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dangerous lies. breakthrough covid cases surface within their ranks. january 6th, extremism, and white supremacy. new court documents that thread together all three. family matters. while the child tax credit is a huge deal and congresswoman hewell began goes further. flooding of biblical portions in europe fueled by climate change. what can be done to save the only home we've got? this is "american voices." dangerous lies about the 2020 election are paving the path to attacks on our democracy. for evidence, look no further than texas. some texas state democrats are in washington, d.c., working to prevent republicans from passing a restrictive voting bill.
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and in a long-shot bid to get them back, the texas house speaker, a republican, put a jet on standby, offering those democrats a free ride home. as you can guess, they said thanks, but no thanks. and then there's the so-called audit in arizona's maricopa county that continues with no end in sight. no reporting from the associated press finds only four singular cases of voter fraud in arizona. the a.p. also reports two men have been plotting to blow up the democratic headquarters in sacramento. they discussed their plans through several messaging apps according to a.p., one message reading, quote, after the 20th, we go to war. their hope, according to the reporting, was to ignite a movement, a movement based on that big lie a lie that continues. this weekend we're learning more about how that came to be, taking shape on election night when trump falsely claimed victory. "the washington post" published excerpts of a new book by philip rucker and carol leonnig titled
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"i alone can fix it." through their sources, they detail trump's attempt to stay in the white house, revealing ha when a many assumed that one of trump's biggest and loudest enablers that final year, rudy giuliani. one excerpt reading, quote, giuliani pushed the president to step into the east room and deliver a victory speech. never mind that his chief of staff mark meadows earlier snapped at giuliani and said the president couldn't just declare himself the winner. just go declare victory right now, giuliani told trump. you've got to go declare victory now. you can bet republicans will run on trump's big lie in the 2022 midterms. telling the gop base an absurd, lured, emotionally charged fiction is central to gop midterm hopes. the trump era represented an idyllic age that has been torn asunder from republican voters who in their fury, depravation,
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should storm out to avenge it all. how dangerous is donald trump's republican party despite losing fair and square? joining us now though discuss, msnbc contributor and "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg and megyn malloy, director of republican women for progress. megan, haze brown writes about those close to trump speaking out now to journalists instead of voicing concerns publicly. brown writes, quote, time and again the political creatures in trump's orbit kept silent until it was too late to do anything. i'm still fuming over former national security adviser button bolton not testifying, only to confirm it was all true in his tell-all book released a year later. similarly, it seems like maybe a lot of the information provided off the record in these books might have been useful for senators in the second impeachment trial. on the flip side, we see gop
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lawmakers like kevin mccarthy once again embrace trump after criticizing his role in the insurrection. so how does the pro-democracy wing of the gop, if there still is one, fight against this complicity, and at worst, fight back against those white washing what happened on january 6th, megan? >> yeah, well, i think, you know, to these books specifically, there's a couple of really interesting things about them and about their timing. you know, this most recent book you referenced titled "i alone can fix it" is a direct quote from his speech. you know, yes these books are late to the game, but we knew this coming into it. the republican party and all of trump's people continued to ignore it. right now kevin mccarthy doesn't really have another choice, you
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know. he's been trying to be speaker of the house for so long and he's failed. so he sees donald trump as someone who is currently fundraising better than other republicans. he's better connected to the base than other republicans and kevin sees it as a vital lifeline. the only thing that's really going to change this, and this has been the million-dollar question for these republicans, is to have some sort of political or electoral consequence despite this kind of trumpism of the party taking over. they still picked up seats in 2020, and they kept the sonata 50/50 split. so until there are real election losses, you know, i think that they're going to continue to see trump as a winning campaign strategy. >> yeah. michelle, no flowers for the people who are coming forward now, but the reason that we're pulling up that reporting and showcasing it is in some ways it presents this potential alternate reality where trump doesn't listen to giuliani and doesn't go out there and declare
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victory and we're potentially not now dealing with the long tail tore hangover of the trump administration and contending with a big lie that is now showing up in states across this country, showing up at the federal level. i mean, michelle, i think it is easy to draw line between that moment and where we find ourselves today. >> of course it is. and i would just say, i don't think there is at this point a pro-democracy wing of the gop, right? there are a couple of holdouts. there's liz cheney, adam kinzinger, but you can count them on one hand, maybe two if you're talking about state legislators as well. the gop is a wholly owned subsidiary of his fascistic base. i can't imagine -- actually, i
