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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. i'm ali velshi in for nicolle wallace. as democratic lawmakers in washington are taking their fight against the republican-led assault on voting rights national. for the first time in 20 years the senate rules committee is conducting a field hearing in atlanta, georgia. the state now home to one of the nation's most restrictive new
voting laws, one described by "the new york times" as, quote, a breathtaking assertion of partisan power. voting law has shared the spotlight with a bill on the floor of the state legislature in texas which texas democratic representatives left the state to block from being passed. georgia's law, which has already been enacted, is in more ways more restrictive. today a group of senate democrats called leaders and georgia voters as witnesses to the oppression the law has inflicted on that state. a hearing kicked off with impassioned remarks from georgia senator raphael warnock. >> over the last year georgia has become ground zero for the sweeping voter suppression efforts we've seen gain momentum all across our country. we saw groundbreaking -- we saw record breaking voter turnout in our last elections.
what we did in georgia this last election in terms of turnout should have been celebrated by everyone. regardless of political party. but, instead, it was attacked by craven politicians who are more committed to the maintenance of their own power than they are to the strengthening of our democracy. to put it plainly we're only able to work on these issues because someone voted to send us to washington and woe on us. shame on us. if the people accepted us to washington to stand up for them and we won't stand up for their voices in their own democracy. >> now this morning senator amy klobuchar, who chairs the committee taking the extraordinary steps to hold this field hearing today stressed the urgency in an interview with our
garrett haake taking aim at the lies and disinformation. >> i think the republicans know what's going on here but there's a figure out there and his name is donald trump. and he has basically continued to perpetuate a lie that somehow he won the last election. everyone knows that's not true that looks at this and all the local election officials, democrats and republicans, know that's not true. that's why i believe this is an even bigger deal than just party versus party. this is a quest to save our democracy because once you start disenfranchising people, people lose faith. >> this is literally a threat to our democracy. that's the kind of passion that we're increasingly hearing from democrats who frame the threat to voting rights as an existential threat to democracy itself. but their conviction is being confronted with the reality in washington that without complete unity inside the democratic
party that protecting the right to vote is worth pulling out all the stops to pass federal legislation which would require changes to the filibuster, progress on voting rights remains elusive. democrats are making headlines on voting rights but little more, quote, democrats have produced the biggest headlines recently on the charged issue of voting rights. what they've yet to produce is an effective strategy to counsellor act the work republican state legislators are doing to limit access and inject partisanship into the election process. more and more for democrats it looks like a long battle ahead. there is nothing now to suggest real progress at the national level or even a path to be followed short of filibuster reform, end quote. and that is where we begin today. joining us now "washington post" white house bureau chief ashley parker, an msnbc political analyst. also, olivia troy, former top aide to vice president mike pence, and now the director of
the republican accountability project. pennsylvania state recommend tiff representative malcolm kenyata. let's start with you, garrett, that criticism that there isn't a strategy. senator klobuchar basically told you this is part of the strategy, gathering the evidence necessary to convince everybody that we've got to do something on voting rights. >> yeah, that's right. i think dan hits the nail on the head because legislatively democrats have not been able to find the key to unlock this door. this is not an issue like infrastructure where both parties see the need to get to some place in the middle but they have different ideas how to get there. there were no republicans who traveled here to georgia today to participate in this field hearing. one of the members of the rules committee on the republican side, mitch mcconnell, just a few minutes ago on the senate floor, was lambasting this whole
effort as hyperbole. he's been calling it a stunt. and so the two parties could not be farther apart, which leaves you in a legislative perspective with really only one option, and that is to try to change the rules, if you're the democrats, to pass something on a national level, part of what senator klobuchar and her colleagues were hoping to do today was to create evidence, to create information that could come back and present to colleagues and say, look, this is how bad the problem is and these are all of the other things we have tried to address it. and you are seeing them be creative, by having this field hearing in the first place, senator klobuchar is talking about some ideas to insert some election protection related provisions into the big reconciliation bill, perhaps a way to incentivize states to pass something that could create -- at least create a floor for state level voting protections. they are trying to think outside the box here because the reality
is at a 50 vote majority, they have reached essentially the limits of what they can accomplish right now. >> one of the ways of creating evidence is to sort of put flesh on the bones, to establish facts on the ground, and in order to do that they listen to georgia voters. one was a man named jose sigara describing the efforts to which he had to go to in order to vote. let's play a little of that. >> voting is sacred to me. i see the voting process as one that should be as easy as possible for all eligible voters, and i feel like voting rules should be everything but in no way to restrict people's freedom to vote. this past year i had to go to extraordinary lengths to accomplish the simple but consequential task of casting my ballot. i, along with thousands of
georgians, had to wait for hours in order to cast my vote. in fact, i had to go to the polls twice in order to vote. >> and this is key to it, garrett, the degree to which people had to wait in lines, the laws put into place that remove easier ways to vote whether it's in texas or in georgia, removing ballot boxes, limiting the number of places you can vote, and forbidding organizers from being able to provide for those people who are standing this line for hours. it's not taking away the right to vote as it is making it very, very difficult and discouraging for people to vote. >> yes, and it's worth pointing out the situation was before this law here in georgia was changed. i think that bears mentioning. the georgia law does lots of little things. you heard senator klobuchar talk about she wants democrats in
state legislatures and the federal government to be as creative as the state lawmakers are at making it harder to vote to find ways to make it easier. one of the things she pointed out that i found fascinating shortening the period between the general election and run-off to just 28 days, but the period of time that you need to register to vote is 29 days. so if you're not registered to vote in the general there's no way to get involved between the general and the run-off. it would prevent the surge in enthusiasm we saw that helped propel the two new democratic senators in georgia between the run-off and the general election. it's little pieces of how you change how votes are counted, how they're cast and when and whom they can be cast by that are potentially pernicious here and that's what democrats are trying to get ahead of. again, these are state level decisions that have been made and there were pro-election integrity protesters.
