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that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪ hi, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington as coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all on a disturbing upward trend across the country. the powerful delta variant is ripping through communities and cases of the fully vaccinated. covid is hitting the u.s. olympic team as another athlete, beach volleyball player taylor crab tests positive shortly after arriving in japan.
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former president trump's inaugural committee chair tom barrett in federal custody today come a seven-count indictment of acting and conspiring as agent of the united arab emirates without registering into the second year of the trump presidency. he was also charged with obstruction of justice and making false statements to the fbi, but first, our top story, the coronavirus. joining us now nbc's gabe gutierrez in manhattan and stephanie gosk covering the olympics in tokyo. gabe, you've seen the worst of this down south in the southern states for a good part of the year and across the country, as well. now there are local leaders from all parts of the nation including there in new york city taking action to stop the latest spike. >> reporter: yeah. that's right, andrea. mayor bill de blasio in new york city announced that all employees at city-run hospitals like the one behind me, bellevue, will be required to be
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vaccinated or they'll have to submit a weekly covid test that goes into effect august 2 understand according to the mayor this morning and that is because major cities are trying to get their handle on the highly transmissible delta variant. this comes just weeks after san francisco announced that it would mandate vaccines for all of its city employees there. as we look around the country, andrea, the cdc says 83% of new infections are related to the delta variant. the country right now is averaging more than a thousand new infections every hour and cases have skyrocketed 100%. in nine states, deaths have surged 80% or more and in southern states where we last were in louisiana only 36% of the population is fully vaccinated and the news this morning, andrea, is that new york city now announcing for the first time that all of its employees at its city-run hospitals and there are 11 of
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them will have to be fully vaccinated or submit to a covid test. right now only 58% of those employees are vaccinated. just to be clear, gabe, the number of hospitals and the hospitals that are city run compared to private hospitals in new york city? i'm sorry. i couldn't hear you very well because of the traffic noise. yes, there are 11 city-run hospitals here and it's 42,000 employees that this affects. so it's a sizeable chunk of people in new york and other municipalities and other cities across the country certainly looking at this and seeing how this plays out and i should point out, andrea and we were in jacksonville, florida. 40% of the employees at that hospital had not been vaccinated. so there's a sizeable chunk of employees, health care workers that are choosing not to get this vaccine and the mayor here in new york is trying to cut
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down on that. andrea? >> it's been a continuing problem and it is counterintuitive. stephanie, there are still fewer than 100 cases within the olympic will havage at this point. there is concern amonging a leets who don't want their dreams to end before competition starts. >> reporter: yeah. andrea, this latest story with taylor crab, the men's volleyball player, beach volleyball player, the problem is a positive covid test basically means the end of your olympic dream and that's what it means for him and his brother trevor who is also a beach volleyball player in los angeles spoke with our affiliate and said look, he's healthy and he wants to play, but the problem, of course is that covid spreads and you can't have someone who tested positive for covid out mingling with other athletes and his name is added with others from team usa who will not participate in these olympics and you mentioned that number,
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close to 80 now of tests, positive tests with people associated with these games. that's out of tens of thousands of people who are being tested every single day, and that means a positivity rate of well under .02%. so that is low. andrea? >> and that's low, and as the first lady, we should point out is in the air on her way to tokyo. the white house has said all along that there are no concerns about that and she will be representing the u.s. there seems to be a change of heart among conservative republican elected officials and fox news anchors about covid vaccines as a few house member asks anti-vaxxers are asking people to please take the shots. >> please take covid seriously. enough people have died and we don't need deaths and it make sense for many americans to get
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vaccinated. i believe in science and believe in the science of vaccinations. >> i've been vaccinated and it is safe, effective and widely available for anyone who wants to get it. >> well, that's something. joining us now associated press white house reporter jonathan lameier and a.b. stoddard and public health practice at the johns hopkins bloomberg school of health. >> let me start with what we heard just this week from sean hannity, steve scalise and the highest ranking house republican finally got his shot after seven months. so why the sudden change? >> well, andrea, i think it's a couple of things. first of all, i think there's just extraordinary concern about how contagious the delta variant is. we are seeing it right now as the white house puts it. it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated and where are those pockets of unvaccinated americans largely? red states, southern states,
