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but we do know, as the world warms, there's an increase in extreme downpours. that is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. this increases the chances that a storm will produce more precipitation. according to the nbc news climate unit, the rain that fell over western germany made it one of the wettest, if not the wettest day on record in that region. some call it a 1 in 100-year rainfall event. well, it is the top of the hour and very good to be with you tonight. people across the country are celebrating the life and legacy of congressman john lewis, one year after his death. he spent decades fighting for voting rights and that fight continues. we'll get the current state of voting rights legislation, especially in texas. plus, is this the face of america's pastime. shohei ohtani from japan is shaking up the world of baseball and challenging ideas of who the game belongs to.
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also, movie theater stocks are having a rough week as investors worry about the delta variant. what does this mean for the movie industry, which just started bouncing back? we'll discuss all of that with our saturday night panel. from nbc news new york headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." . we begin with voting rights. today marks one year since the death of congressman and civil rights icon john lewis. ceremonies took place this afternoon in nashville to celebrate his life. in san diego, the u.s. navy named a ship in his honor. house speaker nancy pelosi spoke at the christening of the "usns john lewis". >> it's fitting that we honor john lewis with this formidable ship, because john lewis was a warrior. this ship will be a beacon to the world, reminding all who see it of the persistence and courage of john lewis.
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>> the bill that bears his name, the john lewis voting rights act is currently stalled in congress. many democrats say passing it is critical to ensuring equal access to the voting booth. among them are more than 50 democratic members of the texas state legislature. they fled their state to pass package of restrictive voting laws. today we learned that three members of that delegation have tested positive for covid-19, despite being fully vaccinated. that's what's known as a breakthrough infection. worth noting, covid vaccines are meant to prevent hospitalization and death. doctors say it is still possible to get the virus and even to get symptoms. this evening, not too long ago, we got a statement from texas state represent, sylvia israel, who tested positive for covid. she writes in part, quote, let this be a reminder that covid-19 is still very much among us, with infection rates on the rise and more contagious variants spreading nationwide. while i have fully complied with
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cdc guidelines and am fully vaccinated, this will not 100% prevent infection, unquote. this week, some of those texas lawmakers met with joe manchin along with senate majority leader chuck schumer and vice president kamala harris. tonight, a spokesperson for the vice president released a statement that she will not quarantine because she was not in close contact with those who tested positive. now, the texas delegation is hoping to inspire their u.s. senate counterparts to change the filibuster rule and ease passage of voting restrictions. >> and i hope that we can show senator manchin, senator sinema, and the rest of their democratic colleague here is in washington how to fight, how to stand on principle, how to make a sacrifice, how to risk their careers in order to do the right thing by the united states and by the voters in this country. >> these new voting laws in texas and other states were inspired in part by former president trump's baseless claims of election fraud. how baseless? well, the associated press just did an investigation of
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arizona's 2020 presidential election. it found fewer than 200 cases of potential voter fraud out of more than 3 million ballots that were cast. 200 cases from 3 million ballots. four of those cases have led to charges with no convictions, at least not yet. however, donald trump's allies in arizona are continuing their controversial ballot review in the state. this review is not an official audit. and it does not have the authority to change the election results. with that, let's bring in our saturday night panel. maz jobrani is host of the podcast, "pandemic warrior," which is streaming now on pea cost. rena shah is the principle and founder of relax strategies and a adviser to the renewed democracy initiative. great to have all of you with
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us. tarika, what is your sense of how john lewis' legacy, how his memory might affect the fight for voting rights now? it seems to be galvanizing people who support the democratic push, the push by the democratic party to prevent these laws from taking place. i'm not sure it's registering across the aisle, though. >> first off, thank you so much for having me. but john lewis is one who pretty much gave all of us the sense to get into trouble. that was the thing that he stood on. the one promise, the one principle that we all took from that. get in good trouble. and that's what we're seeing from the texas democrats. they're getting in good trouble to stand on the principle that we are on the brink of jim crow 2.0. and that's what we want to avoid. it seems to me that the baseless claims that the rhetoric that is surrounding voter fraud and all of that that happened around the trump administration is continuing to push this notion
