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that's going to do it for us tonight. i will see you again tomorrow which, as you know, is friday eve. tomorrow is. now it's time for "the last word." now, wait a second. ali velshi is in for lawrence tonight? this is a surprise to me. good evening, ali. i was, like, not going to
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believe my eyes until they gave me a split screen, but there you are. sorry, my friend. >> happy thursday eve to you, my friend, and perhaps we'll see each other again tomorrow. >> indeed. thank you, ali. >> good night. tonight we begin with a lesson. i promise it's not about french literature or particle physics, it's a lesson two years in the making and it should be i guide to democrats as they work to find the truth about the capitol insurrection. volodymyr zelensky will meet with joe biden. at the time a common refrain from political pundits was that holding trump accountable would be electoral death.
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the democrats would give fuel to trump's base and hand him his re-election win on a silver platter. in that critical moment, democrats did the right thing, opening an impeachment inquiry and exposing the breadth of ukraine's scheme. trump was impeached for the first time, and congressman adam schiff made his case soon after for the senate to convict the former president. >> you can't trust this president to do the right thing, not for one minute, not for one election, not for the sake of our country. what are the odds if left in office that he will continue trying to cheat? i will tell you. 100%. >> trump, of course, was not convicted, and trump, of course, did it again. he tried to cheat after he lost. he spewed lies for months demanding fake audits, and incited the anger that led to the capitol insurrection and a second trump impeachment. today's announcement that president biden will meet with
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president zelensky is a win for democrats who wanted to impeach donald trump. it's ignoring the pundits and doing the right thing. the ukranian leader isn't meeting with a president who wants to undermine our democratic institutions, he'll be meeting with a president who wants to strengthen international relations and confront common enemies. democrats did the right thing and were rewarded for it. investigating trump did not hurt their electoral chances. neither did impeaching trump. now here's the lesson. democrats should take the same approach to investigating the capitol insurrection. house republican leader kevin mccarthy, a possible witness in the insurrection, wants to undermine the insurrection select committee. he picked underselected republicans who should have been picked for the committee, and then when they followed through and elected some of them, mccarthy took back all of his
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picks. the lesson, democrats should ignore that trash. this is about democracy. this is about a serious, thoughtful investigation of a serious domestic terror incident. kevin mccarthy doesn't win because speaker pelosi looks partisan. that's not how it works. the news media should know better than that and democrats must ignore anything that hearkens back to the doubters of the first impeachment investigation, the same people who were wrong then are wrong now, and it seems speaker pelosi for one might already know this lesson. >> joining us now is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he served as house impeachment manager of the second impeachment trial of donald trump. he also wrote "endgame: the
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impeachments of donald j. trump." . you and i had these discussions in realtime when it was happening back then and said it was political fraud to impeach donald trump, especially when there was not much chance he would be convicted, anyway. you as members of congress do what you are called upon to do and what the constitution dictates that you do or you don't. but it shouldn't be about whether it's politically fraught or politically advantageous. >> thank you, ali, and it was effective, right? we did not obtain a conviction in the senate, but by holding him accountable in the first impeachment, we were able to shine a light on this effort by having ukraine put dirt on joe biden, and we stopped it. ukraine was not ultimately able to run the campaign that donald trump was inviting them to run. so shining a light, although it did not remove donald trump, it prevented ukraine from doing that. i want to draw a distinction between what happened with
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ukraine when you had bogdonovich, fiona hill who stopped those contestors. they didn't have the gumption to come forward before the coup. they are vindicating themselves now in books, but had they not done that, perhaps we wouldn't have seen the capitol stormed as we did and democracy die as it nearly did on january 6. jim jordan, being ejects as a member of this committee, said this is impeachment number 3. what is your response to people who say this is impeachment 3? >> he's unserious. this is somebody who is holding the gas cans when the arson took place and now wants to be on the committee that investigates the
