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thank you very much. and hello to you. it is always good to be with you, especially tonight. former president trump is speaking in phoenix. we're monitoring that. on tuesday a house select committee is set to begin its investigation into the january 6th riots. what witnesses should the committee call? plus, patience among the vaccinated is wearing thin as cases of the delta variant rise. could full fda approval convince enough people to get vaccinated? also, a nationwide ban on evictions is about to expire. what can people do. we will get into that with former hud secretary julian castro. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." p let's start this saturday night with some new developments in the prosecution of the so-called qanon shahman, one of many people facing charges over
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the january 6th riot at the u.s. capitol. attorneys for jacob chancelee tell nbc news they're working toward a plea deal. mr. chansley faces charges of civil disorder, obstruction and disorderly conduct. according to the government's aorder the government has acknowledged he neither led the charge into the capitol nor behaved violently during the riot. meanwhile as we said former president trump is holding a rally tonight in phoenix. rioters like jacob chansley say they attacked the capitol because they believed the baseless claims of a stolen election. but we gained new insight this week into donald trump's views on the riot. they are from his interview with "washington post" journalists carol leon nil and philip rucker for their new book. here's how mr. trump described the events of january 6th. >> it was a loving krould, by the way. there was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many, many people have told me that was a loving crowd. and you know, it was -- it was too bad.
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it was too bad that they did that. >> there is a broad effort to recast the riots as something more benign than they actually were. that makes the house select committee's investigation even more important. hearings begin on tuesday. we do not yet know who all of the members of that committee will be. house speaker nancy pelosi has already made her picks. among them, republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. on wednesday house minority leader kevin mccarthy made his selections. speaker pelosi objected to including congressman jim jordan of ohio and jim banks of indiana. both of them voted against certifying the election results. mr. jordan might also be called as a material witness. leader mccarthy called the move to block jordan and banks an egregious abuse of power and withdrew all the selections. it's possible that speaker pelosi will appoint other republicans to the committee. but either way, the hearings will proceed on tuesday.
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so what witnesses should the committee call? and what questions should they ask? let's begin with joyce vance. she's an msnbc legal analyst, a former u.s. attorney and a professor at the university of alabama law school. always good to see you, professor joyce. let me start with just the overarching goal of the committee. what are some of the absolute critical things that you think that this committee has got to come away with in terms of what it learns, what it exposes, what it proves? whattar are the drop-dead must-dos for this committee? >> you know, this committee has a really difficult job ahead of it. the big question that they have to answer is how are the american people supposed to understand what happened on january 6th as we move forward? so they need to answer at least two big broad categories of questions. first, how did law enforcement miss what was going to happen on january 6th? what were the intelligence flaws like? were there communications
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failures reminiscent of 9/11? why was it that the capitol police were outmatched when the insurrectionists finally reached the capitol? that's one set of questions. and then there's another serious issue involving who. who was involved, who was responsible, who failed to act. obviously, many americans will look to the question of whether or not the former president has any responsibility. but there were a lot of moving parts on january 6th. and it's important to understand who funded these events, who rallied people to go to washington, d.c., and are any of them responsible not in a legal sense. that's up to doj to decide. but in the sense that we're going to view these events. and then finally the third big bucket of responsibility that this commission has is how do we keep it from happening again. what do we need to do in this country to get our arms around the domestic terrorism problem that has gone really unsecured for far too long in this
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country? what sorts of specific changes do we need to see people in law enforcement and the military so this can't happen again? >> who do you think the key witnesses are that the committee should call? >> so i'm going to duck a little bit on that question and i'm going to tell you all of them. because i think there's no one particular standout witness. the question is how do we understand these events? for instance, i'll give you an example. internally in the fbi the failure to transmit intelligence that the fbi had obtained from the norfolk division down in virginia, that they were concerned about january 6th. reports that the fbi was getting from parler, one of the online social media platforms, about their concerns about potential violence, people carrying guns. this information is circulating. where does it get held up? why doesn't it get disseminated? why isn't it fully heard? that will require participation from people in charge of the fbi but other law enforcement
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agencies as well. and to the extent that there's the suggestion that at least inside of dhs some earlier reporting that focused on the problem of white supremacist terror was withheld out of concern that it might land badly when the former president heard it, how does all of this fit together? >> speaking of the former president, congressman rho chan cannesa of california says he should be one of the witnesses this committee calls. listen. >> he was a critical person in those events. he by his own admission gave a speech right outside. he says that speech wasn't inciting violence. he should come before congress, explain what his intent was and take questions in terms of what happened. i think that's an obvious face that we would need to hear from the former president. it doesn't have to be a spectacle. we can do it behind closed doors. he can answer the questions in a way that gives him an opportunity for people to ask substantive questions. there has to be an examination.