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largely republican states and these are certainly elected officials and tv commentators saying, look, hey, you're our audience or constituents. we need you to get these shots to be okay and steve scalise is someone who has underlying health issues and he was shot a few years ago in a baseball field and it's somewhat surprising that it took him this long to get it. there was a photograph of him getting the injection far from donald trump who got the vaccination early this year, but behind closed doors and though he has started talking about it and encouraging his followers to get it, it's never been a full-throated endorsement. one republican who has been consistent about this is senate minority mitch mcconnell who has from the beginning preached for americans to get their vaccines and as far as conservative voices it's a mixed bag. it's a welcome that sean hannity said that and some on that network and right now, tucker carlson who has a number one show far more skeptical to get
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the vaccine. >> what about republican leaders having a greater responsibility for this? we still have not heard from the most important republican leader in the country still even though he's a former president and that's donald trump who single-handedly could have changed all of this back when he was president and not wearing a mask. >> right. he really had an incredible window during the transition period when the vaccine was coming online to push it and brand it as he loves to do as his vaccine, as a miracle and produced in record historic time, and i think the fact that he walked away from it is -- is really tragic in terms of the number of people losing their lives because they refused to take the vaccine, and he actually put out a statement that was quite dangerous a few days ago saying that people are afraid to take the vaccine because they don't trust the government and the biden administration because they know the election was rigged. combining the big lie with
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vaccine conspiracy theory. he's actually doing the reverse now and it's really of a piece with the republicans you see pushing back. they're concerned about the messaging and the fact that the numbers on the ground are very well aware of the statement that they made a few days ago. primarily for biden it's concerning that everyday when he was inaugurated they were getting better and you get the credit and you get the blame, and i think whatever they're doing behind the scenes might be bearing fruit, but they also need to make a very public push, get the country music stars there to the white house every week if they have to, but they'll have to have a bigger perk r education campaign going forward that reaches those audiences they haven't been able to reach. >> and donald trump would be a big help. he's still pushing
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hydroxychloroquine last week. you can see the frustration when dr. fauci reacted to rand paul finally. i want to keep you away from the politics, but there are 100 million people in the country who are not vaccinated and don't have high levels of antibodies and are they putting themselves and the rest of the population at risk because of the way the delta variant is spreading and aren't they likely to get sick? >> well, that's absolutely true. there's some heartbreaking stories from doctors on the front lines where people who are struggling to breathe because of covid and turning to doctors and say now i'll take the vaccine and the doctors are saying it's too late and they're to prevent you from getting sick in the first place and it is too late for those people. it is so important for people to get vaccinated even with the delta variant given how effective the vaccines are. >> dr. scharfstein, i want to ask you about a j & j study and it still needs to be per
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reviewed, but that vaccine is less effective against these variants. does that raise concerns that some who got the j&j, need to get a booster of the rmna. >> it does raise those questions. i hear questions from a lot of people asking questions and it's understandable. the studies that have been done so far have focused on the antibody levels and whether the antibodies work in a lab. what we really need are clinical data which show what is happening to people who have been vaccinated with johnson & johnson. we are getting reports like the new york yankees that people are more likely to get sick in that little group, but a bigger study of what actually is happening is the most convincing and will probably be to national recommendations. >> dr. scharfstein, thank you so much, and a.b. and jonathan lemeier and foreign agent, the man who planned former president
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trump's inauguration charged with obstruction of justice and lying and belonging to the united arab emirates. how much did he influence the trump administration and the middle east? this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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when a former president trump's closest advisers is in jail today accused of being a foreign agent without
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registering. tom barrack was charged tuesday with violating foreign lobbying laws, obstructing justice and lying to federal law enforcement agents. the seven-count indictment accuses the businessman and longtime trump friend and two others of, quote, acting and conspireing to act as agents of the united arab emirates between april 2016 and april 2018 without registering with the u.s. government. a spokesperson for barrack denies the charges saying mr. barrack has made himself voluntarily available to the investigators from the outset. he is not guilty and will be pleading not guilty. joining me is pete williams, matt miller, former spokesperson for attorney general eric holder at the justice department and robert gibbs from the obama administration. welcome all. pete, first of all, the prosecutors say they have a great deal of documentation against barrack. there is a lot of email traffic including emails congratulating him for getting into a speech
