tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 21, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
with us on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news. good night. so here's how it lays out in the new book by carol leonnig and philip rucker. it's not a long thing i'm going to read you here. it's sort of short. but fair warning even though it's a short excerpt, there's a whole bunch of swears here. swev and i am disinclined to swear on tv, but i'm going to try to move them around, those costs words, as much as i can, while still tried to convey to you the forcefulness of the conversation that they report here. with that caveat, here it is. >> trump had made the nations leaders choose, not just whether to stay or go but
whether to preserve democracy or devolve towards otto thierry and rule, whether the truth matters or not, whether the ends justify the means. tensions were running high. congresswoman liz cheney, the number three ranking house republican who had close ties to several military national security leaders, called chairman of the direct chiefs of staff, general mark milley on january 7th, she called him to check in. milley asked her quote, how are you doing? , she replied quote, that effing guy jim jordan. that son of a, word that rhymes with witch, cheney said. she was referring to one of trump's allies in the house. congressman jim jordan of ohio. she described that he in jordan -- she described being together with congressman jordan during the siege of the capital on january 6th. remember this conversation took
place the day after january six, she told general mediately quote, while these maniacs are going through the place, i'm sitting in the aisle and he said, we need to get the ladies away from the aisle. let me help you. i smacked his hand away from me and told him, get away from me. you effing did this. you bleep did this. that book came out yesterday, the title is i alone can fix it, donald trump's catastrophic final here, it is the number one selling book in the united states right now. and while that incident was never reported before, carol leonning and philip rucker put it in their best-selling book, it is now reported. it is on the record. excerpts including that one from the book have been circulating in recent days. because of that, we probably should've seen today's news coming. when the house of representatives decided they would do an investigation on the attack on the capital on
january 6th, the first negotiation was a true bipartisan expert commission, a blue ribbon commission that would have equal representation from republicans and democrats that would be scrupulously, nonpartisan, or at least evenly divided. democrats in the leadership of the house, negotiated that with the republicans who have been dedicated by their leadership to come up with their sort of things. both sides came to an agreement and worked out in detail how this bipartisan, nonpartisan, blue ribbon commission would work. they put it up for a vote and the republicans voted against it anyway. even though they had negotiated what it should be, and what it was going to be was a perfectly nonpartisan entity. they voted against it. so that one away, that was weird. it was weird if you think republicans are participating in the project of governing alongside democrats as a good faith opposition party these
days, but if in fact believe that i would like to welcome you back to the land of the living. it's not that where that they voted down to sing that they negotiated, they do that kind of stuff all the time. but after republicans voted down their own proposal for a bipartisan, nonpartisan, expert investigation, house speaker nancy pelosi said that she wouldn't let the idea die if they wouldn't do something with the democrats, the sort of expert commission, instead she would create in the house a select committee to investigate january six, and instead of external experts brought in by both sides with, it will be members of congress who serve on this committee. she announced she would appoint republican congresswoman liz cheney and a short list of democrats, she's done invited the republican leader of the house kevin mccarthy to appoint
five members as well. one of the names on his a list of five appointees was jim jordan. how did that go on january six, between jim jordan and liz cheney again? can you put that back up. there it is. bottom of page four 91, that effing guy jim jordan. that son of a witch, i smacked his hand away and said get away from me, you effing did this. that is on the record, that is a known thing. kevin mccarthy like all of us knew that liz cheney was already on that committee. he also had to have known about this recent blockbuster reporting about what went down between liz cheney and jim jordan inside the house as the house was being attacked on january six. and knowing that, what better way to blow up that committee then by trying to slip on to that committee that same jim jordan, to sit alongside liz cheney to get to the bottom of what really happened that day.
congresswoman cheney today was asked about nancy pelosi's decision to say no to jim jordan and one of the republican member put on that committee. when congresswoman cheney was asked for her reaction to that decision today she did not mince words. >> at every opportunity, the minority leader has attempted to prevent the american people from understanding what happened. to block this investigation. today, the speaker objected to two republican members. she accepted three others. she objected to, one of whom may well be a material witness to events that led to that day, that led to january six. the other who disqualified himself by his comments, in particular over the last 24 hours, demonstrating that he is not taking this seriously. he is not dealing with the facts of this investigation, but rather view it as a political platform.
