sedition, if you actually care about what the statute says about the conspiracy to commit sedition. sedition if you actually care about what the law says, if you actually care about the rule of law, and right now, make no mistake of it, republicans, the same republicans who are on the side of voodoo when it comes to vaccines, are now on the side of covering up violence. their own violence. not really a good one-two punch for your 2022 plans. but that's where this republican party finds itself, and there's
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no going to be polishing what these police officers say about what happened on january the 6th. coming up, liz cheney didn't need help from trump republicans on the day of the insurrection, and she doesn't need it now. how she's framing the investigation into the assault on our democracy, next on "morning joe." democracy, next "morning joe." ♪ ♪ welcome to allstate. where everything just seems to go your way. ♪ ♪ you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today.
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speaking to reporters in the rose garden yesterday, house minority leader kevin mccarthy criticized congresswoman cheney and congressman kinzinger for joining the committee investigating the capitol insurrection. here's what liz cheney and kinzinger said. >> they said you could play ball on this committee. >> really? aren't they kind of like pelosi
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republicans? >> this is very serious business. we have important work to do and it's pretty tragic. >> it's childish. we're getting to the answers of the worst attack on the capitol since the war of 1812. you can call me whatever names you want. i just believe that, bottom line, i'm an elected member of congress, i'm a republican. kevin mccarthy is technically my republican leader. and to call members of congress by childish names like donald trump used to do, i guess, is just kind of par for the course. >> that's what stupid people do, it actually is. if you look at the facts, which, of course, kevin mccarthy doesn't ever do, liz cheney has like a 95% acu rating. 95% conservative rating over the course of her career, which is actually my conservative rating, but what i found out a long time ago and liz certainly has known for some time now, obviously, by
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seeing what's going on, this republican party, donald trump's republican party doesn't care about ideas, doesn't care about idealogy, doesn't care about conservatism. it is disconnected from conservatism, it is all tribal. it's all about voodoo and medicine, it's all about violence on january 6, it's all about covering up actually what donald trump is doing. and so kevin mccarthy resorts to childish name calling for, again, i don't know what adam's lifetime conservative rating is, but liz is 95%. 95%, one of the higher -- one of the more conservative members in the united states congress, by the way. so that's what they resort to. why? because that's all they have. they don't have the facts on their side. they don't have history on their side. so all they can do is act like a
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three-year-old. donald trump, same thing, and just throw names around. good luck with that. it doesn't change the fact that four police officers are going to talk about how they were brutalized and almost killed by donald trump supporters on january 6 as they were actually trying to overthrow the federal government and commit sedition in the united states of america and stop the voting, which is constitutionally mandated of the electoral college voting. but, you know, that's the party that kevin mccarthy will always be associated with. lots of luck with that. coming up, disinformation for hire. how a shadow industry is quietly booming. we'll have the reporter behind that piece just ahead on "morning joe." joe."
