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we keep hearing like democracy, and democrats need to act like it and i still don't think they're acting like it. i'm glad president biden said something about it. we're not still moving enough, and still being delusional and why does he think that to save people, who are clearly devoted to the president, would ever act for the john lewis voting rights act? >> good morning, we have a lot to cover on the cross connection but we begin, with as you just saw, charlemagne, the guy who spoke with so many people who officially said talk is cheap mr. president. >> from coast to coast gop officials continued to introduce and pass laws that restrict voting access. and in response, biden gave a speech on tuesday that can effectively be translated as, please let the black and brown people vote. please. come on, guys. and look, i know a lot of you are say, hey, we can still have trump in office. look, i know that. there's plenty of blame to go
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around. let's not lose sight to the real enemy of democracy, the gop and nowhere is the gravity of the situation more evident than texas where democratic lawmakers are fugitives after bolting the lone star state to block a restrictive voting bill. all week they have been meeting with lawmakers in washington, d.c. including joe manchin. they met with vice president kamala harris. but without any kind of concrete action on the federal level, what good are these cute little meet and greets when this is what the lawmakers themselves are risking? >> once they step back in the state of texas they will be arrest and brought to the texas capital and we will be conducting business. >> joining me now is jasmine crocket, a texas state rep and a civil rights attorney and cliff algreet, co-founder and executive founder of black voters matter. jasmine, i want to begin with you. you are essentially a fugitive as we said in the open.
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how long can this last? you can't live your life this way and you cannot continue to risk arrest when you go home. what's your plan? >> yes, thanks so much, tiffany, for having me on this morning. i'd like to make sure that viewers know that my governor is a little dramatic. i am not a fugitive. besides doing civil rights work, i do criminal defense. i've not committed a crime by leaving the state as it relates to my official capacity as a state rep. the most that could happen is that i could be ushered back into the chamber. but no one has put me in cuffs, no one is going to take any photos of me for a lineup or booking photo or anything like that and if they do we will have a whole other issue on our hands for attempting to incarcerate me. you're right, we can't stay on the run forever. we are doing whatever we can within our power and we want people in texas to know that we're fighting for them. but we passed the baton. and right now, we need those on the federal level to fight for us.
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they are almost there. but they need to push it across the finish line. and that's what we're trying to employ them to do. >> you are trying your hardest to do that and cliff, i sense your frustration, my friend, i saw your tweet this week, when you effectively said, don't depend on organizers and activists for your legislative failures. and i love how you reference, this ain't the green mile. we are not bagger vance. i think that is such a goog point. considering who overwhelmingly delivering the power of government, to democrats, as someone who is on the front line, what sur expectation of the federal government and are they even trying to meet it? >> yes, thanks for having me, tiffany. i think charlemagne hit it exactly on the nose when he said the president gave a good speech but at the end of the day we're in the seeing the action. he can't reasonably think there is going to be ten republicans who will vote for voting rights and that's the one point where i disagree with charlemagne, i think he knows there are not ten republicans voting for voting
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righting. i think he is giving up on the idea of modifying it at the end of the day, the filibuster, and that's where the discussion is it, that's what the pressure has to be, and the best support, representative crocket and the texas voters and black and brown voters across the country, we have to put all of our efforts into ending this filibuster. you can't give a speech saying voter suppression is the worst since the civil war and an existential crisis and punctuate that speech by basically saying i'm not going to do anything with the filibuster. it is inconsistent. it's hypocritical. and we have to push hard and that's what we're doing throughout next week and the rest of the summer. >> it's a lot to ask of you. i will turn back to you, representative crocket because you guys are putting a lot on the line by doing this. and again, there's a lot of frustration, i hear the people, like, you know, don't be too mad at biden, we can have trump in office, we understand all of that, but we sit at the epicenter of political power. we deserve to make demands. what is your demand of the federal government?
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>> listen, tiffany, if we don't do something now,let me tell you, we won't have the majority. we will lose the majority in the house. we will lose the majority in the senate. right now we are at a 50-50 split. we only got there because people got out in georgia. and right now, it is the georgian space, doing everything they can in the middle of a pandemic to make it happen. we delivered the majorities. here's the reality. in texas, it's the complete opposite. the republicans have the house, they have the senate, and they also have the governor's mansion. and you see how far they're willing to go to do what's wrong. we're asking our lawmakers on the federal level that have the majority, in every single way, to just do their part, to make sure that they preserve democracy. this isn't even just about my state of texas. this is happening everywhere. and i'm telling you, you can mark my words, if we don't get this right, we will not have the majority in the senate. because republicans don't mind cheating to get what they want.
