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road. a key panel holding it's first field hearing in 20 years in a state that many see as ground zero of this political fight. we're live in georgia. welcome to monday. it is "meet the press daily." and we start with a surge in the virus. both new warnings from the new president and public health officials and a new spike in covid cases across the country fuelled by that very contagious delta variant. you can see it here. new infections in the u.s. are way off their all-time highs, the recent increase in the number of cases is not prompting some officials to criminal reimposing restrictions. cases are going up in almost every state in america. just as communities all around the community were hoping to put the pandemic behind them. just in the last hour or so
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president biden delivering remarks on the economy as the dow plunged 900 points on fear of a surge. >> we changed the course of the pandemic. a disease with the most severe impacts on the unvaccinated people in the country. we can't let up. unfortunately cases are now rising. particularly in communities with very low vaccination rates. virtually all hospitalizations and deaths are occurring among unvaccinated americans. this virus doesn't have to hold you back any longer. it doesn't have to hold our economy back any longer. but the only way we put it behind us is if more americans get vaccinated. >> the president today also trying to clarify some recent comments he made to our own peter alexander that platforms like facebook were killing people because of the spread of
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misinformation. all of it happening against the backdrop of the top medical researcher saying it's like we have been to this movie several times in the last year and a half and it doesn't end well. we'll be live with dr. collins. and a call for and students over the age of two to wear masks whether or not they have been vaccinated. and breakthrough infections making headlines in politics. in the u.s. congress and in the u.s. olympics competition where we now know the identity of that u.s. women's gymnast that tested positive for the virus. she is kara eker. we have a lot going on and i want to bring in mike memoli in
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the white house. gabe gutierrez is with us in florida where at that hospital they have more than 100 covid patients. we have comments fresh off of the economy, the dow is sinking for one of the worst days in recent months here. talk to me about the strategy in the administration and the fight against misinformation with president biden, it sounded like, trying to do a little clean up. >> in the president's remarks this morning you got a snapshot of what makes this a challenging moment for the biden administration. you have the president trying to mark the six month anniversary of his inauguration talking about his economic agenda. what he wants to focus on going forward. taking credit for the fact that we're seeing a rebounding economy. taking head on the republican charge that some of his spending proposals are responsible for the inflation that we're seeing. but you also have the president
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not able to fully turn the page from what has been the focus of his administration for the last six months which is, of course, the pandemic. you have an administration that was really hoping to do that and turn the page. you look at the campaign style push that they made around 4th of july about the country being reopened and independence from the virus. if you look at that chart of the seven-day rolling average of cases. it is around the 4th of july when we see the cases rise. that leads to defensiveness for the president. singling out four states that he said are responsible for 40% of the new cases. the clear argument being those that are not getting the vaccine are concentrated in these states and that has been largely to blame for the rise in cases. then you look for what he said in that exchange with peter alexander. his message to social media companies like facebook saying they're killing people.