this investigation must go forward, the idea that anybody would be playing politics with an attack on the united states capitol is despicable and disgraceful. i am absolutely dedicated to making sure that this investigation holds those accountable, who did this, and ensures that it never happens again. and the american people deserve that in that is what we're going to do. >> do you think you can still get that nonpartisan investigation you want, given that no other republican but yourself will participate? >> i'm absolutely confident that we will have a nonpartisan investigations, that it will look at the facts, that it will go wherever the facts may lead. there are three members that the minority leader proposed, that the speaker did not object to, she has objected to two members, and the rhetoric around this from the minority leader and from those two members has been disgraceful. this must be an investigation that is focused on facts. the idea that any of this has become politicized is really
unworthy of the office that we all hold, and unworthy of our republic. >> do you personally urge the speaker to take the step? >> i agree with what the speaker has done. step >> did you personally, did you personally urge the speaker to take this step? >> i agree with what the speaker has done. that is a meaningful dodge. but you know it is a serious thing, it's not just that liz cheney does not enjoy the company of jim jordan, i'm sure he's a delightful dining companion. what is on record about how she views jim jordan is that she thinks he did it. that he is culpable, that he is part of why the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol happened. that reference that she made in the middle of those remarks there to him being a material witness to the crime in question. listen to that part again. >> she objected to, one of whom,
may well be a material witness to advance that led to that day, that led to january six. the other who disqualified himself by his comments, in particular, over the last 24 hours, demonstrating that he is not taking this seriously. >> so how speaker nancy pelosi did intervene to block two of the proposed five republicans from the january 6th commission. and the latter one described there by liz cheney is congressman jim banks. she says that he disqualified himself by his comments over the last 24 hours demonstrating he's not taking this seriously. jim banks really did put out a statement once he was named to this committee saying that this committee shouldn't actually focus on january six, it should investigate other protests, against police violence and stuff. he said the only reason the house was setting up this january six committee was to quote, malign conservatives. this cheney describing those comments as disqualifying, showing that he was not taking
the mission of this committee seriously. i think that is a fair observation. but the other guy who got himself objected to by nancy pelosi, jim jordan, she's describing him as something different. she is describing him as in her words a material witness to the events that the committee is going to be investigating. and that is not just a brighter goal shove at jim jordan, that is a real thing. and it comes from a real place. look at this. this is from political. on december 21st 2020, look at the headline, house republicans meet with trump to discuss overturning election results. and then there is the sub head there, trump loyalists are planning a last stand on january six, reporter melanie zanona from politico.com describing in that article a series of three long meetings that were held at the white house that day in december. she even got a quote from congressman mel brooks of alabama. brooks told her quote, it was a back and forth concerning the
planning and strategy for january the 6th. three hours of meetings with trump at the white house to plan what was going to happen on january six. quote, during monday's meeting at the white house, where lawmakers notch on a mid afternoon snack of meatballs and pigs in a blanket, trump talked with the members of over an hour of how january six would play out. among the republicans who met that day, in the planning in strategizing session, to decide what was going to happen on january six, this last stand to overturn the election with their actions that day, among the republicans there for the applauding meeting was jim jordan, the congressman from ohio. you're gonna put him on the commission investigating what led up to the events of january six? really? if you have a committee looking at the problem of organized crime and drug cartels, you think you can get all choppy to sit on that one, redirect all
capone. they do have familiarity with the subject. the january 6th commission is going to be looking at what happened on the day of january six and what caused it. where is a good place to start in terms of what caused it? where is a good place to start in terms of what led trump supporters to believe that trump had actually won the presidential election, and january six would be their chance to block it? where did they get that idea? to block it>> i think our big s with this. i don't know how you can never convince me that president trump didn't actually win this thing, based on all the things you see, the 11 million more votes. >> that was jim jordan after the election, i don't know how you can ever convince me that president trump did actually win this thing. based on all the things you see. he would make the same arguments on the house floor on january 6th. as part of his argument that the election results should not be accepted because trump won. >> americans instinctively know
there were something wrong with this election. during the campaign, vice president biden would get 50 people at the event, president trump at just one rally gets 50,000 people. have 11 million more votes in the ad in 2016, and they won 27 toss of races, but somehow the guy who never left his house wins the election? >> don't believe the results of the election, certified in all 50 states. believe your gut feeling. also believe who was better at infecting large crowds with covid. the instinct of the american people is that trump was robbed, so don't certify the election results. that was january 6th on the floor of the house. jim jordan making the case of the election must of been stolen, that it shouldn't be certified. jim jordan spoke at stop the steal rallies. he did media interviews arguing