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should say -- because there were people who were, i think, blinkered enough to assume that donald trump would leave willingly if and when he lost the election. but anybody who watched him closely knew otherwise. michael cohen warned as much when he testified before congress. you know, donald trump signaled over and over again he didn't accept the results of the 2016 election, which he technically won, even though he lost the popular vote. and so i think that we are very, very far down an extraordinarily perilous road, and there are no -- you know, the biggest and maybe most destructive fantasy of the trump years was the fantasy of the adults in the room, the idea that there were people who were going to somehow restrain him, who were going to somehow stop him from wreaking too much havoc. those people always showed up in, you know, later reporting to kind of tell reporters that they had -- even though they had been
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there, they were secretly working for the good of the country, not for the good of donald trump. but that had never been true. all those adults in the room did was legitimatize the most destructive presidency in american history. >> right. megan, if there was a fantasy of adults in the room, maybe there was a fantasy of adults in the republican party because we see the trump loyalty test play out in the states. you have gop leaders endorsing primary challenges in favor of trumpian candidates. where does that leave the party? >> in a really bad place. you know, i did start to see a little bit of a light when the most recent campaign fundraising numbers came out earlier this week. you know, there have been a handful of candidates, primary challengers that trump endorsed that weren't doing as well as the more moderate, the less pro-trump republicans that are running in those races. i think there is potentially some light at the end of the tunnel as one who is still a registered republican, i think if we're going to have a functional democracy, you need
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tw good, strong parties and right now we don't have a strong republican party, one that is just this party of trump. so, you know, we keep thinking that this is going to turn around, but with meetings kevin mccarthy is having with trump and so many the republicans, elise stefanik hitching their wagon back to trump, it's going to be tricky. as i said, you know, until we have some real consequences, which we may have in 2022, you know, they're going to continue on down this trump train. >> right. so michelle, barring those consequences or putting those consequences aside, there then comes this question of what democrats, progressives are supposed to do in the interim. earlier this week president biden gave a speech about protecting the ballot box. but david graham with the "atlantic" says biden spoke to an american that doesn't exist. he says biden's speech assumes a unified american people who support democratic norms, and it
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assumes that once they understand the threat posed to those norms, they'll be willing and able to fend it off. that nation -- many americans support these attacks on democracy, and those who don't face a system stacked against them. michelle, i wonder what you make of that analysis. everyone agrees this is incredibly hard to message on because it should seem obvious that democracy is at stake here and yet it doesn't seem to be that simple. >> well, so i would disagree slightly in that i think that those americans who see the deck stacked against them do represent a very slight majority. right? they don't represent all of the country by any means, but they do represent -- they certainly represent a larger slice of the country than those who would burn our democracy to the ground if it means that people like donald trump can't rule it. the problem, as david graham said, is that our system at multiple levels is stacked
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against majority rule. you know, the threats to democracy are growing both in terms of just demographically as the distance between the most populous states and the least populous states grows because of gerrymandering, which could hand the house back to the republicans, even if they don't win any more votes than they won the last time around, and because of these voting restriction measures, voter intimidation measures. one of the most, i think, egregious parts of this proposed texas bill is that it would allow anybody to act as poll watchers and harass people who are going to the polls. i mean, imagine a bunch of armed proud boys or armed three percenters or sort of qanon fanatics hanging out at the polling place harassing people as they come in and having nothing that the law can do about it. >> i don't think anybody wants
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to imagine that, michelle, and yet you're right to set those is the stakes. thank you both so much. next, new court documents revealing an unmistakable link between the january 6th attack and white supremacy. jill wine-banks helps us make sense of it all as she always does. a huge moment for the biden agenda. millions are receiving the child tax credit. my thoughts on why this is truly transformational for american families. first to richard lui tracking the other big stories of the hour. >> a very good saturday to you. three fully vaccinated texas democrats visiting washington, d.c., tested positive for covid-19. two of them met with the vice president tuesday. a short time ago the vice president's office saying based on the time line, harris nor her staff are at risk. new york's governor met today for an interview with lawyers leading the attorney general's investigation of sexual harassment allegations against the governor. former staff members accused andrew cuomo of inappropriate comments and touching. the governor denied touching anyone inappropriately but said
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. in washington today, protesters gathered to deny the event of january 6th. demonstrators, some traveling from as far as idaho marched outside the jail where accused reuters are detained. completely fueled by disinformation, they explain their demands to scott mcfarland. >> you can see the videos. they're walking inside the velvet rope looking around holding up their cameras. these are not violent people,
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most of them. >> some of them were knocking police unconscious, punching, gassing. >> yep. and the allegation that a police was struck by the fire extinguisher was made and it's never been substantiated. that's why i didn't trust any of it. >> all of that, of course, not true. meanwhile, 16 members of a white supremacist group have been indicted for extreme violence unrelated to the events of january 6th. two men have been charged with planning to bomb democratic headquarters in sacramento, california. joining is jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor and cohost of the sister-in-laws podcast. "the washington post" says prosecutors are asking for 18