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we've seen that time and time again. we've seen their obstructionist behavior. and so i think that we should be pushing as strongly as possible. to make sure that we get something done. >> cliff, this is my fear, republicans will take the house, and the senate, they will kill the filibuster, in week one, and then good luck with passing any legislation. good luck with getting a black woman confirmed to the supreme court. this is the dire straits. i want you to take a listen to senator joe manchin after his meeting with the texas democrats. >> civil rights groups are asking for a carve-out for the filibuster for voting rights. is that something that you could support? >> well, the bottom line is we should be working together, on the whole, on basically the legislation that protects people's right to vote. that should be something that should be common sense. the people should have the right to vote. they should be secured and it should be accessible and it should be fair. >> are you getting republican
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support? >> we're getting some. we're getting there. >> we're getting there. let me tell you where he was last night at a fundraiser in texas hosted by who? republicans. how do we handle the manchin problem? because look, if he loses his seat, a republican takes it over, can we depend on getting someone else to flip the senate given the voter suppression laws? it feels like quite the catch-22. what's your thought, cliff? >> yes, i mean we have to keep putting pressure on manchin and we have to do that in terms of pointing out the hypocrisy, going to texas for that fundraiser, and have to support those groups that are in west virginia, the people, the 79% of whom support the for the people act. we got to continue to reach out to them and support them and help them put pressure on their senator but at the end of the day, we got to put pressure on joe biden. you cannot convince me that if joe biden came out as harshly as he came out against facebook, he told facebook that they're killing people, and if he came
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out on facebook in support of the filibuster and putting pressure on manchin, there is nothing that you can convince me that manchin won't eventually give up in the carrot or the stick, we need the president to lean in, we need to have him to have an lbj moment and right now he is having a rutherford b. hayes moment who is the president who ended reconstruction by pulling the troops out and saying black folks, you're on your own and that is what it feels like from a president in spift the passionate speech last week. we got to see it backed up to him leaning in and modifying and carving out a filibuster. there are not ten republicans, despite what joe manchin says, he keeps saying they're there, but he can never show them to us because they don't exist. >> we don't believe you. you need more people. and black folks are disproportionately impacted by these policies so i wonder if that is why there is some hesitancy to address how serious and dire the situation is. and the problem, after your meeting, with joe man chin, he says that the subject of the filibuster never came up, and that baffles me, how did you all
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talk for that time and nobody ever brought up filibuster? explain it to me. >> well, i want to be clear, i wasn't in that meeting. but i do know that, you know, no one wanted to go in on the attack. the reality is that we're asking for help, so going in and attacking someone, isn't really probably the best strategy, when you're trying to get somewhere. and my colleagues were trying to find out where is the issue, where is the rub? why can't we get there? and you know, on one hand, i really do respect manchin in the sense that he's basically saying i really want things to be bipartisan. honestly, i want things to be bipartisan as well. but that isn't where we are. right? the time of bipartisanship has gone astray. and so these laws that are being passed in georgia, and in texas, and florida, they're not being passed in a bipartisan way, that tells you everything that you need to know. so why is it that we're requiring bipartisanship on the federal level. you know, people keep warning
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what's so bad. -- wondering what's so bad. let me clear. in the state of texas, we can't register to vote online. they were trying to criminalize the very people who are responsible, they are trying to criminalize them and put them in jeopardy of going to jail and trying to effectuate their job for people to register to vote. they don't want them signed up to vote. these are the types of things we're dealing with, even though 36 states plus dc actually have online voter registration. we can't get a hearing for online voter registration in the state of texas. so we are in dire straits. and so honestly, we would take anything at this point, and the problem is, it seems like there is a deadlock, and i'm like listen, figure it out. we've got, you know, our session ends august 7th. you all need to do something by then. >> yes, ide i loved your point, we all wish we could be bipartisan but that's not where we are.
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words to think about. thank you very much, jasmine crocket, you have to come back, i love the spirit you bring, and cliff allbright, you're amazing and good luck with what you're doing on the ground. tune in with friend and colleague jonathan capehart who is speaking with the texas democrats who have come to washington to push for voting rights. battleground democracy, the texas democrat, airing monday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. you don't want to miss. it coming up, we all know trump wanted to hold on to power after he lost the election. just how close was he to doing that? we'll discuss after the break. and later in the show, we'll have the latest on the olympics. don't go anywhere. he latest on . don't go anyerwhe. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing
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everybody got two ballots, this is going to be a fraud like you've never seen. >> it is a rigged election. >> it means you have a fraudulent election. sending out 80 million ballots. they're not equipped -- >> these people aren't, number
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one, number two, they cheat. they cheat. >> all right. we all know the former guy was a maga mad man who rode white supremacy all the way to the white house but the latest reporting paints an insane picture of just how desperate he was to stay in power. according to the new book "i alone can fix can" by washington post reporters, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, actually began planning how to stop trump from using the military to hold on to power. aka, literally stage a coup. this is where we are, people. in a statement, trump said, quote, there was no talk of a coup. along with his usual talk of the rigged election. and yet, even to this day, the failed ex-blogger living on a golf course still has a stranglehold on the republican party, and it's choking the life out of democracy. just this week, house minority leader, or should we say follower, kevin mccarthy paid a visit to bow to his sultan.
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joining me now is political strategist lucy caldwell and former congressman carlos cobello. lucy, i have to ask you, why and how does trump still have such a stranglehold on the republicans, given everything that we're seeing right now? >> i know. it's getting exhausting. but the truth is, he continues to be their best envoy to republican voters. up to three quarters of republican voters believe that biden is not a legitimate president. you have this crazy town possessing all of these republican officeholders and they believe they can stay on this ride forever and they will ride trump, his coat tails, to victory. >> it is kind of scary, congressman, because we just saw latest developments with these two men charged in a plot to attack the democratic party headquarters in sacramento, we're seeing violence pop up around the country, but really violent policy.
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will republicans, or trump followers ever accept election results that are not what they wanted. >> well, tiffany, the other explanation for why trump continues to be so popular inside the party is because too few republicans are telling their voters the truth about donald trump. the truth about his lies and how everything that he has said about the 2020 election is false, and misleading. there are some republicans doing it. liz cheney, adam kin zinger, they're telling the voters the truth, they're out there fighting for the truth, but too many are either quiet or endorsing the president's lies, so of course, this keeps him popular among republican voters. what republicans need to do is to understand that it is not a good long-term strategy to be tied to donald trump, and they have to level with their voters and say look, all of these things that have been said about the 2020 election by the former president are false.