that it was impossible that trump did not win, rattling data and statistics that improved that it was impossible that biden won. he literally plotted at the white house with the president about how january six would go. as they plotted to overthrow the election results and keep trump in power. and so yet, the republicans picked him to be on the commission investigating what happened on january 6th. it's like if you wanted to investigate the rise in bc and you appointed ten cheeseburgers as your contribution. oh, look at this. after january 6th, carol leonning and philip rucker report in their new book that white house senior staffers including trump's son-in-law, jared kushner, and national security adviser, also vice president pence is security adviser, all proposed to trump and i get that they have for
how the breach between president trump and vice pence could be repaired. how they could repair relationships within the president and vice president after trump had six his supporters on vice president pence and put pence is life in quite serious danger. this is from leonnig and rucker's book. quote, kellogg o'brien and kushner, brainstormed had to bring the president and vice president back together short of an apology which trump would never give. o'brien proposed having trouble word pence the presidential medal of freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor. the others like the idea. they thought the award could recognize pence is worked cheering the coronavirus task force, they knew it would be interpreted as a post insurrection peace treaty the three men thought that that could repair the relationship. n thought that tha coulcaroline and phil brook are going on to describe the senior members of the trump and pence administration who proposed supported, and indeed, worked on this idea. that trump would give pence the
presidential medal of freedom. fix things up between them. you may remember that never happened. you know who did get the presidential medal of freedom? jim jordan! why did jim jordan get it? his contributions to wrestling? no, after jordan helped with promoting the election was stored stolen lied, after jordan plotted with trump in the white house about what was happened on january 6th, after he was tried to stop the election results from being finalized, after the riot had been quelled, after he gave this argument about how trump must of one, he must of, you could just smell it. can't you feel it in your gut? after all of that, trump gave him the medal of freedom. he didn't give it to mike pence. and then two days later, jim jordan led the republicans in opposition as the house voted to impeach trump on over what
happened on january 6th. so that was a nice try by the republicans, no he's not gonna be on the committee. and mafia dons don't get to help get to the bottom of organized crime, and pyromaniac 's do not get jobs as firefighters either. nancy pelosi did not actually draw the line against republicans who voted against certifying the results election results. there was three of the five appointees of the mccarthy had put forward had voted against certifying the election results. but she did draw the line that jim jordan, and the other guy who said that the committee was a terrible thing and shouldn't look at january 6th. after nancy pelosi made that decision today, the republicans in the house decided that jim jordan could not be in the committee, if you can be on the committee, no one could be on the committee. so any of those five republican
appointees, they're actually will be a substantive inquiry into the january 6th attack and there will be an investigation on it without jim jordan, or anyone who was against the commission the first hearings will be tuesday today was busy, in washington, house and the senate heart of work. they had a party line vote on whether to debate a big infrastructure bill. all democrats voted in favor, all republicans were opposed, as usual. for some reason, this has led to a burst of optimism, we i don't know, i'll confess about feeling a little -- i feel as a political observer, i've had my chain yanked on this enough. and i'm able to observe
republican delay tactics closely enough that i'm assuming as long as republicans keep engaging with republicans, as long as democrats keep engaging with republicans in the senate at all it's never actually going to happen. we did get more movement today from the biden administration on the issue of the back afghan translators working with troops into enough ghana stan. they're thinking of mobilizing their own personnel to get a move on this. there is also the first formal notifications. talking about the first evacuation flights out of afghanistan. apparently scheduled now for next week. so some interesting movement on that story, we're gonna have more ahead on that in this hour. also, late today the justice department issued new rules affirming its strengthening. the bright lines that are exposed to -- we between the justice department and the white house. the rules are supposed to keep
the justice department law enforcement decisions independent from white house political pressure. after the trump administration sliced and diced, and pureed the whole idea of the justice department independence for four straight years. under the trump administration, not just the practice, but even the idea that the justice department emperor could operate independently of the presidents interest, that was attacked mercilessly by the former president. well today, merrick garland reissued, and tightened the rules, that limit contact between the justice department the white house. explicitly confining these contacts we so that we don't end up. again with something like what we found in the trump era where -- to drop others that he didn't. but along those lines, from our colleagues that cnn have had some oh reporting tonight.