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months for one count of obstructing congress. >> given the number of cases that are pending, we're talking hundreds of people who've been arrested and will be charged. even the first one means that it is a precedent-setting thing. jail seems to be necessary. not just to send a message to all the other potential insurrectionists, but to keep us safe in the short term. so i think that 18 months seems like a very fair and actually lenient sentence. these are felonies that could end up causing someone to be found incarcerateble for up to three to five years. the misdemeanor is will be lesser penalties, but 18 months seems to be within the sentencing guidelines and is a good thing for the prosecutors to be asking for to protect all
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of us from future possible insurrections. >> ryan, you reported on a right there released from jail because he didn't know difference between the capitol and the white house. >> yes. it's going to be an ongoing theme here. there was an individual who was confused between the house and the senate but that wasn't quite as bad as some of the people who thought they were at the white house when they were o at the capitol. it wouldn't make sense for them to storm the white house that was controlled by trump at that point. it just, like -- when you look at the actually -- the rhetoric these people were using, they didn't have a very deep understanding how the electoral process necessarily worked in a lot of cases. weren't really, like, deep in the weeds here. so i think it's just something to keep in mind when we hear these claims. the paul hodgkin's sentencing tomorrow will be very important because his lawyer has made a
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really interesting argument saying basically that the judge should take a lead from abraham lincoln, at least what abraham lincoln planned to do after the civil war and sort of forgive the confederates against america. he's putting his client in the position of confederates in this case, but that's what they're asking him to do. they're saying that to bring the country together, to unite, they're asking the judge to have some leniency, and that's a fascinating argument. it will be interesting to see how the judge hears that out. it's a political argument, not based on the laws saying, hey, this is a political thing and a lot of people will be upset if you throw the book at this guy. >> jill, i would of course love to hear your thoughts on that argument, but i also want to ask you. msnbc obtained excerpts from the book "i alone request can fix
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it" revealing that he would consider pardoning himself after the capitol riot. could this book become evidence in the lawsuits against trump? >> not so much the book as people who said these things. they could be witnesses. you know, as a former general counsel of the army, i am completely trusting of the military people who would not follow an illegal order, would not participate in a coup against the united states. as to the argument that's being made that forgive them just lincoln might have forgiven the people who fought against the united states, we're in a very different situation where you need to make sure that this doesn't happen again. there hasn't been a war that was ended and sort of a treaty signed and somebody conceded the loss. this is an ongoing problem.
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you mentioned the sacramento people. this is another issue. and again, they're being held in jail on serious, serious federal and state charges. and in order to stop this from happening in every state in our country, we need to send a message that this will not be tolerated and we can't just let people off because they were mistaken. to me, it's ludicrous to say i thought i was in the white house. it doesn't matter. you were using violent means to enter a place that you were not supposed to be, and you can't allow that to happen. when you're beating up the capitol police, which is on tape, despite the man that was shown in the interview on your show, you need to keep that in mind. we saw it happen. don't forget what we all saw with our own eyes. >> ryan, speaking of what we all saw happen, the select committee on january 6th is going to hold its first meeting in ten days.
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it's going to be testimony from metropolitan and capitol police officers. how much of this is about setting the record straight, and how much of it is actually about accountability? >> yeah. i mean, i think the record is based on a lot of these videos that are being released. body-worn cameras from the metropolitan police department that are being used in a lot of these cases. what they put out so far is sfrooz detention hearings. i would encourage viewers to look at those videos because you see starkly what happened that day. a lot of these videos now are generating new leads for online sleuths looking around for a lot of -- who are sort of zpolg trying to track down a lot of these people who participated in the attack that day. they'll see someone in a new video and they'll be able to flag that. as the government releases more of these videos, the outside organizations that are working on this are able to make a lot more connections because the
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government is clearly struggling with the overwhelming nature of this case. it's a massive investigation. it will one of the largest investigations if not the largest fbi investigation in terms of number of defendants charged, certainly, and the extent we have. certainly through 2020, 2024 it will also continue to be an issue. this will be around for a long time. it will be reshaping american politics for a long time to come. >> before we go, i have to ask you which pin you chose for today and what the says about the stories we're talking about. >> it's directly related to the stories you're talking about, which is they are go to jail, go directly to jail, do not stop anywhere else. they're basically monopoly squares that were sent to me and reflect what i think the proper sentences should be for all of the domestic terrorists that are attacking our country right now and trying to undermine our democracy.