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with president trump and beneficial to the uae. how will this impact the case? it certainly helps make the case of what he did. the jury will have to decide whether that amounts to a crime. there is a charge here that says it's a crime to lobby the u.s. government on behalf of a foreign government without notifying the justice department. that's what the government said he did. his side is saying no, no. he was just being a intermediary and there's no suggestion that he was ever paid for any of this, but for example, prosecutors say that he arranged meetings with the uae officials, he promoted the uae in his own media appearances and that counts as lobbying, as well. the charges say he was in constant touch with a businessman in the emirates close to uae officials and barrack even met with some of them in 2016 after trump was
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elected president and suggested that they give him a wish list of their foreign policy goals that they'd like the u.s. to adopt and he'd push those to the trump administration using his insider access such as role as chair of the inaugural fund in 2018 and this is all violating that federal statute. >> matt, prosecutors are alleging that barrack used his friendship and access to donald trump to get language inserted into the energy speech. let's listen to a clip with that. >> we will work with our gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy. we'll work with them because we have to knock out terrorism. >> so, matt, trump also sided with the uae and with saudi allies on a number of things. that was his first big visit and first overseas visit that was improbable and no other
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president his gone to saudi arabia before they go to canada or mexico. so what does this all amount to? >> i think it's an incredible indictment for a couple of reasons. number one, if you take yourself back to 2016 and 2017 and all of the people surrounding donald trump, barrack was supposed to be the respectable one and you had manafort who had obvious criminal exposure at the time and other people like steve bannon who were ideologues who had their exposure and barrack gave his endorsement as one businessman to another at the 2016 convention, and it turns out he was engaged at least in some of the same types of alleged criminality as so many of the other people in those trump circles. i think the other thing that's incredible about the indictment is how pervasive his actions were, getting stuff inserted into the speech and that you refer to, andrea, is the
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significant foreign policy successes the uae was able to win in the first couple of years of the trump administration over the objects of the secretary of state rex tillerson who wanted to intervene in this dispute between saudi arabia and the uae on one hand and qatar on the other. the white house seemed to tacitly take the side of the uae and saudi arabia and we didn't know why. they were taking place unregistered both by mr. barrack and others in the white house circle. george nader who went to jail for an unrelated crime. and you start to get the fuller picture of why the white house was acting in this very strange way that it was back in those first two years. >> and to robert gibbs, the trump inaugural committee raised a record $107 million. there are a lot of questions about what the president then knew about it or about that spending. there have been issues -- legal
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issues raised by the d.a. right here in the district of columbia about the spending and how it was accounted for. >> yeah. if i was the trump family, what probably keeps them up at night is the concentric circles of this investigation and where they could lead in other investigations and you're right, andrea. you mentioned the d.c. attorney general looking into the inaugural committee already having sought testimony or gained testimony from ivanka trump, from donald trump jr. and barack's own senior adviser at the inaugural has alleged some nefarious activities that enrich the family and that donald trump and the former first lady knew about those activities. so again, to me it's not just what's in this indictment, but where this indictment and the investigation ultimately lead out in other places. >> and of course, there were always questions about the
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investments of the trump organization in those countries in saudi arabia and other interests, as well. >> on a separate subject, you have new reporting on the uk man who was arrested for hacking the twitter account of joe biden and barack obama in july 2020. what can you tell us about that? >> so this got a lot of attention and it was about a year ago when the account of joe biden, elon musk, kanye west, kim kardashian and all were hacked and these were accounts that were taken over and a message that appeared i'm going to give some charity money here to a bitcoin account, why don't you give, too. it appeared they were endorsing giving and about $100,000 at least was given and this was all of the hacking work, of, it turns out, the u.s. says a 22-year-old uk man named joseph o'connor who was arrested today in spain on a u.s. warrant. the government says that he's
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the one who did this and he did it just to try to get the money, but it was very disruptive because twitter had to shut down those actual accounts and then twitter discovered whoever was doing this had actually gotten somehow inside its system and couldn't get to any accounts. so in july 2020 all twitter was closed until we can fix this. >> wow. they managed to track him down or this is the allegation. >> all, but one and those were president trump's. >> pete williams, matt miller, and thank you all for helping us out today. their ticket out. afghans, a total of 2500 people, being evacuated to a base in virginia amid taliban threat against their lives.