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welcome back. top biden administration officials are reportedly weighing new mask mandates, especially indoors for areas with low vaccination rates. four sources with direct knowledge of the matter tell "politico" at the top it was discussed during a meeting with white house and health agency officials on sunday. but those mandates, if they get reimposed, won't come without a fight. the missouri attorney general sued st. louis for starting a mask mandate there. it requires that masks be worn indoors and on public transportation by all individuals over the age of five regardless of vaccination status. yesterday missouri's republican attorney general eric schmidt
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filed the lawsuit against the city, calling the mandate unconstitutional. and in tennessee, a passenger is threatening to turn away mask wearers from his church. according to the charlotte observer, pastor greg lock confronted his congregation at his bible church on sunday. he said, quote, if they go through round 2 and you start showing up with all these masks and all this nonsense, i will ask you to leave. the pastor quoted, i'm not playing those did he feel did he feel -- devil games in this church. his comments come as nashville saw three straight days of higher positivity rate. my god. >> you have pastors claiming to
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preach the gospel of jesus christ that he's going to turn away people who want to hear the word because they're wearing a mask. >> yeah. >> because they believe it's in their best interest and the best interests of their children, maybe they have a diabetic in the house, maybe they have someone with other underlying symptoms, and so they're going to wear that mask to protect their children, and you actually have a pastor that says he's going to leave and not going to preach the word of god to people who are trying to protect themselves and their families because they wear a mask? >> i'm just wondering where he gets his information. >> it's not from the bible, it's not from the new testament, it's not from the gospels. he should just leave, right? maybe they're more interested in politics than they are in faith, maybe they're more interested in the teachings of donald trump than the teachings of jesus christ, but that's one of the
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most unchristlike things i've heard about this vaccine coming from an evangelical preacher's mouth. executive dean at the college of medicine at the university of tennessee health science center in memphis, dr. scott strome. dr. strome, thank you for being with us. as states in the mid-south have among the lowest vaccination rates in the country, you say you never imagined lifesaving covid-19 vaccines would become a divisive political issue, and yet here we are. how did it happen? what are you hearing? >> well, thanks so much for having me. you know, vaccines are a staple of public health, and that's where we need to go. that's really the way that we are going to get out of this pandemic, particularly with the new delta variant affecting us so deeply. so it's just so unfortunate that vaccines have been politicized.
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they're not political, they're simply a lifesaving measure which i would encourage all americans independent of your party, independent of your idealogical beliefs to get. not just for yourselves but for your neighbors and for those folks, maybe for whatever reason, who are immunocompromised and can't get the vaccine. >> doctor, help me out here. my son and daughter-in-law live in nashville, and when they were visiting, they said, did you hear about the state of tennessee? the state of tennessee had decided they're not going to send out information like they usually do about vaccines. i said, you mean covid? they said, no, all vaccines. i was shocked. no, this sounds like facebook disinformation. i looked it up and saw that they did initially do that.
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can you explain what they did, and i guess they backed down and now are going back to that, but how disturbing is that to you that actually state officials decided they were not only going to work against education on the covid vaccines but also the vaccines that you and i and tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people have had to get into schools over the past 50, 60 years? >> yeah, i think, you know, from my perspective, obviously we want everyone to be vaccinated. the way tennessee works is a little bit different in the sense that shelby county where i live has an independent health department, so that didn't affect shelby county. and what i can say is that i think the state has largely reversed course, and i think that's very appropriate, and i'm very glad they did it, because, look, you know, right now in
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shelby county, our rate is the highest it's ever been throughout the pandemic. we have, of the eligible people who could be vaccinated, only 51% have received their first dose. and about 42% have received both of their doses. we anticipate in the next two weeks that we're going to have over 500 cases a day, and we anticipate that we'll have about 500 people in the hospitals and about 140 people in the icus. and these are younger people. these are folks who are not vaccinated, and the challenge is they're getting sick and they're dying of this disease. we had 17 folks in shelby county die of this disease last week. this does not have to happen. it simply does not have to happen. and it's just so very sad to me
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as a physician when there are lifesaving preventive measures out there and we don't use them. it would be like being thirsty and not drinking. that's where we are right now, and our job as doctors is to explain as well as we possibly can why folks need to get the vaccine, that it's safe, that these common myths that we see on tv that they cause infertility, that those are flatly just not true. they have to debunk those myths so that folks feel comfortable getting the vaccine to protect themselves, their families and everyone else. >> dr. scott strome, thank you so much. he is executive dean of the college of medicine at the university of tennessee health science center in memphis. we appreciate your words this morning. we turn now from the results of vaccine disinformation to its
