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anyway, appreciate you making extra time. good evening. it's good to be with you tonight. tonight house speaker nancy pelosi announced another republican member of the committee investigating the capitol riot, adam kinzinger, and we will see if the long-awaited infrastructure deal will get done. texas democrats is still in d.c. tonight. six of their members have tested positive for covid. speaking of which, covid cases are on the rise across the country and vaccinations flat lined. you will hear from a emergency room doctor what it's like fighting the delta variant right now. i am joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." okay, my fellow children of
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the '80s, do you remember the movie "the princess bride," and billy crystal's character, miracle max. he came to mind especially with the infrastructure. we will soon know if the bipartisan deal is alive or dead, or as miracle max would say, it's mostly dead, but slightly alive. some say they are close to finalizing a deal, maybe as soon as tomorrow. >> we're down to the last couple of items and i think you will see a bill monday afternoon. >> we're 90% of the way there, and i feel good about getting it done this week. we have one issue outstanding. >> but that outstanding issue is big. how much money to spend on transportation projects. democrats want to follow what is known as the 80/20 rule, and 20% would go to public transit and
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80% would go to highways, and republican senators represent more rural areas and want a smaller chair to public transit. and washington state congresswoman said if they want to address climate change without taking on the biggest polluters in transportation, quote, what are we doing? unquote. another issue is the timing. there are two infrastructure bills. the bipartisan infrastructure bill focuses on so-called hard infrastructure, roads, bridges, tunnels, that kind of thing. democrats hope to pass that with at least ten republican votes. and a larger bill focuses on human infrastructure, and democrats plan to pass that through reconciliation with a simple majority vote. nancy pelosi said she would not hold a vote on the hard infrastructure bill until the human infrastructure bill passes.
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meanwhile, there was some developments today with the house select committee investigating the riot at the capitol. today speaker pelosi announced that republican congressman, adam kinzinger of illinois would be a member. he wrote i swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. while this is not the position i sought to be in, but duty calls i will answer. speaker pelosi vetoes two of his picks, congressman jim jordan of ohio, and jim banks of indiana because they voted against certifying president biden's win on january 6th. the select committee's first hearing is set for tuesday. expectations are high including from maryland governor, larry hogan. >> we have to get to the bottom
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of exactly what happened there and there's no whitewashing. we need to get to all the facts and find out exactly what happened. there's no way to overlook this and say it didn't happen, the nonsense about these were just peaceful -- >> tourists -- >> -- tourists is completely absurd. >> let's kick it off with congressman rohan from california. his district in the bay area includes san jose and santa clara. good to see you again. welcome. >> joshua, always great to be on. >> let's start with the january 6th commission. what are your drop dead must dos for what this commission must accomplish or has to uncover? >> joshua, they just have to get the facts and conduct the thorough investigation. i give the speaker a tremendous amount of credit, and it's a bipartisan commission with the courage of people like liz cheney and adam, and it's not
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just a few high profile people that kevin mccarthy appointed to try and disrupt the commission, and many people want the commission to do its job and it will and i think the american people will have answers. >> who would be on your list? you have said that donald trump might need to be questioned. what about other people? some people said jim jordan should be called as well. who else would you like to see on the witness list? >> the people i would like to see is the secretary of defense at the time, and some of the generals who were in charge. why did it take so many hours to have any response to the capitol? that leaves us vulnerable, not just as members of congress. but if you are a foreign adversary looking at this and you think the united states cannot protect the most important institution of democracy, it took five or six hours, that makes us vulnerable. we have to figure out what went
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wrong and how to prevent that from happening again. >> the barriers around the capitol complex came down not too long ago, and how safe do you feel right now, senator, working on capitol hill? >> i personally feel safe. i'm glad the barriers are no longer there. i love when constituents and people can interact with congress, and i am concerned for police officers every day, and i drive in and see they are standing outside and cars are coming in and it's not an easy job. i'm concerned for law enforcement. i am concerned for some of the staff. i really hope that a lot of thought has gone into protecting them as well. >> let me get your reaction to one of the members who speaker pelosi kept off of the committee, congressman jim banks of indiana. here's part of what he said today on fox news sunday. watch. >> she claimed the reason she booted me from the committee was because of antics on the part of jim jordan and i, and in
