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show every night and i want to that i if you spent any of the nights with us over the last four years, we need an audience and you have are made it for us. thank you, and "the reid out" starts now with tiffany joy. >> your panel mentioned 50 cent and i have 21 questions for the panel up coming. congratulations on an amazing show. i'm picking it occupy here to begin "the reid out" tonight with a highly contagious delta variant and resistant ideas on vaccines. it's now a pandemic of the unvaccinated. people entering the hospital with covid have not received the shots in states like alabama,
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which has the lowest vaccination rate in the country with 34% of the people fully vaccinated. and where virtually every county is considered high risk for the unvaccinated. this is a source of frustration of course for the republican governor there, kib. >> what is it going to take to get shots in arms? >> i don't know, you tell me. folks supposed to have common sense. but it's time to start blaming the unvaccine mated folks, not the vaccinated folks, that are letting us down. >> don't you feel it's your responsibility to try and help get the situation under control? >> i have done all i know how to did. i can encourage you to do something. i cannot make you take care of yourself. a few thoughts about common sense, what we have found that common sense is not as prevalent. we are seeing arkansas american
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who is are refusing to get vaccinated, including the parent on of an 8-year-old child sick with covid. >> he is sick a lot, he has been sick a lot for a while, and he is still sick. we will get him looked at to see if there's further damage. he got real sick. fever every day for weeks. >> are you guys going to get the vaccine? >> no. no vaccine. >> how come? >> i don't trust the government. >> obviously we care about children. and i get that some of you out there are thinking i don't care about these people if they refuse to get the vaccine. here's the deal. a pandemic for the unvaccinated still poses a risk to all of us. according to new projections released from the covid-19 scenario modelling hub. things are going to get worse. a lot worse. listen up. in the most likely scenario, according to researchers the u.s. reaches only 70% vaccination rate. and the dell vaiant is 60% more
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transmissable. and there could be around 60,000 cases and 850 days each day. joining us now to make sense of it is ted lieu, former obama white house health director and tim miller, writer at large for the bullwork. >> i have to start with you, my mind is blown. everyone is excited, everyone is saying it will be the most turnt summer ever and now we are facing another potential shutdown. do you think the country at this point will have a shutdown in october? or will we just get used to nearly thousand people dying every day? >> yeah, tiffany, you are in good company, a lot of our minds are blown too. i don't think we are going to get to a shoutdown. i do think we will see continuing rolling mask mandates or mask requirements in doors and i think that's the responsible thing to do. and that could hit us before
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october/november. this surge is something that we probably modeled out to be in the fall when people came back to school and workplaces opened fully. this is hitting us weeks earlier and we are going to have to deal with it probably as you mentioned in the modelling, in the next 4-6 weeks. >> which is insane. so, congressman, i want to ask you because in california, in l.a., particularly, they have brought back the mask mandate, and you made the really good point that, eventually caring for the unvaccinated will fall to the people who are vaccinated. how in the hell did saving yourself from a deadly virus become political? >> that's a great question. now, i'm pleased that we now see more republicans going public and telling people to get vaccinated. it is just amazing a miracle of science that we have vaccines that are effective in protecting
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you from the original strain and the delta variant, according to the public health englengland. the pfizer vaccine is 88% effective in keeping you from any symptoms from the delta variant. i am grateful that republicans are doing it now, but i urge them to come forward and tell their base to get vaccinated. having their base get sick and die is not good for their party. >> i echo your thoughts, congressman. honestly i feel they have blood on their hands. they could have done it months ago. mask plan dates are coming back, we will see more restrictions for covid. if you have never known real oh, presentation, you can mistake getting a vaccine is and wearing a mask as such, which is not the case. this cannot be all trump. you have a human instinct to