the state's governor came out to defend the law. the two parties are incredibly polarized on this issue. i think that is the challenge. coming up with a middle ground where republicans can say we have more confidence in this, you've improved election security, is the same kind of stuff democrats will say you're making it harder for people to vote. the middle ground aspect is what is wholly lacking in this debate. >> garrett, my friend, as always, thank you to you. garrett haake for us in georgia for this highly consequential hearing that's taking place. ashley parker, i want to ask you about the writing but also about the pressure that president biden has faced since his speech in pennsylvania in which he called out how horrible the actions against voting rights are across this country but yet to tie that to some sort of pressure he's putting on senators in particular to do something about it. >> well, that's exactly right. there was another line in my
colleague's fantastic piece which are democrats are issuing all these calls to action but there's no foreseeable action in the immediate future which is their conundrum and what dan also pointed out even in the speech rife with symbolism, location, the most forcefully president biden has spoken out, he never uttered the word filibuster. he never tied it to what parliamentary procedure on capitol hill would have to change in order for there to be sweeping voting rights overall in capitol hill, actual legislative solution that isn't going state by state. a lot of the states are moving in a far more restricted direction. nor has he really called out -- he has mentioned occasionally that he has a slim majority in the senate. there's a couple of senators who
don't always vote the way he wants but has not stood up and said, senator manchin, senator sinema, this legislation we believe is fundamentally to democracy, your fellow senators is saying is existential for our nation's founding for the rights of the people, for potentially to put into political terms, the future of the democratic party, you need to blow up the filibuster to get it passed. and that is what president biden has so far not done. you are seeing this push with what we're seeing in georgia today in the states to take the tools and the bully pulpit and try to create that action and momentum countrywide. >> olivia troy, there is such a clear connection between when the former president started talking about how this election would be full of fraud and mail-in ballots would be terrible. the original big lie and this perpetration of the big lie and yet polling continues to show
that among mainstream republicans there is still a belief that some of these laws being passed in texas, in georgia, and other places including pennsylvania, which we're going to talk to malcolm about, some of these laws are about keeping voting safe. it is a solution in search of a problem that does not fundamentally exist anywhere in this country. >> right. it's a talking point the gop is pushing across the nation right now which is they are trying to preserve election integrity. in reality most of these laws don't actually attempt to do that. especially in texas where it's already very hard to vote. and we've already beaten this drum and said there really wasn't any election fraud that happened and it was proven to be one of the safest elections. what they're really doing is restricting access to voter laws and laying the groundwork so think can weigh in and try to
overturn them. we have to pull out all the stops. i agree with what's going on with the democrats during the field hearings. the texas democrats were in their right to take a stand, and i think it's important, also, to reach out to those republicans at the state level right now who have stood strong and have taken a stance and amplified their voices. get them out there and the republican voters who do not believe in what's happening right now, because a lot of them. we've seen testimonials come in with the voting rights initiative to get the testimonials out there to voters and call attention to this in hoping that they will back congress into doing something, putting something in action. >> let's talk to one of those state representatives. malcolm is joining us. he has been on this beat for a long time. representative, in pennsylvania the democratic governor is vetoing attempts to make voting
more restrictive. they are attempt to go emulate not only more restrictive voting rights bills but also the ridiculous audit that's going on in arizona. >> absolutely, ali. i know some people have tried to laugh this off and say, well, we have a democratic governor. he can veto some of the worst things and so it's a joke. it's not a joke. it's not a joke. and let's be very clear about something. they are not trying to stop everybody from voting. they're trying to stop certain people from voting. look at me. look at me for a second. they are trying to keep folks who look like me, who come from working backgrounds like me, who are young, like me. these are the people they're trying to keep from the ballot box. that is why i take this so damn personally. they understand that when young people come out to vote, when black people come out to vote,
when marginalized people get to vote, we get things like sending joe biden to the white house, like historic victories in georgia to send two democratic senators to the united states senate. folks are getting $300 in their bank accounts right now because young people, black people, brown people, came out to vote in record numbers. this is what the republicans have been doing for a long time, trying to restrict the votes of black and brown voters, of marginalized and working class people is not new. that bill when you look at their attempt to take us from the drop boxes in philly down to just five drop boxes, who does that impact? the working mom who might be working two and three shifts who has a kid to take care of, who needs a quick and accessible way to drop off their ballot.
>> you and i were together in west philadelphia, and, you're right in calling out the fact it's detroit, it's philadelphia, it's milwaukee, it's the nine counties around atlanta, georgia. president biden seems to get it because he said it. vice president kamala harris seems to get it. how do you get the passion you're bringing when you say look at me and get them to do something about it that will change the actual outcome of these legislators who are trying to restrict people's right, people who look like you, and their right to vote? >> well, a part of what i think will help is getting me to the united states senate, which is why i'm running, as i believe the first african-american has run for the u.s. senate in pennsylvania, certainly one of the youngest people to ever run. because these issues, for me and for so many other voters, are not hypothetical. if we fail on this, it is not
some abstract thing. it is people in my district who won't be able to vote which is why i've always taken this so seriously. we don't get a second chance. if the right to vote is taken away, we won't get another chance. let's be very clear about what will happen in this upcoming election. this will be the congress that will certify or not certify the presidential election. and we see very clearly these folks will do everything in their power to not let the voices of the people be heard, to not respect every vote. so this is a five-alarm fire. i don't know what other words to put it in. and i will say what should be said, and i know that they're hearing it every single day. sinema, joe manchin, stop playing around, stop mucking around. let's ensure that black and brown voters who are the backbone of the democratic
party, that we are able to vote as easily and accessibly as possible. they're not trying to shut up everybody. they're trying to shut up young people, trying to shut up black people, trying to shut up marginalized people. we're going to continue trying to do what i've done as the chair on campaign finances and elections is call out the lies, the garbage, the bull crap every single time. my grandfather and so many others bled, some folks died for the right to vote. and everybody is putting out these tweets of john lewis. john lewis doesn't need a tweet saying how wonderful he was. what he needs is for his life's work to matter. if you put out a tweet about john lewis, you ought to have the backbone to get rid of the filibuster and do what is necessary to secure our democracy.
>> malcolm kenyatta, you are drawing attention to it. pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta, ashley walker and
olivia troye. thank you for starting us off this hour. after the break a hugely consequential first in the effort to hold accountable those responsible for the january insurrection. it has to do with the man you see here, sentence this had morning on a felony count. the judge on the symbolism of his action that is day. we'll have that story next. plus, president biden refocusing his harsh criticism of facebook from late last week. his new target is something called the disinformation dozen and the lies they're spreading about vaccines to tens of thousands of americans, and a bold accusation made by the white house sure to provoke the chinese government. what they did and what happens next. all those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after this. white house" continus teafr this
a federal judge has ordered the first felony defendant in the january 6 insurrection to serve eight months in prison. florida resident paul allard hodgkins is just the third person involved in the attack to be sentenced. you can see him here carrying a red trump flag inside the senate chamber. the judge saying, quote, the symbolism of that act was unmistakable. he was staking a claim on the floor of the u.s. senate not with an american flag but declaring his loyalty to a single individual over the nation. in that act he captured the threat to democracy we all witnessed that day, end quote. joining us is democratic
congressman jerry connolly of virginia, a member of the oversight and reform and foreign affairs committee. congressman, it is unusual to me that judge captured the sentiment better than many of your colleagues on the floor have been able to. >> yes. the judge is mired in reality, what actually happened and the actions of the individual sentenced this morning. and believes in accountability and fact-based jurisprudence. those are standards i wish my colleagues here in the congress on the other side of the aisle would embrace. >> i want to read a little more from what the judge said. according to "the washington post" the first felony defendant sentenced gets eight months in prison. the judge said the capitol riots caused damage far greater than the few hours of delay in congress' tallying of the electoral votes, saying it left a stain that will remain on our nation for decades.
