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>> you have to read this stuff. >> here we are. john and i started out at the bottom in law school and here we are with dj rosenberg. what a fitting note to end the week on. thank you. dr. fauci is up next on the reid out and tiffany cross is in for joy reid. >> i want to say i too start frd the bottom and now i'm here. i'll take it from here. have great weekend. see you on monday. good evening, everybody. we begin the reid out with a snapshot of america starting with washington, d.c. vice president kamala harris met with black women voting rights activists at the white house just hours ago. >> i look at the leaders that are at this table who are also women and also black women and i
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see ida b. wells. i see fanny lou. constance baker motley. these are the modern versions of those great women. in. >> in texas, a bill so restrictive, it could strip voting rights from millions of texans, namely latino black voters. texas democrats fleeing their home state conspiracy theoryists continue to paw through ballots.
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the one crucial thing missing from this snapshot tonight, a solution. there isn't even a path to a solution. president biden said it himself. the 21st century jim crow assault is real. the world filibuster never came up. it's hard to imagine a time when black people were not fighting for voting rights. yesterday was no different. the struggle continues. we saw eight other activists get arrested while peacefully call for senate action. we have seen that good trouble in our nation's history time and again. there's indeed a loud and growing grassroots movement to save american democracy being led yet again by black women. that very movement found its way into the west wing today. the question on every one's mind, when will federal legislation finally catch up? joining me now, melanie
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campbell, the president and ceo of the national coalition on black women participation. she was one of the nine protesters arrested yesterday. also joining us, my pal, angela rye. check out her podcast, on one with angela rye. i think we're all frustrated. what is did vice president kamala harris say? what's the plan here? >> first of all, i'm tickled pink to be on with both of you all. love both of you all so much. thank you for your leadership and speaking truth to power. with vice president harris, part of it was listing and really hearing what we had to say and
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the recommendations really challenging them to look creatively. talk about how you can utilize whole of government approach, if you will like you've done doing with covid or even aca and other kinds of things. use all of your tools in the tool box. also continue to treat this as the state of emergency that it is. that means you have to put it all out. utilize various levels of the administration. >> i think the one thing people want to know is did the word filibuster come up? did you talk about manchin? >> i would say this, because we had 21 sisters as well as
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georgia, we covered a lot of ground. we didn't spend a lot of time on filibuster. we did bring it up. we didn't solve the problem, obviously. definitely understand that we have to -- it doesn't require -- a little worn. but it was about looking -- >> all right. i think we're having some challenges with melanie's feed. angela, i want to turn to you here. 90% of black women voted for president joe biden. we are the democrats most loyal voting block. there's a long ongoing battle of voter suppression. when they say this is based on the big lie. that's the big lie. voter suppression has been an issue in our community since forever. we can't organization ourselves out of this. we have to legislate ourselves out of this. we can't wait for the courts to
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save us. what as a political strategist, somebody who used to be the executive director of congressional black caucus, what's the path forward? >> i wish it was that easy to say here is the solution but we have two major problems in front of us. one is the shelby versus holder decision in 2013 which gutted section five to have voting rights act. the one that john lewis fought, protested for and got beat as we crossed the edmund pettus bridge for. the next section gut section two. we don't have to worry about impact. that puts voting rights and civil rights advocates in the position to have to democrat
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intent. it has to ensure the intentions and impact are protected. the protests are the beginning but it's time for the house to step up and say we passed this bill now twice. it's time for you to meet us in middle and requires an exception, via filibuster, so be it. that's what it looks like we are.
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we're willing to risk your lives but the fact you have to do that in 2021 is a huge problem. that's where we need to start. >> i agree. we have sisters that say we cannot believe we're here. i put up my organizes and protests, i said this one i have to step up and do what i need to do with my sisters that were also a part of what we're doing this week. when you know a situation is as bad as it is when you can think it's okay to shelve the voting rights because you don't have the votes and that's how we'll say that's not on our watch.