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facebook responded with a pretty strong response over the weekend saying that they will not be distracted by these accusations, and said the white house is looking for a scapegoat for the fact that they missed that 70% vaccination goal. the president responded to his own comments seeming to clean things up a little bit. let's take a look at that. >> facebook is not killing people. these people are out there giving misinformation. anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it. it's killing people. it's bad information. my hope is that facebook, instead of taking it personally that i'm saying facebook is killing people that they will do something about the outrageous misinformation about the vaccine. that's what i meant. >> so the important context to that, hallie, as you're well aware is that the biden team was very critical of social media
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platforms. combatting disinformation that was a big part of the 2016 campaign. history is repeating itself, and we're seeing that now as the president being very critical but he tried to walk it back of course today. >> let me go to you on the ground in florida. the state that accounts for some 24% of cases in the country. tell us what you're listening to from health care worker there is. >> hi there, hallie. we just got out of the covid unit here. just a short time ago. one of four units in this hospital. it is an area that is seeing a sharp rise in covid cases. cases here are doubling every week. let me tell you about this hospital. they actually have 123 covid patients right now. hallie at the start of sunday, that is just over 24 hours ago, they had 86 patients. in that time of more than 40%
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jump just in this hospital alone. they think that they are going to break their all time record for covid patients in january by the end of the day. really any moment now. and we spoke with a registered nurse about the type of patients she is seeing right now. take a listen if. a lot of them, because i believe it is 98% are unvaccinated, and if i ask any patient in a bed right now they will tell me they wish they got the vaccine. 100%, they told me personally they wish they got it, that they should have gotten it, and they did not. >> hallie, i can tell you just a short time ago, in the past 45 minutes to an hour, we spoke with one of the patients ourselves through glass. through a glass partition in that covid unit. we called her on the phone. she was 65 years old and she deeply regretted not getting the vaccine. she said she had not gotten it
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because she was scared. her message to anyone that would listen would be to get that vaccine if possible. in this hospital more than a 40% increase in covid cases in just about 24 hours. expecting to break it's all-time record any minute now. the statewide positivity rate in florida right now is about 10%. gabe, thank you. mike, thank you as well. joining me now is dr. francis collins. dr. collins, thank you and welcome back to the show. >> glad to be with you, hallie. >> a number of headlines today. today we meet it as well and let me start with new guidance that is coming out, new recommendations from the nation's pediatricians on kids wearing masks in school. they're recommending that any student over the age of two in
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school wear a mask. this frankly contradicts from what we heard from the cdc this month that recommended nasks of students not vaccinated. who should schools listen to? the cdc or the aap? >> well, you know, this is a tough one. no one looking at the country right now should imagine that everything is the same. communities where there is relatively little in the way of current virus spread might look at this and say that seems like joer kill. let's go with cdc for those kids 12 and over that are vaccinated. everybody under 12 is not. and those folks do not need to wear a mask as well as the unvaccinated adolescence. we just heard about it from your reporter.
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they are also in trouble. we are still concerned that even though vaccinated individuals are extremely low risk of getting severe disease or hospitalization, they can still potential i will be breakthrough cases of mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. while that is a low likelihood, it is still zero. while you're trying to block the spread, having those folks to wear a mask will add to what comes from that. dr. collins, i take your point about this pandemic looks different depending on where you live. for americans and frankly for school districts looking to federal officials for clarity and maybe for a little bit of cover as well, do you think it would be prudent at this point for the cdc to revisit their guidelines when it comes to mask wearing in schools. is that something you would like to see them do? >> people should read their latest guidelines. they were trying to provide some of that kind of leeway. they talk about a layered
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strategy depending on the circumstances in your school and your community about the various steps that need to be taken. a school district might be able to be helped like that. it's not just that rigidly you have to do it this way or that way. i think they're trying to provide that kind of leeway. >> it sounds like you don't think they're off base? >> i have great respect for the aap, and i don't think they take the recommendations lightly. they will not be popular, but the virus doesn't care that we're sick of masks. the virus is having another version of it's wonderful party for itself and to the degree that we can squash that by doing something maybe a little uncomfortable, a little inconvenient. it's not like we're asking people to go to the trenches with shooting war. you know we're just asking if it
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looks like it will help put the mask back on for awhile. >> can you provide clarity here on breakthrough infections? as you know some have been incredibly high profile. incredibly we're learning now the case of extremely high profile headline making, one of the gymnasts competing in tokyo at the olympics. we understand is a kara eaker. there is a report that she was vaccinated and that would indicate this is a breakthrough case. we heard about other infections like texas state democrats, the list goes on. what do people need to know about breakthrough infections, protection if they're vaccinated. help us put this into context. people heard that vaccines are
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really good, and they are really good. 95% effective against symptomatic disease. but that is not quite 100. you have 160 million people that have gotten vaccinated. even if there is a 5% chance that someone will have a breakthrough and you can expect to start seeing those and we have. exactly what were the circumstances under which the breakthroughs were identified? were they people that had symptoms? or was this just a test done for all due caution, like, for instance, you're at the olympics and somebody with no symptoms, but happens to be colonized by this virus. we don't have much information about how that happens. whether or not you want to call that a breakthrough, i don't know. so everybody calm down. these vaccines are incredibly effective in preventing severe disease. probably close to 100%. that is still true for the delta variant as much as we're worried about it. the breakthroughs need to be
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understood a little better. we will have more information in due time. but this is not a reason to start to develop uncertainty or skepticism about the vaccines. if this is a reason that someone listening has decided not to roll up their sleeve, don't use this one. you heard what is said there in that florida report. that virtually everybody in those hospital beds wishes they got vaccinated you don't want to be a statistic. you don't want to be on the next msnbc story. >> you're bringing this message shroud and clear. people are getting misinformation from social media, president biden as we reported and came on the show. the biden administration says this is an urgent public health threat.