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next hour, defense secretary lloyd austin and joint chiefs chairman mark milley will be briefing reporters as 2500 afghans facing retaliation from the taliban for working with u.s. troops will soon settle into their new temporary homes. the biden administration will house 700 interpreters and 1800 of their family members at the fort lee military base in virginia as they await the processing of their special immigrant visa applications which have been long held up, but for the other 18,000 interpreters seeking special visas for themselves and their families their future is far less certain. with rapid advancements adding increased urgency to get them to safety soon. joining us now is virginia democratic congresswoman and former cia officer, i stand corrected abigail stenberger. there was a standoff when they
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were not in and working on it, recently that's been resolved and more people are coming to do it, but these people are in imminent danger and how quickly can you get this legislation through? you do have bipartisan support. >> that's right. tomorrow we'll be voting on a bill to make sure that we can bring far more afghan interpreters out of harm's way and recognize this tremendous sacrifice that they and their families have made in their devotion to and support of u.s. military operations. i think for all of your viewers it's just so important to know that these individuals fought side by side and were standing next to our service members in precarious and dangerous circumstances. they use their language skills and cultural understanding to keep our service members safe and to save lives, and that is why we must be bound by a real obligation given the sacrifices that they've made to protect them because they've protected
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so many americans in the field of battle. >> and with the taliban advancing so quickly and more quickly than the military had, in fact, expected, the taliban negotiators are meeting in doha and none of those meetings have done very much to protect people who are vulnerable and no progress have come out of those talks so far and even for the women, the women who have gone to schools and put their own lives in danger as they go home to their villages? >> the significance of the legislation that will be passing tomorrow is that it is wholly bipartisan. there is a broad and significant understanding of the need to protect the interpreters and their families, those who supported u.s. military operations who recognize the commitment that they showed our service members in afghanistan, and you know, notably, i am so passionate about this issue not just because i have a background in national security during my time with cia, but because for the past couple of years i've
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been hearing about this issue from the service members and the veterans i represent, particularly vietnam veterans who first raised the issue of special immigrant visas with me because they recognize that when we left the conflict in vietnam we didn't keep all of the promises that we made and they certainly wanted to see the next generation of interpreters and those who have given such support to the military operations to receive the support and protection that they, in fact, deserve and certainly have earned. >> now i just want to bring this to you. this has just happened and so with apologies that you may not have any ideas about this. apparently speaker pelosi is objecting to congressman banks and jordan serving on the special committee, the january 6th committee. they're supposed to start their first hearing next tuesday. both of them, of course, oppose
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the electoral college count and voted against, you know, impeaching the president, et cetera. so where do you stand on that, if i may ask you and put you on the spot. >> no, happy to be on the spot when it comes to such an important issue. i was in the house chamber on january 6th. i was there as we pulled out our gas mask to cover our chairs as capitol police officers bravely and quickly barricaded up the doors trying to protect members of congress and members of the press who were trapped in that place. i have been a supporter as of so many of my democratic colleagues and many republicans from january 6th. this has to be set up to be a serious endeavor. our capitol was attacked on january 6th by insurrectionists who tried to stop us from doing
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our duty in certifying an election, and i think it is absolutely important that every single person who serves on that commission be they a democrat or a republican come to that commission as an american first, as a person with fidelity and focus on the constitutional duty that is ours, that we swore when we were sworn in just days before the attack on the capitol, and so i think it is important that only members who recognize the real threat that we were under who were willing to perhaps contend with the political pressures that they see from the former president and only those who are willing to speak truth and seek truth should be on that commission. anyone who intends to turn it into a circus has no place on that commission, and i think any additional colleagues be they democrats or republicans will have the same focus that they