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in order to do that, you need courage, and you need to expose yourself to political risk. not enough republicans are willing to do that for now. >> i mean i think you make a good point, congressman, but lucy, i have to push back a little bit, because look, i understand, i'm not letting any elected republican off the hook who is still perpetuating this lie, however, we are citizens of this country and responsible for this democracy and responsible for educating ourselves, so it is not enough to blindly follow elected leaders and not have intellectual curiosity how democracy functions. how can we encourage folks who blindly follow for engagement and learning about democracy in this country? >> i think part of this is not letting anyone off the hook. anyone who wants to keep kevin mccarthy in power, adam kin zinger or liz cheney or someone on the crazytown brigade like marjorie taylor green. unless the republican party fundamentally changes that any
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support for republicans up and down the ballot, whether state lawmaker who is busy at work trying to pass voter suppression laws or people at the top of the ticket, there can be no compromising that any amount of this is okay or that any amount of, you know, as you talked about in the last segment, we're not operating in a paradigm where these are sort of nice decent people who are looking for bipartisanship. we have to wake up and it really has to be burning it down to the ground until they get real. >> lucy makes a good point, congressman, up and down the ballot. you live in florida. let's be honest. senator marco rubio is essentially a trump aklight. i don't know what happened to him, but he regurgitates a lot of trump talking points. and trump policy and trump-ism still exists. so we have congressman val demings running for senate as a florida voter. will you support marco rubio again in the senate? and what will you advise other
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voters in florida to do? >> tiffany, i'm not in the business of endorsing or supporting candidates. i'm in the business these days of telling the truth on television and analyzing objectively what's happening in our politics. and what i would say, to any republican politician, who is trying to have it both ways, to get the president's support, but also to distance themselves from his lies and his dishonesty, that's very difficult. i would say that that's probably impossible, because this is a man, donald trump, who demands absolute loyalty. if he is going to lie, if he is going to do something wrong, he expects you to endorse that, to follow him no matter what. so i think that the sooner, again, that republicans can level with their voters, with their supporters and tell them the truth about everything that has happened, not just with the 2020 election, but during the four years of the trump presidency, the better it will be for the party and for the
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country. i remind everyone, we only have two parties in this country. we have seen what one party rule looks like in china and cuba, and a very dramatic way, in recent days, and we don't want one party rule in this country. we need to have at least two, and they both have to be viable parties committed to the truth. and republicans really need to grow in that sense. and in order to do that, they're going to have to break with donald trump ultimately. >> right, but absent not breaking from donald trump, you're saying two different things. absent from not breaking from donald trump, if marco rubio has not broken from donald trump, even as an objective person, out of respect for the viewers who are looking to you as a sensible republican, some would argue, what's your advice? should people continue to vote for people who are blindly loyal to this president? >> again, tiffany, i'm not in the business of telling people how to vote, or everyone can make that decision for themselves. i know both senator rubio and congresswoman demings, i served with both of them, i have
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respect for both of them, voting for, again, for all republicans, for republicans, if they want to be a viable party, if they want to continue competing in national elections, this path of trump imp is just a loser long term, and it's just bad for the country. >> all right. so for people who are confused, if you vote for a trump accolyte, you are officially voting for trump but this is a conversation i would love to continue to have with the two of you because we need sensible republican voices to reach out and talk to them. thank you so much. look forward to having you back soon. don't go anywhere. because more than a million americans could be out on the street in a matter of weeks. how the biden administration plans to tackle looming evictions. we'll discuss that after the break. tions. 'll discuss that after the break.
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on august 1st, landlords will once again be able to file evictions against tenants. >> the city is urging people who feel like they may be facing eviction to go ahead and contact their landlords and try to work out some sort of payment plan, some sort of way to make sure they can negotiate the end of the month. >> what the federal eviction moratorium, set to expire on july 31st, the biden administration willing meet with local officials next week in hopes of staving off mass evictions. more than 1.4 million americans say they are very likely to face eviction in the next two months. and while the stimulus provided $45 billion in emergency rental assistance, only 1.5 billion of that had been distributed by the end of may. joining me now, new york representative ricky tores, and president and ceo of the national low income housing coalition, diane yentl. >> congressman, i want to start you with, i cannot stress how
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scary it is to have nowhere to go or to come home and see all of your things strewn about on the lawn and that's about what 3% of the american population is facing. i know the federal government is trying to support people in this position, are we doing enough? and what else can be done in your view? >> well, there agency nothing more traumatic and -- there's nothing more traumatic and terrifying than the loss of a home and we're not doing enough, and the expiration of the moratorium should create a great sense of urgency around the need to ensure that affordable housing is front and center in the next reconciliation bill. maxine waters, emanuel cleaver and i have introduced legislation that would establish housing vouchers for all, so every family in need would receive a housing voucher which would ensure that you pay no more than 30% of your income toward your rent. according to the harvard joint center on housing studies, there are 37 million americans who pay more than a third of their
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income toward their rent. half of those americans pay more than half of their income toward their rent putting them at elevated risk of displacement and eviction, and so housing vouchers for all would bring us closer than we've ever been to making america affordable for all, and ending homelessness in america. >> and this is a reason why politics and policy matter, right? because trying to get this bill pushed through a democratic controlled house, trying to get this bill through a democratic controlled senate, although it feels like a republican controlled senate sometimes, is quite the leap. and this is why people have to pay attention to policies like this, because without the democrats in control, you don't know if it will actually pass. i want to turn to you, and ask about, nowhere in the country right now, and this is quite scary to me, metropolitan area or county in america, can a worker earn the prevailing or state minimum wage afford a modest two bedroom rental home
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at fair market rent by working a 40-hour week. what is the solution beyond the federal government? what is the solution around this? >> the national housing wage, which is the amount that somebody needs to earn each our just to be able to afford to rent a modest one bedroom apartment is over $20. this is about three times as much as what somebody earning the federal minimum wage earns, and it's over $2 an hour more than what the average renter earns. so clearly, rents are far out of reach for the people who need to rent apartments. so the kind of legislation that congressman toress and chair woman maxine waters are advancing would be transformational to our efforts in the country to end homelessness and end housing poverty. we had a system in our country where only one in every four households who are eligible for and in need of housing
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assistance receives any. so 75% of people who need this housing assistance get none. they add their names to years or sometimes decades-long waiting lists, hoping to win what's essentially a housing lottery system, in our country, where only the lucky 25% get the help that they need. so this legislation that congressman tores and chair woman maxine waters are advancing is essential, to make it four out of four households who needs the assistance, would receive it. this would create a true housing social safety net in our country, and it's essential that we get that done. in addition, states and cities need to do more, and they need to address restrictive local zoning that often inhibberts the supply -- hib its the supply about apartments and drives up costs for everybody, and it
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further reinforces segregation and inequities. >> congressman, look, this is not the popular point to make, but there are people who own housing, landlords who do generate income from properties they own and they rely on that income for they themselves to survive, and there's, you know, a ridiculous case out of new york, now granted, most tenants are not terrorizing their landlords, most tenants want it pay their rent but can't. is there some sort of relief that landlords can get while they're trying to stay afloat? >> of course, we can provide relief not only to tenants, but to small property owners who are struggling, and you're right, local governments depend on property taxes. but the data from the national housing coalition to me is stunning. many of the low wage workers are essential workers who put their lives at risk, who were in the peak of the pandemic so the rest of the country could shelter in place, those workers should have the ability to afford to live
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live in a country that cannot succeed and survive without them. >> i think we have to leave it there but i want to say that this also impacts animals, pets, people are abandoning their pets, in baltimore, some animal shelters are no longer taking owner surrenders, lowering adoption fees as they near capacity, kansas city shelters are overflowing with abandoned pets. so you know, obviously, we care about people, but animals are getting impacted by this as well. so for all of you folks out there, adopt, don't shop, there are a lot of people looking for animals and a lot of animals in need of a good home and if there is anything anyone can do to help, follow these two on twitter and they can tell you how to provide relief if you're in a position to do so. thank you very much, congressman, and diane, look forward to having you back with the conversation we will keep having. up next, we will talk about the latest passion project. i'm so excited. ject i'm so excited who dares to be fearless even when her bladder leaks.