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>> what do you make of that? particularly in light of the existing concerns that this could be marred by political calculations, that this might not be viewed as much of an independent activity as maybe a non-partisan commission would have been. how do you deal with donald trump as a factor in all this? >> it's an enormous challenge that the folks on the select committee will face. they're going to have to tell the american people a narrative that's essentially apolitical at a time when everything in our country seems to be, you know, stretched across a political divide. and so the question is how do you balance the materiality of trump's testimony? he is a material witness to many of the events of that day. he himself is a central character. how do you weigh the value of his potential testimony? because we all know that he would fight testifying. but how do you weigh that against the political drama that it entails? the narrative making he'll
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engage in, perhaps the reperpetuation of the big lie. so it's going to be important for the select committee to get a sense of that. you know, this is not hillary clinton, who's going to show up for the benghazi committee and sit through 11 hours of serious testimony without taking a break. they'll have to decide if it's worth paying the political price, the divisiveness, as opposed to coming together with a simple set of facts that answer the how, what, when, where, why questions that are important in this situation so the american people can understand it. >> professor joyce vance, we always appreciate your expertise. thanks very much for starting us off tonight. now, as we mentioned, congresswoman liz cheney may not end up being the only republican on the committee. that's with or without minority leader kevin mccarthy's picks. there's some talk of gop congressman adam kinzinger of illinois being included. he is one of the few republicans in congress who voted to impeach president trump over the events of january 6th. here's what speaker pelosi had to say about his possible
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inclusion. . >> do you think he would be a good member of the committee? >> everybody else does. >> let's continue with former congressman carlos curbelo. he's a republican from south florida and an msnbc political analyst. and former senator barbara boxer, a democrat from california. good to have you both with us tonight. senator boxer, let me start with you in terms of the political considerations. kind of dovetailing into that last question we put to professor joyce vance. how do you see the politics of this playing out? >> let me be as direct as i can. our capitol was attacked. our democracy was attacked. attacked by violent insurrectionists who are american. and we've got to get to the bottom of it, politics be damned. i hope that speaker pelosi puts other republicans on the committee, but be that as it may, we need to know why this
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happened, who did it, who encouraged it, who paid for it, and how can we make sure this is all rooted out. if we had seen on that day al qaeda, you know, attack our capitol, you know what would be happening. and the reason speaker pelosi exercised the power she has to keep off two people is because they're not dedicated to getting the truth. they want to turn it into a political circus. so she did the right thing. >> congressman, what about you? with regards to the politics and possibly the inclusion of other members of congress who have been more vocal in their criticisms of president trump like adam kinzinger. >> well, joshua, like the senator said, the mission of this committee is critical. it's fundamental to our democracy. i mean, our democracy was at risk that day. our elections. our freedoms. our constitution. so this committee is critical. and i think it's very important
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for this committee to have strong bipartisan representation. yes, it was extraordinary for speaker pelosi to turn down two of the nominees that leader mccarthy put forward. and now what she should do is try to get as many republicans as possible on that committee. certainly congressman kinzinger would do a great job. he's shown to have great integrity like congresswoman cheney. but she should try to look for two or three others who might be willing to serve because for posterity, for future generations it's important that whatever this committee puts out be the product of republicans and democrats collaborating in some way. this is way too serious to be a one-party issue. >> i hear you both saying that this is too serious to be mired in politics. you know, heaven forfend that politics prevent us from getting to the truth in this matter. senator box yehher, how do you see someone like a liz cheney, maybe an adam kinzinger