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hindsight what i realize she means by that now, we were prepared to ask questions nobody else has asked and demand questions as to why the capitol was vulnerable to an attack on january 6th? why was there a systemic breakdown of security on january 6th? if you are going to investigate january 6th, why not ask those questions? >> how do you react to that? >> i don't know what he's talking about. we have asked those questions. i'm on the oversight committee, and almost every member of congress has asked about why was there a security breakdown and why was not not a stronger anticipation by capitol police and the secretary of defense? the reason he was not included on the committee is he downplayed the fact that it was an insurrection. >> with regards to the bipartisan nature of the committee, at least the efforts to be bipartisan as possible,
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and here's part of what the chair of the committee said regarding the inclusion of congressman kinzinger. >> he's a welcome member to the committee, and he demonstrated how he can express his opinion despite what some of his republican colleagues might not want him to express. an independent voice to this select committee is always welcome. >> congressman, how bipartisan do you think this committee is going to be in practice and is going to be perceived as by the american people? >> i think it will be very bipartisan. i think thompson is a phenomenal chair. he's from mississippi, he's from the south, and he's not quote, unquote, a progressive member of the wing like i am, and he has moral credibility, and it was a tremendous pick by the speaker
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to have him in charge. >> have to ask you about the infrastructure deal before i let you go. how optimistic are you we will have the full text of the deal tomorrow to begin moving it through the process? >> you know, i don't know the bipartisan deal, but the reconciliation, and not just for child care and community college but the infrastructure itself, it has a much more provision for protecting climate change, and there's an op-ed in "the new york times" everybody should read, and he said more important than roads are rights and we have not done enough to rise to the moment, the administration and the president has not done enough and we need to get rid of the filibuster and i hope people read his op-ed. >> in regards to the infrastructure bill about the wildfires in the west. i know there are some parts near your district, and i am thinking about los gatos, south of where you are, and it's really dry,
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and there's no reason why the bay area might not be the next tinder box to explode with just the right spark, sorry to say. how confident are you that the infrastructure package will address some of your constituents' concerns with the possibility, let's be clear, of wildfires breaking out in some of the most important parts of the bay area in terms of its economy? >> the reason these fires are so dangerous is we have hotter and drier weather. the thing we need to do in the reconciliation bill is tackle the climate, and we need federal funds to make sure we have the appropriate response to make sure that we ultimately have prescribed burns and mitigation techniques so we don't see the wildfires we have seen in oregon and california, and i am con
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-- confident it will be there. >> this is both an urban and a rural problem in northern california and i hope it gets dealt with quickly. always good to see you, sir. thank you very much. >> thank you. let's continue with the western wildfires with nbc's scott co-. he's in the city of paradise in northern california. >> reporter: joshua, how bad is the wildfire season? it's only july, and 1.5 million acres have burned. we have learned the impact may go beyond the fire zones, when you look at the air around us. i am in paradise, california, and this is the site of the horrible camp fire that killed 85 people back in 2018, and
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there's a new fire burning 15 miles to the northeast here, and you can see what it's doing to the air. they were looking at a similar situation around this time last year in reno, nevada, and researchers at the desert institute decided to look at the correlation between these particles in the air, what they call pm 2.5, and the pandemic and what they found when they looked at 36,000 patients at a regional medical center, it could lead to an 18% increase in covid cases, although researchers say they are not sure exactly why. >> one of the possible mechanisms could be the fire's particles are adhering to the 2.5 particles in the air, and when we inhale that in our lungs we are essentially transporting the virus into our lungs. that could cause more infection. you know, there's other possibilities as well. it could be that the pm 2.5 is
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damaging our lungs and makes us more at risk of the infection, and it could be people because of the wildfire's smoke outdoors, are spending more time indoors with other people. >> reporter: a couple differences between now and last year, number one, we have a vaccine, and we have the delta variant. experts are saying it's all the more reason to get vaccinated, and even if you are, try to avoid staying out in air like this. >> thank you, scott. that's scott cohen reporting from paradise, california. still to come, the anonymous data on your mobile phone may not be as anonymous as you think. a catholic priest might have learned that the hard way after using a gayman's dating app. very good sunday to you. stories we are watching this hour for you, american pro golfer tested positive for