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that there needs to be stricter voting laws. and what we need to do is continue to understand that these restrictions and these laws, they are really only targeting people of color, brown and black faces. they're the ones that are going to be ultimately affected by these. these are the counties that will ultimately be affected by this. and we have to continue to persevere to end this filibuster and push this piece of legislation forward. >> miles, we saw that clip of texas state represent james talerico telling senators how to stand up for principle and risk their careers. i'm not sure -- and let's be clear, with i don't know many people who believe that what the texas democrats are doing will stop these bills from passing. the votes are there in the texas state legislature among republicans, potentially, to pass them, eventually. that this is a delay most likely instead of a denial. so how do you see this playing
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out? particularly if it is just a delay of the inevitable? >> joshua, i've got to tell you, man, when they did what they did, i got excited. they're doing something out of the box. i feel like i'm watching a "rocky" movie and it's the point where "rocky" might make a comeback. they took their ball and went home. they say, you're not going to play fair, we're going to go home. they're trying to inspire the senate to do something. the senate needs to wake up. democrats delivered a majority across the board. you know how many phone calls i made? i was a poll watcher. i volunteered. stacey abrams delivered georgia. i mean, we've given them all of that and still mitch mcconnell is somehow calling the shots?! come on! i'm hoping that these guys in the senate, i'm hoping manchin realizes that if you don't do something now, you're going to regret nit 2022, 2024, and who knows for how long. so i personally -- you're right,
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maybe the inevitable is that in texas, that law is going to get passed. but i'm happy that they tried something different. they're trying to light it up. let's go. let's do it. let's get out there and win the fourth quarter. that's what i'm talking about right there. >> rena, i see maz is fired up, even though he's mixing his sports metaphors. i'll forgive you for that once. you went from boxing to baseball to football, and i think you were on your way to arhythmic gymnastics, if i hadn't stopped you. but i understand where you're going, that there's this push to do something. and i wonder if that is the issue, is that it's not so much about the parties at their edges or the senators that are closer to the middle or carved out the middle for themselves, namely kyrsten sinema of arizona and joe manchin of west virginia, if maybe they're really where in the machinations of politics the logjam is or the opportunity is. >> joshua, let me say this. i'm from west virginia. i grew up watching joe manchin
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make it to the governor's race. and the fact is that this man has been in office a very long time. and when we talk about reform, what we really need to talk about is term limits. and having made my career on the right, i would say that a lot of my colleagues and peers have never been comfortable talking about term limits. but how do you get federal lawmakers to feel the pressure? how do you get them to feel what's going on? from these state lawmakers in texas saying, hey, feel something with us. these people who have been in washington for so long, how can we expect them to feel something? we can't, when they've been in office as long as they have been. so when we talk about reform, let's talk about multi-prong. we need to talk about term limits and gerrymandering reform. figuring out how to create more redistricting commissions and rank choice voting. it's an all of the above approach. you cannot get someone to experience our lived experience, when you're a black and brown person, you've just got to be in our shoes. how best to do it?
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you've got to get them to sit down and to understand reform. and reform starts with talking about what maybe causes pain. term limits in one of those things. let's get comfortable talking about the fact that these people have been in office so long and they do not understand what's at stake. the fact that they cannot do the minimal to honor john lewis, that is problem. that's where we are at as a country. we have lawmakers who don't understand us, don't see us. >> tarika, in the meantime, i wonder if you think there is enough common ground. absent that kind of reform, term limits and so forth, that kind of more structural change, if you think there is enough common ground now to come up with something that everybody will agree on that will make some kind of a difference? there seemed to be a path not too long ago where joe manchin laid out a few steps for voting legislation. stacey abrams heard those steps and said, yeah, in principle, those seem okay. so that seemed like the germ of
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an idea. i haven't heard much about that since. but as we said earlier in the show, democrats are kind of dealing with bipartisan or with infrastructure and a spend plan right now rather than voting rights, at least today. is there enough common ground right now to pass something on voting rights? >> i honestly don't believe so. i don't believe that there's enough, because i don't think that the desire is there. that's very, very important in my opinion. you have to want to make these types of changeses and want to be able to push and progress our legislation forward. and i don't believe that there's enough there. i think that we are still in this partisan pettiness, because that's what it is. it's partisan petty. i don't want to do it, because the democrats want to do it. i don't want to do it, because that side of the isle wants to do it. and until we can get to a part where it is literally, and seriously, we are taking the term not bipartisan but just uniting as a people, uniting as a country, and not necessarily trying to decipher which party is right and which party is
