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university center for emerging infectious diseases policy and research. she is an msnbc contribute are. don't go anywhere. "velshi" just getting started. to come my interview with pete beautyth whose job as transportation secretary. talking climate change and america's withdrawal from afghanistan. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning it's saturday, july 17th. i'm aljudge velshi. democrats on capitol hill trying to finalized infrastructure bills with and without republican support. a group of lawmakers work through the weekend on the $579 billion plan funding infrastructure like the nations crumbling bridges and roads and electrical buses. the goal is to produce the legislative text for the bill by the time the senate returns on monday. but negotiations continue to be
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stuck about how to pay for it. democrats want to finance the infrastructure plans by expanding the enforcement powers of the irs so that the agency can collect an additional $100 billion in unpaid taxes. republicans are not onboard with that plan. believe it or not. which would involve making rich people actually pay their fair share of taxes. senate majority leader chuck schumer says the senate will hold the vote on the bipartisan bill on wednesday. meaning that for the first time in a long time it could actually be infrastructure week in washington. your former president used to promise those regularly. meanwhile, senate democrats appear to be better poised to push forward the larger $3.5 trillion bill without republican support. in contrast to the bipartisan plan, this plan focuses on the country's human infrastructure. and party priorities like subsidized kid childcare.
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elder careo care. universal pre-kay and litany of climate initiatives. needing the support of all 50 democrat senators to get to biden's desk. and it looks like they might have it. the hill reports quote, senate democrats say manchin indicated he will not stand in the way of the measure moving forward. it will be -- and will be generally supportive, as long as he is kept in the loom loop on his top concerns, how to pay for the bill and a clean energy provision. he is a little iffy on clean energy stuff since he comes from a coal state. but as senate democrats balance dual infrastructure bills, house democrats gear up for the january 6th select committee first hearing which will be held on july 27th. the date essentially serves as a deadline for minority leader kevin mccarthy who still has not assigned any republicans to the investigative panel. he gets to recommend five. nancy pelosi gets the time decision. however, he did have time to
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meet with the gop's favorite failed former president this week to discuss, quote, upcoming congressional special elections and vulnerable democrats. meanwhile in an attempt to spur congressional action on voting rights. 51 texas democrats, state representatives now camped out in washington, d.c. after leaving a special legislative session in austin. their goal to prevent republican counterparts from passing voting and election restrictions in the state. only time will tell how long they'll be in d.c. but texas governor greg abbott says as soon as they step foot back in the state any will be arrested. that's the kind of internal for the attitude the late congressman john lewis embodied in his lifelong fight to protect voter rights. today marks the first anniversary since his passing. but his spirit lives on. vigils held around the country in celebration of his historic legacy. later today, house speaker nancy pelosi will lead a congressional delegation to san diego to
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participate in the christianing of the usns john lewis. ma 742-foot long navy ship. back on capitol hill lawmakers and activists honor lewis's legacy by boldly standing up for voter protection. the chair wom of congressional black caucus joyce beatty arrested on thursday with activists during a voting rights protest in a senate office building. speakers voiced frustration about how the john lewis voting rights act and the for the people act stalled in the senate. in a round table discussion vice-president kamala harris emphasized that the fight to protect voting rights is being done for all americans, not just those on the left. >> let's be clear. not about any one racial group. or gender group. this is about all americans. this is not an issue about democrats versus republicans. this is about americans. and this group of national leaders are very clear about that. this is the fight for all people
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regardless of who they voted for in the last election or the next election. >> the focus of protecting voting rights was central to an impassioned speech given by president biden earlier. as a handful of gop led states continue infringing american's ability to vote. he gave a stark warning the behavior could go on some time. quote we're facing another test in 2022 in new wave of voter suppression and subversion. we have to prepare now, end quote. joining me now anita coup mar and associate editor for politico. good to see you. dual issues going op real legislative stuff with the infrastructure bills coming to fruition. but the voting rights fight has risen to a level that we have literally not seen in decades. arrests, the texas delegation leaving the state to avoid both arrest and the progress of anti-voting legislation. the arrests on capitol hill.