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what can be done and how bad is it in your view? >> i think we to call on all of those. realizing what you're doing. you are putting lives at risk in is not just a thargt is fun. it is not just social media. it is also politicians, it is media personalities, and that is just as disgraceful and it needs to stop. the big concern that i have, hallie, is that we we seem as a nation to have lost our meanings of objective truth. and opinions if they're pushed forward seem to carry just as much weight as facts. that's not a place that we want to go if our society has a future. it counts on knowledge to be
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verifiable and reliable. one of them is biological. misinformation and intentional disinformation that seems to be winning a war against truth nap is not an epidemic that we want to see continued without addressing it straight up. >> dr. francis collins. thank you for being with us here live. up next, president biden, the eu, and nato all announcing that china has been responsible for that cyber hack on microsoft that compromised tens of thousands of computers around the world this year. plus, what we know about the florida man that just became the first person sentenced and charged with a felon for his role in the january 6th insurrection. insurrection nge for new homeowns who have become their parents... okay, everybody, let's do a ticket check.
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welcome back. the white house is now publicly blaming china for a series of hacks including one from microsoft. thousands of networks and commuters were compromised as a direct result of china's irresponsible and destabilizing behavior in cyber space. the eu, the uk, and others joining the u.s. they now just unsealed an indictment saying four chinese hackers uncovered information from four universities. there is more than two dozen high profile incidents in the last year alone. billions of dollars paid in ransom and recovery. joining us is the deputy
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director and the senior fellow at the center for strategic and international fellows. i want to play you what president biden said just a little bit ago. he took a question on china. here is what he said. >> my understanding is that the chinese government not unlike the russians, are protecting themselves. that may be the difference. >> it feels like there is a lot more nuance in that statement than from what we heard from administration officials. >> today is a remarkable moment in the history of u.s. response to chinese hacking. this is the first time that they went on the record saying
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chinese intelligence officials are working with contract hackers that are committing crimes. they are doing all of this on the sly for profit. it is what russia said in terms of harboring criminal hackers. those are distinct things. and our own colleague asked president biden why the administration did not denounce sanctions. he didn't really have an answer and that's a question that i'm trying to get answered as well. the u.s. never sanctioned china for cyber activity. there is a lot of people that i'm talking to that wish that the administration would do more now that they named and shamed this amazing conduct.
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>> what say you on that front? do you think it should go even further here? >> it is hard to do that against china. we don't have the economic ties with them. it's a more complicated picture to try to impose sanctions on china. i have been impressed with what they said today as far as trying to establish international reforms. i think we will go further if necessary. >> do you see this as a turning point potentially? i really loved that nato came out and put out a statement and that could be a turning point. if we don't have internation nag norms established i think it is a strong first step.