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save yourself even if you don't give a damn about anyone else, why are people so resistant to saving themselves? >> it's hard to psycho analyze all the reasons. there's a lot of misinformation. there has been wildly irresponsible commentators on fox and conservative news outlets and the republican candidates were too late to setting a good message. it's been set in stone for a year now. if you thought covid was a hoax last year, why would you get a shot this year? it goes all the way back to what was happening in the trump administration, who seeded this war. just as a political, putting on my political hat talking to democrats, they should be conscious to want to go back to mandates that vaccinated people feel like are punishing them. and i feel like, the right path
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forward is more caring. look what the nba did, they said to their players, if you are going to get vaccinated you can do whatever you want. if you are unvaccinated you have to stay in your hotel room, when it comes to summer league. these types of rules and nudges is a better path forward politically speaking, obviously if we get to the point where you have to do mandates and nudges, that's where you are. i think the democrats should look to that first and think, we are the responsible party, we are trying to encourage people to be responsible. we are not punishing people who are being responsible. >> you know, i hear you. but let me say. i don't look at it as punishment. i'm vaccinated and i know enough people who have been impacted post vaccination, it's still saving ourselves, right? so doctor, i will ask you, how long, i feel like it's a matter of time before one of the variants could opinion trait the vaccines in in a fatal way. we have not seen it right now, but the virus is getting smarter. so, is that something that the medical community is considering
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and is that something is that we should all be concerned about as increasingly people are not getting vaccinated? >> we should. and to be candid, i agree with the projections that optimistically, if vaccinations are going up by the way, about 600,000 in the last 24 hours. but we will peak out at 70, 75%. so to your point, we already have variants after the greek letter delta, one from peru that has more concerning mutations and there's absolutely going to be potentially all the way to pie and others. so, those variants and their mere existence pose what we worry about. immune escape. this is so much a land of the unknown, just when we think we understand it, the virus is rt smart enough to throw a boom
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arang in the equation. we may have to talk about mitigation and things like masks again, especially if kids are going back to school. which i insist they do. >> yeah, i mean, people are uncomfortable with masks. i guarantee you a ventilator is more uncomfortable. congressman, i have to say, i feel like the virus is not actually the thing that is killing us, it's ignorance and in tennessee, they finally started reengaging with vaccination outreach efforts after some backlash and you tweeted about this. i mean, how do on we combat ingredient -- combat ignorance, how do we penetrate that willful layer of ignorance of people who are saying, well, i'm just not going to do it because i don't wanna. >> of the remaining people not
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vaccinated there's three groups. there's folks that can't be vaccinated because they are too young or immuno compromised or have a condition where they can't be. and you have a group of people ideologically resistant, but for the other folks, it's the best way to get the doctors to talk to them and medical professionals. if you get them the facts many will come around and get vaccinated. there's hope to get more people vaccinated as we head this in to the fall. >> you know, i hope you are right. but i do also think about people all over the globe, dr. patel, who are dying, literally dying for the vaccine. and they are watching what is happening here in america, privileged americans scoff at it and you see people on their deathbeds hoping and wishing on get the vaccine. how do we look to the global community as we sit here in our comfortable spaces and we just thumb our nose at something that is life saving?