when the story is a big deal. the arrest and indictment of the man who led the trump inaugural committee. longtime trump friend and pfizer, and fund-raiser, tom barrack who has now been indicted on seven felony accounts. he's in jail tonight as we speak in california, awaiting a bail hearing on friday. he has been charged as, for acting, as a foreign secret agent in this country. cnn is reporting tonight prosecutors that brought evidence, somehow they sat on those charges for a long time before yesterday's indictment. even though the indictment was apparently ready to go. who cnn sleep tonight, quote, federal prosecutors in brooklyn investigating tom barrack, a prominent ally to former president donald, trump for allegedly violating foreign lobbying laws had enough evidence to bring charges last, year but held off doing so
until the arrival of the new presidential administration. prosecutors wanted to move forward on the case and believed that they could obtain an indictment, one source familiar with the matter said. the source said the investigation was mostly done well before the time period when prosecutors are discouraged from advancing politically sensitive matters let's go to sources tell cnn that u.s. attorney in brooklyn at the time, richard donna goo, expressed misgivings about the case. it's unclear if he delayed the case outright or if prosecutors chose not to before it at the time knowing the u.s. attorney would not support. it a spokesman from the brooklyn u.s. attorney's office declined to comment. donahue, of course, after these decisions, subsequently promoted by the attorney general bill barr to become associated at the justice department. that is the job that is the operations officer for the deputy attorney general. it's a long title and has a lot
of diminutive objectives, but it's a big deal job at the justice department. but cnn is reporting here is that federal prosecutors had their case last year. they had enough to charge back last year. but this trump appointed u.s. attorney apparently wouldn't let the charges be brought. then, he was brought to washingtonand given a big promotion and made a scene of the leader named justice. only after a new president took over, and the trump appointees got out of there was the case able to go ahead. but reportedly, it's unchanged in character since the time they first put it together which is deaf just delayed, and for a long time. and will take a credit to cnn for this reporting tonight, will doing what we can to match. we'll take issue with one way they characterize the indictment yesterday against tom barrack and this is like characterization that other news organizations made, it's
not actually technically right. and i think it's technically incorrect in a way that it might be important to understand the significance of this case. a cnn put, a former prosecutors in brooklyn investigating tom barrack for allegedly violating foreign lobbying laws. it wasn't really a lobbying case. this case was brought against tom barrack specifically under the federal statute that as an alleged agent of a foreign power. it's closer to calling someone a spy then it is to calling them a lobbyist. this is the same section of the penal code under which maria kenow was charged. she was charged for acting as a secret foreign agent in our country. france barrack is charged for not only being a unregistered lobbyist, he is charged for acting in this country secretly under the direction of senior foreign officials for a foreign government. working as their agent as the direction of their government. secretly in a way designed to
change you as policy. and the charges laid against tom barrack is that he was able to do that in lots of ways. he was inconsequential agent, according to prosecutors. changing the behavior of u.s. presidents statements, and major orientations of the united states government to align with his handlers, and the government of this foreign country. in the government of the united arab emirates. so that's where we're gonna talk about next tonight. the combination of the consequential nation and seriousness of the charges against tom barrack. all the u.s. policy changes, indictment ties to this scheme. the combination of that and what's being reported tonight as the long delay in bringing the charges. because trump appointees would not let it happen. it has me thinking about this case not only from a criminal perspective in terms of the ultimate fate of it yet another person in trump's high orbit who ended up getting himself indicted on multiple fill in
the charges. it has me thinking about this from a counter intelligence and national security perspective to. if in this instance, and in others, foreign governments had their agents operating at the highest levels of the u.s. government, and when the u.s. justice department knew that they were told to sit on it and not move forward to stop it and indict the behavior, what was the damage done here? especially with the delaying process. i have just the person to ask and he will be surprised to see it. that's next. it that's next. experience our advance standards safety technology on a full line of vehicles. at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. get 1.9% apr financing on the 2021 rx 350.