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origins. new reporting for the "new york times" is shedding a light on people actually getting paid to spread misinformation online. reading from the report, quote, in may, several french and german social media influencers received a strange proposal. a london-based public relations agency, fazze, wanted to pay them to promote falsehoods tarring pfizer's vaccine. there is no evidence that such misinformation exists. some recipients posted screenshots of the offer. exposed, fazze scrubbed its social media accounts. that same week, brazilian and indian influencers posted videos echoing fazze's script to
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hundreds of thousands of viewers. the scheme appears to be part of a secretive industry that security analysts say is exploding in scale, disinformation for hire. firms are selling services once connected principally by intelligence agencies. they sow discord, meddle in elections, seize false narratives and push viral conspiracies mostly on social media. and they offer clients something precious: deniability. joining us now, columnist for the "new york times," max fisher. also with us, former fbi special agent and msnbc contributor clint watts. >> max, thank you so much for being with us. there was something when i was reading an article that stuck out to me that seemed to be
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different. you've heard the story of somebody on facebook that will post something about their favorite band and will get 12 likes. then they learn if they post disinformation, say crazy things, they'll get about 2,000 likes. we all understand that incentive. we understand the incentive of politicians even if we disagree with it, sowing disinformation during political campaigns about the party. what i don't understand is who is paying for disinformation about vaccines when we're, my god, in between presidential elections? what's the purpose of this? who is benefiting from this sort of disinformation for hire? >> so in this particular case, it looks like the benefits is the maker of russia's coronavirus vaccine, but it's also possible there were some other crime inherent in this
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work. that's what's scary, is we can guess who seems to benefit from it. really, anyone with 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 bucks and a dark web account can have their own kind of russia meddling in the disinformation campaign to advance whatever agenda they want. >> so you could have dark money, dark web account and do this, and local mayors' races do it, state legislature, they do it everywhere. reading this article, obviously i think a lot of people were concerned that what we've seen in 2016 and beyond is only going to get worse. what are your thoughts? is there any way to police this? >> it's really hard to police it because it's so hard to track who is responsible. and some of these firms are -- one of the firms responsible was a big, glossy, d.c. lobbying
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firm. so in that case, when the work got exposed, they got embarrassed, they backed away from this campaign where they were spreading disinformation on behalf of right wing politicians in latin america. but because a lot of it is basically e-mail spammers that are based in croatia or russia or based in brazil, it is actually really, really hard to put a stop to it. and the platforms, they're playing a really impressive leading role in rooting out these campaigns and identifying it and exposing it, and i think facebook and twitter especially deserve a lot of credit for it. but at the same time they've also created platforms that are designed in such a way, like you said, by maximizing engagement, by really encouraging conflict divisiveness and conspiracies that makes it so easy for anyone with a little bit of money and a dark web account to set one of these up. >> clint, elise jordan here. i'm confused a bit.
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is this somewhat like state actors or rogue actors taking influence operations and mutating them and doing it with absolutely no holds barred? >> that's right, elise. it is the wild west. in 2019 when i talked about russia disinformation, i talked to staff afterwards. the conclusion was if congress doesn't create some rules, it will only be a matter of months where everyone is acquiring and buying these services for their political campaigns, for their social campaigns, for any social oligarch. if you look around the world, there is only two that can do this. russia and china invest in disinformation on scale, but it's a booming market. you see everybody jumping into this. it takes a little bit of a
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bitcoin and conversations and you can be up and rolling. i talked to one of the vaccine makers and they told us, we're told there are three firms doing this work. one in new york, two in london and we don't know where the other one is. i would say my research teams after many years of tracking nation states, one of the ones we tracked work for different members, different political campaigns, and you bump into them sometimes and they will work on both sides of an issue. they may be trolling for one politician one day. they may be working for a company with the exact opposite the next day. >> max, tell me about the 2018 cambridge analytica scandal and how that was really the genesis of a lot of this work. >> yeah, exactly. so cambridge analytica was this private pr firm that was in