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arson. speaker pelosi recognizes that democracy is on life support and this is very binary. either you are the team trying to resurrect it or you are trying to pull the plug. jim banks wanted to pull the plug and we want to ensure every american that this will never happen again. >> i want to read to you an article by paul stodman, saying, efforts at a real examination of arguably the worst outbreak will not be done bipartisan. the less involved mccarthy is with this committee, the more likely it will be to undertake a genuine and comprehensive accounting. so walden and sargen are saying if serious work is to be done,
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it would be better if mccarthy wasn't putting together the team. >> that's exactly right. he had the opportunity to make a bipartisan commission that he walked away from. either you're trying to res -- resurrect democracy or trying to kill it. when people say, liz cheney, i don't know where she stands on abortion or taxes, i say give me a problem that democracy is around in three years that we can have that debate with her, but right now she is standing up for democracy, so we need her. same thing with adam kinzinger. yes, we need to move swiftly right now, and having jim jordan on the committee just for the sake of, quote, unquote, bipartisanship, i don't think that goes to saving the democracy. >> both jim jordan and banks says they're there to save conservatism. liz cheney made the point that there is no room for partisanship in this exploration. listen to what she said. >> there must be an investigation that is
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nonpartisan, that is sober, that is serious, that gets to the facts wherever they may lead, and at every opportunity a minority leader has attempted to prevent the american people from understanding what happened to block this investigation. this investigation must go forward. the idea that anybody would be playing politics with an attack on the united states capitol is despicable and is disgraceful. >> congressman, i want to show you a poll by cbs yougov, young americans. 72% say there's more to learn, and 59% of republicans say there is more to learn. this is the point liz cheney is making. i have people on my show telling me maybe it's antifa, maybe it's blm. great, you have yourself a commission, you can work it all out. >> we just learned yesterday that there was an active bea
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agent at the capitol. he was arrested. there is so much more to learn about who was involved that day. right now, what i think is so awful, ali, the capitol police and metropolitan police who fought in hand-to-hand combat for hours that day, they are seeing the republicans sympathize with the cop killers, vote against security assistance to make sure this doesn't happen again, vote against the gold medal being awarded to those officers, blaming police and suggesting that the fbi was behind it, and then today, the final insult, they just walk away and not be there next week when four officers will animate just how horrible that day was. >> congressman, good to talk to you, as always. thank you for joining us. eric swalwell, congressman from california, author of "endgame: inside the impeachment of donald j. trump." . after raising the debt ceiling three times during the previous administration without a hitch, mitch mcconnell opens the door to the debt limit again. limit
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today the entire republican senate caucus, including 11 republican negotiators working on the bipartisan infrastructure bill were being blocked on an infrastructure proposal. they were short the votes for the measure, but this was expected. all hope is not lost for a bipartisan agreement. before the vote the bipartisan voters made this statement, quote, we have made significant progress and are close to a final agreement. we will continue working hard to ensure we get this critical legislation right and are optimistic that we will finalize and be prepared to advance this historic bipartisan proposal in the coming days. mitch mcconnell is now making threats about the debt limit just days before the government's borrowing authority expires. quote, i can't imagine a single republican in this environment that we're in now, this
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free-for-all for taxes and spending to vote to raise the debt limit. they need to put it in the reconciliation bill. funny how that republican leader didn't share that same concern when a republican was in office or when he and his republican colleagues cut the corporate tax rate. joining is now is democratic senator chris van holland of maryland. you were, in fact, the member of the ranking committee during the time the taxes were cut and we had to do these things. explain this to me in a way that i'm having trouble, senator, explaining to my viewers. it's the same thing. if you cut revenue because you cut taxes on the wealthy or you spend money elsewhere, it's all the same thing. the debt ceiling is paying bills you've already incurred. >> reporter: that's right, ali, and mr. mcconnell is trying to have it both ways. this is a cynical and reckless statement he made today because, you know, when republicans were