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what's your accepts of where we stand right now? >> well, there really are a lot of people in the democratic party that want to get something done. really the question is what can be done now? there is some frustration that the white house has not made this the number one priority. as you know, the president has been working on fighting covid, of course, and working on reviving the economy with the spending plans that you just mentioned. and there is a frustration he hasn't made this front and center. we have heard the president and vice-president talk a lot about this. but really hands are tied. they really need to push congress to pass one of these bills, push them -- push the senate to get rid of the filibuster or do some other -- something else. and so far we just haven't seen that push. >> but those members of congress -- or at least joyce beatty and the other women with whom she was arrested, they had a very publicized meeting with kamala harris, who really seemed to be honoring them for what
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they're doing. the 51 texas legislators met with members of congress and made their case. they are saying we can't do this without congress and the white house. do you get the sense that the white house will lead on this, including this idea of dealing with the filibuster as it relates to voting rights issues? >> well, as you know president biden has been really sort of muted in his talking about the filibuster and whether the senate should fully get rid of that or get rid of it for this particular bill. i think one really interesting thing that came up this week, you mentioned the texas democrats, they met with senator joe manchin of west virginia and came out of the meeting pleased that he had said, look, if we get back to the basics here and pass a stripped down version of this bill, not the huge bill, maybe we can pass something, maybe i would support something. there was some hope for the texas democrats that can go something could happen. but it's tough time right now. everybody seems to be talking
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about it telling us it's going to be an issue in the next election, 2022. but, you know, things as you know are often very much stuck at the congressional level. >> one thing that the president is leaning into and has since the beginning, is infrastructure. and one way or the other something is going to happen. we have one smaller bill that does seem to have bipartisan support sort of kind of some days. we have a much bigger bill that does not have bipartisan support. but then it seems democrats are willing to use the budget reconciliation process to pass. so it does look like something will develop in the next week or so with infrastructure. >> yeah, i totally agree with that. i mean, this is the top priority that -- that cigarettes and the white house are talking about right now. look, the president has a tough job, because he needs republicans support on one bill, the smaller bill and doesn't have the ten that he needs. but he needs democratic support on this go it alone bill, the larger one you talked about.
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he really has to convince both sides to get to the table. and so far he has. the tough part is probably going to be the republicans here because they are still not pleased that these two bills are essentially linked, that the -- the democrats want to pass both of these at the same time. it just makes them distrust a little bit. look we didn't put it in one bill but now you're passing it somewhere else. there is a tough road here. but it does feels like -- i know we smoke about infrastructure week. but it feels like it comes together one way or another because the senate majority leader has put this up for a vote. >> anita, we never used to joke about infrastructure week until donald trump kept starting them and tripping over himself and cancelling them. i never thought of it as funny before donald trump. good to see you as always. anita, white house correspondent and associate editor at politico. joining me is democratic
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congresswoman judy chu member of house ways and means committee. during the district housework period she spent time with nancy pelosi promoting the new child tax credit. congresswoman chu, i can't say enough about this. it doesn't have the sexiness of infrastructure. it doesn't have the morally important feeling of the voting rights act. but we are taking children out of poverty. there shouldn't be that many children -- shouldn't be 11 million children in one of the richest countries in the world in poverty. but half of them will be removed from poverty according to the white house by this initiative. >> we are making history now. we are reducing child poverty in half by doing this child tax credit. and what is even better is that we're making it a monthly payment so that of course the first payment went out on thursday, so that families can
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get that money right away to pay for gas, pay for food, to pay for childcare. in is such an incredible step forward in our history. and in fact it's like social security for children. finally we are going to be lifting these children out of poverty so that they can have a better life in the future. and so we need to get the word out because we want to make sure that no child is left behind and that families just don't collect because they don't know how, or because they don't know. it's so important for every family to sign up. >> i'm fascinatinged -- marc rubio says this is anti-work legislation. i'm fascinated to the degree to which we are absolutely going to enforce that the poorest among us do not receive any freebies from the government. you tweeted earlier this week, see how they talk about tax