it means it will be harder for all of us to tell our children and grandchildren democracy stands as the immutable founding of our nation, it means we are fearful of the next attack in a way we never were. and it makes us question whether our democracy is less secure than we believed just months ago. he called the harms enormous and chilling. how do we translate that, mired in reality as that judge is, into something that actually takes this seriously and sends us down a part never having to witness this again? we're not substantially further on that than we were january 6th. >> i think that's the most troubling aftereffect of january 6, instead of the country coming together saying we can never have this again, we actually are fracturing along lines of this didn't really happen. even though we all saw it and
many of us, like myself, actually experienced it. we have a lot of work to do in america. step one is holding people to account. understanding there are consequences for your actions. today is the first big step down that long road in holding someone accountable for treasonous act to attempt to overthrow a free and fair election that is in the process of being certified constitutionally in the congress to me is a treasonous act. and people should be held to that standard and the judge eloquently did just that today. >> how do you feel -- we're still waiting for the republicans to name their five participants, obviously liz cheney has one of the democratic seats on the congressional economies. you had called for the president to name a presidential commission, something he doesn't want to do. he seems to be letting congress
handle this for now. how do you feel about the commission moving forward? do you think it will achieve what you're hoping it will? >> i felt we needed a presidential commission, as we have had in really dire moments in our past history to elevate the issue and take it out of charges of partisanship. but what is more important than the kind of commission is, in fact, we get at the truth in a formal, structured way. and speaker pelosi has done that. and i now hope that kevin mccarthy, the republican leader, will stop kissing the ring at mar-a-lago and actually genuflect to the constitution of the united states. do the right thing and nominate responsible members of his party who will seek out the truth no matter where it leads. >> congressman, good to see you. thank you for joining us. congressman gerry connolly of virginia. much more on the push for voting
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let me point out that facebook, of all the misinformation, 60% of that misinformation came from 12 individuals. that's what the article said. so i was asked that question about what do i think is happening? facebook isn't killing people. these 12 people are out there giving misinformation, anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it. my hope is that facebook, instead of taking it personally, that i'm saying facebook is killing people, that they would do something about the misinformation, the outrageous misinformation about the vaccine. that's what i meant. >> the white house is continuing its showdown with facebook over covid misinformation as the delta variant and vaccine hesitancy are undoing the comeback we've seen this summer. biden is saying it was based on
the reporting for digital hate that said, quote, the disinformation dozen have a combined following of 59 million people across multiple social media platforms with facebook having the largest impact. facebook defense responding to the president with this statement, quote, the data shows that 85% of facebook users in the u.s. have been or want to be vaccinated against covid-19. president biden's goal was for 70% of americans to be vaccinated by july 4th. facebook is not the reason this goal was missed, end quote. the company still hasn't shared how many people have seen vaccine misinformation on its site. joiningous conversation medical contributor dr. patell, a former white house policy adviser and a former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, host of the podcast the bureau and an msnbc national security analyst. thanks to both of you for being with us.
facebook with a forceful response to biden's comments which may have been ill informed last week, but facebook is dodging an issue we know about in elections and now we know about in this pandemic, that while lots of people who are on facebook probably want to get vaccinated, it has lots of people spreading misinformation and disinformation about vax nations. >> yes, ali, honestly, you see viral spread of the misinformation and i'm going to say when we call it misinformation it's lies. these lies are hurting people. almost 100% have been vaccinated individuals. not all. unfortunately a proportion of those deaths that could be prevented. >> this dozen, 12 people, with
59 million followers on social media, frank, this is the scope of a problem. right now that has to do with the pandemic. we have been talking about this, the degree to which a small number of disinformation merchants can have this effect and it's bouncing back with the delta variant spreading in a country not short of vaccines and vaccinations. this is a problem that is perhaps beyond the scope of a fight between the president and facebook right now. >> precisely. so the threat posed by misinformation, disinformation is a security concern whether we're talking about a foreign power spreading disinformation that way, whether we're talking about domestic terrorism and the planning and coordination online for january 6 and the violence that occurred there or now as we're learning from this
consortium, this u.s./uk joint paper, which i encourage everyone to read. it's a lesson here on how a couple dozen or a dozen people through their followers can influence how we think about our own health. the dilemma here is worse than what facebook when people espouse violence. that's almost a no-brainer. they have algorithms for that when someone is going to commit a criminal act, going to build a bomb, hurt somebody, they have no qualms about reporting that to law enforcement. there are free speech issues, freedom of opinion issues. but your free speech ends when you can prove you are about to hurt someone and causing harm. facebook can do more. the other platforms can do more. we need warnings, we need banners across these postings that this is an untruth. this is unscientific and unproven. >> yeah, you make a really
interesting point here, frank. kavita, our social media experts at nbc tell us all the time that the number one area of misinformation and disinformation is health this is a public health hazard. while we may struggle with how we regulate this, is the fact facebook is still allowing a platform for people who do spread these lies that can, as frank says, kill people, you worked in government policy and health care policy. does this become a policy issue to say you can't be responsible for spreading a health hazard? >> yeah, it does, and, by the way, this is not exclusive to facebook. facebook owns whatsapp. twitter as well. one of the things we talk about is sunshine and transparency. to frank's point the number of times i've reported tweets but nothing happens and you as an
innocent viewer might not even realize the tweet you look at or the facebook post you look at has been flagged by people and has been reported, that could be one simple policy step. and, i'll be honest, why do they not do it? there's no answer for it. you're right. there is an accountability where policy has to step in. it's been a tension between the government and, quote, big tech for a long time. now lives are truly at stake. the president put it well. >> frank, like the spreading of other disinformation, political misinformation and conspiracy theories, it all fits a pattern. the conspiracy theory gets more clicks than the truth does. fake stories are often much more interesting than the real stories. should we, given what you just said about the health hazard this presents, should we be thinking about different ways of dealing with this from a regulatory perspective? we've been struggling with general disinformation on the internet for years this is a
very specific example that could allow for some very targeted laws. >> indeed. and i've written about this in the context of domestic terrorism. it applies equally here. many of the silicon valley ceos will tell you they welcome more regulation. they can't get this done by themselves. we need regulation like a veracity reading so you can tell your children you're on a c-minus site, regulation of algorithms. algorithms encourage you and feed you more disinformation if you're inclined to read disinformation. that kind of thing needs to change as well. there need to be laws. i'm a big fan in the area of private, civil suits. let's not get wrapped up in free speech but if family members are
harmed because they adhere to these fake posts, let's talk about class action lawsuits. that's where it will start hurting. >> your idea of a veracity rating for everything you look at online would be brilliant. we have the minds to do it to be able to say you can listen to whatever opinion you want anywhere on the internet. imagine if you could be assured this is reliable information and can consume it that way. dr. kavita patel, please join us. frank, please stay with us. i want to talk to you about another matter. accusing china of perpetrating a colossal cyber attack. it's the kind of claim that could have serious and paradigm shifting consequences. we'll take a closer look next.