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to create the museum and the project moved closer to reality in june when the smithsonian named a board of trustees. joining me now, actor and director john leguizamo, a board member of the advocacy group friends of the national museum of the american latino. john leguizamo, i'm so thrilled to have you on the show. i remember how excited i was when the blastonian, african-american culture, i'm so excited for the latino community and all of america to experience the same thing. i'm just curious why you're so passionate about it and what excites you the most about having it come to fruition. >> i'm so glad you have me on the show. i'm a big fan. and i've been to the museum of the afro-american and it's incredible. you need four days for that masterpiece. and we passed legislation, we got through the senate, through congress, to have a latino museum on the mall, and now we're trying to get the space, we have to raise $400 million, and it's so important to me,
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because as a child, i didn't have latin heroes. we have been erased from history. and we made america. and without us, there would be no america. i mean we were the oldest ethnic group in america. this myth that we just got here is bs. before that, we were the greatest empires, and as, aztec, inca, maya, parts of america were only latino, california, arizona, nevada, texas, they erase our history, they erase our contributions. we' fought in every single war america has ever had, the most decorated minority in each of those wars. the american revolution, juan dema res, raised $2 million from mexico and spain to fund the american revolution for george washington. -- 20,000 fought in the civil war. due see that in any history
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textbook, any movie, any history channel, and it just makes you feel nonexistent and it allows people to demonize us, to take power away from us, and also, we've experienced great oppression, 6,000 of us, were lynched, shot, and burned alive from 1830 to 1930, but the only ethnic group that were american citizens, and deported, millions of us, took away our property and our power and our money and here we are, still driving, we, latin people, invented the capture code, the pen, the artificial heart, the birth control pill, the electric brake, so this museum will be a container of all of that information, and that is so valuable, if i could see my grandchild be able to go to this museum and look at himself, and see how important it is, that will be everything for me. >> i feel your frustration, and your excitement and your joy, and you know, i say, black
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people fought in every war, and has the entire identity erased we are simpatico, my friend. the buying power is $2 trillion a year. for the first time in 2020 the latino community eclipsed black voters in terms of eligible voters, not registered voters, so this is a huge pocket of society and we should have some throughout curiosity about our fellow countrymen, everybody. so what is the biggest challenge right now to getting this museum erected? >> i think the only challenge, we're about to get a piece of land at the mall, we want the museum to be on the mall because it is the most important for this museum to be, to get the recognition it deserves, and then it is going to be raising up the funds, we got to raise over $400 million. and i think if everybody contributes, or finds ways of cribbing to our organization, we can get that museum up, and i think it will change, it will
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change the way america sees us, the way we see ourselves, and these are important contributions, like in the black community, latin history is american history, you have very similar trajectories in this country, black and latin people, that's why we're so united in so many causes. >> and so one thing i find interesting about the latino community is it is a big umbrella, so you have people with different origin stories, you know, you're a colombian, puerto rican, peruvian, argentinians, all of these people, how will you be a part of making sure that the museum is equitable in terms of afro-latinas and all of the beautiful parts of the culture. >> we have a beautiful i don'ts a -- diaspora. we're european and black and a mix of nationalities and our language and culture is much
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more similar than disparity and we will definitely make sure that every culture is represented, every ethnic group within our race is represented. we're going to make sure that all of the history, we're going to have the room for it. >> i love that. so you have already kind of given us your thoughts on critical race theory, i saw that video, my friend, and i echo all of it, i love it, i don't think we can play it on msnbc -- >> no, no, no. >> but i repeat those same words when dealing with some of the critical race theory rants that i've seen. before i let you go, very quickly, over time, but i have to get your thoughts on the emmys, i know you have boycotted before. it was a diverse slate of emmy nominees. i'm just curious your thoughts. >> yeah i mean i'm so happy for everybody who is getting a chance, especially the black community that's been underserved, and underrepresented in the emmys and oscars, and asian groups, but we latino people keep being
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excluded and we're not underrepresented, we're excluded. when we're 50% of the population of los angeles and less than 1% of the stories being told in hollywood and streamers and networks, that's cultural apartner hide. even in new york city, where equal to whites in population but less than 1% of the stories and staff of "the new york times" and the new york post and the new yorker magazine, any magazine with the city's banner on it, i mean it's cultural apartheid, it is unacceptable where 20% of the population, almost 20% and less than 4% of the faces in front of the camera. it's just wrong. i want 20% executives. i want 20% stories. i want 20% crew. i want 20% faces in front of the camera. i want 20% of the children's picture books, because we're the largest ethnic group in public schools and the least represented ethnic group in children's picture books. it's the exclusion, it is extreme and it needs to change. >> it's extreme and insulting
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and on this show, my friend, we will continue to uplift, because it is ridiculous how the latino community is excluded in hollywood and we've got to stop centering whiteness in all facets of society, because we are the rising majority in this country. >> beautifully said. >> i love it. i love it. thank you so much, joey leguizamo, any time you want to come on the show, you have an open invitation. >> big fan. >> thank you very much. coming up, a viewer asks, why is the leader of the maga cult still a free man. i wonder that same thing. we will try to make it make sense right after the break. it sense right teafr the break. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing
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if we played by his rules they would be in jail or worse. why can't he isn't there a line he can cross? we should cut his butt off and put him in jail. can you make sense of that. thank you. >> i cannot tell you how much i appreciate questions like these. when donald trump winning the 2024 straw poll, it's easy to forget just how much active legal peril he is still in. as of this morning, donald trump is caught up in at least fiven different criminal investigations. that's two state investigations in new york, one of which has already resulted in criminal charges against the private company that trump owns and controls and it's top money man. just this week, trump axed
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weisselberg leaving them in charge. at least on paper. there's also the new york-based federal investigation that has already snagged michael cohen and egor fruitman. now down in my neck of the woods, the state prosecutor is investigating trump for possible crimes related to election tampering. remember when trump asked their secretary of state to find him 11,000 votes. the district attorney does and she wants answers. then there's the federal investigation out of it looking into trump's role in inciting the domestic terrorist attack on the capital. what we all watched with our own eyes live as it happened. even his own supporters say trump was at fault. at least to the extent they can claim that donny made me do it
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as a defense. so much of the party of personal responsibility. we haven't gotten to the 11, yes, 11 civil suits pending against the former guy. ranging in claims from defamation by two of the 26 women who as cued trump of sexual misconduct to incitement for his rhetoric on january 6th to, you guessed it, even more fraud. your question is why is trump running free despite all of these legal targets on his back. the answer is that he has yet to actually be charged with any crime outside of the impeachment setting, which he beat twice thanks to his republican sycophants in congress. when it comes to the civil suits, even if he loses, he cannot be locked up. forced to pay fines, maybe, but no jail time. in fact, the lawsuits and investigations may even help a potential trump 2024 campaign. god help us.