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credits when they go to working families instead of corporations and the superrich who run them. it's fascinating, right. god for bid you increase a buck of taxes on the wealthy. god for bid you ask corporations to pay their fair share in the last congress we reduced taxes on corporations virtually nobody but corporations were asking for. you give $300 to kids and it's anti-work legislation. >> i'd like to know what happened to the republicans. they are the ones who first initiated the child tax credit in 1997. it was a bipartisan vote in a republican-controlled congress. and then in 2017 they expanded the child tax credit from $1,000 per child to $2,000 per child. they supported this in the past. what is the problem now? let me tell you something, over
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97% of families receiving the child tax credit are working. they actually actively are working. so this is an extra help that they can get to make sure that they can pay for the necessities, especially during in time of covid. it is necessary for them to be able to look towards the future. >> but it's a trope, right? the idea that giving money for children is anti-work is the 2021 version of talking about welfare queens. >> well, exactly. and let me just say, you don't lose any child tax credit if you work. there is in disincentive to work. the international evidence is actually quite clear, the vast majority of countries that have this unconditional child benefit have higher labor force participation rates than in the u.s. and after canada enacted its
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child tax credit employment rates amongst mothers actually increased. so there is no disincentive to work. and in fact this actually allows them to work while having the peace of mind that they can actually pay for things like childcare. i know businesses are having a hard time getting people hired for their -- for the newly created positions since now we're opening up. but people are still reluctant because of the health issues, the variant is increasing, the delta variant, that is. and also they still have problems with childcare. they still have to be able to find slots in childcare. so there are a lot of obstacles which we hope to address with our reconciliation bill that we
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can pass out of the house. and the senate and get signed into law. >> congresswoman, good to talk to you. thank you as always for joining us. democratic representative judy chu of california. the biden administration says it plans to fly a small portions of the thousands of afghanistans working for the united states directly to the united states. the dmargs says about 2500 afghans whose visas cleared security vetting will be eligible for evacuation directly to a u.s. military base here in the united states along with their family members. as u.s. troops leave afghanistan there is big concern for the thousand of afghans likely facing retaliation for the taliban for their work either as interpreters or other jobs in support of u.s. troops and diplomats. from the start president biden has been criticized for not having a plan for the u.s. allies. i asked u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg who served in afghanistan about the crucial task of getting these men and women out.
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>> this is not something you can just throw a switch. obviously everything from the logistical to diplomatic to security, to health considerations, are all in play. but at the end of the day we have to get this right. >> what do you say to folks who say, the president said they've got 300,000 forces, well trained, they have an air force now, can take care of things themselves. a lot of others are saying it's -- that's a rosy picture, that the taliban are making inroads. you've been there. >> the president made a decision that america's longest war must end. and the thing that really touched me the most was when he talked about the fact that he was not going to pass this to a fifth president. he understands the responsibility, as a military father, he understands the responsibility, that a commander in chief has to troops. and to making sure that there is not some indefinite or undefined mission that keeps them in harm's way. i thought i was one of the last troops in afghanistan when i left seven years ago.
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on february the 6th, 2018, back when i hosted a week-day show on msnbc. we decided to cover the launch and landing of spacex falcon heavy rocket. we decided to turn our attention away from the daily buffett of political negativity and instead witness the historic triumph of science and ingenuity. the response was overwhelmingly positive from viewers. everyone knew when it launched it was the brain child and commercial business of elon musk. but viewers were able to see that throughout history, adventurers with resources have been at the front end of so many breakthroughs.