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wrong, i think that's when we'll get to a place where we will be able to actually push a piece of legislation forward that makes a lot of sense. right now, it is hard being an african-american woman or man or anyone, trying to understand how these people who we have elected, these people who we have trusted as constituents, these people who we have given the power to -- basically are saying to us, to our face, we don't care about our voice. we don't care about what it is that you want us to stand for. because we want to take this away. and that is exactly what john lewis wanted to teach us and what john lewis stood for is these people have voices and these voices need to be heard. and the way your voice is heard is at the ballot box. and i just don't think that there is enough. >> and we should also be clear. what's happening with these voter bills is the genesis of a lie about the election. of an array of things that have been said that are without any factual basis whatsoever, but
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which are politically expedient. there are a lot of the lingering effects of the political expedience of 2020 that are still playing out in 2021. another aspect of that, not specifically related to voting, but just kind of the legacy impact of 2020, has to do with our response to covid. and you heard this week about tennessee saying that they were going to bar kids from getting information about vaccines after they let go of the official in tennessee who was responsible for helping make sure that kids got vaccinated. jimmy fallon had some fun at tennessee's expense this week on "the tonight show." here's part of what he said. >> pretty surprising. and it might explain some of their new state mottos. take a look at -- here's -- "tennessee, come for the music, stay for the polio". that explains it. >> that's the motto. >> here's another one, "tennessee, nine letters, just like hepatitis." >> so, miles, i understand what he's getting at. i mean, i've got to say, it's --
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i'm not even sure how to react to this. it just seems so kind of on its face like, really, really? is this what we're doing now? really? >> it's nuts. it's crazy, because it reminds me -- all of this stuff, the voter fraud, the vaccines don't work or all of this -- it reminds me of -- remember when owny one obi-wan kanobie in "star wars" says, these aren't the droids you're looking for. it feels like republicans are going, there was voter fraud, and the constituents are going, there was voter fraud. vaccines don't work, vaccines don't work. what is going on?! let's listen to science, all right? tennessee is supposed to be -- what's it called -- the nickname is the independent state or something -- they've got a nickname that's about independence and now they're saying these kids, they don't want the kids to get the vaccine. their rates are horrible. we're hearing more and more that a majority of people that are being hospitalized are
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unvaccinated. and i don't know what else people need to hear. i really don't need. it's -- it's -- it started with people saying they don't want to get vaccinated because they thought they would put a chip in them to follow them around. my response to that is, who do you think you are that they want to follow you. by the way, they're already following you, it's your phone. >> exactly! >> and the tennessee state motto is the volunteer state. like the university of tennessee, the volunteers, the volunteer state. if you want to carry that nickname forward, you can volunteer to drive someone to their doctor's appointment and help get vaccinated, vaccines.gov, planyourvaccine.com. everybody, sit night. we have a lot more that we want to talk about. coming up, what makes one athlete more marketable than another?
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a recent controversy has americans debating who can the face of america's national pastime. plus, our pandemic tv-watching habits could stick around a lot longer than we thought. we'll talk about the future of movies later this hour. and we are separating 25 years of msnbc. what should we remember from those early days as we faced the challenges of today? i'll share my thoughts in tonight's essay. but first, richard ui is here with the headlines. >> the stories we're watching this hour. over 60 people were decontaminated after being exposed to dangerous chemicals at a water park in texas. the cause of that leak is not known. rapper and hip hop pioneer biz markie has died at the age of 57. "just a friend" helped cement his fame as the crowned prince
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week, comments from espn analyst steven a. smith are raising questions about who gets to represent baseball. this is shohei ohtani. he's a japanese-born player for the los angeles angels. right now, he leads the league with 33 home runs this season and he just started the all-star game as a pitcher. mr. otani's dual talents in pitching and batting have led some to call him the next babe ruth. on monday, stephen a. smith was opining on the waning popularity of baseball. he criticized mr. otani's place as the face of the sport. reason being, he speaks with the help of an interpreter. mr. smith said that, quote, contributes to harming the game. he later tried to clarify, insisting he was referring to the marketability of the sport. our panel is back with us to discuss. tarika, i definitely want to start with you on this one, because steven a. smith later apologized, writing that as an african-american, his sensitivities should have been evaluated even more.