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seeming them step up like this is really impressive. >> i know that you and the folks that study these things is being talked about now. he recorded something like 30 major cyber extents in just the last year alone, right? can you talk about some of the similarities that you may be seeing from some of the hacks stemming from actors with connections to russia, china, or whatever? >> absolutely. i think it is important to point out that two things happened today. first that they looked at an ip threat. and that is a long standing activity of chinas. on the other thing the things they have done with the attack is that kind of allowing or
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endorsing ransomware activist. that is something we want to see softened in the tracts. >> do you think the resons is, for example russia or china, have to be different to be effective? who would you say is winning the cyber war. >> america's adversaries appear to have the upper hand. the united states has not imposed specific costs to deter this behavior. a former director of the nsa called it the greatest transfer of wealth in history. they go on every day and the u.s. did not figure out a way to stop it and today may be a first step to doing that if they get allies on board. thank you to both of you for your reporting and your anaysis analysis. thank you. making headlines on the voting
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recommendations. and it is one year after john lewis's death. this is tough that is pretty guaranteed to get headlines here. they try to convince their own colleagues to pass voting rights sitting in congress. let me bring in garrett haake. let's be clear here, right. is the news that something may come out of the hearing or is the news that the hearing is happening at all, right? i guess i'm trying to say some of these democrats are making it incredibly clear they're not willing to be budged. they're not moving. so while there is a lot of talk on this, are you seeing action or the potential for it? i think the news here was the
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hearing itself. what we're seeing with the democrats in general is they're bumping up against the limits of what you can do with a 50 vote majority. it's not much of a majority at all with the phil buster rule in place for passing most legislation. you're seeing democrats try to find ways to think creatively on some of these issues like holding a feel hearing that will get way more coverage than a traditional hearing sitting around in a committee hearing room. chairman klobuchar made the point to me that she would like voting rights in the reconciliation bill. that would be unusual. there was talk about the various lawsuits, the d.o.j., all of the different ways that democrats can try to pass this. i also asked the democratic
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senator from california about this. he says if you don't change the filibuster rules he said this is a conversation that he continues to have with his fellow former state level secretary of state joe manchin back in washington. here is what he told me. look, we're two of the former state secretaries going through the for the people act. there may be sweeps in order to get this right. i think senator manchin sees the significance of this. >> all that suggests to me is that some of this is being done for the benefit of joe manchin and kirstin sinema. saying look, we are trying everything and if you do agree that these issues are so important there will have to be
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ultimately a vote on a rules change and i think that is where this issue and a hand full of other issues come to a head. do we have to vote and let it fail? you know, there is really just up against that wall here on a 50 vote at least hold. >> garrett haake, i assume we'll see you back at your post later this week? >> i will be back. >> very good, thank you my friend, appreciate it. i'm joined now by a guest with some insight. congressman and general council for the american legal defense, good afternoon and thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> so you just heard garrett's reporting there in atlanta with the members of congress focusing on georgia. you have what is happening here in washington with the texas state lawmakers that are trying
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to stall a bill that they will have trouble installing indefinitely. they have pledged to keep calling the special sessions. do you see the issue as one that could be solved federally or by the states? and how? >> i think althoughly the state legislatures need to recognize they're taking action on a nonproblem. the fact is that election integrity in this county is as good as it has ever been. folks that we like to anticipate. so this state legislation in georgia or in texas is dramatically in search of a real policy problem that does not exist. so ultimately we need legislatures to recognize it's not their job to search out and put in place nonproblems.
