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this is "andrew mitchell reports" in washington. as the pandemic of the unvaccinated keeps ripping through the country with the delta variant fueling both the dangerous spike in cases, and a new debate over more indoor mask mandates, we're seeing covid surging in all 50 states now, with more than half having either a triple digit percentage spike or an increase in the death toll. >> mr. president, are you going to get the unvaccinated americans vaccinated? >> we have to. >> today the medical association and nurse association are calling for mandatory vaccinations of all u.s. health
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personnel and the white house is extending the existing travel ban saying international travel should be open in a, quote, safe and sustainable manner. on capitol hill, today congressman adam kinzinger is officially the second republican to accept house speaker nancy pelosi's invitation to join the select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. that's just ahead of the panel's first hearing tomorrow, when it will hear from police officers who defended the capitol that day. i'll be talking to house majority leader stanley hoyer on all of this straight ahead. in this hour, tom barrack, long-time friend and chair of the former president's inaugural committee will be back inside a federal courtroom in book lin for an arraignment following his arraignment in los angeles, where he posted a $250 million bond. i'll be speaking with kerstin
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gillibrand about the infrastructure talks and about a lengthy and years' battle to revolutionize how the military prosecutes sexual assault cases. let's begin with the debates over the coronavirus with nbc's gabe gutierrez and director of infectious disease research at the university of minnesota. we're seeing a huge increase in hospitalizations across the country and you've been there covering it. plus spikes in states like alabama, about a third of the population, only one-third is vaccinated there. these trend lines could get even worse. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea. the hospitalization rate here in alabama has increased more than 300% since july 1st, and at this hospital where we're at right now, the university of alabama at birmingham, they've seen a sharp rise in covid patients over the weekend. they had 35 on friday, 48 on
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sunday, and just now i'm hearing that it's now up to 54 covid patients at this hospital. andrea, that is much less than what this hospital and others were seeing back in january, but it is, as you mentioned, a very concerning trend line, especially as we go into the fall and back to school season here in alabama, which as you mentioned, only about one-third of people are vaccinated. the vaccination rate here 34%, the lowest in the country, andrea. we just spoke with one of the doctors here about that. take a listen. >> there's no question that transmission here of the delta variant is really out of control. all of the viral isolates we've looked at are the delta variant in these patients. so it's really taking advantage of us in our unvaccinated state. >> reporter: i just spoke with an icu nurse a short time ago and she just learned that one of her patients that she was caring for over the weekend had just passed away, a patient in her
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20s, a young mother. so some of the health care workers here say that they are seeing these younger and sicker patients. now, andrea, there's a lot of moving parts to this covid story across the country. we also heard in new york today, mayor bill de blasio expanding the vaccine mandate in new york city to include all city employees. this comes after he had mandated vaccines or weekly covid tests for employees at city-run hospitals last week. but this all comes amid these growing fears of the delta variant, which is exploding across the country, andrea. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. and, doctor, let's start with the doctors and nurses dealing with this latest spike and the news from these major medical groups calling for mandatory vaccinations for all health care personnel. how important is this? >> well, we assume that when our health care workers that are going to take care of us, that they're also not going to harm us with an infectious disease they may carry. so i think this is the one group that it's imperative that they are vaccinated and that we do
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whatever we can to get them vaccinated, and obviously it's best when you use the carrot, but if a stick is necessary to protect the lives of patients, then i think that must be done. >> and what do you think about the potential new federal indoor mask mandate that is under consideration? >> well, you know, i think the message we want to get out about masking is the idea of respiratory protection, meaning that you are protecting yourselves from the virus. remember this virus is transmitted in an aerosol. if you want to understand what an aerosol is, imagine you're in a room and someone is smoking. can you smell that smoke? that's what an aerosol is. one of the things we have found is that the typical face cloth covering over your face often doesn't do much to actually reduce the amount of virus you inhale in. so what we really want to emphasize is what protects you are the n-95 respirators, the kn-95 respirators. they call them masks, but in fact they are respirators.