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i mean, and how can america really be helpful to other people in the world if we are wasting the vaccines on people who don't want them? >> yeah, you are right, we talk about the two americas. we are living in two worlds. this is the world of the kind of top wealthiest countries that have essentially hoarded the vaccines and basically 85% of the earth. and that's what we need to take in to consideration. look, i think the biden administration has been doing a lot. they can do more by urging other countries to pour in the efforts globally, money, pfizer vaccines, any of the manufacturers that are outside the u.s. i know, i have been throwing can doses away. they expire and sit on the shelves and i throw them away. you know how many lives i could save with what is left in a precious vial, that is what we
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have to watch play out. we have been watching it for a year and people don't care. there's hesitating people and there's people who absolutely think the government is behind this and that there's magnets in the vaccines. and that bill gates will monitor us. i mean, it's disturbing how many democrats also share some of those beliefs. so, we have a lot of work to do, tiffany, it's unfortunately not going to be the end, vaccines are the light at the tunnel. it's a long tunnel. >> yeah, and you know, honestly that's the scary part. this ignorance is not bipartisan. i have had conversations with people who are conspiracy theorists and hear what they think the vaccine will do with you and you can google what it actually can does. sean hannity came out and made a fuss about getting vaccinated and then he walked it back. that is why i'm hesitating to give them a pat on the back after they sat on their hands for a year and let hundreds of
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thousands of people die to follow their maga madman. for people who are solely focused on fox news and conservative contributors, um, what is your advic to those folks who trust these voices and are willing to risk their lives for it? >> two things, one we have to give credit to the biden administration that has been sharing vaccines with the globe. they may have been slow to it, that is one good thing they deserve credit for. as far as hannity and the folks are concerned, you do not get a year of saying it's a hoax and put out one statement and say, hey, i think people should get vaccinated and all of that year goes away. there needs to be a much more concerted effort and for republicans who care about the lives of their constituents, just a handful of republicans maybe not as many as we hoped, there needs to be a more pro active effort. creative thinking. if trump is going to do rallies, why not do rallies with
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vaccines? right, that could be the message to them. just one statement to the press is not getting the job done. there needs to be a more creative thinking of how they can get in the communities, making them get a jab to get an s.e.c. football game would be a good start in the fall or things of that nature. one quote is not doing the deal. >> well, we will be talking about the nfl mandate later in the show. stay tuned for that. and just, if you are the other side of the divide, the only people aligning with you are the maga crowd, so rethink your philosophy around that. thank you all. don't go anywhere at home up next the conservatives are taking aim at the abortion rights asking the supreme court to strike down roe v. wade and president biden under pressure to turn his strong words on voting rights in to strong action. is he fully invested in this voter suppression crisis or what? and as the summer olympics are getting under way, black women are being counted to win olympic
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when you add xfinity mobile. get started today. . i don't believe anyone should be forced to take the vaccine. it should be your personal choice. you should make the choice based on your health and the decisions you want we as americans can make our own choices. >> thank you. >> for our own families and for our own bodies. >> we will not have mask mandates and we will not have mandates on the vaccine. you will not shut down chefrps and schools for other large gatherings, it's a key cornerstone, frankly of our country. >> oh, yeah, the right has been all about my body my choice when it comes to vaccines and masks. but conveniently that does not apply to abortion. they have been trying overturn
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roe v. wade since abortion became legal in 1973 and now thanks to mitch mcconnell and trump, they may finally get their chance. despite the fact that a majority of americans support abortion rights. in a filing yesterday, the state of mississippi asked the court to overturn e v. wade and they wrote that the case to overturn it is overwhelming, the conclusion that abortion is a constitutional right is no basis in history or tradition, now the court will hear the case in the fall. but mississippi is far from the only state where republicans are trying take away a woman's right to choose. this year alone, 97 abortion restrictions are have been enacted in 19 states and ten states have laws banning all or nearly all abortions. those laws would be triggered if
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roe v. wade is overturned. joining me now, alexis johnson, president and ceo of planned parenthood of america. ladies, i'm happy to have you here. you know, i will start with you, alexis, i don't think that people understand that you are not going to force a woman to carry a child to term if that is not her choice. i want you to take a moment and explain to our viewers what a society looks like when abortion is outlawed everywhere. >> oh, well you are absolutely right. i mean, it is, it is not going to stop people from seeking access to abortion, it means they will have less access to safely abortion. they will have to travel many miles out of state in to other states with other restrictions. if roe is overturned because of this, this case, and greerly mississippi's ag has said the quiet parts outloud, what we are looking at is roughly 25 million
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women living in approximately 26 states that are poised to outlaw abortion outright and so it continues to mean that our control over our bodies, this is always about our control, right? it's never been about choice. it's about whether or not we can control or the state can control our bodies to force pregnancy in cases where people decided that they don't, they did not want to be pregnant. >> yeah, i mean, i know it may be graphic so people understand, i mean, we are going back to coat hangers and seedy hotels and women being killed by bootleg seedy doctors claiming to help them. that's not what we want in a society that claims to care about women. it's not about the protection of a fetus or children. mississippi, according to u.s. news world and report, they rank dead last in health care.