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especially when the consequences prevent participation by people who have ever right to participate in elections and we need to expand and facility participation. >> we saw record latino rollout. is it your belief these laws in the place around the country will restrict that vote? >> they will restrict every vote. in particular the state of texas, the real concern is that increase that will continue in the future of participation by latino voters. so the steps they are taking are designed to reduce that participation. anything that you do to make it harder to vote remotely, to make it harder to vote ahead of time, to make it harder to register to vote, to make it harder to appear at your voting place and
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be allowed to cast a vote will have an impact on a participation. particularly newer voters. that includes latinos participating in many cases for the first time or among the first times and had the opportunity and have taken the opportunity to participate. >> you are laying out the very high stakes here. let me get you quickly on this and we'll move on. one of the things we heard is that joe manchin, a high profile backer of keeping it for now understands the seriousness of what is happening. do you trust that also? >> i think everyone has to appreciate the seriousness of democracy. with the faciitaing participation. i appreciate that see senator manchin giving his task as a
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state election official. there is simply nothing more important to the future of our country than ensuring democratic participation by those on the right. >> turning to other big news with daca dealing a blow over the weekend. protecting so-called dreamers in the country. halting applications for new participants. i wonder with your reaction, are you concerned this could be the beginning of the end for daca? >> i'm not concerned. i am concerned it could continue the roller coast r for daca recipients that had blow after blow and then boosted and boosted, but it's a roller coaster. the ruling on friday that was not unexpected, is still one
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that presents a real problem. it indicates how important it is for, in this case, as with democracy, for our congress to act and to step in. and providing protection to those immigrants including daca recipients that have year after year contributed to our economy and our society and have done so without protections of laws because they're undocumented. super majorities want to provide a path to permanence and citizenship. >> the white house in response to this said that only congress can ensure a permanent solution after calling the court ruling deeply disappointing among other things. you're making the same point as twhael it is on the shoulders now of the men and women to get something done. i get in a you want to be confidence that they will find a
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solution, but given what we have seen so far in this congress do you think they could in any sort of accelerated time frame that would be acceptable to those. living a life of uncertainty on this roller coaster? >> it has to change as they have to recognize a super majority from both parties in support of providing a pathway to permanence and citizenship. they have to recognize the values and principals important to their party like national security. like family values. they are critical central to getting the legislation enacted. if you just look at the facts and the principals this should be a no brainer moving forward. but you're right the history of the leadership of the republican side of the senate on this issue does not give great reason for confidence. but i believe ultimately as more
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and more indications of american support for this legislation come forward, as more and more indications that conservative values support this legislation come forward, i am confident that this can and will happen and needs to happen before they face elections again. before the latino vote and other votes hold them accountable. >> thank you again, appreciate your time and thank you for being with us. msnbc will have special coverage of the voting rights fight tonight. we will talk with those texas democrats about their decision to move to the nation's capital and the covid breakthrough cases among their group. that is tonight at 10:00 eastern here on msnbc. had. up next, we're live with eric adams. don't miss it. don't miss it.
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you might remember some of the predictions. like if i became president we would "see depression of the likes of which we have never seen." for all of those predictions here is where we stand, job creation. workers getting hard earned breaks. welcome back that was president biden earlier today touting what he describes as economic recovery in his first six months in office. he ran a primary field and that is part of the election victory and that is very similar to the one from eric adams that ran on that to win in a crowded field of democrats in the race for new york city mayor. eric adams joins me now. good afternoon, thank you for being back on the show. >> thank you, good to be on the
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show. >> i'm glad to have you. we're talking about what it means to be a joe biden democrat here, right? you said you're the new face of the democratic party. what makes you so confident? that? >> i like that term. i like the term biden democrat. it understands, it is plain a speaking candidate. talking directly to the voters about the issues that are important. moving around the city of new york, and i spoke with voters and they said you're talking about public safety, housing, and educating our children. and that is where the democratic party is now. i think we moved away from that by really dealing with those issues that are not really going to impact the quality of life of every day new yorkers. >> you define biden democrat as
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a plain speaking politician essentially that can get certain messages across to the american people. here is how ron klain talked about you on "the sway" podcast. >> i think the coalition that mr. adams put together in new york is not dissimilar to the coalition that president biden put together. a coalition of working-class voters, african-american voters over whelmingly, and voters that want to see progress on core issues. >> number one is that a fair assessment, and if it is, a blueprint to success in your view, are you concerned there are other democrats not following that? >> well, yes, i do believe ron is accurate. and not only must we have the right message, but we have to get things done. you can't have a city with 65% of black and brown children not needing proficiency. and i believe there is an arm of the democratic party that feels as though we should disban
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police departments. that is not accurate for where the voters are and those i represent. in brownsville, south jamaica queens, even chicago. they believe we should not partner with corporations. we need to expand our city and make sure we have growth and a tech and high income earners. $65,000 people in the city pay income taxes. they are paying for our police officers, our teachers, the department of sanitation. if we're alienating members of our party based on the economy or where they live it will hurt our party. that is not what i'm going to do as mayor of new york city. >> you said we allowed the term being progressive to be highjacked by those that don't have a track record of real progressive change. can you talk about what you see as real progressive change?