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there you get high levels of protection. so it's not just put on something, but make sure you put on something that makes a difference. and finally in studies we've been doing using national media as a way to look at in crowds on tv screens how many people are actually wearing face cloth coverings or masks, but how are they wearing them. and we continue to see about a quarter of the united states here that they are putting it under their nose, for nothing else more than a chin diaper. that's not going to protect you. so if you do wear it, make sure you wear it so it protects you. >> and i want to ask you about boosters. there's a lot of concern among people, especially older people, or people who are challenged in terms of their immunities, in terms of when you're going to need a booster, how soon, does it mean that if you've had two shots it isn't effective any longer. can you give us some clarity on that? >> well, first of all, the two shots that you got basically are life-savers, for so, so many.
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so please do not for a moment hesitate to think that you did something that now doesn't mean you have protection. you do have protection. it may not be the full protection. it may mean you have less serious illness, less chance of getting hospitalized, and surely a lot less chance of dying. what is being studied right now is when, if we do need to give a booster shot, when is it. and you're going to be seeing much more information coming out in the near term, meaning within days, about any new recommendations about boosters. in the meantime, celebrate it. if you've gotten your two doses of vaccine, you've done everything you possibly can at this point to protect yourself. >> but you do lose your -- even with pfizer or moderna, you're beginning to lose your protection as the months proceed. so what is one of the things, are we going to have to be tested for antibodies to see who qualifies for a booster? how is this going to work?
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>> what's happening right now, we're looking at studies that include ones in israel, which was where the first data was reported for the pfizer vaccine, indicating there may be a need for a booster. this work is ongoing right now to understand when a booster might be necessary. also, the delta variant poses some really very unique challenges. you've been hearing a lot of the discussion about the breakthrough infections and what does that mean. and i think you're going to hear more information forthcoming from the cdc in the next day or two on this very issue of how to protect yourself against the variant and what does it mean for waning immunity, do we need to get boosters. i think right now the most important thing is stay tuned and know that this information will be forthcoming and everything will be done that can protect the population will be done. >> and two quick things. not quick, but one is the breakthrough cases. how concerned are you because of delta? and the other is something that is reported that dr. fauci is
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considering, asking for billions in a warp speed like program to develop new vaccines now for future variants that could be easily reprogrammed for what we expect down the road in years to come? >> well, the breakthrough cases with the delta variant are a concern. we do know that we're seeing a number of them. we do know that particularly in the older population people may be immune compromised, they may be more serious illnesses. but we're also concerned about, will people who have breakthrough cases be able to transmit the virus to others? what does that mean? and, again, this is a very rapidly developing area of science, and i think within days you're going to be hearing much more about what we've learned. remember, science is all about correction. we correct ourselves all the time as we learn new things, as we are able to bring new information to the table. so that's really very, very important. as far as the program that you've mentioned that dr. fauci talked about, we are all obviously supportive of the fact
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that this is not our last rodeo. this particular pandemic is going to happen and continue to happen, but in fact that there will be others in the future. so we need to be better prepared. imagine if we had these vaccines ready to go a year ago last january. and so this is, i think, an outstanding effort on the part of the nih to get us better prepared for the future. >> dr. michael osterholm, you are invaluable. thank you. and turning overseas to italy, where because of the delta variant spread, the government is announcing a new green pass for entering most public venues. the pass will confirm the person has either received at least one dose of vaccine or has had a negative covid test in recent days. nbc news is in rome. how are the italian people responding to this new requirement that will go into effect next month? we know a similar requirement in france was met with a lot of protest. >> reporter: well, andrea, we'll say the vast majority of italians are in favor of not only getting the vaccine but the
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green pass. almost half of the country is now fully vaccinated, so they're not going to have any problem in getting in indoor places, like restaurants, which starting from august the 6th will only be accessible indoors for people who have a dose of vaccine or a negative test within 48 hours or they've recovered from covid. but of course there are a lot of people who are against it, for instance, a lot of people, tens of thousands of italians demonstrated against the green pass in 81 cities all across italy. so this morning we asked a few people what they thought about the green pass and this is what they had to say. take a listen. >> a lot of people still that don't believe in science, basically, and it's been like more than almost two years that we are in this covid era, and we need to go out of it as soon as possible. >> in my case, next week i will
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get married here in rome, so through the green pass all the people could be at the event. through the green pass, we can come back to life. >> reporter: we also spoke to a young man who told us that he was against vaccination and the green pass because he said that this country, by stopping people like him from entering indoor public places, is returning to fascism and dictatorship, andrea. >> we have a lot of that opinion here in the u.s. as well, as you well know. thank you so much. and duty-bound, a second republican a pointed by house speaker nancy pelosi joining the january 6th committee. how will the party respond? plus, the key witnesses being called tomorrow. what we might hear from the officers who battled to defend the capitol. house majority leader steny hoyer joining us live. you're watching msnbc.