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conversation with some of donald trump's campaign and they used the media to target certain members for big sentiment. this was a big scandal for to t social media marketing for political causes that is made to look like organic activity on social networks is relatively cheap to do, and can be very lucrative and very effective, because of the way that these platforms are set up. so you saw this explosion of firms suddenly getting into this work, some of which are sophisticated and some of which are basically email spammers that saw that this is a way to make a little bit more buck and at the same time, at the other end, you have all of these governments around the world that saw what russia did in the 2016 election and thought that was pretty good, but like said
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we don't have the know-how or don't want to take the heat after moscow got pegged for this. we'll go to a private firms that will offer us a degree of deniability and bring us the technical know-how and politicians getting into it, a guy running for a mayor's race in a small town can go to the firms and run disinformation against his opponent because it's cheap and easy to do. >> max fisher, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate it, and we have an update now on the breaking news that we reported last hour, u.s. olympic gymnastics champion simone biles is out of the team finals at the tokyo games. she withdrew from the competition just a short time ago. nbc reports biles is dealing with a mental issue, not a physical one. usa gymnastics would just describe it as a medical issue, adding she will be assessed
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welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at capitol hill in washington, d.c., and that is where the story is right now. we're about a half an hour away from the start of the first hearing of the select committee investigating the january 6th capitol insurrection. let's bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. garrett? >> reporter: good morning, mika. >> set it up for us. >> i think what we'll see today is powerful emotional testimony from four police officers who were on the front lines on that day, setting a factual predicate and emotional predicate of what really happened, the fact that this even really happened and the way it's been laid out and how close these officers came to being overrun and the risk that it put for democracy. we've been hearing from members here today who say they know they have to push back against the whitewashing that has gone on about what happened january
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6th over the last several months and the officers are perhaps the most credible witnesses they can bring forward, totally apolitical to set the stage for the rest of what this investigation is ultimately going to do, and this is not a day which new investigatory details are expected to be revealed, new documents, anything like that. this is to say this really happened. these are very credible people who were there, who put their lives on the line and have the injuries to show for it and to set the groundwork for what they'll be doing going forward. so much of this is based on the idea that we've seen over the last six months, republicans in some degrees trying to rewrite the history of january 6th. this hearing this morning is meant to put a stop to that and set the stage for everything else moving forward. >> nbc's garrett haake, thank you very much. >> clint, what do you want to find out in these hearings? >> i think there's two parts, joe. the first one that was really left lacking in the senate report is, can the fbi monitor
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social media preemptively to defend events like this? when can they get up and moving? is there a domestic terrorism statute? what gives them the ability to preempt another january 6th. separately, i'm really stunned by carol leonig and philip rucker's accounts of what was going on inside that building with the vice president. how close was he to being attacked or killed? why didn't he evacuate the facility? because he thought they'd try to up-end our democracy and was he really the one talking to the pentagon, which is part of the chain of command? was he essentially substituting for president trump that was just absent and possibly just watching television, watching this riot unfold, did the vice president have to step in to make sure we have forces deployed to bring security back to the capitol. >> we're about a minute away from the beginning of the hearings. any final thoughts? what are you looking for today? >> to build on what clint said, i want to know what kevin mccarthy talked about on the phone with president, then president donald trump that day.
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>> i know. >> i want to know who donald trump spoke to, what he said, and who at the white house had any hand in this initial gathering, this rally that incited the violence. >> all right. very good. mika? >> joe, it's going to be gripping to hear firsthand accounts of what it was like to be in there and i just, i have a hard time understanding how kevin mccarthy and these republicans who want to deny it happened are going to be able to do that. >> right. >> and if they do, what does that say about washington? >> well, i think maybe we're focusing too much on kevin mccarthy. i include myself there and focusing too much on the republicans who want to cover this up, who don't want americans to know the truth, who don't want to hear from these law enforcement officers, these cops that were brutalized by donald trump supporters trying to overturn an election result.
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they're going to get their say. their words are going to go out there and america's going to learn the truth. the truth that so many republicans in washington, d.c., don't want you to hear, that's a shame, because i know there are a lot of good republicans that do want the truth out there, and two of them fortunately are on this committee. that does it for us this morning. team coverage with andrea mitchell and hallie jackson starts right now. >> good morning. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, along with my colleague, hallie jackson, and we are bringing you our special coverage on msnbc. in just half an hour, the house select committee on the january 6th attack on the capitol will hold its first hearing. we'll bring it to you live. and it's expected to be an emotionally

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