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trump gets to whine about a witch hunt. further radicalizing his basket of deplorables to believe the rule of law doesn't apply to them, which is ironic considering donald trump's personal standards for law and order. >> so if it you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. >> i promise you i will i pay for the legal fees pit promise. >> i'd like to punch them in the face. >> if i say go get um, i get in trouble with the press. >> i said please don't be too nice. like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head. i said you can take the hand away. you got to speak to jeff sessions about that. >> all that talk, for now, no one is locking up trump.
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welcome to the cross connection. we're talking about the big etc. stories of the week. protesters are expected to take to the streets of florida again today in solidarity with the aipt-government protest in cuba. demonstrators in florida blocked a major and that's a violation of a sign by the florida governor after the black lives matter protests. but there was no mass crackdown, which has some wondering if there's a double standard. >> it completely contradicts what they say or when they pass this law that it wasn't about black lives matter. but it was a public safety issue.
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and now we look at what's going on in miami where they are shutting down major interstates, but yet there's no enforcement of the law. it's hypocrisy 101. >> joining me now michael harriet, senior writer for the root, lynn win, returning champ, executive director of ron api, and my buddy franan. this is like the gold standard of topics. so i want to start with you because these protests in cuba, i think a lot of people have questions around what's happening in florida and why the cuban population there is so married to the go p&g op politics. i couldn't think of anybody better to explain it to us. >> first off, we have to acknowledge that what drove these manifestations in florida that are continuing today are unprecedented images coming out
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of cuba in that for the last 60 years, the policy of the u.s. government was they are waiting for the cuban people to rise up and protest against the cuban regime. that's now finally happened. i think this is a moment that you see so many having waited for. but for the cuban american community here, part of the reason is because the republicans have done a very good job exploiting the political trauma of the community doing a lot of harsh rhetoric, but not really doing anything by way of policy that will lead to the liberation of cuba. now with this moment, i think there's a sense and a feeling of hope and optimism in south florida and around the country and even in some parts of the world that a democratic president in "morning joe" has the opportunity to preside over something that has vexed 12 previous american presidents, and that's to preside over the liberation of cuba. with that said, there's some
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grade a, stark raving, juicy hypocrisy out of florida with the republicans leading the charge. a tremendous double standard as benjamin crump talked about the black lives matter protests of last year in response to the murder of george floyd led to legislation to cramp down on protests. they are locking the ore way because they know historically the cuban american electorate has been a republican base group. a lot of hypocrisy being noticed by everyone. >> as a democratic pollster, this is definitely going to have an impact on mud terms, which are coming up. so we'll tell you now, do not make plans on saturday morning because you'll have to come back and explain this as we watch this unfold. michael, this law that governor desantis passed was targeted towards black lives matter protesters. how should people respond to
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something like this? what do you think will happen when inevitably there's going to be another protest sparked by violence against black lives. >> we know black lives matter protests have always been ul legal. before they passed this law, i was arrested at a protest, covering a protest this past summer and i was just covering it. i was the only journalist who was arrested. but we have seen this throughout the civil rights movement. they are just black people existing in a space together. it's kind of illegal any way. so i live in a state that's passed a similar law and these protests kind of backfired. protests around guns and they are going to have to abide by the same law that they created for black lives matter protests.
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so it's going to be interesting to see how they handled the law that they created to deal with black people when white people and other people do. >> we have seen these types of protests be met with violence at the federal government level. certainly when trump was in office. what are your thoughts here? >> i mean, this has already been mentioned a few times. democratic operatives, us thinking what midterms will look like, we have always struggled in florida. and specifically in south florida, where this is a time where the democratic party, we have to be clear and strong on what we stand for. and we're going to see this as so many pockets where if with don't understand how to honor communities that need more policy-focused and organizing specific frts, we're going to struggle. our president has to step up. we have to stop releasing
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statements. calling for solidarity when towards immigration poicy that's completely contradictory. it does make me a little concerned for what it's beginning to look like in the next year and a half. >> a lot of concern. i'll kick it back to you. the federal judge in texas, i cannot stress the amount of people this is going to impact in a cast a dark shadow over individuals, their families, their front line workers. i'm so concerned about that policy ruling. what's the solution here. >> the solution is congressional action, which unfortunately we know is not palettable without the elimination of the filibuster. the republicans are now holding the institutions of government
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hostage despite the fact the american voters spoke with full force. to give the democrats control of the congress and a democratic president and the white house to push for this. now the one piece of good news is despite the horrific ruling on daca, it does not apply to the 600,000 that have already signed up through the executive order. but to your point, polls show more americans believe in daca. they understand that these americans because they are americans who have known no other country but the united states should have every right to have legal status and are contributing to this country. sadly until we see action at the congressional level, a comprehensive bill to not only deal with daca, but also the status of the 11 million undocumented that live in this country, we're going to be seeing these things bear out in the courts.
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i would also like to see more aggressive action by the democrats to fight the republicans when it comes to theses judiciary wars. that was the number one priority the last four years. stack the judges in the judiciary to rule in partisan rulings. that's an example of what we saw in this federal judge who i think took a partisan ruling on this issue of daca. >> it's clearly partisan. we talk about this policy, with us we have to remember the individuals whose lives are directly impacted and it's heartbreaking. the doj is certainly active in that space as well. i want to make a hard turn for the new push to legalize that stickyicy. chuck schumer announced new draft legislation this week. >> this is monumental. we are taking steps in the
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senate to right the wrongs. the cannabis administration would hep put an end to the unfair targeting and treept of communities of color from removing cannabis from the federal list of controlled substances. it's not just an idea of whose time has come, it's long overdue. >> what are your thoughts on this policy? >> i think it's long overdue. we often talk about the people who are arrested who have marijuana, but we forget about all of the things that marijuana legislation does to incarcerate black people and don't even use marijuana. communities who have are chosen those fathers in prison, we talk about the way it impacts people who are just driving down the street and they stop with the preaccept that we smell marijuana in the car.