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but i think in a way, it kind of illustrates that just because you're a person of color, doesn't mean you don't have cultural blind spots. we also have biases, implicit and otherwise. we all have blind spots, we also have the potential for stereotyping and for discrimination and just because you are black or brown, that doesn't make you immune. >> and also i would say this, too. in full disclosure, i don't get paid enough to speak on behalf of eespn, but steven a. smith i an individual who thoroughly speaks his mind and thoroughly makes moves on his own accords. and if he offered that apology, which he did, it was definitely one that was genuine and definitely one that he intended and intentionally made. so big kudos to him for recognizing those biases and recognizing the misspeak and trying to clarify that. ly say this. it is not up to shhei ohtani to market himself. it is up to mlb and baseball to
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market him. he is a phenomenal player. he is babe ruth 2.0. and he does deserve to be one of the top-tier players in this league that we look at and we see. kids showed up to that all-star game on monday. and went they showed up, they showed up to see otani. they showed up to see him in the home run derby and he did not disappoint. they showed up to see him pitch and at bat. it's up to major league baseball to put their money where their mouth is and try to revolutionize this sport once again and make it once again america's pastime. it's not up to otani to do that. >> there was also an online auction where bids for a signed shohei ohtani jersey already way surpassed that of other players. on the other hand, i have to kind of remember that this is steven a. smith and it is kind of his job to be outspoken and
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indefatigable in his infallible. part of me feels like having watched steven a. smith over the years, that the apology almost had an undercurrent of, i'm sorry that you didn't understand that my name is steven a. smith and that i am right about things. i'm just not sure, miles, how to read this, considering that it's his job is to be a provocateur in some ways. >> well, listen, steven a. smith, we're all entertained by him, he's always saying things that are outrageous and outlandish, but it's fun to watch because it's high energy. when i watch sports caster, sometimes they've got to fill that air, fill the time. this is one of those things that in my opinion is just nonsensical. if you go back historically, even historically, roberto clemente. he was the biggest star on the
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dodgers. sammy sosa, he speaks english and i still don't know what he's saying. it's amazing. i'll be honest with you. let me tell you something, man, when i sigh otani hit the ball. i don't sit there and go, i wonder what speech he'll go afterwards. i'm really looking forward to his speech. no, he is fun to watch. as an iranian american, i'll do a shout-out to my fellow iranian, an iranian basketball player named hamad that hadadi that played for the memphis grizzlies. he was 7'2" and some memphis fan came up to him and with a big old southern accent said, hey, hadadi, i love you, you had a great game last night. and i turned to him and said, you know, you're doing more for world peace than a lot of politicians are. the world is big now. the kids love otani. i love otani.
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i'm an oakland as fan. he's on the angels. i love the guy. >> hold up, hold up, you're an as fan, and you have said anything positive about -- so he mixes sports metaphors, he speaks positively of the angels, even though he's an as fan. you might be off the shelf. with regards to marketability, i feel like there's a kernel inside of what steven a. smith has said that is worth unpacking. we've seen this debate going around a lot in the last few years. whether it's players and they're marketable, movies and tv shows, whether they're marketable. it used to be questionable whether a tv show with a plaque star or movie that was about the latin experience could be marketable around the world. whether a movie about the asian american experience. "parasite," a movie that's not entirely in english, could be successful. and i feel like marketability is
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kind of a shorthand for consumer laziness. it's right in the center of your existing field of vision, and we don't have to get you to look at anything new to accept that. i think that's the code underneath what we're seeing when we say, oh, something's marketable. you're already looking in that direction and we don't have to do anymore work. >> she's on mute. >> rena, i think you might be muted. we can't quite hear you. >> excuse me -- >> there you go. >> i think we're having a few more technical issues. let me bring it back to tarika. we'll iron out whatever is keeping us from hearing you. tarika, what about that? in terms of marketability being a shorthand for a little bit of consumer laziness, of not having to heighten your sights or not look at something you're not already seeing. >> i think there's definitely some merit to that. i think one of the things that we do as consumers is, we want
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to see more of what we're already looking at. and anytime you give us something different, we're kind of like, uh. and the problem with that is, sometimes these leagues that have the ability to make anywhere and everyone a superstar, they miss that point that you need to continue to give us the goods. some of the biggest names we know in women's basketball is because they're continually put in our face. when you give us something different, and we're like, oh, what's that, we begin to attach ourselves to it like we saw last year in a bubble, hey, now there's this product that's coming on mainstream and regular tv, and at times and hours that we're willing to consume. it's coming on right after the nba. so now you're starting to see this year, the numbers are increase. i would like to give the mlb that same challenge. you can't just have the same person, the same name, the same old guy. here's something new, here's something fresh. put that in front of the people and let's move with it.