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covid-19 and will no longer play for team usa at the olympics. he ranked sixth in the world. the result came in the final round of the olympics coronavirus testing. patrick reed takes his place on team usa. tens of thousands have been vaccinated from homes in shanghai as a typhoon made landfall. it's expected to produce between 10 and 14 inches of rain. the authorities ordered the public to stay indoors. and steven weinberg has died at 88. he was a professor at the university of texas in austin in 1988. we'll be right back with more
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the civil rights movement lost a legend this morning. robert moses has died. he was a voting rights activist
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known for registering black voters in mississippi in the 1960s. bob moses lived to be 86. that fight for equal ballot box continues today. these 18 states pass 30 laws that restrict voter access, and they include crackdowns on mailing and early voting and voter roll purges. this month democrats in the texas legislature left town for washington, d.c. and that move temporarily prevented passage of a bill in texas. this morning senator mark warner of virginia signaled there may be progress on that front. >> i believe when it comes to voting rights, when it comes to that basic right to exercise and participate in democracy, i get very worried what is happening in some of these states.
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if we have to do a small carveout on filibuster for voting rights, that's the only area i would allow that kind of reform. >> joining us now is sean morales doyle at the brennan center. welcome. >> thanks for having me. good to be here. >> what do you see in the run up in the bills that stand out to you? motivated by allegations by voter fraud described as false and often racist? >> yeah, i mean, we track these laws every year. we have been tracking them for over a decade and this, as you said, is the worst that we have seen. they really go after every aspect of voting, mail voting, early voting, voter registration, criminalized behavior by election officials and make the job of poll workers harder and do so many things to
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make it harder for folks to vote and they are driven by the big lie, about lies how our elections work, and they seem to be coming as a backlash to some of the best voter turnout we have seen last year. >> is this all because of the big lie or are there other factors behind this, too? >> part of it is the fact that we saw so many voters turning out last year. we see changing demographics on who is turning out as well. but, yes, a big part of this is that there are so many legislators around the country willing to run with this lie, willing to run with the idea that we need to fix, you know, as they would put it, election integrity or stop some problem with voter fraud when that's not the problem our democracy is facing, and instead the problem our democracy is facing is these restrictive laws making it harder for people to vote. >> are there one or two of the laws that concern you the most,
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any that stand out? >> well, yeah, our report says that there are 18 states that have enacted 30 laws, and it's actually worse than that because there are a few states that enacted bills that have many more restrictive bills in them, the bills in georgia, florida and iowa. we see texas repeatedly trying to do the same thing. of course they are not able to right now because they don't have a quorum there, but the governor has promised to continue to call them back to do it. those bills just contained provisions that go after so many pieces of the way voting works and some of them contain provisions that seem to subvert elections in other ways, and go at the election officials that run elections and make it harder for them to do their job and take power out of their hands and those are the people we rely on to make sure that our democracy works. >> talk to the people who may or may not believe the big lie in varying degrees, and who say, you know, i don't necessarily
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believe what donald trump says, but why not make voting systems more secure? why not improve elections? what is the harm in trying to pass laws that tighten up the electoral systems? what would you say to them? >> i would say there is no harm in making our elections better, but these bills don't do that. they don't make our elections safer and they don't fix the things in order to make elections more secure, and we could do things like audits or making sure there's a paper ballot to make elections more secure, and instead what they are do something making it harder for people to vote and that doesn't make the elections more secure, it makes them less inclusive. americans across the country really agree that what we want is an inclusive democracy, and we want our democracy to count every vote, and these bills are getting in the way of that. they are not making anything safer. >> what would you like to see done? the brennan center has signed a letter alongside more than 150 other voting rights groups