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factoring into this in terms of getting through that? i hear obviously the necessity to get to the bottom of what happened. we know politics is going to play a factor. and we already know that that rift between for lack of a better term pro-trump and anti-trump republicans is there, it may yet grow as a result of whatever the committee does. so how do the republicans on this committee help to try to mitigate that? >> i think the congressman made the point. this was an attack on our nation by domestic terrorists. and we need to have a select committee look at this through the eyes of the american people. not through the eyes of democrats. not through the eyes of republicans. not through the eyes of trumpites or bidenites. it's way bigger than that. you know, our capitol has not been attacked like that since the war of 1812. this was unprecedented. and i think the most important
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thing after the committee starts its work and as i said again i hope she could find some more republicans, but be that as it may look at the pictures. you're showing them now. the american people need to see this over and over again because i think some of them have not really looked at this. these were people who injured police. we have capitol police, over 100 of them, still suffering today from injured, from post-traumatic stress. there was a story today about how it's changed their lives, how it's ruined their lives. >> yeah. >> they need to be heard. so i do think the more republicans that she can get who believe in the mission of the select committee, the better. but whatever it is, show what you are showing now. get people up there who were there, who could testify to the truth so this never, ever happens again and we can punish the people who did this to our great nation. >> and congressman, before i
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have to let you all go, i wonder what you think is the republican strategy here going forward. i mean, it occurs to me that the truth is going to come out sooner or later, whether it's through this select committee, whether it's through journalists continuing to do the investigative journalism that's already yielded some pieces of this story. the truth will out one way or another. how do you see the gop strategy going forward, particularly if we're not sure whether leader mccarthy is going to have any members -- or the members that he wants that are going to make it on the committee, have the presence that he might prefer there? >> well, look, that's why it's important for at least some republicans to be on the committee. and we know liz cheney will be. and that's important because she has a lot of credibility around the country. with many republicans. not the majority, unfortunately. certainly with independents and with democrats. joshua, people have to remember, this committee is not really about assigning blame.
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it's about getting down to the facts, figuring out what went wrong. sure, who's responsible. but also why was the national guard late in getting to the capitol? why was capitol police so unprepared? i mean, there are a lot of important questions here that if we get down to the bottom of everything can help our country be prepared and be stronger for the future. for republicans, joshua, it's going to be harder and harder to ignore the truth. some of them have ignored it. others have denied it. i think as more of this information comes out it will be hard dwrer and harder for them to keep doing it. >> former california senator barbara boxer and former florida congressman carlos curbelo, good to have you both with us tonight. thanks very much. still to come, former trump adviser thomas barrack was arrested this week on charges of illegal foreign lobbying. what might that mean for the former president? plus, people are still dying from covid-19's delta variant. one hospitalized man claimed
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we have a pandemic for those who haven't gotten a vaccination. it's that basic, that simple. this is a simple, basic proposition. if you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized. you're not going to be in icu unit. and you're not going to die. so it's jiegantically important we act like people who care about our fellow americans. >> this week an exasperated president biden repeated his plea for americans to get the vaccine. new covid cases are on the rise in all 50 states.