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it's been a tough week for movie theaters, as they continue to feel the pressure of covid-19. movie theater cinemark, amc, imax, and the marcus corporation all saw their shares fall. meanwhile, the walt disney movie stock went up this week. the black widow movie debuted to over $218 million. so after a year behind closed doors, more than a year, really, will movie theater popcorn and the silver screen become a distant memory? our saturday knight panel is back. maz jobrani, tarika foster, and
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rena shah. does anybody remember, by the way -- have any of y'all seen a movie recently in an actual brick and mortar movie theater? a long time since you saw one. can anyone remember the last movie they saw in a theater, a theater, theater. >> "gone with the wind." >> "gone with the wind"? boy. i think my last one was -- i think my last one was "a beautiful day in the neighborhood," which was like late 2019. the tom hanks movie about mr. rogers, which made everybody cry including me. i think it was my last one. rena, i promised i would start back with you. what do you think about the movie experience now? are you willing to go back to the movies? you know, what would it take to get you back in the theater? >> i would be remiss if i didn't add that i have two kids under the age of 5, so the fact that i can hit pause is so huge in my life.
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the fact that i can turn it on, turn it off, and get access without having to sit in a crowded room with a bunch of strangers and feel something, it's great. the price of home theaters have gone down, too. so i'll be honest, it's been almost exciting to see how many options i have at home compared to having to go to one of these major movie theaters. but i was kind of excited in the aftermath of last year, especially, you've had these anti-racist upheavals across the country, how would these movie theaters respond, hyperlocally. i'm in the suburbs of washington, d.c. and i was hoping that they would get really hyper local and respond to what my community wanted. but i haven't really seen that across the country at all. i've visited my cousins in new jersey and i haven't seen that feeling of getting hyperlocal. if they want to survive these retailers, these major movie theaters, they've got towns what their audiences want.
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in the meantime, i'm going to stay at home and keep hitting pause and play. >> i think rena is getting on something in terms of the movie experience. kara swisher basically kind of agreed with rena, we're comfortable at home and not going back. but i think the way people thought radio and television companies thought they were going to destroy theater. they didn't destroy theater, they destroyed vaudeville. i wonder if this could end up being as a cleansing moment, where we finally have a reckoning for all the crap that ruins going to the movies for us. that gets washed away and the things that serve us well have a chance to stick around. >> we were headed in this direction before the pandemic. people were going to see the big action movies, but a lot of the movies you watch at home, i just watched "black widow" at the house and it's two hours long,
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and it's 49. about an hour in, i was like, i'll see the rest tomorrow or the next day when i have energy. >> you don't have enough energy to watch an action movie with scarlett johansson swinging from things, really? i'm losing respect. i'm losing respect. >> i've got two kids, i've got a dog. listen, i tell you one thing. the movies you've got to go see in the theaters are "the fast and the furious"-type movies, which i'm not a fan of, but if they do a final fast and furious and call it "slow and pleasant," i'll go watch it in a theater. >> you want to talk about marketability. man, i'm through with you. tarika, what about you? what about the future of the movies? is there anything that they could do to draw you back? or are you eager to get back into seeing movies in the theater again? >> i actually used to work at the movie theater in high school. i am not at all in a rush to go back to a movie theater, but i
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do miss movie theater popcorn. and now dollar tree as this bag of popcorn that is awesome. now they don't even have that to win makeover anymore. i have dolby digital at home, the big screen at home, and now i have $1 popcorn instead of $8 popcorn. there's no way i'm going back into a theater again. >> and you also probably have some of the stories of having worked in a movie theater and seeing everything behind the scenes. that's in there too. >> facts. that is totally facts. there are so many things that happen in a movie theater that i shall not share on msnbc. however, we are not going back to a movie theater. i'm not in a rush. >> see, now i want to know. >> i've got to say, i don't miss the sticky floors. those sticky floors are the worst. >> yes! >> definitely. >> you know what, there are a lot of movies i want to see in the theater. i'm kind of at the point where i'm like, i would pay extra for a luxury ticket, like one of those fancy-schmancy tickets just to make sure i have the experience i want. and i don't have to deal with all that other stuff.