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in the economy they rank 48th. they rank 48th in infrastructure. this is the same crowd that cheered on kids in cages, who said we don't care about people showing up in the border, mothers and children seeking refuge, how do we take them seriously when it could comes to agency over our own bodies? >> if -- we recognize that republicans are saying, if -- this is question, a fight against the poor. and it's not giving women agency over their body to make decisions. and you have a republican party who is encouraging people to not take the vaccine because they should is have agency to make the choice, even though that person could be covid, basically could have covid and sadly infect a lot of people.
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so at the end of the day when we want to have a frank conversation about who accesses abortion under the new laws, it will be rich women. sadly, it's not the middle class or the poor. we have to make sure that regardless of such economic status, every woman has agency over her body, full stop. >> full stop. you know, we talked a bit about polling and public support for abortions in the open. and so this false notion that americans are too undecided or too, the abortion is too much of a polarizing issue to decide this case without judges to interfere. i suppose polling is important. i guess, for argument sake, i don't about the polling. if a woman doesn't have to do it her opinion is the only one that matters. how seriously should we take any polling when it comes to this issue, given that it doesn't really matter, especially if it's going against the will of the people.
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>> well, i think it is about the will of the people and polling is instructive, 80% of people believe roe should be the law of the land and there's no state where banning abortion is popular. even in the states that are putting up the most unconstitutional blatant restrictions on access to abortion. in texas, you know, the state, you know, where senator cruz is proudly talking about choice has passed a six week unconstitutional ban that criminalizes providers accessing abortion and the procedure after six weeks places a bounty on anybody who supports someone getting access to abortion. so, i actually think the polling in this case is very instructive. because you know, no one in the states actually wants it to happen. you have a vocal minority of state legislators who have control of the power and they are wielding that power to make
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decisions about our bodies. i would no rather have, you know, senator cruz or any other state legislator making this choice for me than i know i can make for myself. right? it's about trusting women. it's about making sure that we understand that we can control the decisions around access to do our body and like maria said, full stop, there's just no question about it. >> yeah, i mean, maybe senator cruz should stick to being an expert on cancun vacations. i will ask you this, when it comes to the supreme court i'm terrified that the supreme court may actually overturn roe v. wade, i know the argument has been going on for a long time. but there's a real live hand maiden on the supreme court, do you think the supreme court will take up the case and potentially overturn a law that was so consequential in 1973? >> there was such a fight for the supreme court.
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mitch mcconnell made it clear that if he can deliver this to the evangelical movement, it's a win. that is why trump did what he did and basically not only stacked the supreme court, but stacked the circuit courts because of the culture war that we have. the difficulty though, tiffany is that the majority of americans do not share these values. the majority of women who have in the reproductive ages definitely don't share the values. ask the majority of young women they are part of the progressive movement right now because of all of the local state legislatures that are trying to ban abortion. this is one of the reasons why they came out in droves against mitt romney and it's not going to stop. we have to communicate clearly to our state legislators and congressional leaders, especially if you are in a red state, you are not going to allow it on their watch. the supreme court has held that they are a political entity in
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the way they have ruled. >> i venture to say if men could get pregnant perhaps abortion clinics would be like starbucks. everywhere. thank you both. thank you so much for joining us in that important conversation and still ahead, president biden is facing increasing pressure to get something done on voting rights. but with congressional republicans bent on obstruction, is there anything that he can do? some people say yes, we will be right back. nothing will stop me from vacation. no canceling. flexible cancellation. kayak. search one and done. (man) i've made progress with my mental health. so when i started having unintentional body movements called tardive dyskinesia... ... i ignored them. but when the movements in my hands and feet started throwing me off at work... i finally had to say, 'it's not ok.' it was time to talk to my doctor about austedo.