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asking president biden to work with congress and pass voting rights legislation by, quote, whatever means necessary. what would you like to see done at the federal level and then maybe what has to be done beyond that, maybe things that perhaps the president cannot do unilaterally? >> yeah, i think what needs to happen is that congress needs to act. it's good to hear senator warner and what he had to say right now, and congress needs to make it impossible for states to pass so many laws with regard to federal elections and congress needs to restore the voting rights act, and the court has struck down a piece of the voting rights act, and congress needs to restore it and they need to pass for the people act and the john lewis voting act, and that's how we will get to a place where democracy allows every one to vote and it doesn't depend on where you live and we
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don't have to fight the battles in the state and federal courts to stop these bills from going into effect. >> briefly before i have to let you go, i have heard a lot of pessimism/cynicism, this is our democracy on the decline. what gives you the most hope that voting rights can and will be protected in this country, before we go? >> i think what gives me the most hope is the issue of voting rights has risen to the top of list of priorities for voters across this country. there's a reason why the first bill introduced in the house and in the senate was the for the people act. congress is hearing your viewers and they are hearing their constituents care more about this than anything else, and that's also why we are seeing legislators try and restrict access to the vote. this is becoming an issue that everyone is pay august tension to, and while right now there's bad things happening that gives me hope that eventually we will
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make sure those good things happen too, and congress will act and state legislators will act and we will continue to strengthen this democracy rather than seeing it decline. >> shawn morales doyle from the brennan center. i appreciate you making time. thanks very much. up next, there's data on your phone is that supposed to be scrubbed of identifying details, but some of this anonymous data can be deanonmized, as a catholic priest learned the hard way. that's just ahead. stay close. at's just ahead. stay close you put muscle over matter. and you make horsepower... a superpower. ♪ before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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what you say in the dark will be heard in the light. what you whisper in secret will be shouted from the rooftops. that may have rung very true with the catholic church this week after a scandal that raises questions about your privacy online. on tuesday the u.s. conference of catholic bishops announced
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priest jeffrey burrill left by resignation, and the report aaccused him of visiting gay bars and an active user of the app grindr. how did they find it out? it was from a mobile device correlated to jeffrey burrill, end of quote. they found he visited gay bars and private residences while using a location-based hookup app in locations from 2018 to 2020, unquote. grindr is responding to the report, and they told "washington post," we do not believe grindr is the source of the data. jeffrey burrill released a statement, quote, in order to avoid becoming a distraction to the operations and ongoing work of the conference, monsignor
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burrill has resigned effectively immediately. what does this tell us about just how private or digital data is? let's dive into it with professor ben jow that teaches science at the university. >> thank you. >> what we are talking about is de-anonymized data. it's not to take the data to flip it over and see details, but find other data that reveals information about this de-anonymized data. do i have that right? >> yeah, that's in essence what it is, you have identifiable information stripped out, and then you use other information to correlate that information back to a particular person or identity beyond some probability, and that has the
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affect of basically reclaiming that person's identity and associating it with that data that was supposed to be anonymous. >> how hard or easy is it to do this? basically they just knew where to buy this guy's information? >> yeah, there is -- you know, an entire ecosystem, a marketplace of data. usually in aggregate form, and so usually companies, a lot of apps and applications, they take data, strip out personal data and identify information like names and patch it up in some sort of aggregate form and sell it to advertisers. it's not surprising that somebody was able to get this data on an aggregate stale. >> i know there has been more of
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an effort to give users more control of their data, and apple updated ios to allow you to tell apps on your phone not to track you, but if so much of our data is online anyway, how much control do we actually have of really being anonymous online? >> right, so that's a really good question. i think one is that, you know, it's great what apple is doing, really improving personal privacy, and i want to point at a little distinction about personal data online, on the web, and personal data on your mobile device. your mobile device is with you 24/7 potentially, and in this case as in many others, it tracks precise locations of where you are and who you are seeing and being with, and potentially what sort of businesses you frequent. all of that is important information, well beyond what you post online, and that is a whole different level.