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if i'm going to go out to the movies -- it's like going to a broadway show and the floors are sticky. the show can be great, but you sit there, and every 20 minutes you move and you feel it kind of adhere. >> i do think 3-d, though -- >> yes, 3-d -- >> 3-d, too. 3-d will get us back in the theaters. because i can't do 3-d at home. so that'll do it. >> and when that happens, when they find a way to make an oculus headset that will do a 3-d movie, we'll have to have this conversation all over again. but i would be glad to have it all over again with miles, tarika, and rena, so glad y'all made time for us tonight. thank you so much. coming up, we are learning of the first confirmed covid-19 case in tokyo's olympic village, less than a week from the opening ceremony. we'll tell you what organizers are saying about that, when we come back. ganizers are saying about that, when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪
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the tokyo olympics are a week away, but unlike past olympiads, many of the headlines are not strictly about the games. this week, we learned that britain's women's soccer team plans to take a knee before kickoff. the international olympic committee recently relaxed its rules to allow such gestures on the field. britain's head coach says they're protesting discrimination and inequality. also today, someone tested positive for covid. nbc's tom llamas has more on that. >> reporter: a roster shake up for team usa's men basketball team. nba star bradley biel not traveling to tokyo after being placed in covid protocols. >> ins he was a little kid, this has been dream of his and he was playing great. so for him and for his family and immediate family, it's devastating. so we just feel horrible about
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it. >> back to jeremy -- >> reporter: a second player, jeremy grant from the detroit pistons also now being monitored. and in tokyo, a new wave of infections is troubling health officials. several staff members at a hotel tested positive for covid. the same hotel where a brazilian delegation is staying. and somehow, an olympic athlete in quarantine tested positive for covid. but despite all of that, the despite is still building for these games and we're getting our first look at one of the most high-profile venues. his the tokyo aquatic center. this is where legends are going to be made during these games. in that pool right there, the team usa will be going for the gold. from the pool to the field, the usa softball team already practicing in japan. outfielder hailey mccleany telling us about the unique experience, living inside the olympic village. >> you walk out of your door,
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you immediately grab a mask, and in the dining hall, one of the biggest places to meet new people, your set-up is plexiglas dividers in between every single seat. >> reporter: and good news for tennis fans, novak djokovic, ranked number one in the world and fresh off a wimbledon victory announcing on twitter in a birthday message to one of his japanese fans, he will be competing in tokyo, keeping his chances live for the first ever men's golden slam. a grand slam plus a gold medal. >> that was nbc's tom llamas reporting. this week, msnbc is celebrating its 25th anniversary. up next, some of the things we've covered, what it's meant to its audience, and how it's changed my life. to its audience, and how it's changed my life. (burke) nothing. (customer) nothing? (burke) nothing. (customer) nothing? (burke) nothing. (customer) hmm, that is really something. (burke) you get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. see ya.
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ugh, these balls are moist. or is that the damp weight of self-awareness you now hold in your hand? yeah-h-h. (laugh) keep your downstairs dry with gold bond body powder. it's a funny thing about broadcasting. no matter how big the network is, we are all still making it up as we go along. every day brings the unpredictable, including 25 years ago today. on this date in 1996, twa flight 800 crashed off the coast of long island, new york, en route to paris. investigators would eventually determine that an electrical failure caused an explosion in the center wing fuel tank. twa 800 crashed just two days after this network went on the air. brian williams was among the anchors who covered it, but because we were so new, the graphics systems to make maps were not quite ready, so we used a map book for the back of
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someone's truck and did the best we could. this week is msnbc's 25th anniversary. it launched at 9:00 a.m. eastern on july 15th, 1996. >> we're making a little news of our own today with the launch of msnbc, news and information 24 hours a day. join us here on cable and connect with us at our own website, msnbc on the internet. you'll find it at msnbc.com. every day, we'll take the top stories and cover them in depth, bringing you context and perspective using the worldwide perspective using the worldwide resources of nbc news and microsoft. >> like looking back through a time machine, doesn't it? looks dated now, including those non-flat-screen monitors. fox went on the news that call. they were clearly the new kinds trying to get noticed. but something about msnbc appealed to me.