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a stupid law affects people in so many ways. we know black and white people use drugs at the same rate. white people use drugs a little more, but black pop are three times more likely to be arrested. so it's a precondition just to fill the convictions with black bodies. >> we have to make sure the profit from this is equitable. i would say it's frustrating it you're not a drinker and someone can have a glass of wine shs but a smoker, it's a stret thing you have to do behind closed toors. not no new york though. streets are blazing. i'm curious your thought on this policy. >> i think this new bill is interesting and it's significant because it puts inequality right
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at the forfront. the bill it opens up recognizing the legacy of racial and ethnic injustice. that hasn't been written before. it was interesting. that same presser, it was senator cory booker who named this hypocrisy. we have people running for congress. we have candidates running for senate. even people who ran for president who openly admitted that i have smoked weed. but at the same time, we have people in this country namely black and brown people specifically, low-income populations, veterans, that are bearing the scene of a criminal krix for doing things that honestly half of the last form presidents have admitted to doing. the last thing, we also have to recognize that our federal employees, they are still going to be subjected to drug testing. that's still not protected this in this bill. how this is going to work, it's being very selective with not
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including all impacted individuals. so we have also recognize that as well. >> we're way over time, but i just want to say, a majority of americans support the legalization of marijuana. so i hope folks can get on boshd. did you want to weigh in before we move on? >> despite how they sound that only the democrats want to pass it on the left-hand side, there's a lot of sport on the right as this as well. you see folks like matt gaetz recognize two things here. there's a money opportunity. this is a way offset the yoid crisis which is affecting white america. so you'll see more republican support here than on other issues. >> that's right. my producers are yelling at me because we're over time. we have to talk about the emmys. it's the diversity for me. the emmy nominations came through like a beyonce album
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dripping with greatness. performers of color make up at least half of the acting nominations in the drama categories and we have an emmy nominee in the midst. michael has been nominated for outstanding writer for a variety series. congratulations to you. this is so exciting. what did you do when you found out you were nominated? >> i was at the veterinarian with my dog so i was startled and then the people in the office wondered why i was jumping up and down. >> congratulations. it's very diversely. still disappointing that so few latino actors, we saw the first transactor, but we have a long way to go in the latino spaces. what are your thoughts here? >> exactly right. i saw that interview and he's right on point. there has to be more focus. we can start with our brown
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brothers doing it for the culture. let's pop the champagne when he wins. i'm going to pr dikt michael is going to come home with the gold. >> i love it. we are out of time. 10 seconds. anything you want to say about the emmys? >> i think y'all know i'm here to rep the asian-american community. for the fist time, it's more than one person. but historically, this has been a struggle. since 2015 and 2019, only 2% of nominees have been asian. wit got people in the industry fighting like hell to have their stories told. >> that's right. runs a great blog who talks about this stuff. i want to say before you go, the faces you see on your screen are the faces of the rising majority of this country. it's time that it's reflected in all spaces, certainly including the emmy nominations. so thank you to all of you.
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today is an historic day. and in this case, it is a wonderful reminder that elections have consequences. >> it was the election of senator warnock and his colleague that tipped the senate into democratic hands allowing the passage of a new child tax credit that started hitting bank account this is week. a policy that is expected to cut child poverty nearly in half. but let's not forget not a single republican voted for it, which leads us back to my home state of georgia, where senator warnock is up for reelection next year and where the democrat senate majority hangs in the balance. joining me now is a political reporter for the hhc and ceo of
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the new georgia project. greg, i want to start with you. a lot of people, i think they assume atlanta is fwa. i have to remind people atlanta is a blue spot in some specks of red, as georgia has become a purple state it was blue last time, but still could be a swing state. can warnock pull this off again considering the massive voter suppression laws that have been enacted? >> he's off to a really good start. he's this an enviable position. he has the party behind him and more than 10.5 million in the bank. that's a staggering sum for this point of the election cycle it's a record setting haul for a candidate at this stage in the race. also going for him is disarray on the other side of the aisle. there's no republican coalescing behind any challenger yet. and that's because many republican leaders are waiting to see whether walker, the football legend, ends up running for senate from texas. he lives in texas now so he
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would have to move back to georgia in order to run. that's why there's been somewhat of a frozen republican field. a lot of donors are staying on the sidelines right now. >> it's kind of ridiculous this whole situation with herk the walker. we switch out one black guy for another, people won't notice. i don't know if that's going to work. i saw this ad during the mlb all-star game. i want you to take a listen and get your reaction on the other side. >> this was supposed to be atlanta's night. but we were robbed. democrats stole our all-star game to push their political agenda. politicians and corporations lied, while blacken communities got hurt the most, even though a majority of black voters support laws like voter i.d. to democrats, it's just a game. but we are the ones who got played. >> the republican national committee is responsible for the
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content of this advertising. >> now my friend, you got played for doing that ad. who is this guy? i have never heard of him. does this ad have any influence on the voters of georgia? >> no, not at all. i think there was a clarity amongst georgia voters about how ridiculous senate bill 202 was from the substance of the bill itself. to the shenanigans and the machinations that republicans sort of contorted themselves through in order to make it pass with very little debate despite the fact that majority of georgians don't want this, despite the fact that the lie about the 2020 elections has been thoroughly and completely rejected. i don't know this goi guy and he doesn't speak for black voters around the major league baseball deciding to move their all-star game. and an example of the cynicism,
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but you throw a black face up there, and somehow that's supposed to compete for hearts and minds. when i think about walker, i think about the likely be the sarah palin of this election. a reflection of republican cynicism that you throw someone up there who meets a particular demographic and think that somehow it will make your trash policies more palettable. it's not going to work. >> i kind of thought it was an audition tape. we'll see. greg, let me ask you. kemp has set fundraising records. so brian kemp has raised $12 million a cycle that's pretty impressive. he's been fund fundraising off him. is he safe? he has this crazy guy running to the right of him, if that's even imaginable. can he pull it off? >> he's one of the most vulnerable governors in the
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nation. if not thee most. because he not only faces an expected challenge from abrams next november, he also has pressure from the right. not just from vernon jones, but he's one of the republicans running against him, but there are others who are rum nling about a potential race maybe with donald trump support. we know that donald trump has vowed repietedly to rally for some sort of opponent to governor kemp. he hasn't endorsed jones, a former democrat yet, but he's likely to at least weigh in on this race increasingly as we go forward. it likes like kemp will need 9 million and might need to spend a lot of that doing the first round of the race in the primary. just to get the nomination. then face an expected challenger from stacey abrams. >> but the thing is, they have voter suppression tactics on their side. i don't think it's a matter of if stacey abrams will get in
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this race, but when. still, it's not an easy feat for her either. the voter suppression tactics that we're seeing fundraising is not a presidential, so it's not like you're going toft ground swelling that helped democrats in 2020. can stacey abrams pull this off? >> i think so. i have been cautioning democrats for quite some time that georgia is not a blue state. georgia is america's newest battleground state. which means that the infrastructure that is required and battle and ask for every vote in the state of georgia to compete in georgia's rural black belt, to compete even in the 14th congressional district where marjorie taylor greene is the current member of congress. that is what is going to take to be successful in a statewide election in georgia. and i do think that senate bill 202 new anti-voting bill is
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going to have an impact on voters' experience. so it also appears whoever recognizes the reality on the ground and takes that into account as they are going out and talking to voters has a chance. that's the picture of politics. you're out there with your elbows and fight for every vote. >> yeah, and we can't forget this is the home where congresswoman coup nongets enthusiastic voters. thank you both. thank you for joining me this morning. coming up, msnbc celebrates 25 years this week. my essay on what the next 25 years could and should look like. s could and should look like ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance.