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congressman has joined the house select committee investigating the attack on the capitol, defying threats from republican leader kevin mccarthy to punish them. iraq war veteran and trump critic, adam kinzinger was picked by the house speaker over the weekend, joining liz cheney, of course. cheney will be giving one of the opening statements at the hearing tomorrow, treating her as a ranking member.
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four police officers who fought off the mob january 6th are scheduled to testify about what they experienced that day, rebutting the lies about that experience prop ul pop gated. >> i just feel betrayed by law enforcement, calling for law and order, and then when they had the chance to hold people accountable, they head their head in the sand and pretended like nothing happened. >> i was severely beaten and also electrocuted numerous times with a taser at the base of my skull. it was a horrible experience. >> as everybody, republicans and democrats, take it serious. >> and joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann coldwell. just now they had their first
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get-together of the group prior to tomorrow's big hearing, and liz cheney was asked going in, what about kevin mccarthy's threats to punish them, she and kinzinger and the fact that he's calling them pelosi republicans. here's what she answered. >> pelosi republican? >> this is very serious business. we have important work to do and i think that's pretty childish. >> and her response, if you could hear it, was that they have important work to do. so she's standing firm in her posture and now she's joined by kinzinger. what do you expect to see tomorrow. >> reporter: that's right, one thing that representative cheney and adam kinzinger have both said privately and publicly is they are not concerned about any sort of repercussions from leader mccarthy or any other republicans within their conference and they're not concerned with repercussions
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that they might face in their districts, either. they think that this is extremely important and republicans -- excuse me, the democrats on this committee are saying that representative cheney has shown a tremendous work ethic and a commitment to get to the facts and to get this job done. now, democrats on the committee also wanted representative kinzinger to serve as well. they've both been like-minded with the democrats and speaker pelosi on january 6th and the lies that the former president has been spewing since the election. and, you know, as far as what we're going to see tomorrow, we are going to hear for the first time four police officers who were on the front lines on january 6th. we've heard them talk in the media, but this is the first time that they will be giving their account in a professional, official capacity to members of congress. and they have become the
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spokespersons of this trauma that they've experienced, and i will say a lot of capitol police officers that i've been speaking to over the past few months, they have wanted this. they want the people to hear from rank-and-file members, because mostly we've heard from leadership. so this is going to be a very, very emotional account tomorrow, andrea. >> and most recently we heard the tape for the first time of the march interview at mar-a-lago with our leagues, phil rucker and carol leonnig with former president trump saying that the capitol police welcomed them in and that this was not a riot, basically, and that they weren't suffering the kind of ptsd that in my interview i saw visibly and heard, from his own account. >> reporter: that's right. what you see from former president trump is him continuing to downplay this violent insurrection, this violent attack on the headquarters of congress and the capitol building, as well as his
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supporters chasing vice president mike pence and lawmakers, trying to -- essentially trying to kill them, threatening their lives. and what you hear from republicans are really this retelling of january 6th. former president trump saying it was a loving crowd and the other congressman calling it a tourist visit. we know it was not any of those things, it was violent and scary. and these lawmakers are really trying to get to the bottom of what happened. you're going to hear the officers tell this emotional testimony. i should tell you at the white house, kevin mccarthy, house minority leader, as well as house majority leader steny hoyer, they were here at the white house for the president delivering remarks. kevin mccarthy, i said what do you make of these two republicans being on the committee, and he replied in two words, words that you uttered, pelosi republicans. steny hoyer, he told me that while he doesn't want to name names on who he wants to see testify, he says that people who were around president trump, as