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the delta variant now accounts for more than 83% of new cases according to the cdc. despite this spike vaccination rates are down. americans are getting roughly 520,000 shots a day. it's about the same as in early january, when supplies were scarce. how do we encourage more americans to get the shot? could full fda authorization be the answer? that might sound strange. of course the fda okayed the vaccines. otherwise, we could not take them. that is true. but there's more to it. right now the vaccines only have emergency use authorization. that means they are temporarily approved while the agency continues to study their effectiveness and safety. this distinction matters for institutions like the military and for schools, where the bar is higher for requiring vaccinations. it also matters to some of the unvaccinated. according to a recent survey, 31% of unvaccinated americans say they would be more likely to
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get their shot if one of the vaccines received full fda approval. dr. eric topol points out the contradictions in the fda's approach. he wrote, "it's frankly unfathomable that mrna vaccines have been proved safe and effective in hundreds of millions of people and yet still have a scarlet e." dr. eric topol is the founder and director of the scripps research translational institute and he joins us now. doctor, welcome to the program. >> thanks, joshua. great to be with you. >> elaborate on that. the scarlet e. what did you mean by that? >> well, as you pointed out, it's an emergency use authorization. there has never been an emergency use authorization for a new vaccine in history. and now we have 160-plus million americans who are fully vaccinated, 180-plus million who have taken the vaccine, and we know there's a remarkable record of safety and efficacy. and of course that's even added
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all over the world with these mrna vaccines. this is the most studied biologic in history. but we haven't yet achieved its full approval via the fda. >> part of what you mentioned was the difference in the timeline between the emergency use authorization, the eua, which is what the vaccines have now, and regular fda approval processes. president biden mentioned that timeline on thursday. here's part of what he said. >> they're not promising me any specific date, but my expectation talking to the group of scientists we put together, over 20 of them plus others in the field, is that sometime maybe in the beginning of the school year, at the end of august, beginning september, october they'll get a final approval saying the fda says this is it, it's good. >> dr. topol, what do you make of that timeline? sometime beginning of the school year k end of august, beginning of september, october.
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>> yeah, that's not going to cut it, joshua, because the fda has had the applications rolling in since december. that is when the eua was filed. so were the various sections coming in on a serial basis. so it's had more than enough time, seven months, to review those sections, the whole application, to do the plant inspections, to do the various things that are requisite for this so-called biologic licensing full approval. and the problem is, as you already mentioned, we have a delta variant which is now close to 90% prevalent for all the infections in the united states. it's causing a lot of problems beyond just cases of course. and we needed this full approval to come before, no less now. and we can't wait till late august, september, october. the p delta wave will have passed by then. >> how much credibility do you put in this notion that full fda
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approval will get more people vaccinated? i'm skeptical to say the least. take a look at what the nfl has announced this week in terms of how it is going to handle vaccinations and covid outbreaks. commissioner roger goodell announced this week that if a team has an outbreak and it affects the schedule, it prevents them from being able to play, they forfeit the game and those players don't get paid for the week. that might be what it takes to get people to actually get the vaccine, is some arm twisting as opposed to, well, you know, i've been playing web m.d. for a really long time and i've been thinking about this whole fda approval thing. that just smells phony to me. it smells like another excuse. but how do you see it? >> well, i mean, you already touched on the survey from the public, kaiser family foundation, that the predominant reason a lot of people don't want to get vaccinated is because there hasn't been full approval, and it's considered by many experimental even though obviously at this point it isn't.
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but it's much bigger than that, joshua. the point here is that the general council of all the health systems in this country, no less as you mentioned the military, high schools, universities-s municipalities, private companies, a very long list, as soon as there is full approval they will be comfortable in requiring vaccinations for all employees. so that is tens of millions of americans and that's our best shot. nothing else has worked at this point to break the gridlock of getting more americans vaccinated. this is our best chance to do that. >> and if these vaccines don't receive full fda approval before the next flu season starts, what then? >> you know, after the op-ed that you cited we finally heard from dr. janet woodcock, the acting commissioner, that it will get done before january. and then you mentioned president
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biden's hope that it will be done sometime this fall. but you know, it's an emergency. this whole pandemic is an emergency crisis. and it took only ten months from the sequence of the virus to have vaccinations roll out throughout the world. it shouldn't take this long in fact to get this done. there's just no excuse. especially when we've seen things like the alzheimer's drug, which had no basis for approval, get through. everything should be put as a number one priority at fda to get this granting of full approval. >> dr. eric topol, i appreciate you talking this through with us. thanks very much. >> you bet. >> remember, if you have not been vaccinated, you can head to planyourvaccine.com. you'll find everything you need to know including the rules where you live in english, in spanish, and in chinese. please. please. don't put this off. go to planyourvaccine.com.