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civil war. >> that is last week. now, he made crystal clear that free and narrow elections in the country are under assault interest and he would vigorously defend the right to vote but there were things that we looked to hear he did not. he never once uttered the word filibuster. everyone knows the republican backed voting restrictions that are sweeping the country will disproportionately impact people of color. and the white house is not suggesting that it's a disparity the country can live with. the "new york times" reports in private calls with voting rights groups and civil rights leaders, white house officials and close allies of the president have expressed confidence that it is possible to out organize voter suppression. it's according to multiple
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people familiar with the conversations. while several biden advisers say they recall the conversation differently. it's not sitting well with voting rights advocates and voters. they found his approach to be naive at best signaling the would you say saw this as an election challenge. this comes as 150 organizations signed a public letter yesterday pushing the president to pass voting rights legislation by what ever means necessary. we also saw congressman hank johnson from my neck of the woods and others get arrested yesterday while protesting for voting rights with the group black voters matter. that congressman, hank johnson of georgia joins me now along with my buddy, latosha brown, happy to see you congressman, free, this evening.
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i am curious of your thoughts. in these conversations do you get the impression that the white house is doing everything within their power to protect voting rights in the country? >> well, i'm going to give you a straight answer. no. and i'm sorry about that, but i remain hopeful that this administration, joe biden president, will come to his senses. get away from the sentimentalism of the past and how the senate used to work and how the members used to consort with each other and work things out over a drink and a cigar. those days are long over. you know, these folks are trying to kill us right now as far as our right to vote. they are trying kill our democracy, and no amount of organizing can overcome the
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wrongfulness of surpressing votes in a democracy, we either have a democracy or we don't and if everyone can't vote in the country, if some can't vote because of their race, then this is not a true democracy. so, we are actually in a fight, tiffany, for democracy, it's being attacked by those who take away our vote and it's wrong. and we can't stand for it. >> yeah, it's a fight for democracy, congressman, it's a fight for our lives. latosha, i think the congressman makes a great point and i appreciate the straight answer. given, when he talks about joe biden thinking of the good old days when they made a deal over the cigar, the good old days were bad for us. we were getting hanged from trees and lynched for trying to vote. as someone on the front lines fighting battles and frying to protect democracy and save the country from itself again, what is your fay and expectation of the federal government as we
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square off with somebody who, or with a group of people who intend to impede our rights as american citizens? >> let me first say i'm happy to share the space with my congressman, i live in the district of congressman hank's so i'm glad to be here on the front lines with him. and i want to say that we have to recognize, black people, black voters have been a casualty of war within the power struggle of political parties. and so, once again, what we are carrying, we have to recognize, when you listen to president biden, i understand the spirit of what he is saying around he wants unity and to put people together, bring unity by bringing people together. what he is saying and not really recognizing what he is saying he is also saying that in order tore black people to have voting rights in the country, it has to be affirmed by white folks. at the end of the day, we have to recognize we are not a negotiating tool for the administration. we are not a negotiating tool
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for a political party. it's around human rights. not just even civil rights. this is as a black person in america, it should not be harder for me to be able to vote or for me to be punished to vote because of the way i voted or who i voted for. the very definition is that is political corruption. so, in fact what i think we have to think about is to fill a buster, whatever the tool is, it cannot be for black voters once again being a negotiating tool in a political war that was not started by us in a war between two parties. >> you give me goose bumps. you put it in important context. congressman, back to you, the thing that i don't think enough people realize, it's not just about voting rights, if you narrow the path to the ballot box it casts a shadow over a lot of things. governor abbott is trying to use it to ban abortion rights, and
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restrict transgender athletes from competing in sports. it's what it all entails. is that what it takes to make people understand that the fight is urgent? that the world is on fire and we are the only thing standing between us and an autocracy? >> well, tiffany, i don't know if enough people understand the danger that we are in. your last segment about abortion and how the only people who will, in a new medeivil society that they seek to impose on us, the only people that will have freedom over their bodies are white women because they have money. any time, only people who are light skinned, white, are able to vote in this country. i mean, these are -- these subjects are the immediate threats to us. i mean, to everyone. and if everyone does not start feeling a sense of urgency of