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well as white house officials, people who knew what was going on, was possibly going to go on on january 6th, either before, during or after the day, all of those people should have to come to testify. this is going to be something that's going to be closely watched. the white house has said they want to leave this to congress largely. but you can imagine the president and white house are going to be watching very closely because they have said that january 6th was an abomination, it was wrong and needs to be rectified. >> thanks to both of you. joining us, house majority leader, steny hoyer of maryland. thank you very much for being with us. >> good to be with you, andrea. >> it's good to be with you. we just saw pictures of kevin mccarthy in the rose garden. first of all, this is notable. i don't recall democrats ever being asked to sign in at ceremonies during the trump years, but leader mccarthy was there and was at the ceremony
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honoring angela merkel. this is clearly an effort by this president to talk about being bipartisan, and this bipartisan moment in the rose garden is what mccarthy had to say when asked whether he was going to punish kenzinger and cheney for participating in the now democrat-led january 6th committee. >> some republicans have been saying that the gop should play ball on this committee. >> really? who was that? adam and liz? >> well -- >> aren't they kind of like pelosi republicans? >> and then he was asked whether he would punish them and he said, we'll see. he called them pelosi republicans. first of all, your reaction to that? >> that's absurd. if anybody looks at the voting records of mr. kenzinger and mrs. cheney, they will know that they haven't voted with speaker pelosi except on the most bipartisan of bills.
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they are real republicans. liz cheney, of course, daughter of the vice president of the united states who was the whip when i first came to the congressman of the united states, the republican whip. these are people who come from conservative republican districts who have represented republican values. the difference is, and this is the key, they both believe in the truth. that ought not to be a partisan issue. truth ought to be an intellectually honest pursuit and that's what liz cheney and adam kenzinger are going to do. and very frankly, if they think chairman thompson doesn't do the right thing or other members don't do the right thing, they're going to call them out. i'm absolutely convinced of that. they have the courage and commitment to do so. on the other hand, they believe that that happened on january 6th was the worst event that we've seen since the civil war in terms of insurrection and trying to, by force, stop democracy from working. the american people need to know the who, what, where, when and
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why. why did it happen, who facilitated, and of course we want to know how to stop it. but what we want to find out, what was the genesis of this? we know a lot. we saw on television the president riling up these folks and deploying them to the capitol and inviting them to washington to stop the steal. and his implication was, any way you can. and so the speaker has been absolutely right to pursue this, pursue it vigorously. the members of this committee, i think, republican and democrat, are very sound people, very honest people, and they want america to know that they're going to get at the truth. not a republican truth, not a democratic truth, but the truth. >> to get at that truth, do you need to subpoena kevin mccarthy, for instance, who you know was on the phone with president trump in real time, and have been plenty of reports about an angry conversation they had when
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kevin mccarthy was reportedly pleading with the president to help and send in the national guard? and if you do subpoena jim jordan or kevin mccarthy or other eyewitnesses, do you have the experience of the weakness of the subpoena power, because of the courts? it took two years to get don mcgahn -- to get the courts to approve don mcgahn to agree only after a court order to testify. you don't have two years. >> andrea, i understand that. but i expect the committee to do what it thinks is necessary to do to get to the truth. and i think, yes, kevin mccarthy clearly was an eyewitness and a participant in at least talking to the president. i don't know what his role was, but in talking to the president. i think the american people ought to hear from him what he said and what the president said in return. there are a lot of us who believe, we don't have hard evidence, that the president was
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part of the delay in deploying troops to the capitol to protect the capitol and the process of our democracy. as a matter of fact, i talked to governor hogan and he said i am prepared -- that afternoon, he said i'm prepared to send the national guard, but i can't get approval from the department of defense. we need to know why. >> let me ask you about the reason you're at the white house today, because it's the 31st anniversary of the passage, bipartisan passage, of the americans for disability act. >> overwhelmingly. >> i have to say, i covered it at the white house as a correspondent, and i believe that this was one of the most important things that i've ever covered at the white house, and also from capitol hill as a congressional correspondent. it's one of the great civil rights achievements of the modern era. and i've experienced it personally in my family and the