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for the first time the biden administration is formally accusing the chinese government of having a role in the hacking of microsoft email systems used by many of the world's largest companies and militaries. the u.s. joined allies including all of nato in condemning china. the u.s. statement was the first suggestion they hired criminal groups to hack computers and networks around the world. now despite the public accusation the u.s. did not announce any sanctions against china unlike in april when the white house imposed sanctions on russia for its role in the solar winds hack.
we're back with frank figliuzzi. we have talked about this before and the russian hacks, and you are concerned about governments including ours drawing red lines without plans to actually do something about it. what do you think about the joint statement warning china about getting involved in this sort of thing? >> the big takeaway here and the big positive here is this was a combined effort. so, yes, we have these indictments of four chinese nationals, three of whom are chinese mss, a civilian ministry of state security, intelligence officers. fantastic but even more importantly, quite honestly, the european union and nato allies have combined with us to say this has to stop. we're calling out china and this is a strategy that could work if you isolate them and make them a global pariah because of what they're doing and because of their conduct things will change. the next thing, it has to be really painful for chinese
companies, chinese individuals, nongovernment employees to cooperate because if you read the indictment today, you see the power of the chinese government reaching out to colleges saying we want you to spot this out, we need this technology, we need that research. it is a criminal enterprise when it comes to hacking. we need to make it painful for those cooperators. these three mss officers that were indicted, we're never going to lay hands on them. they're not going to travel to any place we can grab them. we'll never get handcuffs on them. naming and shaming does work, but we also have to do it with our global allies. >> so, frank, the rate at which we are seeing hacking, ransomware, hacking attempts today is akin to what it looked like for people like you 15 and 20 years ago dealing with terrorism. and back then the average person lived in existential fear of it
and maybe guys like you thought it was not as bad as we thought it was or maybe you thought it was worse. where are we here? i read about hacking, government sponsored or encouraged hacking and ransomware on a daily basis and i'm beginning to think we're on the losing end of this fight with the world together, with nato joining with the united states, is there hope of putting a lid on this? >> we are behind here and largely because the adversaries who do this have a different playing field and different rules. they don't have rules like we have. we don't order our companies to have certain levels of security. they, as you see in this indictment today, the chinese can tell their citizens you must cooperate with us. there's a law that demands that citizens must cooperate with their intelligence sources. the same goes for the companies and organizations. we don't have that here and i'm not advocating for that. if you want to play in the krit
kral infrastructure arena, be that big food supplier, you've got to meet certain across-the-board mandated standards. we're not there yet. we need that now. we need to say you will have this level if you're going to be a successful part of the united states infrastructure. >> the fbi obtained a court order that allows it to go into the computer systems, the corporate systems of some that were hacked by this group and take out bits of code that were left behind. i don't know if that's good or bad but it's something we haven't seen before. >> the bread crumbs, the trail left when hackers come in is valuable and it's the gift that keeps on giving and keeps on hurting unless you fully remove it. this has been a private sector
for private security firms. now you see the government, the fbi saying we want to take that out and study it. it has value to us. it will continue to harm you. if you need help, we're there to do it. that's an interesting step in the right direction. >> i don't know if you mean to do it but, frank, i do feel a little bit safer or at least like there's a safer future in front of us if we choose to take that road. frank, good to see you. frank figliuzzi, thank you for spending time with us. after the break, a day on wall street, the likes of which we haven't seen since last fall, concerns that covid cases could slow global economic growth. that's next. fast over concerns that covid cases could slow global economic growth. that's next. next. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble. lucia. who announces her intentions even if no one's there. and sgt moore. who leaves room for her room. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe...
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that will be manageable, but problem is that the virus isn't going away. the delta variant is a bit of a problem. now the people that buy the stocks are starting to say, wait a minute, maybe the reopening is not going to be as smooth as people thought in the fall. all of this travel and these leisure people are going to do, going out to the restaurants, maybe they won't be doing it as much. that will impact the earning situation, and these stocks are very high priced. the market was at a new high just recently, so now they're saying, uh-oh, maybe we're wrong on the earnings and the assumptions about the reopening, ali. >> yeah. the market is up a lot in the last year, better than 30% on the s&p 500, better than 13% this year. >> that's right. >> so for folks worried about their 401(k), don't worry too much. it is a little pull back. >> you know, be a long-term investor. if there's anything people have learned it is that trading in and out of the market, oh, i got to tell now and then go back in in a few months, it doesn't work. if you have a long-term perspective, if you have a many-years perspective, don't worry about it.
long term the u.s. economy, bless the u.s. economy because of the capitalist economy we have continues to keep growing, earnings growing, the population grows, and generally the markets keep moving up. i'm concerned about this delta variant, but i think we're going to beat it. >> yeah. >> long term i'm not worried about the stock market, ali. >> you've been there a long time, bob. so if you tell me we're not worried, i'm not worried until you say we are. cnbc's bob pisani, my old front. thank you for joining me. that is it for me. the next hour of "deadline: white house" with jason johnson starts right after this quick break. thanks for being with us. ith us n proven to treat and prevent migraines. don't take if allergic to nurtec. the most common side effects were nausea, stomach pain, and indigestion. ask your doctor about nurtec today!