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that focus on interactivity through its partnership with microsoft. msnbc's first slogan stuck with me. perfect for a new era of interactivity. it's time to get connected. that's what this network relies on. your connection, first to cable, and then the internet, but mainly to us. beyond that, mean, it just looks really slick. the open floor plan, red brick design, glass walls etched like circuit boards. and the desk was round. i know it sounds like nothing, but in my teenaged mind, anchor desks were flat, the networks were flat too. but not this one. i joined this network last february. in that short time it has amazed me how symmetrical things have been to the very beginnings of msnbc. remember how the network started right off the bat with a huge news story? twa flight 800.
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my time here started with special coverage of covid, just a few weeks after i got here. and on the debut broadcast of "the week" we had to rebuild much of our rundown to cover the death of supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg. that was night one. flight 800 raised questions about airline safety and speculation over whether the plane was shot down. the ntsb said the flight was not attacked or anything like that. but that did not prevent a lot of conspiracy theories, rumors, and outright hoaxes from circulating. because the web was still so new to most people, it was hard to wrangle and debunk. one scholar refers to it as the first conspiracy of the internet age. if only it could have been the last. but we know what has happened since. among other things, cable news has become a thing, a major political player in american culture. just in the last few days, there have been a number of long reads about fox news host tucker carlson. he has the most-watched show on cable news with well over 3 million viewers a night.
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this is the part where i could easily get negative about what his success and influence could mean for our future. not just msnbc's future, but america's future. but let's keep this in some perspective. do you know who people today watch more than tucker carlson? lester holt. an alumnus of msnbc and one of the most trusted anchors in america. just look at the recent ratings. remember i said that tucker carlson gets more than 3 million viewers a night? "nbc nightly news" gets about 6.5 million. in fact, when you take out sporting events or syndicated shows, "nightly" has been one of the top three shows in all television. mr. carlson is influential. but he is hardly the only one with the nation's attention. at least plenty of reason for concern but not at the expense of our confidence or our hope. and there's always reason for hope. my biggest reason is you. msnbc debuted with an interview
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between president clinton and tom brokaw. "the new york times" found it unremarkable, noting that the president answered questions submitted online. but that was exactly the remarkable thing. we were able to connect with you from day one. and we've been connecting ever since. that was one of my first duties here, help connect you to reliable, trustworthy information about covid. i put together an inbox for your questions, talk@msnbc.com. that made me know i was in the right place. a network where i could succeed not just by saying what i wanted to say but by elevating what you had to say. i can think of no higher honor than that. if we want to build a better america, if we want to impact our world for good, if we want to see this network continue to thrive, if we want to have any place in your life as conventional television gives way to streaming platforms, then that old motto must become our mantra.
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it is time to get connected. now like never before, in deep and meaningful ways. and it's way past time to disconnect from the cynicism and pessimism over our future as if the opportunities before us are long shots. we have been shaping the future since we were born. we don't really know how to do anything else. so happy birthday, msnbc. i'm so grateful i got to grow up with you in my life. here is to many more years of making it up as we go along. and making it better than ever. with that said, we would love to hear from you. what is your favorite msnbc memory? maybe you're a long time viewer. maybe you just started watching recently on cable or online. perhaps you used to work here. either way, share your stories, feel free to include a picture. email us, theweek@msnbc.com.
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reach out to us on twitter or instagram. however you reach out, be sure to include your name and where you live. we'll share some of your stories and pictures tomorrow. thank you as always for making time for us. check us out on twitter and tiktok, at instagram. we'll post information on guests and highlights from our show and we'll look out for your comments as well. come on back tomorrow night for "the mehdi hasan show" at 8:00 p.m. eastern. senator alex padilla will discuss his opposition to the filibuster and the urgent need to president-elect democracy. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. as jane pauly used to say on her show "time and again," we're history. good night. why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. (vo) conventional thinking doesn't disrupt the status quo.
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