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rocket forward three and a half years to the launch of the virgin galactic space ship to the edge of space carrying richard branson. it was a major milestone, advanced and funded by the aspirations of a really, really rich guy. lots of you watched it. and lots of you enjoyed it. but i got plenty of negative feedback from some of you. it had some version this isn't exploration it's tourism, only the uber wealth will enjoy. no benefit will ever accrue to society as a whole. by the way wove a climate crisis, gun crisis and a democracy at risk of crumbling. some of that is true. some of it isn't. it's like asking the cop who looking for a speeding ticket why they aren't catching murderer. there are issues of rich avoiding taxes. and they should be held to
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account. but let's separate criticisms of bezos, branson and musk from the remarkable achievements we are witness witnessing. where the critics are wrong it thinking that the launches aren't important as meaningful technological advances. these things are hard to do. they take years of study and innovation, and they are very risky. you know that i share your sense of urgency about social justice, democracy, climate change, public education, poverty eradication, and higher wages. in fact, just about an hour before the launch last weekend, i wondered aloud on tv what the earth would be like if we made solving the climate crisis a race like getting to space. we could fix all those things and still marvel at a space launch and dream about traveling to space or being the engineers, the scientists and the pilots who get us there. when i was a kid space was a place of wonder and possibility.
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and to me it still is. even in the face of other major human priorities right here on earth. the space trips themselves, last week ake trip to the edge of space and next week's, the trips are not the innovation. they are simply the manifestation, the celebration, if you will, of the science, engineering and the people behind that work who constantly strive to make our world better. astronauts tell me that one trip to the edge of space, one look back at the big blue marble that is earth shifts your perspective on our fragile planet and our shared humanity. maybe a short trip to space can help people understand the urgency of the climate crisis. maybe just going up a few minutes makes life down here a bit better. progress, innovation and solving for some of our biggest problems is the goal. a trip to space is just a fringe benefit. a fringe benefit.
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next week senate democrats will accelerate efforts to pass president biden's agenda on infrastructure and climate change. it's an ambitious time line, seen as the text of the bipartisan infrastructure framework hasn't even been finalized yet. but chuck schumer wants to bring it to a procedural vote on wednesday. there are two pieces of legislation at play here. the $579 billion bipartisan framework, focusing on physical or hard infrastructure but leaves out much of biden's promises on climate change. but it does have bipartisan support. republicans would not back a bill that included the so-called human infrastructure provisions. so this week senate democrats came up with a separate $3.5 trillion bill that covers human infrastructure. like elder questionnaire, childcare and parental leave. and it goes farther on climate change initiatives.
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it's a budget reconciliation bill means democrats can push it through with a simple majority without republican votes. here is the thing, the mere existence of the reconciliation bill could tank the bipartisan bill. republicans support for the bipartisan bill is wavering because of the addition of the reconciliation bill. and as important as human infrastructure is, america also really needs to fix its roads, bridges and other transportation systems. the american spoet of civil engineers gives the united states a c minus grade and infrastructure. growing wear and tear on public roads, nearly 230,000 bridges need repair and a water main break in america every two minutes. transportation secretary pete buttigieg has been out west promoting the infrastructure agenda. i met up with him in oregon where he was touring a fleet of electric buses.
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he said every infrastructure decision is a climate edition and equity decision. >> how much can we convert from the current fleet of diesel mass transportation vehicles in america into electric vehicles? >> well, eventually we can do the entire fleet. but it won't happen overnight. what we know is we're in a race against time. i believe that in would probably eventually happen no matter what. but it might happen ten or 20 years too late for us to get the climate benefits, create the jobs, have the transit electric vehicles of the future be made in america and be able to krp the savings that communities want. >> let's talk about the grid, the electricity that's needed for these vehicles. right now we're still in a situation where the majority of electricity that would be used to charge these buses comes from fossil fuels. as we mut put more appear more pressure on that grid we both have deteriorating grids and the need to generate more electricity as opposed to generate more fossil fuels.