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>> all right. ryan and jill, thank you both. we have breaking news from the city of spring, texas. officials there confirming moments ago that 60 people were exposed to chemical at a children's pool at the six flags splash town. all 60 were decontaminated. 26 were taken to the hospital. we are told all are in stable condition. we'll bring you developments as we learn them. still ahead, the effects of climate change before our very yiechlz you'll hear from two scientists on why this moment reveals a crisis of leadership in america. in miami there's a growing show of solidarity for cubans fighting against dictatorship. stay with us. the rule in business used to be, "location, location, location." now it's, "network, network, network."
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the organizers say this was taken from inside during the protests and it shows police violence. many people here, of course, are supporting residents inside cuba. they are calling for a regime change. cubans, as you know, took to the streets in a rare move, protesting earlier this week. that is that has what should this entire movement here in miami. those residents in cuba say they're suffering, they can't get basics like food and medicine. many here today say after more than 60 years, it's time to end the cuban regime. >> we are cubans. we say that to you for a long time ago. open your eyes, okay? it's time. freedom for cuba. >> well, i remember that we had to leave because friends and family were being sent to the firing squad, houses were being confiscated, communism was taking over, and that's the reason so many cubans left. >> my dad broke into the u.s.
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embassy, him and 21 others, broke into the u.s. embassy. we decided to ask for help and they helped us. my, my sister, and my mom ended up here in the united states because of the u.s. government. >> reporter: and back out here live, this event is being organized by cuba american actor, singer, song writer john carlos canela along with other activists including willie torino. these videos are quite compelling. they are, according to organizers, some pictures, sights and sounds of what is happening in cuba. this event is expected to go until 8:30 local time a which point they will light up the tower in red white and blue in honor of the cuban flag.
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the freedom tower is very important to the cuban people. it is called the ellis island of the south. back in the '60s and '70s, this is where a lot of cuban immigrants came to get help once they fled cuba. back then they were part of the resistance and fleeing communism under fidel castro. >> stephanie, thank you so much. a transformative moment for americans. why the child tax credit is more than just good policy. later, scorching heat, raging fires, all fueled by climate change. two women fighting for real-world solutions will join me. how do you know which brand you can trust? with subaru, you get kelley blue book's most trusted brand winner, seven years in a row. in fact, subaru has won most trusted brand for more consecutive years than any other brand. no wonder kelley blue book also picked subaru as their best overall brand.
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probably heard people talk about the child tax credit for americans with children. the question now is how do the democrats make that permit. estimates suggest that, together with other elements of the american rescue plan, it could cut child poverty in half across america. we are talking about lifting some 4 million kids out of poverty. as monthly payments are included into threw fight the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic. on thursday as monthly checks started to roll out, the president championed the legislation. >> i believe this is actually a historic day, historic day in the sense that if we continue to build an economy that respects and recognizes the dignity of working class families and middle class families. it's historic and another step to ending child poverty in america. i think this will be one of the things the vice president and i will be most proud of when our terms are up. >> so how much money are we
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actually talking about? most families will receive $300 for each child 5 and under. $250 each month for children 6 to 17. the payments apply to single parents earning as much as $112,000 a year a couples making up to $150,000. families will claim the second half of the benefit when they file next year's taxes. altogether it's a total of $3,600 for each kid 5 and under and $3,000 with kids between 6 and 17. okay, i just stlu a lot of numbers at you, but the big takeaway is how it helps families the most. the tax credit that makes sense policy created during the clint administration. "the atlantic" writes the child tax credit is a clinton-era policy that of late has provided families with up to $2,000 a year per child. because of the way the credit was structured, the poorest families rarely got the full
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amount and often got nothing because they did not earn enough. a reminder, these monthly payments expire in december and president biden is urging congress to extend them by at least four years. congresswoman susan dell bene told criticizing melvin it should be permanent. >> kids don't grow up in a year or five years. we need to make this permanent. when we talk to families across the country, that story will continue to be told about how important this is to not only help families and rebuild our middle class, but, frankly, to lift children out of poverty. >> you heard president biden say this policy could be one of his proudest accomplishments as president, but in order to build back better for years to come, american families need a permanent solution, which brings me to congresswoman chrissy houlahan who has a plan for that and more. we're back after this.