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we want to know what was going on in the white house, in the administration. if there were discussions about how to overturn the election or retain power by any means, obviously that's going to be pertinent to our inquiry. nothing would surprise me at this point. the idea that the president may have been willing to use troops to try to put down protests or overturn the results, we really can't say anything is beyond contemplation of that former president. hi, everyone. i'm jason johnson in for nicolle wallace. it is 5:00 in the east. nothing would surprise me at this point says congressman adam schiff, one of the members of the house select committee. most of us who covered the past five years in washington would agree, even as we learn more about what schiff's referenced there, trump's handling of the black lives matter protests last summer. in a brand-new "vanity fair" piece by phil rucker and carol
leonnig, they reveal the former guys, quote, over the years, trump has rarely expressed misgivings, but he regrets his response last year to protests. i think if i had to do it again i would have brought in the military immediately, the former president said. that comment, one of many, shocking but really not surprising details of the trump presidency, revealed in a two-and-a-half hour interview leonnig and rucker had with the former president in march for their new book, "i alone can fix it." their interview reveals while trump regretted not unleashing the military on protesters fighting for black rights and justice, he seems to have no qualms about the insurrection he himself incited that left five people dead and democracy on the brink of collapse. i would venture to say that i think it was the largest crowd i had ever spoken to before, trump said. it was a loving crowd, too. by the way, there was a lot of love. i don't see what love has to do with it. pressed again, trump said he
hoped his supporters would show up outside the capitol but not enter the building. in all fairness, the capitol police were ushering people in, trump said. the capitol police were very friendly. they were hugging and kissing. you don't see that. there's plenty of tape on that, but our friend, nbc news washington scott macfarlane who will join me later this hour, who closely tracked every charge against the insurrectionists and every piece of evidence presented, right, i've watched the tapes, i haven't seen a hug or a kiss yet. what is almost as frightening as that fateful day if not more so is the disinformation that spurred the attack in the first place is still being spewed aggressively by the former guy, along with the tags of anyone who doesn't blindly follow him. just now they're coming from his perch in mar-a-lago. they add, trump was fixated on his loss in 2020, returning to this wound repeatedly throughout the interview. the greatest fraud ever perpetuated in this country was the last election, trump said. it was rigid and it was stolen,
it was both, it was a combination and bill barr didn't do anything about it. had mike pence had the courage to send it back to the legislators you would have had a different outcome in my opinion, trump says. the ongoing threat the former guy poses to our nation is where we start this hour. joining us is eddie glaude, chairman of the department of african-american studies at princeton university and msnbc contributor. also, dr. christina greer, at fordham university and politics editor. and annie carney, "new york times" white house correspondent and msnbc contributor. so i'm going to start with this, and i think this is really important to say. there's a lot of people out there who are like, we spend too much time talking about donald trump. we spend too much time talking about donald trump, but i think it is important for the american public to understand that this man is still basically the leader of one of the two most important parties in this country, and he's still basically plotting his return. eddie, when you hear these kinds of comments, when you hear the president say, "oh, yeah, you know, i thought people were
loving and it was just a good speech one way or another," does it remind you how dangerous trump is or do you think it is examples of a guy randomly tilting at windmills now that his power is over? >> i think it is a bit of both. >> okay. >> certainly to my mind, jason, it very clearly shows trump has political ambitions. what those ambitions are, whether it means he will run for office again i'm not sure, but he still wants to be the king maker. what i think was really clear after reading the piece -- excuse my voice -- was that donald trump is silly. i mean -- and i say that in a way that i want it to be read as con descend in. it is very clear this man is not very bright. and the fact that people follow him, right, baffles me at times. so part of what i have been trying to do is to figure out what is behind the trump phenomenon, what is driving it. he wants to be the king maker. he wants to be -- he is don
quixote tilting at wind mills, he is the carnival barker, but i want to understand the source of his power. once we get at that and answer that question honestly, maybe we can have a serious conversation about what we're facing as a country, it seems to me, with all of these folks supporting him, if that makes sense. >> very much so. annie, i take this to you because i don't think this can be asked enough. donald trump doesn't actually have a very good track record politically, right? he lost the popular vote in 2016. he lost the presidency in 2020. his party lost seats in 2018. the guy has a steady record of being a loser. why in the heck are republicans still so wedded to a guy who doesn't have a track record of success that would justify such loyalty? >> well, i think he has -- he has a grip on their supporters, and so far we've seen different republicans try and approach it in different ways, plotting
their own futures. we've seen republicans like rick scott of florida go to mar-a-lago and present trump with a made-up trophy to show -- just to get him -- to make sure he is on his side, it doesn't become a problem for him. we have republicans like ron desantis who appeal to the same base of supporters who basically are frozen until trump decides what he is going to do. then we have republicans like mitch mcconnell who are trying to go about their business pretending that he doesn't exist anymore, and it is a question mark of whether they can really do that. you know, the interesting thing about the rallies that he is still having isn't so much what he say from the stage, where there isn't really much new. we see in the interview with phil rucker and carol leonnig he is repeating, he is obsessed with the election, he is repeating false statements. we have to be careful on how we cover him in these rallies going forward. but what is notable is the crowds. he is still attracting tens of thousands of people to come and
see him, and that is a power. that is a power numbers, and we will see, you know, a real test of his ongoing political power will be these mid-terms and will be his endorsements and see if his candidates win or if -- or if his endorsement actually isn't what it is cracked up to be, and there is a future for republicans without him. the mid-terms are going to be a big test of his ongoing clout. >> dr. greer, speaking of crowds, i want to read this quote here. again, you know, donald trump has never -- the former president never regrets anything. he doesn't say he is sorry, unlike barack obama, unlike joe biden. i want to read this quote here. it is from the "wall street journal". michael bender's new book, "frankly we did win this election." that's how you're supposed to handle these people, bender quotes the former president telling officials. crack their skulls. on another occasion trump reportedly called for the military to go in and beat the -- out of them. several times he told officials,
just shoot them. met with resistance from attorney general bill barr and chairman of the chief of staff mark milley he qualified, shoot them in the leg or maybe on the foot, be hard on them. dr. greer, i'm not shocked or concerned that the former president was a racist, a white nationalist and that he wanted to just slaughter black people in the streets. what concerns me is that the attitudes and belief he has expressed, we're still seeing them manifest themselves in police behavior. my question to you is, you know, how does this new administration deal with that? how does this new administration deal with the fact that it only took one or two people in our federal government to say, maybe slaughtering black people in the street isn't a good idea, how do we purge those people or at least change the attitude of this government when it comes to people who are legitimately protesting? >> yeah, i mean, jason, this tacks on to what eddie was saying, not only is the president not that bright, he is not that well. i think that his type of behavior and his world view
seeps into his party, and we have the sycophants we have seen for four years, four-plus years. we also have these sort-of spineless republicans who refuse to stand up overtly and say the former president has been wrong and what he is saying and doing is not leadership in any stretch of the imagination, and he is causing vigilantes across the country. it starts with democrats calling on their republican colleagues to stop saying quietly by behind closed doors that they support some of the democratic notions and they believe that the democrats and joe biden are moving in a particular direction, to really put pressure on them to say it out loud, to say it to journalists and reporters. i think the larger issue is so many are afraid not just of their elections, but their primary elections more specifically because we've seen donald trump, the first time ever, a former president turn against his own party. so no one is safe. the fact that donald trump will
lie without any impunity, he will repeat a lie constantly, i think that that is also part of a problem where republican leadership can't really get a whole on a message. i think that they're scared, and it is trickling down to local and state-level politics, especially in police departments, especially in how we deal with vigilantes who are attacking black people on a daily and consistent basis, and not just african-americans but asian-americans, members of our lgbtq plus community, jewish americans. we have seen all of those numbers are spiking right now and it is because of domestic terrorists following the lead of the former president. >> it is amazing, dr. greer, for the first time in history trickle down theory actually applies but only with crazy, and that's one of the issues we are dealing with right now. eddie, i want to go back the you on this. one of the dangers that you hear from the former president in these kinds of interviews is when he is consistently spouting nonsense about covid and the
dangers of covid and the non-dangers of covid. i want to read this quote here. again, the trouble ahead we will be facing because so many people believe him. quote, people are refusing to take the vaccine because they don't trust this administration. , the former president said in a statement referring to president biden. they don't trust the results and the fake news. there you have it. trump is telling their supporters they're correct not to trust the federal government on vaccines because this sentiment should flow naturally from their suspicion the election was stolen from him. eddie, i'm not a medical doctor and i don't play one on tv, but a crazy guy, twice impeached person in florida giving me medical advice, shouldn't be the kind of person any common sense human being should listen to. not only is the former president still saying this, but why do you think it continues to still control people when we are seeing covid numbers come up and
the obvious results of people not getting vaccinated damaging their lives and killing their loved ones? >> the biggest part -- it is part of this ongoing strategy with which people -- distrust of powerful -- the party -- >> we're having a little trouble with eddie. we are going to jump to dr. greer. dr. greer, it is your chance to steal on the game show. same question to you. >> well, i mean -- >> you know, we have enough evidence. why are people still suckering into this? the delta variant is sweeping through whole cities now. >> i mean the most dangerous part of donald trump is not some of the egregious policy he put forward during his tenure, it is the fact he called facts into question. he repeats lies consistently and turns them into his own facts that his supporters follow. so this is how we had elderly folks, you know, eating chemicals from a fish tank. why? because the president said that, you know, these chemicals would
magically cure covid. he said drink bleach. we saw some americans did that. so, i mean, this idea that they worship at the altar of donald trump because they see him as very successful, even though he has earned nothing in his entire life. they see him as a leader, because these are people who, quite honestly, they believe what donald trump is selling. they believe that this is their nation and that it has been stolen from them. they believe that, you know, their jobs are taken from them because of people who look like you and me or immigrants. these are all of the things that donald trump has repeated to them constantly. they believe that, you know, mexicans are rapistes and people are coming to their homes to steal things. these are things repeated donald trump during his entire tenure. we have seen so many americans do that, denying the reality is if they look closely at some of the policies their own elected officials and the republican party are pushing forward are the antithesis of protections.