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what you do to bring together notion in the party that see themes as progressives? >> i believe in the huge tent. we all have room under that tent, and i'm going to sit down with everyone in this city no matter what their philosophical or political beliefs are, but we should respect those with the history of fighting for the battles. i fought not only as a sergeant in the police department for the rockefeller drug lord reforms, but i went to put together that bill. and when we look at the advocacy it is a 30 plus year track record of doing so. so many people started being engaged in this work and they have not looked at the people that have been here for so long. particularly those people who
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are experiencing inequalities of that which is pervasive throughout the city and country. >> eric adams, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. coming up here on the show, the longest punishment and the first sentencing for a felony in the capitol riots. we have the details coming up. s. that's why dove renews your skin's ceramides and strengthens it against dryness for softer, smoother skin you can lovingly embrace. renew the love for your skin with dove body wash.
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with a felony related to the january 6 siege at the capitol has been sentenced now. his name is paul hodgkin's. he got eight months in prison. you see him walking into the courtroom there. this is the longest punishment imposed so far, but small sample size, he's only the third person sentenced in the insurrection. you can see hodgkin's in the video we're about to show you inside the senate chamber. he pleaded guilty to obstructing an official proceeding. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. pete, talk about the significance of this and what we expect next with respect to the sentencing of other defendants. >> reporter: undoubtedly there will be more sentences harsher than this. the prosecutors asked for 18 months. the lawyer for hodgkin's said there should be no prison time at all or home detention. judge moss in the federal district court in washington said hodgkin's didn't do anything violent or damage property but he said he did participate in a larger event that threatened the capitol and
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democracy itself. then the judge said the damage that was caused that way was beyond a several-hour delay of the vote count, it's a damage that would persist in this country for several decades. hodgkin's was arrested february 16, pleaded guilty to a single felony county of obstructing an official proceeding, admitting he carried that flag onto the senate floor. he told the judge he regrets his actions and would not have entered the capitol if he had known of the violent acts that were committed inside. he said he was truly remorseful and regretted his actions. but it was obvious the prosecutors wanted a tougher sentence to send a clear message to other would-be rioters that if and when they're caught, they'll face a serious sentence. a u.s. attorney in the courtroom said today, "so there won't be a next time." there are basically three categories of people. those who committed violent attacks, those who damaged property, and then this category that he's in of people who didn't do any of those things but clearly were part of what
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delayed the vote count. >> there is also, pete, another person who has been charged here, making some headlines today. her name is pauline bower. she's filed a motion to dismiss the charges against her. she writes, the living soul, the creation of god, a woman is one of we the people, we motion the court to drop all charges against what she calls her vessel, and dismiss the case. any updates how that's going for her? >> reporter: she's acting as her own lawyer, which you're entitled to do in federal court. she's filed a number of similar largely incomprehensivable incomprehensible things like this that will have no standing. there is standby counsel. she's accused of entering the capitol, surveillance video recorded her saying bring her out here, we're coming in you
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don't bring her out. no suggestion that she engaged in anything violent, but, you know, this clearly -- these court filings she's made are not going to help her any. >> pete williams, thank you very much for staying on top of all of this and for working that beat, we appreciate your time. we thank all of you for watching this monday afternoon edition of "meet the press daily." see you right back tomorrow afternoon for a whole lot more. for now, geoff bennett picks up our coverage on "msnbc reports." heads up. thank you! water tastes like, water. so we fixed it. mio ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪
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