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and to give you a sense of how transformative this is, this would be the largest ever one-year decrease in child poverty in the history of the united states of america. as we begin now, historic reductions of poverty, it's not even close.
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the benefits will be felt for years. >> the president there touting his administration's expansion of the child tax credit for most american families with children. however, the monthly payments expire at the end of the year. among the congressional democrats pushing to make them permanent, pennsylvania representative chrissy houlahan. as the payments start hitting bank accounts, families add this income to their budget, so many are wondering if these payments are going to continue. your sense of what is going to be necessary to ensure this policy becomes permanent? >> first of all, thank you for having me. in terms of the child tax credit, i'm hopeful that people will appreciate these tax credits, which i think will help elevate hundreds of millions of american children and their families. and i hope that they'll receive that tax credit and realize that this is something that elevates their family, but also, frankly, elevates our society and our country as well. so i'm hoping it will be a push
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for the american people and i hope the push happening within congress will be successful and we'll be able to make the tax credits permanent. >> we're talking about this as one piece of it. you of course are also fighting for paid family and medical leave as a part of this debate over infrastructure. tell me how you see those two policies connecting. >> sure. so what we saw with the pandemic, i think, very much first hand and with very much fresh eyes was just how important the care economy is and the care community and caregivers of our nation are. we saw that without them we really struggled to be effective and functioning families, communities, and a nation. what we're hoping is that we have the opportunity now with the infrastructure package and the subsequent family and jobs packages to codify this concept of family and medical leave to make sure that everyone that see opportunity to have access to
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that kind of leave. right now it's estimated that 79% of our workers don't have access to paid family leave. and i think it's estimated that 60% of our workers don't have access to medical leave either. and these are things that are fundamental to being able to be a successful worker and a successful member of the family. and so i'm hopeful that in whatever package we're able to put this into that we're able to take a very large coalition and make this a reality. >> i keep circling back to the same point and i'm sure viewers who watch every weekend are growing tired of hearing me say this, but i feel it so deeply that i got to underscore it. coming out of a global pandemic, right, where people were forced -- if they were able to keep their jobs, to also be caretakers in tandem, whether caretakers of children or parents, where we saw our child care industry -- there's a reason that analysts called it a failed market. it is not working for the child
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care providers. it is not working for parents. i mean, all of this was exposed and laid bare. you would think if there's not the political will to do this in this moment, that there may never be. >> and i'm hoping that there is the political will. it certainly is popular with the american people, and i think the american people recognize how important this is. i and about 80 other members of my caucus were able to put together a letter emphasizing the importance of paid family and medical leave in whatever subsequent packages we're moving forward on, and that's a broad and vast coalition that has been led by our chairwoman for a long time. now because of the pandemic might be the chance and the opportunity that we have to be able to build a much more robust and much more inclusive economy that works for everyone. i think that's been something i hope we've all seen with the pandemic. what we see right now is that women in the workplace are at a 30-year low in terms of our
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ability to participate, and family and medical leave is not just a women's issue, but it is a family issue as well. so this is something that i think whose time as come if you're building an entire economy inclusive of everyone, you need to include 51% of the population, which are the population that are women. and so i'm hopeful that we have the opportunity to catch lightning in a bottle right now and make this a reality. >> all right. congresswoman houlahan, thank you so much for your time tonight. next, why would weather before our very eyes. the result of a changing climate. two women working to address the leadership crisis they say caused it. they're here next.