we have seen it in gun control. we have seen it with health care. we have seen it with environmental protections. you know, so many of the republican supporters, especially supporters of donald trump, are living terrible lives. why? because they're supporting the policies of people like donald trump and his sycophants that are directly working against them. but the one thing they have to hold on to which donald trump is selling is that their whiteness is superior to everyone else and this is their rightfully deserved country. until we get at the root of that, until republicans can excavate that from their own party we will continue to have this conversation. >> annie, you are going to help us close up this lightning round here. there is great new reporting from "axios" talking about the fact that the real challenge that democrats are facing in rural counties right now, because, again, the future is 2022, the future is this fall, the real challenge being faced is rural communities -- and, let's be honest, we are talking rural, red, mostly white places. they like democratic policies but they seem to be concerned about the messaging.
what is the thing that you are hearing in washington? what is the thing that democrats are trying to figure out about messaging right now to counter former president? because one thing the republicans were able to do very well is they can sell a message. what do democrats have to do with the little accomplishments that they have so far? >> well, i think the name of the game for them is repetition. sorry, is repeat -- repetition. it is boring, but they have to go and repeat the message on vaccines. you know, this administration has been very clear that they are not the right messengers for those communities. they need your local religious leaders, they need sports leagues. they need your pharmacy. having joe biden and kamala harris traveling the country, doing a vaccine message isn't going to get to those communities you are talking about. in terms of the other accomplishments, i think this is the big question. we saw republicans running on support for the relief bill that they voted against, so there is a real disconnect between the
policies that joe biden supports that are popular among voters across the country and how they actually vote, and a lot of voting comes down to voting for a sports team, for the team that wears the jersey that you cheer for. there is a disconnect between the policies people support and the elected leaders that they actually vote for who do not always support those policies. that's a big disconnect. >> look, i will root for any team as long as it is not the patriots. annie carney, thank you so very much for starting us off. eddie glaude and christina greer are staying with us. when we return, democrats are shining a spotlight on the most restrictive voting law in the country with a hearing in atlanta. plus, the first felony sentencing of a capitol insurrectionist defendant and what it tells us about the road map for future prosecutions and penalties for those who took part in the terror attack. a frightening day in
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voters. georgia's ra fell warnock at a senate hearing in georgia. senate democrats today took their push for voting rights legislation to the state that was ground zero for voting restrictions inspired by donald trump's big lie of a stolen election, hearing from people affected by georgia's sweeping new voting law. as "the new york times" reports, their real aim is to sway a debate more than 500 miles away in washington where democrats are trying to revive a stalled elections overhaul in the senate to make it easier to vote and offset many of the changes republicans have pushed through in states like georgia. joining us now is blit cal reporter for the atlanta constitution. good to see you, greg. i will start with you. you were at the hearings today. what was the energy like in the room? i know republicans didn't even attend, but was it people mostly giving testimonials, was it
people giving suggestions for improvement? what did we actually hear at the hearings today in atlanta? >> yeah, as you mentioned republicans essentially boycotted the hearing. no only did no republican senators attend, but no republican witnesses were there to defend the measure. instead there was definitely counterprogramming going on in georgia. republicans held an anti-crime hearing at the capital where they made announcement how lawmakers want to tackle the crime rates in atlanta. i would say the mood was -- there was a historic sort of feeling there because no, sir not only was it the first senate field hearing in 20 years, it was held at the national center for civil and human rights. it was held just one floor below museum exhibits that detailed civil rights movement and tragedies and dictators and all sorts of moving exhibits. here we were in this very, very almost sacred place in downtown atlanta hearing about voting
rights struggles that are happening right now. >> eddie, i want to go to you on this. i mean historically we haven't seen hearings like this in years, right? i mean they are literally -- the democratic party is literally starting a roadshow on civil rights. i hope they don't stop in georgia. i hope they go to a lot of different kinds of places. where does this play out sort of historically? is this the kind of thing that is a sign that, hey, we may be about to turn a corner on this, or is this a sign that we're in the middle and democrats are in a desperate place they have to do the roadshows 500 miles away to convince two senators in d.c.? >> look, i think we're somewhere in between. this seems to be my answer today, jason. we are somewhere in between. for some democrats, i think this is a sense of desperation. for other democrats, this very well may be theater. i think it is important for us to understand that no matter what is happening, how historic these hearings are, the fundamental question resolves -- i mean comes down to whether or
not we will get a filibuster carve out in order to pass voting rights. way think ultimately is there are elements of the for the people act that threaten democrats. there are some, not just joe manchin and kristin sinema. there are some that are not supporting, just providing cover for ten democrats who feel the for the people act will make their seats vulnerable. i think part of what we need to do is to understand more clearly what are the motivations behind the hesitancy with regards to just simply talking about a carve out for the voting rights -- for voting rights, for democracy itself. i think it has something to do, jason, with self-interest on the part of democrats as well as what the republicans are doing, the shenanigans they're up to, they've been up to historically. >> dr. greer, speaking of this motivations, we have raphael warnock. now, he is a very popular, brand-new senator, just elected in special elections we had in january, but he's also one of the number one targets of the republican party, even though in
georgia they have this crazy idea that herschel walker will be able to compete against him. does being at the forefront of the hearings not only bolster him standing, but i'm running again but i'm on the chopping block if it doesn't happen? >> i think it does, jason. largely because if we think about georgia in 2022, we know warnock will be on the ballot and kemp will be facing a democratic challenger. let's say it is stacey abrams. that will be a powerful top of the ticket for georgia democrats, and i think reverend -- senator reverend warnock will be able to articulate not just the work he has done in the past few years but bring in the larger work of stacey abrams and fair fight, and so many organizations, specifically black women, who have been doing the work for decades and definitely done the work of the past two years to present a larger picture to georgia voters about their duty, but also their continued duty not just to get him into office but to keep democrats like
himself in office in the years to come. so, hopefully, tagging on to what eddie has said it is not just about primaries with democrats also, we have to make sure that specifically white americans who understand the importance of the right to vote start proselytizing to their relatives who don't think it is a big deal and it is sort of a tempest in a tea pot. we need to get people, to reach them where they are, obviously our messaging is not going to work for a lot of families across the country, so it is up to white americans to do the hard work every day and talk to their relatives to get them to understand why this is so important. >> so speaking of white americans, i want to play -- i want to show you this tweet from senator kristin sinema in arizona. last week she inspired a lot of responses by tweeting out that john lewis was her personal hero and how much she admired him.