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question that america is facing right now. however, even as we disrupt the mythology of these divided states the more important question is who do we want to be. the fabric of america is ripping and the lore of the country is crumbling. but a new generation of thinkers and leaders will piece her together again and as the rising majority expands, we battle the dinosaur of white supremacy that refuses to become extipgt. they are strangling the life out of our democracy. we now have to save it. in 2044, america will be composed mostly of people of color. black, native american, asian-american and pacific islander citizens will shape american democracy. these rapidly changing demographics are casting a wide net over our culture and a dark shadow over our poitics. the answer to the question who
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do we want to be is frequently answered at the pal lot box, which explains the vigorous effort to keep the voting pathway as white and for row as possible. frightened people will do desperate things and they don't care about playing by the rules. so far this year, at least 14 states have enacted 22 laws that reare strict access to voting. and more bills are moving through state legislatures as you hear this. collectively republican lawmakers have introduced at least 389 restrictive voting bills in 48 states during the 2021 legislative sessions. that's according to the brennan center for justice. the real big lie is that this level of voter suppression is based on trump's voter fraud allegations. for black voters especially, voting rights is an old and familiar fight that has raged on for more than a century. after building the country through back breaking and debilitating labor, we have long been a target of such tactics. it's been interesting to watch the current supremacy movement
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through this lens. while many celebrate the cultural shift happening in our nation, it's a different thing entirely to embrace a power shift. and that is the fight before us. some have called the wars against white supremacy racial injustice a revolution. respectfully, i disagree. i have said this before. this is an evidence hugs. it's something that can't be stopped, even if it can be slowed. nowhere is this phenomenon more clear than at the ballot box. ultimately, it's in everyone's interest to embrace the future. resist its pull, if you will, but we all know what happens to things that don't bend. to mark the 25th anniversary, we will feature 25 days of forward-looking essays on important issues from msnbc an course and correspondents. you can read my essay today at
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very real effects of a rapidly warming planet, but now a newly announced conservative climate caucus hopes to bring more republicans to the table before it really is too late. joining me now is utah republican congressman john curtis, who says he's just the guy to lead this charge. congressman, i'm thrilled to have you here. and kudos for trying to bring this to your party. you got to know there are a lot of people on your side of the aisle who are climate change deniers and who resist the ideology of this. i want you to take a look at ron johnson's reaction at a fundraiser in june. i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> i don't know about you guys, but i think climate change is [ bleep ]. it is. i have known this for years. co2 is actually lagging from temperature. as the climate increases in temperature, it unlocks the co
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2 captures in the ocean. so what are we doing here? >> congressman, when those voices are the loudest in your caucus, who are you going to bridge that divide? >> first of all, hello from utah's third congressional district. it's a delight to be with you. my theory is that the vast number of republicans care deeply about this earth. we want to not only do our part, we want to do far more than that. as evidenced to that, this caucus ta you talked about, it just started two weeks ago, 66 members of the house of representatives, that's a third of our entire conference have joined that. and i feel like as a republican, we have made a tshl mistake by allowing ousts to be branded as not caring or denying the
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science. and it's my mission to prue it's not true. we do care deeply. we have a lot of good ideas ourselves. >> you have a huge mission before you. i assure you. study after study shows black, hispanic and indigenous communities are hardest hit by climate change. it's 3 degrees warmer than non-red line areas how will environmental equity be centered in your climate caucus. >> i think it's impossible to talk about improvements to the environment without positively impacting these communities. now we have to be careful. we know about where this power generation is created. but there's a host of ideas. i think one of the mistakes we have made as republicans is we're good at telling people away we don't like and don't want to do, but i'm really ready
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to jump forward with a hot of ideas we have that are very positive that will have meaningful impact and make a big difference. >> so what will your caucus propose in terms of policy ideas ta republicans haven't already proposed for the last decade or so and how will you work with democrats to get this done? >> let me touch on that last point. those of us that watched what happened in washington unless we move forward on a bipartisan basis, it's near possible to create a lasting change. that's one of the reasons this is so significant. we're anxious and willing to join with our democratic colleagues to find solutions. if we don't, i think we'll fail as a nation and a world. so super important that we bring these ideas forward and talk about them and bring the best ideas that we test the ones that are really viable and see which ones will stand up to debate. >> if the gop nominee does not believe in climate change, will you support that person?