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in charge in 2016 for president trump, they of course cut taxes for the rich. they increased the debt by $2 trillion, but then they proceeded to raise the debt ceiling when president trump asked them to. now that we have a democratic president in the white house, they're threatening to not support that, and, of course, that would jeopardize the whole faith and credit in the united states. that would totally bend the whole economy if the united states falls on its obligation. >> is it a game of chicken knowing that he doesn't want that to happen or that biden doesn't want that to happen and you all don't want that to happen? is he saying you need to get serious about making up the infrastructure bill differently? >> i don't know if it's about the infrastructure, i think he's just trying to wreak havoc during the time that president biden is in office. after all, it wasn't that long ago that mitch mcconnell said he's 100% focused on blocking
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initiatives from the biden administration. this just seems to be mitch mcconnell doing what he's always done, trying to obstruct, trying to disrupt. but here he's playing with real matches. i mean, if you were to actually not support raising the debt ceiling, you would wreck the u.s. economy, and even as you get close to that point, even if he were to pull the trigger on it, that can create lots of uncertainty and lots of damage in the economy. so i hope -- you know, i hope other republican senators will bring him in or at least themselves. >> this is something people usually play around with at the fringes. it's not usually the leader who is involved in it. let's talk about the infrastructure bill, the bipartisan bill that had a procedural vote today that did not succeed. many didn't expect it to succeed. a group of senators from both parties who were working on it seem to think this is not the end of the road for that.
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but where are we on this? there is pressure from progressives in the democratic party to not continue to scale back on the infrastructure deal, and there's pressure from conservatives in the republican party to not put more into that infrastructure deal than feels like what we all know to be infrastructure, i.e., roads, bridges, repairs, things like that. >> well, ali, i was disappointed that all republicans voted to block the motion to proceed just to delay the infrastructure bill, including those republicans who are part of the bipartisan group voted against it. on the other hand, they have issued that statement you quoted, saying that this is just a question of putting the final touches on this bipartisan proposal. so i hope that they complete it, but make no mistake, in addition to passing that, and i hope we get to that point, we're also going to pass the other parts of president biden's build back better act, which includes the
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infrastructure proposals he's made that are not part of the bipartisan plan and also include very important provisions in what he calls the early family plan, childhood education, making sure we have affordable child care, bringing down the price of prescription drugs is something we're focused on as democrats in the senate. we have to ask for a bipartisan bill, but also ask the framework of the budget resolution to do the rest of that legislation. >> it does seem that roll calls are reporting that senator bernie sanders is working on drafting the budget resresoluti. the budget chairman says the staff is working on the budget resolution despite not having reconciliation for each committee breaking down the spending top line top democrats agreed to last week. what's the status of this budget reconciliation bill. >> well, ali, i think we're going to get there. when i say we, i mean the 57 democrats. there is an understanding that
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as we move forward with the bipartisan bill, we have to do this other major piece of president biden's agenda. so we've got to get that framework done, then we can debate the pieces. i think of it as the budget resolution is the frame of the house, and then once you set that, you move about filling in the rooms and putting the furniture in. so the first step is to get that broad agreement, as you said, on the $3.5 trillion amount, which i should emphasize includes things like extending the child tax credit, right? this month we saw families begin to receive up to $300 per month in that cash credit. we don't want that to end at the end of this year, we want it to continue. we want medicare to cover foreign services like vision, dental, hearing, which is not covered by medicare. we want to reduce the cost of prescription drugs by giving medicare the power to negotiate drug prices. these are all important elements
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of the budget resolution framework that we're working on in the senate with the democratic caucus. >> in 2017, at a press conference with then-treasury secretary mnuchin, he said there is no way this will happen. now they want to put it in the budget reconciliation bill. can we just put it in the reconciliation bill that we will do it all? could that be done? >> it would be cumbersome doing it that way because democrats don't want the united states to default on its credit. we don't want to create a meltdown. as you explained, it's important that everybody understand raising the debt ceiling is to pay for the obligations the united states government has already undertaken, that are