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again, i think there's a big discrepancy between the level of privacy that people actually have and what we think we have. so this is a perfect demonstration. if you really want someone's personal data, and you want to dive into it and do this type of deanonmaization. it's not terribly difficult, unfortunately. >> i have to say this story will probably arouse feelings for different people in the catholic church, and for me as a gay man, this is horrifying, because we know where gay men have hooked up on tkpwruf and grindr and others, and then they were stalked by somebody that would not leave them alone because they knew how to use the app's
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data to track them, and this feels like it could have gotten very scary very quickly. what should we do to protect ourselves if there is this much data floating around at all times where all apps can track whether we are using the apps or not? what do we do? >> you know, that's a really good question. to be honest, right now there's not a whole lot that we as users can do. you can basically get off of applications that make the user use the personal location information, and with apple's new operating system, you have more control over which apps have that access, but, you know, once that data is in the app's hands, it's out of your control. in your terms of service, you are basically giving up access to that data, and you are allowing them based on their terms of service to do things to it. so in this case, you know, this is a high profile case, of
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course, by its nature, and you can easily imagine scenarios where individuals are bullied or tracked or stalked, you know, but have no high-profile nature like this one. so this presumably is entirely possible and could be happening on a daily basis to user location based applications. unfortunately that's the state of the world today. >> this may be a good time for people to use mobile devices a lot to check which apps are using your location services, and if you have an iphone, go to your settings and select privacy and location services, and it will give you a list of what apps are using the location settings, settings, privacy, location services and you can see which apps are tracking your location. university of chicago professor,
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if you allow the virus to freely circulate because so many people are unvaccinated, you give it yet again another opportunity to mutate even more, and you may wind up with
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creating a variant that, in fact, eludes the protection of the vaccine. >> the next greek letter after delta is epsilon, and unless we heed dr. anthony fauci's warning we could be hearing that a lot. another variant of covid-19 may be in the making. new cases are on the rise in all 50 states to varying degrees. according to the cdc the delta variant is responsible for 83% of new cases. this latest wave is overwhelming many doctors, quite a few probably hoped the worst of the pandemic was behind them. one doctor took to facebook with her experience of treating unvaccinated patients that later regretted their decisions. her words, sorry, but it's too late. joining us now is dr. calvin
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sun. welcome. >> good to be back. >> how much these days are covid cases versus other emergencies at the er sees on a daily basis? what is it like now? >> i have the perspective of being in multiple emergency rooms and urgent cares right now, and i am burned out from last year and i try to mix it up a bit. in new york city we are seeing a lot of covid positives resurging in urgent cares, and that means they are not as sick and are coming with milder symptoms, and in the emergency room it's still mostly noncovid, and patient privacy, i'm not telling anybody else about it but i vaccinate them.
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>> you said that you were somewhat burned out after last year. what was the last straw when you knew you kind of had to make a change? >> there was, like, the last straw was happening every day for 60 days straight in many different emergency rooms. there was a dozen different emergency rooms just to see if i could have a different experience and maybe it was bad in one particular system, but it wasn't, it was everywhere, and the lack of ppe and seeing colleagues die unnecessarily, and not the last straw, still working in different emergency rooms but i had to mix it up a bit because i could not deal with doing it every day, and especially if it happens again, the next pandemic. >> you have found more support or is it still as hard as it was when you started working at multiple ers? >> well, it's a lot better having some fully vaccinated. think about it when you are in a place when people are shooting at you left and right and you can't control that, and now i am having a bullet proof vests, and that's the vaccine.