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taking action, i am grateful to be here. yesterday i was able to take action to come out of my comfort zone, but it's going to take more than hank johnson and latosha brown and joyce betty and others to come out of their comfort zones and to confront this evil that is right there in front of our face and ready to choke us to death unless we can show that we are not going to lay down and let it happen, we are actually going to seize control, this is our country. we built this country. >> yeah. >> and so, you know, nobody has a claim to it bigger and better than us. so, it's up to us now to save this country, if not just for ourselves but for our fellow man. >> yes, as our friend angela said, we built the country for free, mind you, so, thank you,
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all right. i told you, i am a woman of my word. joining me now is cari champion, the amazing cari champion,
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co-host of "tokyo tonight" which starts streaming tomorrow night on peacock. tune in. we have you, cari. i'm excited you are here. it is just us two sports connoisseurs talking about our sports topics, which you know i love to do. i'm super excited. i am going to watch the olympic show you are hosting because i think it is fabulous and i think you are fabulous, but i have to tell you i'm not super excited about the olympics this time. i wonder if that's because there's not an audience or maybe it is the disparate treatment of black women, it is kind of a turn-off. what do you think? do i need to get my pep in my step for the olympic? >> you know what? i think it is a combination of things. you're not alone. i know there's this overall feeling of it is it really worth it, should we be doing it, do i want to tune in. but it is all of the things. it is a global pandemic. i feel as if so many people have other things on their minds. i will tell you as always happens during the olympics, because it has been a rite of
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passage, we both love it, there would be moments so defining you will want to tune in or you will be excited about it. when you talk about the lack of respect for our special black women that are competing at the highest level but still not being heard or seen in a way that's definitely equitable, i can understand that, tiffany. that feeling is very, very much shared. >> yeah. and i kind of feel like, you know, for such a problem, have the olympics without us and see how that works out for you. but to your point, i think it is super exciting when i saw naomi ozaki light the caldron. it was such a magical moment and i think we will see other moments. you have gwen berry. i'm kpieed to see if she will protest. >> she will. >> what are you most excited for about the olympics? >> what i'm excited about is to see how each athlete, and depending on respective countries because it could be a small country we're not even familiar with, but i do believe this year there's so much going on in individual countries, specifically here in america where we will see the athletes use their platform and demand,
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demand the respect that they deserve. and they will use their platform in a way to bring more attention to what they feel is unjust. i think simone will continue, as she said in her words, to do very tough, tough olympic tricks because she can, right? that's the type of gymnast she is. simone biles will have our attention. even though there will be people in the olympic track and feel sector who will be rooting for sha'carri, and when i tell you that allyson felix has nine medals, clearly the most in her field, she has sponsored nine other women to bring their children to the olympic games and provide child care because she knew as a mom they didn't respect her as a mother and an olympian. she is like, let me tell you, we can do both. we can do our things. so when i'm telling you i'm watching all of this beautiful
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black girl magic because we carry the world on our shoulders and do it so effortlessly, it is the reason to tune in. >> this is true. you are making me get excited. just hearing you talk about it is making me get excited. i love she sponsored child care for nine women. that's just amazing. i do have to say, the covid stuff, that is making me nervous. i'm looking at our athletes. an estimated 83% of olympic competitors are fully vaccinated which is good, but about 100 of the u.s. folks, about 613, are not. what is up with our athletes resistant to the vaccine? >> look, you read about it even in the nfl today or yesterday when they're saying get a vaccine or don't get a vaccine, they're basically saying you have to get one if you want to get paid. once you start messing with my money, then you are telling me i got to do something. what i believe, especially here in the states, athletes that i talk to are so slow in responding to get a vaccination because they feel as if there's something else there, they're not -- and it could be religious reasons outside of that or