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trump's inaugural committee was arrested yesterday unindicted on seven felony charges, he is charged with acting as a foreign agent. we now have word that trump appointees at the trump department may have blocked this indictment from going forward while trump was still in office, there's someone in particular that have been looking for to asking about the significance of this news.
he served over 20 years at the fbi as a top counter intelligent agent, he eventually rose to the rank of deputy assistant, that is the number to counter intelligence position in the fbi, it was in that role that he was assigned to lead the fbi's investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. since leaving government, he's written a book it's titled compromised, counter intelligence and the threat of donald j trump. the book recounts not only his time in law enforcement, and the russia investigation but also the agonizing process of having been relentlessly demonized and attacked for his role in the russia investigation. his name is peter strzok, and it is an honor to have him here tonight. mr. peter strzok, it's very -- it's an honor to have you here. >> it's great to be here, rachel. >> do you think there is a counter intelligence way to look at the tom barrack
indictment? is that part of the way that we should understand the significance of this case? >> it absolutely is. and let me frame it this way, if you look at the indictment in the april of 18th, one of the individual from the uae, one of the three who was indicted, he's interviewed by the fbi. about three days later according to the indictment he flees from his own house where he's been living goes overseas and never returns to the united states again. now he is intimately involved with not only mr. berke but also with a very high ranking individuals in the emerati government. the moment he returns it stands to reason that he is going to tell everybody he's been working with exactly what went on, but he was asked about with the fbi asked him, his relationship with mr. barrack, the white house. and everybody who matters that he's been working with at the uae knows what happened, now when they look at the united states and they see absolute silence they see no investigation they see no of
rest but they know that there is something going on there know that there is something very horribly politically damaging if it gets out, guess what? that gives the emerati leverage over not only bear, keep in mind, but all the folks he's been dealing with in the white house. guess what? communications are no longer anywhere in this world, just the two people talking, t's say the saudis were listening into the conversation, the qatari's were listening to the conversations, if the russians were listening in on the conversations, everybody is aware of what is going on, by virtue of that information, has leverage to be able to influence the actions of president trump, the people around him and certainly mr. barrack and those people who allegedly were involved in the scheme with him. so you can't think of this just as a law was broken, and are we going to prosecuted or not? you have to think much more broadly about the way that makes the united states vulnerable, the ways that make president trump vulnerable, and think then from that point of all the things we still don't know, because we haven't he had
done a thorough look at all the different things that were going on by the administration from counter intelligence perspective. >> well in this specific instance puts a real bull's-eye on this new reporting that tracks what we understand about the case, which is that this was ready to go. there was apparently a long delay, and the justice department wouldn't allow this indictment, the justice department would allow the indictment to go forward until biden was an office. if one of the things that you're describing there is that there is a blackmail risk, there's a coercion risk from every moment that passes from when that questioning happened in 2018 when the case is unknown life case about this foreign agent when actually charges are finally brought, all of that delay, at least some of that delay, it's on the justice department and it may have been politically motivated. that increase the counter intelligence risk, the national security risk to our country
and our government. >> without question. and it was part of a pattern of behavior by the past administration. you look at this, and don't look at it in isolation, think about the intelligence committee and whistleblower who had concerns about the quid pro quo conversation that trump had with the ukrainian president. that was something the doj looked at and said that this doesn't even merit investigation. but yet it was sufficient enough to impeach trump over. think about rudy giuliani in the search warrants that were served on him well in advance of this here, if media believes that the grand jury investigations are really picking up steam, those were actions that giuliani was having with people not only in the ukraine but in ukraine related to russia. time and time again, these various investigations which have a significant foreign nexus, which have a far nexus to hostile nations in some cases, and you have the justice of department with --
and every minute they do that is a myth that somebody in the administration is exposed to being vulnerable to exactly what you said, blackmail, or other sorts of coercion because they don't want this information getting, out because it is going to damage them politically. >> yeah, the solution to that is not just to say, forgive me, the solution is not just to say we're not gonna do that anymore at the justice department, those things were consequential decisions that have potentially ongoing national security implications and to just let that stuff ride when the justice department was and hand made to some of this harm, i find it very frustrating. thank you for talking with me about this. , i look forward to having you back soon. it's good to see you >> thank you, rachel. >> we've got to guess coming next and we're very excited to talk about. beto overwork and the reverend doctor william barber is there, you will want to hear what they will announce here in our program. that is next, stay with us.