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the man who chaired donald trump's inaugural committee is out of jail tonight. yesterday tom barrack, away long-time trump ally, was released on a quarter billion dollars bail. that's billion with a b. mr. barrack is due back in court monday in new york. he faces charges of acting as an unregistered agent of the united arab emirates, conspiracy, obstructing justice and lying to investigators. his case is just the latest in a justice department crackdown on illegal foreign influence operations. that includes cases against other members of the former president's orbit like campaign chairman paul manafort and deputy chairman rick gates. both of those men pleaded guilty to violating the foreign agents
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registration act. joining us now to discuss it is josh gerstein, a senior legal affairs reporter for politico. let's begin by just walking through the charges against tom barrack. these sound like very serious charges, especially if he had to bail out to the tune of $250 million. >> yeah, joshua, they definitely are serious charges. the main one here being that he acted secretly as an agent for the united arab emirates and perhaps to some extent saudi arabia. both during the 2016 presidential campaign, when he was a top adviser to then candidate donald trump, and during the first year or two of the trump administration. basically advancing the interests of the united arab emirates, editing speeches to try to get words changed that they didn't like, taking out descriptions of the countries as like a dictatorship, for example, pulling that from an op-ed and changing it to something like regime or
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something more neutral-sounding. and then lobbying on who would get various important jobs during the early days of the administration. and basically two-way feedback with the united arab emirates, not only advancing their interests with the administration but reporting back to them on what was happening. >> i just want to make sure we're clear when we're talking about an agent, you're talking about kind of someone working in their interests. we're not talking about a secret agent like a spy, someone gathering information from them. that's not what this means in this context, right? >> i'm not so sure, joshua. sometimes this charge, he's been charged with is referred to as espionage light. and they are talking about a two-way street here in terms of information. it's not just lobbying. it's getting what the government calls, the u.s. government calls non-public information about things that the trump administration was about to do and relaying it to united arab emirates, which may have then gone back through official channels to head off what the administration was up to.
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>> why the uae? what do we know about tom barrack's relationship with that country? >> so that's sort of the most ambiguous aspect of this all, joshua. we know that he had a close business relationship with the uae that something like a billion and a half dollars from uae and saudi arabia, which is a close ally, were reportedly invested in his private investment fund called colony capital. but when you get into the indictment there's actually very little discussion of why tom barrack did this, what his motive was. sometimes in indictments like this when we saw one for an assistant to michael flynn, for example, or a partner of his, there was a payment to that firm of $750,000. here there's no discussion of explicit payment but there is an allusion to it being sort of shall we say helpful for the investment atmosphere of the firm and the firm's future investment prospects to make these kinds of efforts on behalf of uae. >> talk about the difference or
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perhaps similarity between tom barrack's case and the cases of paul manafort and rick gates that we mentioned before. we mentioned that they were prosecuted for violating fara, the foreign agents registration act. how are these different? >> they're very closely related. foreign agents registration act is primarily a disclosure statute. the idea is that if people are lobbying for foreign governments in the u.s. they should be registering with the u.s. government. i think the big difference here is what we were just discussing, josh, the issue of what is the quid pro quo here exactly. it's very clear that in the case of manafort and gates they were being paid millions upon millions of dollars by the government and perhaps by political parties as well in ukraine to do that sort of classic lobbying. this case with barrack is a little more murky. as i say, it's clearly in his financial interest to be working on very close relations between the u.s. and uae. but in terms of money directly changing hands or exactly what