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health care reasons outside of that. but i think there's an inherent mistrust of the government which, look, is understandable, but i also know there's also a lot of uneducated people talking about this vaccine as if they know about it. everybody is a scientist. everybody has a cousin who works at the pentagon. it is like, you know what? i need all y'all to really do your research, and then say yes or no to why you want to get a vaccine. >> yes. >> i think it is extremely selfish, in my opinion, if you don't take the necessary precautions if you are unvaccinated. i'm not saying get vaccinated. i'm saying if you are not, take the precautions nets. >> yeah. well, i'm saying get vaccinated because it can put us all at risk if you don't get that needle in your arm, playboy. it matters. >> listen, like i said, i agree with you. but some people say it is religious people, some people truly -- but i'm like, don't run around without a mask, tiff. >> that's true. >> don't sit up in other people's area possibly infecting them. what we're hoping is that they're taking this really
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serious because the village is really small and, like you mentioned, 100 athletes, american athletes, are not vaccinated. it is going to be touch and go. >> yeah, yeah. well, it is very frustrating. since we are talking about not being vaccinated, i'm curious of your thoughts on the nfl mandate. why won't the nfl just make it mandatory? do you think they should? >> i do think they should. i don't think they have any legal right to say that. i do think that they are going to do -- they're leading the charge. i think a lot of corporations and companies will start saying that. they just were afraid and they wanted to see what everyone else is doing. i know people -- look, i talked to a young fellow the other day in the military. he's like they're not demanding i get it. they demand so many other vaccines but they're not demanding we get this vaccine. what the nfl is saying they know last year was such a disaster in trying to reschedule games and postpone games and who was responsible. so they're saying, look, you don't have to get it, but if you don't and there's a breakout, here are the things that will
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happen to you. at the end of the day it is always about the money. tiffany, you don't want anybody taking money out of your pocket. i don't want anybody taking any of my dollars. so they're telling the athletes who live -- and i know they make a lot of money but a lot live check to check. >> yeah. >> you get 12 checks, right, if you don't make it into the post-season. you get 12 or 16 checks and you realize, hold on, i don't have any money and you're taking a check away? that's a big check to take away, and people will pay attention. >> a lot of these athletes are taking care of families, distant cousins and relatives like a lot of us are, amen. i get that. that money matters. i have to tell you, jahmel -- i called you jamele, your bff. for weeks a friend of mine said just say it would be good to see someone get a chip. i don't have any sports
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terminology anymore. before we get to that, time to play our favorite game. that is "who won the week?" that is with me, cari champion, our resident champion, and our returning champion latosha brown is back with us. so who do i start with first? cari, we will stick with you. who won the week? >> naomi osaka clearly. i'm going say that because not only are we right at the opening ceremony of the olympics and she lit the caldron or the torch, if you will, for japan because she is representing her home country of japan, but because a few days ago she was on the cover of "sports illustrated" looking like a fire cracker. before that i want to say she won the month because of her "new york times" article, her op-ed where she was clearly honest about what was going on with her mental health. she made it so, so okay not to be okay. >> yeah. >> and she is so young. this little girl, not even little. let me say this. this young lady. >> yeah. >> in her early 20s, she has won
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four grand slams and she is changing the conversation in sports. i applaud her. >> i love that. i'm going to talk more about her and that with your old pal on my show "the cross connection" tomorrow. >> good. >> i love you picked her. i have choice words for somebody who has been picking on her. stay tuned. latosha brown, i fit you in the week every week, but i'm carous who you say won the week. >> cliff albright, my amazing partner who is a black man, who does the work, who is an amazing organizer, who has cluck rally been working nonstop tirelessly for years on the front lines, i mean in terms of supporting black women. he did a whole organizing of black men in support of black women. he has been consistent in standing in that space. a shout-out to my partner and friend, cliff albright. >> i echo that. shout out to you, cliff albright. we saw you standing up for us.
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my "who won the week" is pharrell williams. released the song "entrepreneur" with jay-z last summer. he put method to the music and founded the nonprofit black ambition, which is an organization that funds startups and they just released their new startups today. 34 entrepreneurs received at least $15,000, and there were two grand prize winners. one received a million dollars and another hbcu received one. so that's my who won the week. thank you so much, cari champion and latosha brown. i'm way over. i will see you tomorrow for "the cross connection" my guests including joaquin castro and christine plaskett. "all in" with chris hayes. tonight on "all in." >> it is time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. it is the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. >> a

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