writer at "the root" pointed out that it is really fascinating that nowhere in google is there any evidence that kristin sinema ever referred to congressman john lewis as a hero. joy reid here at msnbc pointed out, how are you going to be talking about john lewis when everything that you are doing right now is presenting -- preventing the continuation of his legacy? i want to go back to you, dr. greer, and then we will get everybody else's shots. you know, was senator sinema just trolling us? that's my initial reaction to this. or do you really think she is that completely detached from how her very behavior is leading to the destruction of that great man's legacy? >> i think the latter, jason. i mean we have seen this time and time again. you know, so many who were marching in the civil rights movement, i'm like if all of those people marched in the civil rights movement, we wouldn't have needed a civil rights movement. i think it is a revisionist history of the relationship she thought she had with john lewis and the work she thinks she is doing, which is the antithesis of what john lewis stood for, the antithesis of his legacy.
the old saying, keep his name out of your mouth unless you're going to do something, i think she got a nice little taste of that on social media because people said everything that you are doing these past few weeks and months is the opposite of what john lewis would want. it is the opposite of what he stood for, fought for and was beaten for. so unless you are going to put up, then you need to shut up. >> greg blue steen, thank you for joining us today. eddie and kristina are sticking around. when we return, the first sentencing of a felony defendant in the capitol insurrection tells us a lot about where prosecutions are heading. that's next. prosecutions are heading that's next. except now you have uncontrollable body movements called tardive dyskinesia - td. and it can seem like that's all people see. some meds for mental health can cause abnormal dopamine signaling in the brain. while how it works is not fully understood, ingrezza is thought to reduce that signaling. ingrezza is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with td movements
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today was a monumental day for legal action for those being tried for their roles in the insurrectio that took part at the nation's capitol earlier this year, with the first felony defendant sentenced in court today. 38-year-old paul hodgkins from florida, surprise, was sentenced to eight months in prison for his role in the riots, ten months less than the 18 requested by federal prosecutors trying the case. hodgkins was accused of being inside the senate chamber with rope, goggles, gloves and a trump flag. hodgkins repeatedly told the court he was sorry and that joe biden was the rightful president. all of this comes as a new wave to erase january 6th from our consciousness takes hold. nearly 100 people protested outside the d.c. jail yesterday to protest the arrest of those
involved in the riot. joining our conversation is nbc washington investigative reporter scott macfarlane. eddie glaude and christina greer are also back with us. scott, i will start with you. i want this repeated for the public. in a recent interview published in "vanity fair", the former president said he saw officers hugging and kissing people and there was a lot of love. you are in washington. were there hugs and kisses going on. >> reporter: in fact, he said he saw kisses and hugs going on. i watched all of the tapes. no hugs, no kisses. today's sentencing was significant. he gets half of the sentence prosecutors were facing, despite the fact they pulled out the big gun. they said he was part of a domestic terror act and the judge was concerned that he was part of a mob that forced the evacuation of congress that day.
hodgkins apologized and said he doesn't blame anyone but himself and said that he recognizes joe biden jr. as the rightful president of the united states. let's see what message this all sends to other defendants. do they, too, now step forward and plead guilty and accept responsibility, seeking a lighter sentence, or do they fight seeing that a judge didn't give the feds everything they wanted, jason? >> so here is the thing. i want to take it to you, eddie. i don't care what this guy says. i don't care what kind of criss angel cos play he is doing before he goes into court. it was not about loyalty pledges. it is not about going in and saying i think joe biden is the rightful president of the united states. this is about the fact he was part of a terrorist act. how frightening is it, how problematic is it that a judge basically looked at a domestic terrorist and said, i'm only going to give you eight months? >> you know, jason, history haunts. you know, in fact, hodgkins, his lawyer invoked lincoln's second
inaugural. he said if the judge handed down a harsh sentence it would lead to further division. in fact, to hold the man accountable would deepen the threat, the divide. to use the label of domestic terrorist was, in fact, hyperbole. all of this was the kind of language we know was used to reconcile with the south that left us with this contradiction. there is this hesitancy to confront these folk because their our brothers, they're our sisters, they're our neighbors, aunts, they're our children. there are these intimate relationships that blocked the way to holding these people accountable. eight months? you know people, jason, just like i know people who are doing 10, 15, 25 years for selling a dime bag of weed. >> yes. >> so part of what we have to do is to first see this as the disjunction it is in terms of the criminal justice system and also view it as a part of our historical refusal to hold ourselves accountable for the ugliness that has often divided
this country, violently divided this country. >> i will tell you, eddie, that's not us. we say hold ourselves, because this is clearly -- this is being cut down amongst racial and political lines. dr. greer, again, when i saw this video, when i read about this zombie look-alike with a maga hat, the first thing that occurred to me was thinking about a black woman in texas who was sentenced to five years for voting by accident. i think about the different incidents around the country for african-american people and poor people thrown into jail and losing the key for years for crimes that were significantly less dangerous to our country. my question going back to what scott said at the beginning, is this actually going to encourage further terror? because an eight month -- look, if you have ever been to jail, any time in jail is not good. but an eight-month bid is nothing for a revolutionary and i think this small sentence will encourage more people to attack this country. >> absolutely jason. why wouldn't you?
if you know you are going to get a slap on the wrist barely, why wouldn't you just do what your passions tell you to do? we know that donald trump stirs this up. i mean this is exactly what eddie has just said though. when a judge looks at this man and probably sees a boy and says, well, i don't want to ruin his life, all right, we saw it even with some of the capitol police officers who didn't, you know, use their weapons and said, well, you know, i just wanted to talk to them. i mean they looked like me and i was just -- i was afraid i might hurt them. we don't get that same grace and compassion when we are talking about african-americans interacting with the criminal justice system with judges and definitely not with police. so it is a larger conversation, and i am going to say it again. this is where white people must do the work. i mean if you are looking at this eight-month sentence and knowing that a domestic terrorist stormed one of the most sacred buildings in our nation with the intent to threaten and/or kill elected officials on either party, which we've seen, and you think that eight months is not okay, you
need to talk to every single member in your family and community and explain to them exactly why it is not okay. explain to them why it is that we have african-americans who tried to vote who are sitting behind bars for over five years. we have to explain to people, just as eddie said, where the criminal justice looks at black people as non-deserving, non-worthy and criminal. we can understand the language that the former president used during his entire tenure, thinking about black lives matter activists and calling them animals and vicious. all right. using that type of language to desensitize people for punishments that african-americans should receive in his mind and also punishments that white people should not receive because they are more deserving and they belong in this country according to the donald trump ethos. this is the hard work that is sustained and continued, and it can't just be around particular events. it has to be a daily conversation that so many people have with their family members to change the mindset from the ground up so that it actually
permeates our elected officials. >> family members, community members, co-workers and members of the congress need to be having the same conversation. nbc washington's scott macfarlane, eddie glaude and dr. christina greer, thank you for spending time with us. when we return, harrowing moments at the national/padres game when gunfire erupts outside the ballpark. will congress finally step up and act? that's next on "deadline: white house."