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see certainly from the democratic members who have been added from congresswoman cheney and from the other members who have not received the objections of the speaker. >> and before i let you go, congresswoman, thanks for your patience with us. what have the other three members of the gop walk out and no other members agree to join? that would make it a solely democratic effort. >> well, we have congresswoman cheney who until her -- until her recent ejection from leadership within the house republican conference was the third highest ranking member of republican leadership. she is a strong conservative republican. i don't think anyone doubts her bona fides, and the house republican leadership she's taken was the decision to tell the truth and to tell the truth faithfully in a focused way and without equivocation. so this will be a bipartisan
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commission because there are at least some strong, principled republicans who are willing to speak truth to power and who are willing to stand up for what is right. hopefully it will be more than just congresswoman cheney among those ranks, but in any case, the members appointed to this commission they are serving as americans first and they are committed to and they must be committed to telling the truth of what happened on that day, but importantly what made us vulnerable to get there because what we see across history is when there are attacks on governments like this, when there are coup attempts, when there are insurrections and when there are efforts when they overthrow the democratic process, it doesn't happen just once and my background as you mentioned earlier is a former cia officer. so i believe firsthand and i believe it is so vitally important that we must truly recognize what made us vulnerable to the effects of and
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the attack on january 6th so that we can ensure that into the future we will never see anything that imperils our democracy ever again. our democracy was saved that day because of the strength and the bravery of capitol police officer, of metropolitan d.c. police officers. i am forever grateful to them for their bravery and for ensuring that we could come back and safely do our constitutional duty and certify the election. and this committee, regardless of how many additional members serve on it is focused on that, and frankly, if others choose to walk away from the duty of telling the truth of invest 28ing what happened, then that's their decision and that has to sit with them and their conscience, but i believe every member of congress should have the obligation, should feel the obligation to get to the bottom of what happened on that day and what put our democracy in that perilous place that allowed for
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other americans to attack our police officers and to attack our building and to put people in american flags and to put more than 140 plaintiffed in injured status and some going to the hospital and resulting in deaths and my hope is that the other members who were appointed to the commission or the committee will do their duty and will seek to find the truth and will help ensure that we're protecting our democracy into the future. >> congresswoman abigail spanberger, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. joining me now is nbc's congressional correspondent garrett haake. garrett this is a stunning decision by the speaker. the hearing is tuesday, as you well know and we were talking to congresswoman span berger and others may not want to play. >> kevin mccarthy may say, as he's been saying that this is a political exercise and nancy pelosi just proved it by
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rejecting members of committee and one of them is a member to have a prominent conference and one of whom is a member on other committees. you've had democrats reaching across the aisle to kick marjorie taylor-greene off her committees and that was the kind of thing that infuriated republicans on a lesser scale and now you will hear republicans say, this is a political exercise and you're not trying to be bipartisan and democratss will push back, but if republicans choose not to participate in this. if your goal from the outset that everyone will view as trustworth, not having republicans appointed by the republican leader on this committee doesn't help you get there. using liz cheney to provide a sheen of bipartisanship will cut it with house republicans or with those that support them across the country who might be at least curious to see what this committee might turn up. >> and troy is a member of the