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republicans gain control of the whole government in north carolina and they immediately passed one of the most restrictive voting laws in the country. in response the head of the north carolina naacp at the time the reverent dr. william barber started leading protests in north carolina they were called moral mondays and they started small, why every week these protests grew and grew, they turned out a remarkably broad coalition of people from all walks of life in north carolina, they started making national news, less than a year after the first moral monday protests, a moral march to the capital drew thousands of people. that was the largest riley's in the south since the selma rally 1965. the moral monday movement spread to other states, you could see its influence among other places in the social
justice protests that swept the country last year. this year though, the state that is currently trying to pass the nation's most restrictive voting law is texas. and as democratic texas state legislators continue to block the passage of that law by staying out of their home state. they've been remaining in d.c. to advocate for a national voting rights law, one of the most prominent faces leading the charge back home against the restrictive voting laws on texas has been better o'rourke, the former texas congressman and presidential candidate, who has become a full-time voting rights advocate, storming across the state of texas holding rallies and some things like 20 different cities, trying to build momentum from texas for a federal voting rights backstop. that will stop republicans from what they are doing in texas, and stop them from doing it across the country. will now, congressman o'rourke, is teaming up with moral monday's founder william barber, they are making a big announcement today about upping to game, to try to get
something done on voting rights. and what is already being called a summer of direct action to support the right to vote. joining us now are the reverend doctor william barber he's the president of repairs of the bridge, and the co-chair of the poor peoples campaign, also better or work from a democratic congressman from texas, the founder of powered by people, a grassroots organization working to mobilize texas voters. gentlemen, i'm honored to have you both, you are in the middle of tons of work, thank you both for being here. reverend barber, i would like to start with you, if you could just talk to us about what it is that you have planned, the announcement that you and congressman o'rourke have made today about what your next steps are? >> thank you so much, rachel. you know we won in north carolina, we took that mobilization, took it to the court and we beat the most voter suppression bills since jim crow. we announced today that we will have beginning in georgetown texas, on july the 37th in the
austin texas on july the 34th a moral reservation in georgetown, similar to the march from selma to mount glimmering. it is time to nationalize what is going on in texas, and in this march from -- four days of marching, we are demanding 14's, and of the filibuster, pass every provision of the for the people act which is the bill john lewis wrote, passed the voting rights act restoration and pass a 15 dollar an hour living ways, because we need to connect voting to economics and recognize that this is not just a black issue, this is not just jim crow. it is jim crow esquire. we're gonna walk with our feats, nationalize this and make a ride from texas, people of all races, creeds and colors, because it is time.