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it will not be the solution to gun violence but will lower the risk of death if i get exposed, which is pretty much every day. it's a lot better but it's also confusing and complicated given the fact that there are a lot of misinformation and things going on, and i spend a lot of time explaining to patients and meet them where they are, and now we have a new pandemic of misinformation causing more harm than what we are seeing in new york city from mostly anything else. >> you mentioned something interesting, there are a number of people you are seeing who are avowed anti-vacers but they come to you seeking the vaccine, and this is something i suspect about our coverage, which is what we are hearing about people opposing the vaccine on the record, on national television, is very different than what they tell their doctor behind closed doors and when the cameras are not looking and they are not on the record, what do you expect a
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anti-vaccer to say on the record, and what are you saying to people that say they don't want the vaccine when they are in touch with you? >> it's a lot of pandemics, pandemics of a virus and pandemics of entitlement and pandemics of pride. we have people coming back from the anti-vaccine rallies and then come to the emergency room and they say i am worried about getting covid, and i think that's pretty ironic. i love the fact that we have patient privacy, because i don't have to tell anybody who is it and they know that, and they ask for the vaccine. i vaccinated two of them today -- i mean, this week. it's pretty remarkable. i never tell people to get the vaccine, and i not telling them what to do but i am more of a guide, and they see how happy we are fully vaccinated, and they ask about getting vaccinated and i don't push it on them, and i guess by example, they want to
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join the exclusive club without having to tell anybody about it. >> i wonder if doctors like you are a key to getting more people vaccinated. there was a editorial over the mask head that says please, florida, get vaccinated this weekend. it says we were so close, florida, so close to kicking covid's ass. clearly florida has back slid on this. do you think doctors are the key, doctors like you that say come and get vaccinated, and nobody has to know. >> at least in new york city you can get vaccinated in emergency rooms, and these two patients were in the emergency room, and they were coming in for noncovid related reasons and if they want we can vaccinate them. the key is you can only help the people that want to be helped. you can't force it on them. if anything bad happens, millions and millions of people getting vaccinated, and there are one or two bad outcomes
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because that's how life is, and they will blame it on you if you push it on them, and if they are curious and have questions, and by example i don't push it but guide them, you want to own the position to want to be vaccinated, and that way they own the decision and it comes from them and they won't resent you if any bad outcomes happen. break through cases is another one where people have been fully vaccinated and come to me upset they are infected, and just because somebody gets hurt when a brick falls on their head doesn't mean i will stop wearing a helmet. so by explaining it to them like that, you are guiding them to a place where they then own the decision of wanting to be vaccinated, woult having to tell other people. it's a win win situation. you get to have your cake and eat it, too.
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experiences. everywhere starts somewhere. i wish i could be around to see how far it goes. i will have to, however, leave that for the very young generation. happy trails. john writes, i must say that while watching the flights themselves and maybe entertaining and they work so effortlessly, i'm dismayed by the callousness and cavalier attitude towards those who funded these missions. as mr. bezos went to far as to say thank you for all that paid for this. all while spending huge sums of money on what is a new toy for those that can afford the level of spending. at the same time, avoiding taxes that average people must pay. the takeout is here how far out of touch the wealthy have become with the working class, single parents, those that must work two or more jobs to put food on the table. in short, it's a disgrace and a
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shame. donna writes, how i feel about the space flights, they are so cool. i feel sorry for the people that have joy at space exploration. i feel excited that we as amazon customers shared in this dream. and i do feel a part of it. i'm claiming my part in it and no one can take that excitement away from me. finally, matthew from california writes, the day that jeff bezos returned from his trip to space, i received his check in a mail for a compulsory license, i have no choice, to use my music on amazon in 2020. the check is for 2 cents. so, i want to give bezos my 2 cents. you need to do more than thank amazon users and employees for paying for your trip. you need to make reparations for all of the damage you have done to culture, small bookstores, musicians, employees and the environment. instead of going to space, concentrate on making life on earth sustainable by combatting
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climate change and reducing inequality. amazon needs to reverse course in so many ways and you need to make amens for what you have done. thank you for sharing your stories. and thank you for making time for us. we hope you can tear yourself away from watching the olympics and join at 7:00 eastern. get the peacock on the app store or do follow us for updates on guests and show highlights on twitter and tiktok, on instagram. but until we meet a again, i'm joshua johnson. make it a wonderful week and go, team usa. good night. limu emu... and doug. so then i said to him, you oughta customize your car insurance with liberty mutual, so you only pay for what you need.
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this is "american voices." we begin this hour with a reality check for the republican party. this week more than six months after the deadly insurrection at the capitol, house lawmakers will finally get to work on getting to the bottom of it. the first hearing for the select committee investigating the january 6 attack is set for this tuesday. house speaker nancy pelosi said she won't let republican distractions g


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