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recounting by the president today of tom harkin signing from the senate floor for the first time. he was one of the chief sponsors, and bob dole and the others. >> that's a great memory. >> the president said people dealing with long-term effects of covid could qualify for disability. is this community going to fight that? where are we on the future of this? >> well, i think that he's accurate, that apparently -- we don't know, but apparently covid-19, even if you get well, can have some lingering debilitating effects, and if that's the case then, yes, it's a disability that undermines your ability to perform life functions. if that's the case, or if it's perceived that that's the case and, therefore, you are discriminated against, it ought to come under the americans with disabilities act. i agree with the president on that. >> and, finally, infrastructure,
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the bipartisan plan, is today do or die, if it doesn't come today? >> well, i've talked to a number of senators. i don't know whether it's going to come today or some people talked about wednesday. of course they had a vote last wednesday that didn't get republican votes. but getting an infrastructure bill through is essential, i think, for america, for the american people, and for our economy. and i am very hopeful that we are going to pass an infrastructure bill and then it will bear the imprint of not only the senate and the bipartisan bill that they've got, but also the imprint of the house bill that we passed a couple of weeks ago. a very, very good bill, broader, less money, but broader than the senate bill. the senate bill has more money, but it is more narrow. surely we ought to be able to reach agreement, because i think the overwhelming number of republicans and overwhelming number of democrats -- when i say overwhelming, 65 votes in
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the senate believe that infrastructure is critical if we're going to grow our economy, grow jobs and be competitive in the 21st century. i'm hopeful we can come to an agreement. and as you mentioned so well, the ada was a very tough bill to pass, as you know from covering it, how hard we had to work to answer all the questions. on the other hand, when it came to a vote, significant bipartisan vote. i would hope that would happen with infrastructure. >> before i let you go, sorry, just one more quick thing. you've talked about how important this january 6th committee is. if it's that important, what about the criticism from tom cane, who was of course the ranking member on the 9/11 commission panel? they worked for years, they worked every day full-time and the criticism is that congress is going home now. during that work period, why aren't you guys staying and working on this full-time? >> well, we have a select
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committee to do just that, to work full-time. chairman thompson and the members of the committee are committed to working full-time. they're going to be working every day in august. but there won't be anything for members to do that are not on the select committee to be in washington. what there will be is a product, and there may be actions recommended by the select committee. in addition to that, we will have committee meetings from time to time in august, which may deal with aspects of that. but the select committee are the ones who are going to be doing the work, andrea. they're the ones who will be interviewing witnesses, calling witnesses, making decisions on what we need to know and how we can find it out. it won't be the other members of congress. so it's like any committee, it can do its work without the congress being in session. that's what i expect to happen. >> steny hoyer, house majority leader, thank you so much. thanks for your patience with us
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today on all sorts of subjects. great to see you. >> thank you. and more on the hearing that's coming up in a few moments, but first, foreign agent? any moment now the man who planned former president trump's inauguration expected to plead not guilty before a federal judge in new york. what the charges against him suggest about how the trump white house operated. stay with us. this is "andrew mitchell reports" on msnbc. and now get netflix on us. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. i've never slept like this before. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep to people who were tired of being tired. what is even in this? clinically-studied plant based ingredients passion flower, valerian root, and hops. new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep. - [narrator] every three minutes, a child is born with a cleft condition. in the us, children are healed at birth.