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barrack did, that isn't discussed in the indictment. it isn't something prosecutors would have to prove. but i could see it being one of tom barrack's defenses if this ever goes to trial, that he was simply acting in his own financial interest. >> and very briefly, before i have to let you go, on wednesday the attorney general merrick garland issued a memo that limits contact between the doj and the white house. what do we read into that? >> well, this is something we've been waiting for for several months, joshua. for the last few administrations most administrations have had a policy that basically instructs white house officials to be very careful in their contacts with the justice department. of course this became very muddled during the trump administration. not so much because of the president's aides although there was some of that. but because of the president's public and private lobbying of the justice department, sxrsing disagreement with their decisions, calling for them to prosecute his enemies, calling for them to lay off of his friends. and one of biden's promises was that he was going to put a stop to that. and this memo is part of that
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begins tomorrow. and one early favorite is nyjah huston from team usa. nbc's tom llamas spoke with huston about his journey to the olympics. >> ryan: nyjah huston has been ramping up for this moment. a skating superstar known for taking on anything in his path. >> oh! >> ryan: now ready to compete on the biggest stage of them all, the olympics. talk to me about where your mind's at right now. >> excited. very excited. a lot of pressure. a lot of nerves obviously. way bigger than any skate contest i've ever skated before. i've never had anything like this. i'm stoked for this opportunity. >> ryan: huston is part of the first ever u.s. olympic skateboarding team. >> it's amazing. it's a special feeling. it's a special time for skateboarding in general. i'm thankful that i'm still in a good point of my career to make the team first and to have a good chance of going out there and getting the gold. >> ryan: huston started skating
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as a kid and quickly found his footing. he was a preteen prodigy whose signature style and gravity-defying feats launched him to incredible heights. >> for me it happened when i was so young. p i won the biggest amateur contest when i was 10 years old and by the time i was 11 i was skating x games. >> ryan: but even with the early success and fame huston remained fueled by his love of the sport. >> every time i would go skate i would be working on learning new tricks and landing new stuff, and there's a special feeling as a skateboarder when you try something for hours and you finally land it. >> ryan: that passion for skating is real. look no further than the 26-year-old's instagram. with more than 4 million followers watching the superstar hone his skills on rails, sidewalks, in his home, and out at skate parks. huston giving his fans a behind-the-scenes look at his drive to be the best. >> i just always had a lot of
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dedication for the craft, in going out there and putting the hours in and putting the work in and getting the practice in to get it done. >> ryan: huston has won 13 x games gold medals and he's a six-time world champion. oh, and did i mention he's won more prize money than any other skater. there are two skating formats at the tokyo park and street. huston is sating street where you have to make the most of every rail, jump and slope. >> it's a very high chance you could injury yourself on the board because the stuff you're doing out there is so technical. >> ryan: now huston hopes that hard work and practice pays off. >> what can they expect? >> they can expect me to go out there and give it my absolute all because i'm really proud to be representing team usa. >> very cool. that was nbc's tom llamas reporting. the national eviction ban ends next week. but millions of americans are still behind on payments.
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next week millions of americans may be at risk of of losing their homes. that's because the national eviction ban is set to end on july 31st. the ban took effect last summer under the trump administration. right now more than 11 million americans say they are still not caught up with their housing payments. that's 16% of renters in the u.s. and that is despite more than $45 billion in rental relief allocated by congress in two stimulus packages. as of the end of june just 3 billion of that aid had reached families. 3 billion spent out of 45 billion approved. if you are struggling, this money could prove crucial. the program offers up to 18 months of assistance including payments for back and future
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rent. so what's the holdout? let's discuss it with julian castro, former secretary of housing and urban development during the obama administration and an msnbc political analyst. secretary castro, good to see you again. welcome. >> great to be with you. >> so what do you make of this i know the white house held an eviction summit this week to try to urge states and cities to move the money along, and there's a deadline. if they don't get at least two-thirds of that money spent by september 30th, they could lose it. what's your view on how the rollout has gone? >> you mentioned the figures. i think it was $47 billion in all that was allocated by congress for emergency rental assistance to try and ensure people could stay in their homes during the pandemic. on top of that we had this elikz moratorium the cdc put in place that is expiring on july 31st at the end of the month.