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capital we were reminded the only thing more american than baseball and apple pie is apparently deadly gun violence. it was the middle of the sixth inning between the washington nationals and san diego padres when the sound of gunshots outside the stadium sent 33,000 fans i panic. parents hid with their children behind seats, in the dugouts, while others sprinted for exits. police are calling what happened a shootout between two cars outside the stadium. three people were injured. also in washington the night prior, a 6-year-old girl was shot and killed in a drive-by that injured five others. she would have started first grade this fall. joining us now is jake sherman, founder of punch bowl news, and charlie psyches, editor at large at "the bulwark." lucky for us, both are msnbc
contributors. i'm going to start with this video. i'm sure you guys have seen it, of a young lady who survived a shooting on saturday and i want your thoughts on the other side. >> i just saw people looking that way and i didn't know what was going on until i heard someone say, get down. so i just started going under the seats. >> oh, my gosh. how are you feeling? >> it was my second shooting, so i was kind of prepared because i always am expecting something to happen. >> it is a national embarrassment. i don't know, i don't know if i'm more angry or sad. charlie, what are your thoughts? you are a baseball fan. these are the kinds of things that you go to. what are your thoughts upon seeing that young lady's reaction to having her life endangered again at age 7? >> yeah, that -- that sound bite, it was my second shooting, we have a generation of children who are used to this sort of thing. look, i don't want to be too cynical about all of this, but i
am having a flashback to the aftermath of the massacre at sandy hook where you had 26 people killed, including 20 children. i keep coming back to that, because if that didn't shock the conscience of the nation, if that did not move the political needle, what would? i think that that was for me kind of a breaking point, the recognition that we -- we were not going to deal with this in any sort of a coherent way. so, yes, i mean the numbers are horrific. murders are up by 23% in the district of columbia. last year was one of the deadliest years in decades in major cities, and we're beating those records, more than 50 americans are dying from gunfire every single day. yet the prospects -- and i'll defer to jake on this. the prospects the congress will actually take any meaningful action have to be close to slim and none. again, if new town didn't shock the nation into action, why would we think this would be any different? >> yeah, jake.
you know, we've had these shootings now, they're regular. we have them at grocery stores, we've had them at concerts. you know, mass shooters were stopped, they were foiled, people who were likely planning to engage in a mass shooting at the major league baseball all-star game in las vegas. is anybody in congress offering anything other than thoughts and prayers at this point? or is this just something where they sit there and they wait for the news cycle to end, they hope it is not them or their district and we keep moving? >> so, broadly speaking, the answer is no. i mean we've been, as charlie and you both point out, we've been through several cycles, about 15 years or so of -- or 12 to 15 years or so of major gun violence across the country, mass shootings with somewhat -- some regularity, and congress has been unable and unwilling to put together a package that can get the votes that are needed in the senate. it is not a problem in the house with democrats in control and a
simple majority that passes things in the house. it is a problem in the sen at. now, it is not only a problem with republicans in the senate. it is a problem mostly with republicans in the senate, but there are conservative democrats who have been -- there's no proposal on the table so they're not really saying that they won't vote for it, but there's just a lot of hurdles here, right. i mean there are democrats who are conservative, who come from states with a big gun culture who are not willing to go as far as some others. so, listen, this is not an issue that's getting any closer to resolution in any way, shape or form, no matter what has happened over the last 15 years. >> so, jake, i want to continue with this. you know, earlier last month the president came forward and said, hey, we have $350 million, we have extra money in covid relief where local constituents can hire more police officers and everything else like that. do you think that strategically the democrats are being foolish by buying into this sort of
crime wave narrative? because, quite frankly, while crime has gone up in the middle of this pandemic, we are still significantly better off than we were in the '90s, let alone the sort of robocop '80s. do you think being tough on crime is going to help the democratic party moving into 2022? >> you know, it is a tough question to be honest. i have seen it both ways. perception is reality in politics, right. so if people feel like crime is getting worse, then political actors, politicians and political parties, are going to react to that and try to counter that narrative. i would say that statistics don't always win races. i will sound like a sin in, but we live in a culture where people believe what they believe. and, frankly, the defund police narrative which has been going on obviously for a bunch of years in some small pockets, not most democrats, but small pockets of the democratic party, and i'm relaying what they have
told me, it has hurt them. it makes them seem soft on crime. polls in both parties show that. we had a republican poll this morning which showed, frankly, that republicans believe they are winning the fight on law enforcement. so, you know, again perception is reality. democrats feel like they're behind the eight ball when it comes to showing that they're tough on grime, tough on violence, and they feel like they have to overcorrect for that in some way, shape or form. >> i got to say this because, as i have pointed out and i ask you this quickly, charlie, you don't have any democrats running on defund the police. is this thing that republicans keep saying, is this what they want to believe? because objectively, numerically defund the police is not something that has actually hurt democrats, but they keep telling themselves it has and republicans seem to believe it. >> well, it did hurt them in 2018 and 2020. look, i do agree with what jake had to say there, and just ask eric adams, who is going to be the next mayor of new york city. his victory in that primary, you
know, was really a red flag that, yes, even in, you know, bright blue new york, new york city, people are concerned about crime. you can show them the statistics, but they're looking around and they're not feeling safe. and when they're not feeling safe, they are going to go for the candidates that have the most credibility. so eric adams should be a very, very important figure for the national democratic party, and they should learn the lesson of his success in new york city. >> i see your eric adams and raise you a carolyn bordeaux who was attacked as defund i raise you a carolyn who still won. in los angeles, the indoor mask mandate has been reinstated but the sheriff says he's not enforcing it. that's next. iff says he's not enforcing it that's next.
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what have things been like since this new mandate came in on saturday? >> reporter: these mask issues bring out the sort of passion in everybody. i think about the incidents where we get the assaults on ste wardes sgs. this woman was accosted for not wearing a mask and she had an auto immune disorder. we've had doubling of the people in hospitalization from covid. we had five times increase in the number of cases here in l.a. county. 69% of eligible folk vs had one jab. 61% have had both of their vaccinations. that still leaves some four million people here in county unvaccinated. that's why health officials are putting it back into place. some folks are willing to go through it because the hospital numbers are rising. i spoke to a doctor who talked about how there was only two days where they didn't seefully
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