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how do you think about both of those things? >> well we definitely need to do more about our grid. we have seen things that i never thought i'd see in america, like during the ice and snowstorms that hit texas. you know, blackouts lasting to the point that american families were melting snow balls in bath tubs to flush toilets. that shouldn't happen in the united states of america. any way you cut it we need to improve the grid. we have to invest in electricity. may not seem sexy. but imagine what happens if we move toward having more frequent problems or outages. it's simply unacceptable, given how much we rely on a good strong electric grid to make it possible to do everything from doing your homework to charging a car, to going about your life. >> you've said when you were mayor of south bend that you could repave every lane mile of street about every 100 years or something like that. >> correct. >> in normal times streets need repaycheck probably every 15 years. in times like this where this
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part of the country was relevanto well over 100 degrees for several days two weeks ago, we literally are seeing roads buckling, melting and crumbling. >> right. >> but, again, how do we think about long-term maintenance costs? it seems to be something we have a political problem accounting for. >> this is part of what we mean when we talk about resilient infrastructure. with the more frequent weather extremes we are seeing, you can pretty much guarantee that we're going to have more freeze that you cycles on roads in places like the midwest. unfortunately more deadly heat waves where we saw things like the roads buckling on i-5 in oregon. we have to build smart smarter and recognizing reality. we have to do our part to prevent climate change from getting worse, which is why i emphasize that this transportation policy is also climate policy, whether we call it that or not. >> so none of this should actually be partisan, right? historically it hasn't been. these days it seems everything
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is partisan. >> yeah. >> we seem to be able to get bipartisanship on the physical parts of the infrastructure that you're talking about, the transport, the electricity, we're having more difficulty on the other parts of it, the things that the president calls human infrastructure. republicans saying that's just dressing up an infrastructure bill with democratic priorities. how do you look at evolving this conversation into a world where we think of some of those human infrastructure things as part of infrastructure? >> i think the bottom line is these things are good policy. we could debate all day over what to call them. but the idea that americans ought to have paid parental leave, just like people in pretty much every other country, i think is something that you don't have to be a democrat or republican to believe in. across the country most think we ought to do it. it's in washington there seems to be a problem. early on in the debate if you remember a few months ago, talking about human infrastructure, i heard a lot of republicans saying childcare is
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great. building veterans hospital is great. we don't think it's infrastructure. you should put it in a different package. fine. now it's in a different package. let's see if they go for it now. >> some of the worst things in the country about keeping people separate have happened about transportation and infrastructure where highways went through and split communities, highways driven through places that black people lived in in this country. that's hard to change. how do we think about infrastructure in a serious way that centers equity in the middle of the conversation? >> it's critically important. and it is challenging. you know, if you have segregation caused by, let's say, a discriminatory hiring policy, at least in theory on paper that policy could be changed overnight. you can't change the location of a highway overnight. so if it went -- especially by design on a pathway deciding a black and white community, or removed a racially minoritized neighborhood which happened time
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and time again, north and south in this country, it's going to take a lot to address that. again, this is an example where many solutions come from the local level. our job is first of all to provide resources, secondly to provide expectation that the future decisions we make about where sources go promote and do not diminish equity. you know, the history of transportation and justice are much more closely connected than people think. i know it's not the first area of policy you think of maybe thinking about civil rights, for example. but from plessy versus ferguson, about who got to sit where on a train, to the montgomery bus boycott, the truth is they've never been separated. >> is that a role -- is there a role the federal government has in saying here is how we look at it and fix it over time. >> i think there is. and it's something we tried to make clear from the moment i came in this department. for example, if a community is trying to apply for a federal grant for dollars my department oversees. one of the things we expect to see is that the voices of
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underserved and overburdened people impacted by that that those voices are heard, part of the decision-making process. at the end of the day the day the voices of those excluded have to be in the lead in shaping solutions. and when they are, often the entire community is better off. >> well the rest of my conversation secretary buttigieg airs tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc. we're talking climate change how smart sustainable infrastructure can help save the planet. i'm in portland oregon right now. and there is arguably no place more burdened by the climate crisis at this moment than the state of oregon. the bootleg fire now the largest fire burning in the nation. we'll bring you an update after this. e nation we'll bring you an update after this for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it