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so suffice to say in state after state in most cities out there in our country the rollout has not gone very well at all. i mean, this is clearly a failure to live up to the potential of this program. what it means is, number one, the white house was smart to try and get folks in these states and localities to jump start their programs in an emergency basis to get these funds out to people who need them. now that this eviction moratorium is expiring, that is especially important. it's also important for renters who are out there. and we have 7.4 million households who say they're behind on rent. for renters out there not to sit back and wait but to call your city government, call the housing authority. if you you live in a rural community, the usda or united way or catholic charities, reach out because there are funds that are there that may be able to
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help in your situation. i also believe that we simply cannot allow more than 7 million households to face eviction especially because of those 70 million folks, 80% of them live in counties where the delta variant is surging. so you have this perfect storm of people who may be evicted, plus the coronavirus is surging in their areas. that means that congress should extend this moratorium. the biden administration should be willing to extend it as well. >> and the application is different from state to state, but take a look what some of the broad qualifications are for rental assistance. of course you've got to check on the rules where you are. qualify for unemployment benefits, prove a risk for homeless or housing instability, and your combined household income last year can't exceed 80% of median income for the area. those are the general qualifications. i wonder what your sense is of where this sits in the larger
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problem of housing. is this a problem that covid caused? or is this just covid sort of ripping the lid off of problems that date back to your administration and before? what's underneath this? >> no question, joshua. we had a housing affordability crisis well before the pandemic. there was a study a few days ago that said very clearly there's not a single county in our country where somebody that's working full time, making minimum wage can afford a two-bedroom apartment. in most places you can't even ford the rent on a one-bedroom apartment. so we've had an affordability crisis going into this pandemic. this pandemic has clearly exacerbated that as people lost their jobs, you know, there are more than $5,000 behind on rent in many places. so it's made it worse. that means that states and localities have to get their act together, get rid of the bureaucratic red tape, make sure this money gets into the hands of renters that need it.
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i believe that the biden administration should extend this moratorium and that congress should act on an emergency basis to extend it as well. if they don't what we face potentially are millions of people out there who will get evicted. the minute that landlords are able to file those evictions. and we're going to have not only a virus crisis but an eviction crisis. the last thing i'll say about this, though, is you may live in a state where there's a statewide eviction moratorium or a local eviction moratorium in place. so i would ask folks to check and make sure because you may well still be protected. there are about ten states that have their own eviction moratorium in place. >> lots of local organizations and agencies that can help out. catholic charities, united way, your local housing authority. this money is there. if you feel that you might even need the assistance, if you think you might need the assistance, at least reach out
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and ask for the help. it's bet door ask and not get it than to be qualified and not even ask. >> absolutely. >> former hud secretary julian castro, good to have you on tonight. thanks very much. you've heard of pyrotechnics, so what do you think a pyrocumulus cloud would be? we'll show you next. s cloud wou be we'll show you next. liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you? one! two! three! four! five! 72,807! 72,808... dollars. yep... everything hurts. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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the wildfires in the western u.s. show no signs of letting up
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this weekend. according to the national interagency fire center there are now 88 large fires in 13 states. together they've burned nearly 1.5 million acres. the bootleg fire in southern oregon is the biggest wildfire in the country. in 2 1/2 weeks it has scorched more than 400,000 acres. currently it is just over 40% contained. scientists say the bootleg fire is so intense that it's generating its own weather. it's creating updrafts of hot air, smoke and moisture called pyrocumulus clouds. they reach as high as 30,000 feet. sometimes the clouds collapse when the updraft stops, and this creates strong, gusty winds in all directions that spreads fires farther. the clouds can also grow bigger and become pyrocumulonimbus
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clouds. these tornados can be thousands of feet in diameter with wind speeds over 60 miles per hour. the entire country is feeling the effects of these wildfires. this week smoke road the jetstream to the east coast turning the sky here hazy. many people noticed the sun had an orange tint. a meteorologist attributes this to the way that smoke scatters light. meanwhile the danger that firefighters face remains extreme. according to "the wall street journal" almost 22,000 firefighters and other personnel have been deployed. check out this video that was taken from inside a fire department truck from the university of california davis. it shows the tamarack fire which recently spread from california into nevada. the crew was working to protect a housing development. so how will we deal with rising temperatures? researchers are testing some new technology to do just that in the united

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