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already owed. it would be like you saying you're not going to pay the mortgage on your house except for the united states and all its debts or it would crash the economy. we'll make sure we do everything we can to not default on that. mitch mcconnell, at least other republicans need to do the right thing here rather than threaten economic catastrophe if they don't somehow get their way. we're not going to negotiate with them on something that all of us need to be together. you don't get a republican priority in order to do the right thing for the entire time. >> senator chris van holland of maryland. president biden went to cincinnati. that's where the regional chamber of commerce are begging to fix the bridge that connects ohio to mcconnell's state. that's next. s
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president biden promotes the infrastructure to ohio which just happened to receive money for repairs. that's part of the infrastructure plan, saying the plan would provide more good-paying union jobs. the president was greeted at kentucky's international airport by kentucky governor andy beshear and his family because the cincinnati airport is literally in kentucky. cincinnati and mitch mcconnell's home state is connected by the bentzfield bridge over the ohio river. that bridge carries freight trucks between cincinnati and covington, kentucky every day, twice the original design capacity. the american transportation research institute listed the
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brents bridge corridor as the second highest amount of traffic in the united states. mayor cranley attended the president's arrival today. mayor, good to see you. >> it is good to see you. >> this is a plan that no republicans supported but many republicans have taken credit for or have touted in their neighborhood. do people who live in this area, because you really have a lot of the old-fashioned physical infrastructure that we're talking about, bridges, roads, transport, do they get it? do they know what they got out of the american rescue plan, and do they know what they could be getting out of the infrastructure plan -- bill? >> you know, look, we know that we got the ability for police and fire, public service employees who are members of our union, working, providing police and fire services. but the right wing republicans in columbus passed the biggest defund the police and fire bill ever just a couple weeks ago to
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defund radically the cities and townships and counties across the state. and so we've had to shore back up our police, fire and public services. but the american rescue plan was not an infrastructure bill, so that bentsford bridge you pointed to needs to be fixed. donald trump promised to fix it but of course he never did. president biden is trying to fix it, and i hope to god they pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> the president pointed out that this, among others, the infrastructure bill and the family plan, the two big things he's trying to do right now, are popular amongst americans out there, it just doesn't seem to have that degree of support in congress. how are people out there feeling about that? obviously they think about that bridge. that's where, they say, the rubber hits the road, right? the infrastructure you experience is the one you want fixed. >> donald trump held a press
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conference in front of that bridge and promised to fix it. he never even tried. joe biden and our two senators, the democrat sherrod brown have been architects of this plan. thank god with joe biden's leadership and vision, i hope to god we'll get this done and fix this bridge which should have been fixed a long time ago. it's joe biden getting us out of expensive foreign wars and proposing to spend money in middle america on projects like the bridge, broadband internet and clean water initiatives with lead pipes. this is what america needs, this is what ohio needs. they have defunded police and fire, and they didn't do anything to meaningfully get high-speed broadband internet during a remote economy, remote education, and thank god joe
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biden is trying to get that done for middle america. because republicans in congress haven't helped, and republicans who have run our state for 30 years have failed to lead on these structural issues. >> this is an important conversation for ohio, and it's also important because ohio is a state that votes republican, it votes democratic, a lot of dollars are going into republic republicans. in the end, there is overwhelming support for what you're talking about. >> just like fdr electrified the south, we need infrastructure. i know farmers throughout ohio who need it so their tractor equipment they have their life savings into will work, to analyze how much they will use but to save money and also runoff in our waterways. we need lead pipes to be replaced in all of our country,
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especially in the midwest where we have systems that are 100 years old. by the way, these are all good american jobs. and i'm so glad, it's so refreshing to have a president who doesn't just have a press conference like donald trump did in front of that bridge but is also proposing and working across the aisle to get this done. >> mayor john cranley of cincinnati, thank you for being here. coming up, there is a new report of the trump businesses that have fallen from the president of the united states to sore loser. that's next. lsore loser that's next. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance?