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create giant fire clouds reaching up to six miles in the sky and can be seen from more than 100 miles away. experts attribute the extreme weather conditions on climate change saying drought and record-breaking heat have created perfect conditions for wildfires. while the east coast is experiencing record levels of rain. meanwhile, we see more of the climate crisis unfold in europe, historic flooding devastating parts of western germany and belgium. german media dubbed it the death flood. as of this morning, the associatinged press reported 150 people confirmed dead and more than 1,000 unaccounted for. the rhine river rose above flood stage inundating villages along the river bank. residents described the situation as apocalyptic. well addressing climate change was once a conservative priority, in fact the epa was created under a republican administration. weirdly, republicans are increasingly finding themselves
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on the wrong side of the growing climate crisis. but that might be changing. joining me now is my colleague tiffany cross of the cross connection. coming up today, you are going to talk to a member of the youly announced conservative climate caucus. which makes more sense than it might sound like to some people, because if you're a conservative you should be thinking about conserving the earth. >> you think so, right? but conservative chao climate caucus may sound like an oxymoron to some. but i'm i'll talk to the chairman of the caucus, congressman john curtis as extreme temperatures hit the northwest this week. we'll find out if the republicans have a plan of action on climate change because we really don't know if they support the policy. also, this morning, we will count down to the olympics. i'll talk to one of my favorite people gold medalist tommy smith who famously raised his fist in protest at the 1968 olympic
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games and vinnie blanco from the bronx. i'm talk to the actor about the plans for the new smithsonian museum celebrating american latino culture. i'm superexcited you've been working all morning but stick around and watch my show. >> this is the thing, tiffany. it's tiring i work late friday nights. get up early saturday morning i want to take a break afterwards. but i can't because the you book the show the way you do. and you can't. it's bad for the brain to skip the cross-connection. i will be there tiffany cross on the cross correction today at 10:00 a.m. thanks, friend. >> thank you. we're getting a new look inside the dark and deranged last day of the donald trump presidency. and the revelations are shocking and disturbing as you might expect. don't go anywhere. this is velshi on msnbc. this is velshi on msnbc. when technology is easier to use...
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well the writing on the wall -- with the writing on the wall donald trump new the days following the election and leading up to january 6th was his last window to cling to power. we have a new look inside how it all unfolded and how his autocratic tendencies reached new heights on that first wednesday in january. it's reported in an upcoming book by “washington post” reporter phil rucker and carol leonnig. in excerpts they write trump was back in his private dining room watching everything unfold on television. the president was riff oated. his sporters heeded his call to march on the capitol with pride and boldness. they added, for trump there was no more beautiful sight than the thousands of energetic people waving trump flags, wearing red caps and fighting to keep him in power. he thought, this is cool. he was happy. recalled one aide with donald trump that afternoon. when it turned violent, he thought, oh, crap.
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trump might have been surprised by it in the moment. but, remember, this is what he said just before his supporters stormed the capitol. >> we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more. >> he later tweeted, quote, these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. end quote. the book quotes senator lindsey graham saying quote it took trump a while to appreciate the gravity of the situation. the president saw these people as allies in the journey and sympathetic to the idea the election was stolenen. end quote. who doesn't want allies who threaten the lives of law enforcement, thwart the transition of power and vandalize unone of the most important building ins country in haze brown and writer and editor of msnbc daily, with me
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nicholas kris to have, a pulitzer prize winning columnist for the "new york times" and author of tight rope, americans reaching for hope. gentleman, good to see you. welcome to both of you. nick, last night i was talking to timothy snyder who spent much of 2020, the yale professor and historian, warning us about the big lie and how history tells us exactly how this plays out. and i remember people telling me at the time, timothy snyder is an alarmist. that's not how this is going to go. yet this book indicates that it's almost as if donald trump read a history book and realized that after lying about how the votes were going to go bad he could actually see this play out to his benefit. >> yeah, you know, ali, i spent five years reporting in china. i was always staggered by the ability of chinese communist party officials who had endured the cultural revolution, endured the great famine under maoist
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rule and we want it under history and went to the enormous efforts to rewrite history. and, you know, we americans would watch that with disbelief. and yet we see that, something very similar happening here in terms of gop leaders who saw firsthand what happened and yet have now reverted to that big lie and perpetuated it. and, you know, i do think that we have to look at why that tunism comes about, and why they see it in the interest to reiterate the big lie. that has to do in turn with the sayo way some media platforms have made a lot of americans believe these ideas and made it necessary for people to feel a loyalty to them. >> chris -- sorry, hays i want to ask you we're cautious on this show about using nazi on hit letter analogies. there is little space for them.