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committee and he was also opposed to the biden electoral count. >> the speaker's office said this week that they were going to use whether or not you voted or how you voted on the certification of the election results as a criteria to determine whether people would be allowed in this committee, and the statement from pelosi's office it's not clear why exactly why she's rejecting banks and jordan only complaints and concerns of these two members and the idea that these are unprecedented times and so unprecedented steps have to be taken. >> she says, in part of her statement, with respect for the integrity of the investigation and with an insistence on the truth and with concerns about statements made and actions taken by these members which makes it particularly by them, i must reject the recommendations of representatives banks and jordan to the committee. she is singling them out and we'll wait and see, garrett and waiting to hear what she has to see and all eyes are on
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6th committee. what's your reaction to that? >> well, just hearing it now for the first time i cannot give a ton of advice to nancy pelosi in terms of how she chooses to run the house of representatives, but she's committed to having a serious investigation. this is not supposed to be some partisan sideshow given the fact that both republicans and democrats across the country deeply care about making sure that ye never, ever again have that kind of breach of the united states capitol with the goal to interrupt democracy and suspend the counting of votes. so i'll be interested to learn more about it, but it's completely within the speaker's purview to make sure the members of that investigatory committee are focused on a real investigation rather than partisan sideshowing. >> of course, this will only give the republicans at least a claim that it is a partisan
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sideshow, but we'll leave that to the house members. everything has undermined the credibility of this panel which she'd argued should be an independent commission. you'll have to vote on that. doug schumer calling the vote today and those who support the infrastructure bipartisan bill are likely to vote against it saying that they want to see a real move first. it's too soon. the majority leader trying to put some pressure on them to come up with compromises. what is your prognosis of whether his play will work or if it will make it even harder to get the bipartisan deal to get the bigger deal under reconciliation. >> i think it's important to sort of understand first how the senate works and you know this, andrea, but it can take a very long time to get a bill from introduction on the floor of the senate to completion. it can take weeks in every single senator uses all of the rights at their disposal. and so what we were seeking today, what we are seeking today is a vote to just start
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consideration of this bill. it isn't the final vote. it isn't even the second to final vote. republicans will have plenty of opportunities later this week and next week to stop the passage if they so chose, but in order to get this done by next week, we wanted to begin that process now. the difference between the bipartisan $500 million, and it doesn't seem to be much of an inconvenience to allow the senate to begin its business. the issue is there are many republicans whose goal is delayed and whose goal is obstruction. many in the senate republican caucus don't want this senate bipartisan bill to pass. right now it seems that they're wing the argument. >> and i want to talk to you about the war powers act repealing the 1973 act which has been so controversial since, but the larger bill is a bipartisan
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bill and you're talking about changing the powers act and giving more control over arms sales. we knew the widespread objects and bipartisan to the saudi arms sale which president trump pushed through those objections. how likely is it that you can get this done and why do you think it is so important? >> this is a sweeping proposal. senator lee, republican senator sanders and myself have introduced a bill re-writing the national security powers of both congress and the executive branch to shift more power to the legislative branch. i've just seen this country get into too many wars in my lifetime. they weren't debated by the american public starting with the vietnam war, maybe before my time, but up until and into including the war in yemen that killed hundreds of thousands that never had a vote in congress despite potentially billions of u.s. dollars in that
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engagement. my constituents get a say, and we would be much more careful about committing our troops overseas if the congress had to vote every time. i think it's unlikely that the entire proposal that we've introduced gets passed into law and i think there is a growing feeling on both sides of the aisle that congress needs to have more say on arms sales and we just had news within the last 24 hours that the emirates and the uae were secretly funding members of the ump from administration. we were selling arms that were secretly funding politicians here at home. our bill would make sure that that debate occurs. >> now you just referenced tom barrack's indictment on seven felony counts for not registering as an agent and also lying about it to the fbi, obstruction of justice.