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at this hour former trump inaugural committee chair tom barrack is before a federal judge in brooklyn, new york. the 74-year-old expected to enter a plea of not guilty on charges that he worked as a foreign agent for the united arab emirates to influence american foreign policy. joining me, national security and justice correspondent tom winter. tom, a couple of points from my reporting. first of all, i want you to clarify for our audience, because when we first heard this indictment it wasn't entirely clear. this is not failure to register as a lobbyist. this is a different and more serious charge by a lot of people's measure. second of all, the indictment doesn't mention any money he received for it, but i have plenty of sourcing from my information, this was part of his overall involvement with the uae and that involved huge amounts of money for his involvement. >> right, andrea. a couple of different things. to address your first question, yes, this is much more serious
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than, say, tom winter does work, public relations for some foreign government and i didn't fill out the paperwork. this is somebody who is acting on behalf of and directly on behalf of a foreign government. it's much closer to spy than it is to, oh, i happened to pick up work working for such and such country and i got paid x amount of dollars. so, yes, this is much more serious than that, and the penalty for it, he could face up to ten years in prison. doubtful we get there on this particular case, but the penalties are much more stiff rather than the five years for failure to register. so that's the first point. the second part of this is, part of that statute, working on behalf of a foreign government, you don't have to prove that there was compensation, or how much the compensation is. there's no trip wire, oh, he got paid more than a million dollars, so, yes, he violated the law. none of that is included in this statute. that's why it's not included in the indictment. it would be interesting to know, and we have not seen any court
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filings yet, that detail that specific dollar amount that he received from them as part of his overall work, andrea. >> tom winter, all over this. thank you so much. and demanding answers this time tomorrow, the first hearing into the deadly capitol riots as we've been reporting. this time tomorrow it should be wrapping up. next, the key questions our legal experts say should be answered. this is "andrew mitchell reports" on msnbc. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. welcome to allstate. (phone notification) where we've just lowered our auto rates. ♪ ♪
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those online threats credible, according to the senate's investigation, at least. so what questions would you want to ask the fbi director if he were to be called before the committee? >> this is a great place to start, andrea. it's critical to reconcile the discrepancies we have between the head of the washington field office of the fbi. he said the bureau had no intelligence of anything beyond first amendment protected activity, with the clear reporting from the field office, which talked about folks who were intent on going to war, and even parler sent tips to the fbi. understanding how that information was handled and why it didn't reach the top levels of the fbi will be important to diagnosing to problems here and preventing a reoccurrence. >> and another big shocker was how outnumbered capitol hill police officers were. they weren't equipped. they've had a big change in management, as recently as last friday, with the former
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montgomery county retired police chief coming out of retirement to take over. is it that leadership or the whole hierarchy of how the capitol police have to notify each house, ranking members, not ranking members, and all the paperwork, if you will, they have to go through before they can do something? >> barbara, i'm sorry. >> sure. i would put the onus of that question right at the feet of chris wray. one of the things he has consistently testified is the fbi can't go around monitoring social media, but they can do that if they open what's known as a threat assessment. they do that for political conventions, major sporting e events. it is unclear in light of this threat environment why they didn't do that here. so i would focus on those questions, because if they had done that, they would have had all this intelligence that they most certainly would have shared with the capitol police and others. so i want to understand that.