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but in the book there is a description of how general mark milley of the joint chiefs of staff quote saw trump as a classic authoritarian leader with something nothing to lose. he earlier described to arids that he had stomach churning feelings that some of the 20th century faces of fascism were replay manage america. he saw parallel between trump and adoll of hit letter's followers at the newsroom rk rallies that he was a victim and their savior. and one of the points here, hays in the like stag fire in berlin, hit letter said to everybody it's the communists and leftists who did this. and it was the moment in which germany turned from being a democracy into an authoritarian regime. >> yeah, for sure. and there were -- milley was worried about this being moment.
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and there is now the lie spreading it was antifa who actually was the one doing the attacking on january 6th and things of that nature. but luckily no one thought in the days after january 6th to pass an enabling act like they did in germany that would have given trump the power to take on the leftists who started the riot at the capitol. so, i mean, thankfully history already diverged from that point. i can see why general milley was so concerned about the way trump's rhetoric was being used to fuel the populist violence. i know he was big -- according to the excerpts from the book yet to be released, he was big on the idea that the military is apolitical, staying out of the fight. and privately expressing concerns and worries. but i do kind of wish that if it
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was this big a deal that they had come forward. because this was national security and the threat to the constitution and to the peaceful transfer of power. i do wish that some of the people quoted in these books had come forward a little bit sooner with concerns instead of waiting for this all to play out and blow over. >> yeah, and -- by the way we reached out to general milley's people. he has declined to comment about the reporting in the book we are relying on on the authors of the book msnbc contributors and with us going to take a quick break. i want to discuss coverage of this new presidency when we come back. hays brown, stay with me. we will continue after a quick break. h me we will continue after a quick break. ost trusted brand winner, seven years in a row. in fact, subaru has won most trusted brand for more consecutive years than any other brand. no wonder kelley blue book also picked subaru
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them. with the election of joe biden we now have a compe tent leader who drills down on the issues whether or not you agree with him or his policies he is actually policy oriented. we can all admit that a biden policy speech is not the most excited event to watch. for most people. it is actually kind of exciting to me because i like this kind of stuff. the content of what he is saying is often important, and deeply relevant to most americans, which is why this recent article about biden caught my eye. quote, voters it seems decided to choose boring over bombast. mr. biden recently called the explainer inform n-chief by his press secretary often struggles to reach the potential historical oratorical heights of the position he holds. two of the wonkiest people i know, a business out of policy guys, hayes brown, and nicholas kristof, a pulitzer prize winner for, this one of the wonkiest
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people i know, you cover stories and get into deep, deep, deep detail. so for you, a policy who is policy oriented, whether or not you agree with joe biden's policies, a president who is policy-oriented is not boring to you. >> that's right, but i'm afraid that the viewers will ever read my column again. i think the challenge for us in journalism is that we know, i mean a lot of us i think went into journalism because we want to help make this a better world and we know there are a lot of things that are really important, that are hard to get an audience for, and i know there is a time when there is a business model for much of journalism is struggling and that presents a challenge but i don't think that we in journalism have done as good of a job as, you know, as viewers maybe have, in preferring that substance over bombast. i think when historians look
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back with the child tax credit, which would reduce child poverty by half is the most important legacy and i don't think we have had enough conversation about it. i don't think we have had enough conversation about 93,000 americans dying last year from drug overdoses. and the policies that could save those lives. and we can do better. >> i completely agree with you. hayes, let me read an article in response to that article by dan pfeiffer, obama's senior adviser, co-host of podcast save america and the danger of political reporting that devolves into theater criticism is that it incentivizes all of the wrong behavior. it is now we ended up with trump and serves as evidence that too many people have learned too few lessons from the trump era. it is a way to end up with an over the hill reality tv star as president. he could say something offensive or sane at any time.