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the former head of the ayn aug inaugural committee and a longtime friend of the president's, very closely allied with the first family. we were all wondering why saudi arabia? why those policies back when the president was first elected. why was that his first trip? some of this may become clearer in this prosecution. >> so it was very curious that the president chose of all places, to go to saudi arabia first. it was also very strange that when there was this rift between saudi arabia, the emiratis and the country of qatar early in the president's term the president didn't try to solve that riff. instead he took steps to exacerbate it. we now know that his friend, mr. barack was being paid by the emiratis and one of their asks was to keep the united states out of that rift between the gulf countries.
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this is -- this strikes a blow at the heart of democracy, the idea that a foreign country could be secretly paying a close friend of the president and the public and potentially not even the president know the nature of that financial arrangement. i hope he goes to jail for a long time, but i also hope they ask some questions to the emiratis. didn't they tell him he should get with compliance with the law? i think that there are a lot of unanswered questions right now. across the globe in china, rescue efforts are under way after record breaking rains
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where at least 25 people died, hundreds pulled from raging waters. more trying to be rescued on the subway tunnel, inundated by a flood that killed 12, forcing rescue of mor than 500 trapped underground. joining me, pulitzer prize winning biographer john meacham, and jonathan capehart. in the new podcast, hope through history, you dive into pivotal moments that helped shape the nation from bloody sunday and voting rights act to the emergency plan for aids relief. we're living history now with climate. do you think looking forward, will the history books say this is a moment we're in. unquestionably. as al gore says, when you watch the news today, it is like the book of exodus.
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you have manifestations of crisis. the reason we use it the way we use it, it comes from the greek, from -- where a patient lived or died, that was a crisis point. it is a genuine inflection point. there are proposals on the table. i do think that when you play this out about what will people say 50 years from now, 100 years from now. i don't think there's any question that the less tud will be something that will be held against us for a long, long, long time to come. >> jonathan, some of the highest level cabinet members were corporate leaders in the fossil
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fuel industry, andrew wheeler, ex-coal lobbyist. how is president biden changing that dramatically. >> they're not putting their olds friends from those industries. jon mentioned the hippocratic oath, do no harm. by those from donald trump, to the united states' ability to do something about climate change, and i think what the biden administration is trying to do now, and there are republicans and democrats on the hill that take climate change seriously, that they're trying to get their hands around, particularly in
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the infrastructure package, come up with funding to fund the ideas and plans that will make it possible for not just the united states certainly but for us to be part of the global solution to fight climate change. i believe it was just a week or so ago i was on vacation, i remember seeing reports of flash flooding happening in new york city. we're seeing flash flooding, we're seeing the wildfires that are burning out in the best, but they're having impact here by clouding up our skies, smogging up our air. we have to get a handle on this, otherwise we're all going to be looking for seats on the branson rocket, the bezos rocket, the musk rocket up for another place habitable for human life. >> and jon, republicans were the
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leaders on climate. these great leaders from the '70s created the epa. how it got to be so partisan, particularly the last four years. >> it is the role of economics largely and then the economic motives on the part of the carbon based industries as with so many things you talk about in terms of election lies and almost everything else. an economic motive created the conditions for a cultural reaction and i think that explained, helps explain why there's so much denial, you see it with the vaccines, right? science addresses a problem, they come up with a solution, and large chunk of the population chooses not to accept that science or that solution.
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and the -- i think the partisan frame again, if anybody is around to write about this and talk about it, which might not be, but if they are, think of how pickyune and petty it will seem that it was about control of the u.s. house for a two-year period at some point or a state legislature. i think this is a moral crisis. if i were in power, i would try to find tangible solutions that you could do every day and frame it as a moral crisis because this is something that could unite religious believers on the right and left. >> john meacham, jonathan capehart, thanks to you both. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we are proud to introduce the newest member of the team, rose,
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