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>> that's a tough one because that would peg me as a single issue voter. it's important to me. let me tell you an aspiration that i have and that's the platform will address climate. that would be a really big deal and an important step forward. that's one of my personal goals. >> i want you or i'll reference a quote from your fellow senator mike lee. he says the cure for climate change is more over population. a family who chooses to have one fewer child would provide the same level as 684 teenagers who choose to adopt comprehensive recycling for the rest of their lives. it doesn't seem to be based in science. so i'm just curious, again, when you have folks who believe things like that, can people put faith in this caucus this is
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going to be a serious caucus? >> i don't know enough about what the senator said to comment, but i will tell you that i personally visited senator lee as we were rolling this out. he was supportive. i think he would like, me, like to join a conservative voice to this discussion as well. and so no doubt that i have a lot of work to do. i'll grant you that, but i'm also going to point out once again 66 members of the house in two weeks join this caucus. i think we have a little bit of momentum behind us. those who truly want to make a difference for the environment, i think will welcome us to the table and the discussion. >> we will be very curious how those 66 members impact policy that come out of the caucus. congressman, i invite you back to talk to us about it any time. yours is an important voice on the other side of the aisle. and we'd like to talk about other issues as well tell your tam you're booked on some saturdays. we'd love to have you back. >> excellent.
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with less than one week ll the opening ceremony in toek owe, officials confirmed that a person has tested positive for covid. amid soaring cases that have prompted residents to take to the streets. but the pandemic isn't the only point of protest. the international olympic committee relaxed its ban on protests allowing olympians to make political statements before their events. they will still be barred from any sort of activism from the podium, which is the sight of the most famous olympic protest when john carlos and tommy smith
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raised their black glove fists in the air in 1968. it still gives me chills. one of those activists himself joins us now. 1968 olympic dpold medalist tommy smith, who is the focus of this amazing documentary as well as sports editor of "the nation", david zirin. gentlemen, very happy to have you here. mr. smith, i have of to start with you. a bit of a fan girl moment. thank you so much for that moment in 1968. i doubt that you knew at the time that would ripple through time and decades and still have such an impact on all of us today. i'm curious given the olympic committee rules that have come out, what are your thoughts on those? >> time will always tell different tales of things that are untrue. the right side and here we deal
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with the right and we deal with right. one is right and man put into your own self and your belief. so it's going to be interesting. in fact, it is interesting. the athletes have a right now to a lot of strife and sacrifice and a lot of decisive moments in athletic life and in one's personal life. it's going to be interesting. there's doubt. but there's going to be great competition and a greater alliance that the ioc has to reckon with athletes are human too. maybe we better take a knee off their necks. that's what's happening now a bit. and ooum sure the athletes are very proud of it because of the fight that has gone through so they can implement their own decisive methods for moving forward under their own efforts.
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>> very good point. it's come a long way. >> you write about this in your latest piece. i want to play this sound byte of the ioc president and see how he describes the people of japan. take a listen. >> it is safe and secure games for everybody. for the athletes, for all the delegations and most importantly, for the chinese people, japanese people. japane people. >> look. i do live tv. we have a slip of the tongue and i'll give him grace there. however when you couple that with the other policies that really season so whiteness, oppress voices of color you have to scratch your head and say, come on. curious what your take was there. >> you said it well. it is an honor to be on with dr.
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smith. i'm wearing a button. i don't know if tommy see that is. in honor of him. the reason why that quote/unquote gaffe is an international incident and front page news story in japan is precisely because thomas bach is most unpopular person in tokyo right now. here test bringing the olympics to tokyo. he is expected to be greeted like an imparty viceroy coming to town but talking to a city 80% of the population wants the olympics delayed. the population is living under a state of emergency. they're looking at what's happening right now and asking the question would this happen to us if the olympics were held in the united states or western europe? why is this imposed on us in a state of emergency and a city unvaccinated. already we have the first mini outbreak in the olympic village.
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the nigerian delegation reporting a mini outbreak and can be very big very quick lane the people of tokyo are not saying,yeah, we get to host the olympics but asking the question, why us. >> right. given that and the rampant covid numbers do you think the olympics should have been canceled? >> absolutely should have been delayed in accordance with the will of the people of japan. the olympic committee has more people over the people of japan than the government. when the government is questioned, 80% of the population, they want the olympics to be at the very least postponed, the answer is a shrug of the shoulders saying this is the ioc's call, not us. we would be the subject of lawsuits if this doesn't happen.
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the ioc said the organization cannot move forward to cancel the games again as they did last year so they just feel like they're being used to keep the trains running on time instead of a showcase for the great international ath leetss we have throughout the world. >> right. i'll let the viewers know we are having technical issues with mr. smith and the camera. i want you, dave, to take a listen to the sound bite from the documentary that i hope everybody takes time to watch. take a listen and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> after that olympics it didn't just end with, oh, they get suspect home. he was ostracized from society. ♪♪ >> a lot of families have been
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hurt because they did less. mothers and daughters and sisters and brothers have been beaten, lynched or worse because they were the color they were. not what they said. so, yes, i regret that my family hatd to go through that but there was no other way it could have been done. >> sacrifice that this man-made and i think we may have him back. mr. smith, can you hear me? >> yes, i can see and hear. >> all right, all right. we just saw a clip of you. talk about what your family went through and i don't think people know. those are the moments where it matters when you have something to risk and you did that. i'm curious your advice to athletes now. holding up a t-shirt in the playing of the national anthem. what is your advice? >> whatever you do it is going
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to follow you no matter who you are or what you say. you will have a wagon to pull around with the idea of anyone that does something that they believe in. that is a responsibility of a person who is doing the talking that it doesn't stop there. it continues to mob the thought processes and others around you moving through life. so that's back in 1968, that's what happened to me. it kept moving but thank god i had a backing of understanding through my family, through america, a belief experience that you don't do something and wish you can change it. you must think about the changing before you do it. simply said that it's almost like a reliving an experience that you have already gone through or self imaging as i did
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in 1968 in that race with that pulled groin left leg muscle. i could not warm up with the athletes and watched them which was a crippling experience with the mind process of seeing athletes as good as i was, some better, warming up and i couldn't but i was a world record holder and had to maintain my stability in believing what i had to be will be done. will i do that? think, think, think. see yourself doing the action or practice as you do the action as the athletes do on the field but inside of you. >> right. >> had gone through moments that -- had to wait a minute to mind finish doing what he'll put on paper and then talk about it. >> right. >> athletes in tokyo right now i'm sure they're going through a mind, physical experience of
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believing what they say. they have to. >> yeah. we're way over time. but you are only 24 when you displayed that incredible amount of courage so i want to say my fist is in the air with you in 2021. just like you put your fist in the air for us in 1968. thank you sochl for joining us. we'll be back after the break. a. ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪ it takes a certain kind of person to change the world. my great-great-grandmother, my great-grandfather, great-great-grandfather was that kind of person. he looked after his community. she built an empire.
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