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the loser one-term past president is living on his conspiracies. authors of "i alone can fix it" told us about an interview with trump on march 31st in which he
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peddled self-serving lies about the election and january 6. tonight we've got tape of it. >> it was a loving crowd, too, by the way. there was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many, many people have told me that was a loving crowd. and, you know, it was too bad, it was too bad that they did that. >> it was too bad that they did that. trump predictively continues to lie after that. that's the current state of donald trump and the trump brand. it's been like that for a long time. even trump himself knows it. >> my life in terms of business and life and everything was the day before i announced i'm running for president, everything was good. the company was good, i was -- i had finished up a lot of jobs that were very successful. and then i said, i want to do this. >> a new report at the "washington post" looks at the
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current state of the trump organization. as four hotels closed, the trump merchandiser shrank. the company was hurt by the pandemic and by the indictments of the trump organization chief financial officer and two trump corporate entities. joining us now are two reporters who both won pulitzer prizes for investigations into trump's investments. investigative reporter and author of "the making of donald trump." good to see you both. david, let me start with you. you're both david. david k. johnson, let me start with you. the issue that trump said to a reporter earlier, it was in march when he was being asked about his business, and he said, everybody, the hiltons, everybody in the hotel business is suffering. donald trump's brand has suffered differently than other major brands have suffered. some of it has been pandemic related but a lot of it is just straight brand related. >> yes. well, he benefited because
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people were paying tribute to him. remember on his way to the white house after his inauguration, they took that two-minute turn on the street and it was in front of the trump hotel. it was a signal. you want to do business with this administration, you will pay tribute. nobody has a reason to pay tribute anymore, so he's suffering there along with the rest of the hotel business. >> david fairenhold, you write along with josh dossey and karen o'connell that trump and his younger brother eric, 37, eric, who lives in new york usually plays a more active role. trump jr. has moved to florida and become more involved in politics, and ivanka trump was a
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top executive at the trump organization before she joined her father in the white house. but she does not appear to have retain any formal role at the company. >> the part that's different here is the lack of allen weisselberg. allen weisselberg as cfo, his role was bigger than that. he was more of a chief operating officer. he made the company run for years but especially when trump sr. was in the white house. he was a guy that looked at every transaction down to the point of is my subsidiary paying too much for pens and office supplies. you take a guy like that out of the organization, yes, on paper you can replace him with don jr., but there is really nobody who is playing that kind of executor/ceo role within the company now. >> david k. johnson, i want to go further with the idea of who is not paying tribute to donald trump. in some not insignificant part, it's the republican party. according to reporting in the "washington post," the reason for the drop in revenues for trump, though, is really that trump isn't carrying the same appeal for his allies that he
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used to, it's that his own campaign committees aren't spending money anymore because he's not holding fundraisers at his properties or leasing office space at the campaigns. it also reinforces another reason that trump might be interested in running for president again in 2024, why not get thousands of people to bolster his bottom line. we know he's paying people to stay at his properties. this is the grift thing that you talked about. >> that's his source, is to ask people for money. the staffs who used to have to pay tribute to him, they don't have to do that anymore. so i don't see any good future for him here in his business. golf has long been a declining
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business, we know, because of the british records that his two big courses there, aberdeen and turnberry, have been losing money since day one. one thing he has to worry about, the good managers he has heading for the door for better opportunities elsewhere and trying to recruit new ones which involves the reputational risk of going to work for donald trump, plus, well, if he gets indicted or something else happens, your job can go away. >> i want to ask you that point about beggars, david farenhold. don jr. is eliciting the money. he says, guys, my dad is suing big tech, with three exclamation points. if you can click his link to donate to his pac to help out. it's becoming a little -- don jr. and his sort of appeals are becoming a little interesting.