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another way to put itting joe biden is more boring than trump because he doesn't commit a half dozen moral and criminal offenses on twitter before 7:00 a.m. i got to say i'm with dan with this. >> i split the difference here. i love policy. i love that biden gets into details, gets wonky about it but i love dan's term theater critic because it fits and i got to leave that a little bit because part of the importance of the press zaens -- presidency and communications and messaging is to take the wonky ideas to turn them into something that is understandable and relatable and people want to engage with and it is hard to do that with some of these bigger more complex more con vo lurted ideas but you got to try. . i personally, i love reading biden's speeches and getting into the details, but listening to it even i have to admit can be hard sometimes. this was true for obama and clinton as was pointed out in the "new york times" article. but to say that, you know, trump was more interesting and
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engaging, i don't know that is the way that i would put it, considering the tact that yes, you had to listen to trump's speeches to parse what the heck he was talking about and b he could announce at any moment the complete withdrawal of u.s. troops from europe and an import tariff on pancake syrup from canada. you never knew. so i am very glad we have a president who understands policies and understands what he is talking about when he is giving the speeches. i wish there was a little more zuzsh to them, i'm not going to lie. >> there is nothing boring about syrup from my home country. >> and i'm four tenths of a mile from yam hill in oregon. and i've been to your state. i'm in portland which has a lot of issues. i think it was, who published the fact that it was one of the top ten places to live in america, just the other day.
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but if you watch fox news, it is the end, u.s. news and world report did that, if you listen to fox news, it is the end of the world, it is a lawless frontier, and there is a very big fire burning south of here, there's a lot going on in oregon. >> yes, and i have to say welcome to oregon, and thank you for pronouncing the state's name right, rather than the oregon, that we sometimes hear. the state has so much going for it. but i think we also have to acknowledge that there are real challenges in portland. you saw the homelessness. there are genuine disorder problems in portland, and we've seen in poles that a lot of people in the portland area are reluctant to go downtown at night so these are genuine challenges that we oregonians have to address and the degree to which fox news in particular has tried to turn portland into
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a war zone is both preposterous and does a real disservice to this amazing state. just to be a propaganda-ist for a moment. >> we are going to do a story, i spent a few days talking to people in portland about that whole situation. it will air tomorrow morning. thanks to both of you. msnbc daily writer hayes brown and columnist for "the new york times," nicholas kristof. catch me tomorrow morning from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern and tomorrow we will dive into the climate crisis with secretary pete buttigieg and a group of oregon locals and the true story of the city of portland. you heard the narrative about violence and anarchy. spoiler alert. it's not the full picture. i'm going to try to get my producer to take me to a store here in portland. shoe not go anywhere. because the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right now.
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we keep hearing like democracy, and democrats need to act like it and i still don't think they're acting like it. i'm glad president biden said something about it. we're not still moving enough, and still being delusional and why does he think that to save people, who are clearly devoted to the president, would ever act for the john lewis voting rights act? >> good morning, we have a lot to cover on the cross connection but we begin, with as you just saw, charlemagne, the guy who spoke with so many people who officially said talk is cheap mr. president. >> from coast to coast gop officials continued to introduce and pass laws that restrict voting access. and in response, biden gave a speech on tuesday that can effectively be translated as, please let the black and brown people vote. please. come on, guys. and look, i know a lot of you are say, hey, we can still have trump in office. look, i know that. there's plenty of blame to go

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