we have to demand these things and we can't have a little piece there, a little piece here and all this negotiation. we need for things, and the fifth thing we're gonna add to it is that we must protect our immigrants, particularly those students, and all of this is connected to the protection of voting rights. of this is connected to the procongressmank you about that basic idea of nationalizing the fight in texas as reverend barber just put, it you've obviously been straddling because -- the different parts of your political power, your political bases a national figure in the democratic party as attack sick. but going home to essentially burn state the state, while texas democrats are in washington trying to get help. tell me about that idea of nationalizing the texas fight. >> those texas legislators in d.c. have already begun the important work of doing that, providing that moral pressure and leverage on the u.s. senate and president biden, for that
matter, for the for the people act. that is the last vote hope -- for voting rights. in texas, georgia, and other states that have passed voter suppression and intimidation matters. but texas is the toughest state in which to vote and it's about to get harder with if these voter suppression bills passed. these are the front lines in this battle and that's why i am glad that this for the cape peoples campaign and -- voting is not just connected to our democracy. it's connected to the fact that texas still has a seven dollar and 25 cent minimum wage. it's connected to the fact that we are the least insured stay in the country where people still die of diabetes, and the flu, then and curable cancer is because they could not see a doctor. we voters who did not vote was not out of worship -- barbers effort in texas, the
marches he has organized, the people who are come out on the 31st on saturday in the capital of austin, we will unite and push the for the people act and get some democracy and texas and the rest of the country. >> reverend with, that me ask you the vision in terms of tactics, in terms of moving people. your history north carolina in particular but you're national reach it what you, did what you started in north carolina the coalition built their. i think reignited for a lot of people the idea that direct action works, the idea that when you run up against political power, concerted political power of special interests, that are standing against, you one of the ways around it is not just by building similar political power to compete within the formal electoral system. but putting boots on the string, putting people on the ground in a way that calls out to the
conscience of anybody who sees but they're doing. how do you see direct action working and what's feels like an impasse right now on this issue? >> well for direct action to work, first of all, it must be a moral fused to direct action. it cannot be something that you do one day. it has to be broad, deep, and needs to hold people. but then you need to have that legal stretch, and a legislative branch, and a way of framing issues in the moral form that allows people to see that connection. and then in the poor peoples campaign and the call for moral revival, they said, look, we have 13 million people -- 5 million people who don't make a living wage in texas. it requires 100 of work a week if you work 7:25 at a minimum wage. we need to find a way to bring all of those people together and make them understand that the same forces that promote systemic racism and push
poverty and ecological devastations, and the warren economy, and really religious nationalists, are all together. we need to be smart enough to come together. we need to stay, there in north carolina, we fought a court order for four years. but we also have to say, in this, moment states cannot do this by themselves. we need to have federal legislation. if we don't get this for the peoples act, then that means you are for the u.s. chamber of commerce over the united states constitution. you want dark money over good money. you want we -- isn't our opportunity for narrowing the opportunity for people to vote. and we can do it from state per state. we need federal legislation. we can't just get people to say let's get voting rights. that protects you after the fact or before the.
fat in order to deal with what's happening right now, we need to have for the peoples act. but when you mobilize, rachel, you need to connect the dots. and too often what happens as we get black people over there, white people over, their brown people over here, the teal people over there. and the is important sometimes. but in this moment, when we're talking about these kind of attacks on our democracy, we need to have a coming together, and that is what you are going to see. in fact, on the stage, on the 31st, the only people who are gonna speak are poor and low income people, moral leaders, and activists. that's who's gonna be talking to the nation then. >> reverend doctor william barber, president of the repairs and the breach of the people's own cain, and o'rourke, the founder of better the people. gentlemen, thank you for helping us understand what is going on tonight, i appreciate you both taking the time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> again, the march that they're announcing will be held
july 27th to july 30th. it starts in georgetown, texas it ends in austin, texas. they describe it in the selma gummer march. it's gonna be a 27 mile march they're gonna do this across for days. and then after that day, july for the 31st, a rally at the austin state capital in an effort to nationalize the voting rights test in texas will. be right back. be right back. (vo) the subaru crosstrek. dog tested. dog approved. today the website uce promoted
that the u.s. state department is staffing up to get afghan translators to get evacuated from afghanistan after they leave the country after 25 years of war. they're asking their employees for worldwide volunteers, volunteers work 12 hour shifts for logistical support. they also report today that the u.s. embassy in capital has sent the first notification
letters to the first group of afghan translators who are illegible to get flown out with their families. the administration said today that those first flights out of capital are going to start next week. this is happening. the next thing to watch next week is with -- army ranger jason crow, which would increase the number of these visas that are available to these translators. it would also reduce the bureaucratic hurdles to the approval of those visas, so that stuff can go even faster. but this is all happening now. it is now finally getting underway, we are gonna be on the story every day from here on out until they are out of there. watch this space. we we ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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tonight i will see you again tomorrow, which as you know, is friday eve. tomorrow's. now it's time for the last word. now wait a second, ali velshi is in for lawrence tonight, this is a surprise to me, good evening, ali. i was not going to believe my eyes until they gave me a split screen. >> it's good that you checked. happy thursday eve to you my friend, and perhaps we will see each other again tomorrow. >> indeed, thank you, ali. >> have a good night. tonight we begin with a lesson. i promise is not about french literature or particle physics, it's a lesson two years in the making and it should be a guide to democrats as they look to