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>> i think the one caveat you said earlier about the decline in political spending, we still haven't seen the numbers in trump's own pac. he says, i'm going to challenge elections. i don't see evidence he's actually spent that money on the things he promised to. but he could have been giving did to himself, he could have been paying it to his businesses. until we know the political chung that don jr.'s fundraising is for, we won't know that until the end of this. >> can he rebuild this company into something meaningful? it's a different place than it was before he ran. there are people who carried ivanka trump's brand. they don't do that anymore. there are buildings that carry donald trump's name that don't do that anymore. what will he become if he tries
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to make a go of it? >> he tarnished himself before he ran. he's really damaged his brand. as his legal bills mount, really good lawyers knowing donald's history are going to demand payment up front. he's going to be squeezed there, so it really is this reliance on donations, as david farenhold, who has done fantastic work, points out. we won't know what his fundraising is, but we do know what he raised so far promising the election. >> this is tricky, though. when donald trump's biggest business becomes raising money for and running elections. >> yeah, i think the business of the trump organization as it's currently constituted does not
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make any sense. why does he want to be selling his name in chicago or trying to get people to go to his hotel in las vegas? you could shrink this business down on capitalizing on his political base. keeping the properties he lives at and selling t-shirts. that's a business that could sustain itself. the problem is the businesses that warrant working, like the golf courses and the hotels, those are the ones that have huge loans on them. so to cast them off and focus on what is working is his issue for the next couple years. >> and talking about these businesses not doing well, particularly the hotel business, donald trump does say i'm very under-levered. it's hurting me but it's hurting everyone else as well. he's saying, what's it to me? i don't owe anybody any money. >> donald owes lots of money. he has due dates coming up on him where he has to come up with
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a refinancing. who is going to refinance anything on the trump organization while it is under indictment? i mean, maybe he can find a banker who will do it, but it would not be prudent for any bank to do that, and he has not personally been charged yet. if he gets personally charged, he's not going to be able to refinance anything. >> guys, thank you very much for your excellent reporting, david fahrenthold and david johnson. the republicans are pushing a fraud in support of trump's big lie. they are embarrassing themselves fighting the 2020 election results. that's next. lves fighting the 2020 election results. that's next. enjoy the cool, refreshing strawberry poppyseed salad. panera. order on the app today. - oh. - what's going on? - oh, darn! - let me help. lift and push and push! there... it's up there.
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say "show me the olympics in 4k" so you can watch in stunning 4k ultra hd. today texas democrats continued their week of virtual conferences on protecting the right to vote. meeting with civil rights activists, election officials and lawmakers including house democratic leader stanny hoyer and democratic caucus chair hakeem jeffries. back in texas, however,
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republicans have a different priority, relitigating the 2020 election. they are still doing that. texas republicans seeking an audit of the state's 3 largest counties most of which voted for skroe biden. trump won the state of texas so it's not really clear what republicans hope to achieve here. there have been no reports of widespread voter fraud. republican bris co cane even acknowledged that when texas state representative jessica gonzalez challenged him on it earlier this year. >> the secretary of state said this the 2020 election was free, fair, safe and secure. do you not agree with that, with what the secretary of state said? >> i think that that's her opinion, sure. >> are you saying that you disagree with the secretary of state's office is what i'm asking you. >> i think they're probably right in the adding up of it all
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of what they saw, they saw a free, fair and secure election. >> here's how the dallas morning news puts it. the push shows how despite no evidence of widespread fraud some republicans are still raising questions about the 2020 election results six months after biden took office. joining us now is that texas state representative. you're watching jessica gonzalez, vice chair of committee on elections and texas state representative julie johnson. good evening. thank you both for being here. representative gonzalez, you and i have had this conversation before in how this is a solution in search of a problem, but they jumped the shark on this one. the 13 counties they're investigating three of them, collin, dentin and montgomery county voted for trump in a state that donald trump won. are we now relitigating elections for the sake of it, or once you've glommed onto the big lie you can't get off that train, you've just got to keep on counting votes?