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it's wireless so good, it keeps one upping itself. the effects of climate change are before us and look like an apocalyptic nightmare. in western europe, floods not seen in hundred of years have killed important than 100 people. in the western u.s. there's high heat in the forecast as fires burn through areas larger than some states. take the bootleg fire that burns area larger than central park each hour. it is so hot in california officials there are warning the heat could kill all of the salmon in the sacramento river. what were once exceptional, once-in-a-lifetime events are now normal, making clear the denial stage of climate change over. joining me elizabeth johnson and kalgt rin wilson, co-founders of the all you can save project and
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co-authors of "all we can save" which is available in paperback. go out and get that. the fires ripping through areas larger than some u.s. states, i both wonder how they are connected and how common they're going to become? >> i don't think anyone really expected it to all be shifting this dramatically this quickly. i think a lot of us have been expecting this, but the way it is all crashing down right now has even scientists who have been studying this a little bit like, oh, wow, okay, it is here now. so the question is what are we going to do about it now that we have people's attention, now has it is clear that the crisis is coming for all of us, right? if germany with its renowned infrastructure can't handle these changes, if the western u.s. is on fire, if we have droughts and floods and hurricanes and all of it, the question is what do we do and
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how do we get more and more people to feel welcomed into this work and finding their roles. that is what catherine and i have been working on through this book "all we can save," which is an anthology of essays by 40 women who are climate leaders talking about their work and the lessons there and ways people can be part of climate solutions. >> i do want to ask you about how you bring more women, how you bring more communities of color into this conversation. but i also have to say, dr. wilkinson, it seems like we moved pretty rapidly from talking about climate change as this thing that was out there, that was going to happen, that we are going to see the effects one day to already talking about just how we begin to build our lives around this reality. how should people be thinking about this? >> well, the sub title of the book is "truth, courage and solutions." i think that's a really helpful trifecta for people to hold because the truth is you are absolutely right. climate crisis is here. it is now, it is impacting lives
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in communities. we have to figure out how we're going to live with that and take care of one another, but we also have got to figure out how we're going to address the root causes, namely to transition from the fossil fuel economy. that means we have got to be thinking about more than reusable grocery bags and changing our light bulbs. we need to be thinking about big investments from the government at the scale of the crisis. that's why if folks are asking the question that so many people are of what can i do, right now one of the best things you can do in this country is to go to callforclimate.com and it will walk you through calling your senators and asking them to support a big, bold climate bill this summer. that is the most critical solution on the table right now. >> i mean, dr. johnson, there are a lot of people we could have talked to for this segment. the reason i wanted to talk to you and to dr. wilkinson is because you are focused on just that. because i think it is easy to see the images and say, i am so
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freaked out i just want to look away, and that's the last thing we can afford to do. so to come back to the title of your book, to the work you both have been doing, how do you bring more women in and how do you bring more communities of color into this work? >> i think the really important fact to start with is that people of color actually already care more about the climate crisis. >> yes. >> they're more concerned per polling data from yale and george mason universities. about 49% of white americans compared to 57% of black americans and 70% of latinx americans. if we are talking about engaging people, it makes perfect sense to engage people already concerned about the issues, the percentage of americans who are outright climate deniers is a single digit. we can basically charge ahead without them at this point. we clearly are seeing these images. we know that we can't wait to have endless conversations about it. as catherine said, it is a moment for bold transformation. this is a moment where we need
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the full ingenuity and creativity, wisdom of humanity at the payable. and for the last few decades, for the last 35 or so years since we have known very clearly what burning fossil fuels was going to do to this planet, we've had the public discourse led by a fairly small group of white men who have done good work, many of them, but will never represent the full spectrum of solutions and creativity and opportunities and ways in which we are going to have to do this work, right, because this has to be transformation in every place, every single place on the globe is being impacted in different ways. it is going to have to be every sector that we are talking about energy and transportation and agriculture and land use and buildings and manufacturing, all of that needs to shift from fossil fuel-based to some form of regenerative economy. so to think we could do it without people of color, to think that we could somehow make this transformation without women is just absurd. for women in particular, katherine and i have been using
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this book, this anthology of essays and poems and art by women who are knowledgeable about climate to instigation this, to say look at the leaders we are missing, look at the wisdom that's been out there waiting for us to take heed. it is so important in this moment to focus on solutions and not just sit in the shock of what is happening in the world. so, as katherine said, on the policy table right now there's a huge opportunity for congress through not just the infrastructure bill but through reconciliation to pass the largest climate policy that has ever been passed in the u.s. if you go to call4climate.com, they will have information on how to reach out to your representatives that's super simple. that's what we need right now. we need our government to lead. >> doctors ayana elizabeth johnson and katherine wilkinson, i have been very impressed with
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this. you have given me the first glimmer of hope in a long time. the paperback version of their book, "all we can save, truth, courage and solutions for the climate crisis" comes out on july 20th. that's all the time i have today. i will see you back here tomorrow for more "american voices." but for now i hand it over to my colleague, joshua johnson. >> hey, alicia. thank you very much. it is great to be with you. texas democrats are in washington to press for action on voting rights but the clock is ticking on congress to take up president biden's infrastructure bills. is there room to do both? also, we are seeing unprecedented anti-government protests in cuba this week. demonstrators are facing a heavy police presence on the streets of havana. what led to these historic protests and what comes next? and new covid cases and hospitalizations are on the rise in nearly every state. dr. anthony fauci shares his thoughts on these worrisome trends. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "th

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