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was there something about the nature of this or who was communicating it that prevented the fbi from doing what it does in most situations involving a big event when there's a threat situation. >> and, joyce, let me get back to the chain of command question, both internally with the capitol police and also between the defense department, the white house and what other authorities to get the national guard there? >> there are a lot of questions in this regard, and, for instance, there's testimony from the former head of the national guard who says that had he been permitted to intervene earlier he believes that events on january 6th could have turned out differently. it will be important to understand what he means when he says that, what would the changes have been, and also to understand this timeline of the request for permission to respond and when it was granted. that timeline is unclear in many
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ways. there are elements missing from the army's narrative in this regard. it's important to get witnesses under oath when you have these sort of discrepancies. sometimes it's just a failure to be clear, but other times you can find important decision points where information was perhaps withheld, where people are hesitant to respond, and that's what's really important here, is to determine who was responsible for this chain of events that led to the failure. >> we're going to have to leave it there. so much more coming told. we'll be on this live. and we need to take a moment to recognize the passing of a major civil rights leader, bob moses. in the '60s, he left his job as a schoolteacher to help register voters in rural mississippi. he faced extreme violence. according to "the new york times," a cousin bashed his head with a knife handle, but moses still went on to register a farmer to vote that day. later he earned a masters in
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new york senator kirstin gillibrand's lengthy battle has cleared a mayor hurdle. it comes after jack reid has agreed finally to take prosecutions out of the chain of command and turn them over to independent prosecutors. thank you for joining us senator gillibrand. this is a huge victory for you. let's talk about the next steps towards it becoming law. >> the next steps are the house of representatives will take up the measure. they may mark it up uniquely and differently. either way they will consider whether or not they have a serious crime. crimes with a penalty of more than a year. and all of the commission's recommendations to make a special victim's crime
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community. which is what i fully support. the bill is the most historic and row bus reform for military justice in my lifetime. under the strong leadership we were able to bring it all under one bill. >> i want to point out to our viewer there is is so many important repercussions of this just most recently the whole gullien case. and also the case of the woman in texas that was reporting abuse by a fellow soldier and she was murdered, and what happened to vanessa is just one terrible example of the occurrences. >> the reason we want to bright line for all of these serious crimes is they are so many cases where people who had a history of domestic violence are
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murdered. we have seen it in domestic violence, among service members. and in the vanessa guillen case, her case would not have been given to a special prosecutor and we know a lot of crimes are used as ways to cover up domestic violence and sexual assault. issues of stealing money, fraud, those are often the result of domestic violence where perpetrators try to isolate and dominate the person they are attacking and harassing. so we want this bright line because when we looked at this issue eight years ago our allies made a decision to professionalize their military.
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and they gave it to military prosecutors. they are seeing no command and control over the many years of control. that has worked in other places. it is for everyone so that you are not just privileging one set of plaintiffs or defendants over another. >> what have you found about the disparity in the current military prosecution system? >> over the last few years the dod did research about this. they published multiple reports and they started to report on data. we had data on sexual assault for ten years now. we had data on the percentage of cases considered, the percentage
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of those considered. and they're all going in the wrong direction. we also see it going in the wrong direction. unfortunately people of color are punished at a higher rate in the marines. up to 2.61 times more hikely to be punished. so that is additional data. if you're going tohe system for the benefit of that class of plaintiffs and defendants it makes sense to make sure you have a bright line on all felonies. so that anyone that accrues will accrue to anyone in the criminal justice system. that matters. so you have to make the system better for all plaintiffs and defendants. and the fact that they sacrifice so much every day, why wouldn't
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you do it for everyone. >> congratulations, you have gotten this far. we'll follow this very closely as you get over the next hurdle. i will not diminish any chances when you're behind a big like that. that does it for andrea mitchell reports. we'll have more coming up with "meet the press daily." ng up wih "meet the press daily. that i should get used to people staring. so i did. it's okay, you can stare. when you're a two-time gold medalist, it comes with the territory.
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if it is monday, new warners from health officials amid a concerning scene that is all too familiar. with the point of the pandemic leaving too many people that are not vaccinated and too many questions about it could mean for those of us that are. plus we kick off another critical week on capitol hill. tomorrow is the first hearing from the house's january 6th committee. later, where climate meets covid. how the smoke and ash could impact a resurging pandemic.


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