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>> yes. i mean from the very beginning during the regular session when it started in january i mean it became clear to me and many of my fellow colleagues in the texas house republican leadership would attempt to pass some sort of harmful voter suppression legislation. that was based on the big lie, that somehow donald trump actually won the election in 2020. and when we spoke up about it we were dismissed, we were disrespected. and they're not even denying their intention here anymore. texas republicans are pushing this narrative even further. also they can get an endorsement from the former disgraced president for their primary races. so this is all what it is. they're putting politics over the people. >> it's very strange, representative johnson, because the things that they are imposing, the things you have all left to prevent from being passed, again, are problems that were not problems in the election. so when we talk about 24-hour
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voting or drive-thru voting or prohibiting elections from proactively sending out absentee ballot applications to those who have not requested them, increasing criminal penalties for election workers who run afoul of regulations, none of these things actually happened in the election. >> exactly. there was no voter fraud in the state of texas. and the crazy thing is that the author of this bill is from montgomery county. and so he's basically wanting an audit of his own election that he won. and so it absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. this really is an attempt for them to try to justify filing these oppressive voter bills to keep democrats and to keep young people, to keep elderly people, to keep disabled people, to keep people of color, to keep busy moms with too big a schedule from voting. they're trying to slim the margins at the end to try to retain power, and these sort of tactics are what they're trying
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to do. they have not had public opinion in their election bill so they had to file this kind of stuff to justify what they're doing. >> vice president harris today met with poll workers and election officials about the threats they're facing and the challenges they're face. let's listen to a little of it. >> you're the people who make elections happen. we cannot -- we dare not take the work of poll workers for granted. and i think we do. but the work of poll workers unencumbered without intimidation, without threats should be a commitment that we all have not only to them who serve but to our democracy. >> representative gonzalez, we've all gone to polls and see who these poll workers are. they are the symbol of civil service. volunteers in some cases, paid in someicateses who are doing the work that allows our democracy to continue. in texas there are all sorts of
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things going on that would lead to the intimidation of the possible criminalization of and the removal of bipartisanship or nonpartisanship from some of these rolls. >> yes, and so one of it big problems with that is that it's already hard for us to find poll workers as it is. and so, you know, legislation that has in violation a criminal sanction to poll workers for simply denying access to a poll watcher and even if they had a problem with them in the past before, that is not enough. the way this bill is written is that it limits -- it gives untrained partisan poll watchers unfettered access to roam a polling location while also limiting the power of a poll worker to be able to protect, you know, the elections. so that's a very -- that's a slippery slope for us to go down. and, you know, the language of the bill makes it really hard
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for a poll worker to remove a disruptive poll watcher. for example, even just intimidating someone or standing too closely to someone, that is not enough to rise to the level to where a poll worker can remove a person from a polling location. and not to mention the fact that a person gets one freeability. they'd have to be warned before that before it could rise to that level. the law in the provision is clear the person has to violate -- it has to be the same violation under the code. so it's a really dangerous thing for texas to go down, a very dangerous path because people are -- when they're feeling intimidated they're just going to leave and they're not going to come back to vote. so that provision is very problematic. >> let's go down that road a little more because those of us who have not faced intimidation at the poll it seems obvious to say you can't intimidate me, i'm
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going to vote and cast my ballot and if somebody intimidates me i'm going to call police. that's not the history of this country. what texas is saying in some of his legislation is we're okay with some of that. >> that's exactly what they're saying. and what they're really trying to do is imagine the insurrectionists that stormed the capitol on january 6th ea lot of them were from texas. even one was a state representative from texas. and they want to send them down into especially minority neighborhoods where a lot of times we're trying to get new registered voters that might be first time voters to be able to stand over them and even possibly review their ballot and just be disruptive and just as if my colleague jessica was saying, you know, the election workers are very limed in order to get them out. so it's a huge problem. >> this is a big fight you're
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all having and continued success to you in fighting for americans voters rights. texas representatives jessica gonzalez, and julie johnson thank you for joining us tonight. and that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams begins now. well, good evening once again. day 183 of the biden administration. the house speaker and the republican leader in the house are now at war over the investigation into the 1/6 riot and trashing of the capitol after nancy pelosi took an unprecedented step and said no to two of the republicans that had been named to that committee. details on that significant development in just a moment. but there's new insight tonight into the former president's take on the violent efforts on january 6th. let's not forget to overturn the election he lost. newly released audio that comes to us from pulitzer prizewinning

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