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it's not going be -- it's one party rule it's not just our black women. the reality is it's about all americans at the end of the day. when they come for us, they will come for you. i have hope that folks will do the right thing. we have to push them. we have a long way to go and we don't have a lot of time to do it. >> all right.
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go ahead. it's a problem in 48 states. almost 400 bills have been introduced by republicans. it's time to fight. >> this should not fall on black women's shoulders to save this country from itself. thank you so much. as i mentioned earlier, a key hot spot in voting rights is arizona.
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>> you are krengt and i'm glad you brought up this ap story that is showing there isn't any fraud going on. there really hasn't been on any previous election either. this has been a made up story of people just trying to appease donald trump. they were making phone calls and folks never involved in this process before got involved. if those republicans really want to audit something, they should audit why donald trump led so many people to get active in ways they never have. >> i want to put some meat on
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that bone. the arizona county election officials have identified fewer than 200 cases of potential voter fraud. this isn't exactly voter fraud. this is out of three million ballots. some were republican cast votes. what can the federal government do at this point? >> every avenue we have within the court system is being systemically taken away from us. everything that we could have done legislatively is being taken away from us. now we're having to depend on the federal government, at this point in time, for states like
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arizona, texas, wisconsin, georgia, all of these places where these republican legislatures are passing some draconian election laws. we're having to depend on congress to come by and say let's take a look at what's really going on here. i hope our attorney general investigates because donald trump was calling our senate leaders just before this thing happened.
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>> greg abbott is trying to usher through conservative pipe dream with not om banning 24 hour voting but trying to expand or limit abortion rights and anti-trans laws. it's really scary here. it cast a wide dark shadow over all of it really. >> i'm hoping -- i think you said the magic word that's happening in the senate. that word is filibuster. in normal time, i would say that's probably not the thing that we need to be focusing on but tiffany, we are looking at an existential crisis here. our very democracy is being put to the test in ways that we couldn't have imagined.
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when president biden said this is the worse since the civil war, he is absolutely correct. like i said, i wouldn't normally be for ending that filibuster but this is existential. that's the single most powerful thing that can happen right now. let's get s1 passed, hr1 is already there. let's make sure that people who in good faith want to cast their vote as their civic duty, as their responsibility as americans are able to do so conveniently, easily, safely. that's what we should be focused on. >> yeah. voting. it's the corner stone of our democracy and it's being eroded before our eyes. arizona state representative, thank you so much. don't go anywhere, anarchy in the white house in the final days of the trump administration. i know you aren't surprised by that. the real danger when an unhinged president focused only on the big lie. dr. anthony fauci joins us
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we have seen a flood of damning revolutions emerge from three new books about the final year of trump administration. we're learning how many people close to trump believed he was dangerous especially in the weeks approaching january 6th. those books could potentially serve as something of a road map for the house select committee proviing investigators with a flu line of inquiry as they probe the causes of the january 6th insurrection. for instance, they may want to speak to the chairman of the
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joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley. according to washington post reporters, he took steps to prevent a potential coup and linked trump's big lie to hitler's rise to power. the theme also came up in the book, "frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost" bender reports as trump purged the ranks of the pentagon to install his hand picked loyalists, secretary of state pompeo and general milly believed some of trump's new hires were conspiracy theoryists and discussed whether others might have linkeds to neo nazi groups. that's not to mention the astonishing fact that trump told his chief of staff that hitler did a lot of good things. none of that has seemed to bother republicans. they all still worship at the alter of trump. that includes house minority
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leader kevin mccarthy or house followers who made a pigrimage to trump's club in new jersey just yesterday. joining me is spike mike l bender, senior white house reporter and author of we did win this election. the inside story of how trump lost and my friend, former rnc chairman, michael steele. thank you so much for being here. michael, i want to start with you. your book was full of revolutions. i have to say this stuff was not necessarily surprising we saw crazy play out every day. it was interesting the see it all play out here. i'm curious, what surprised you most given the crazy that we saw? what surprised you most? >> it's a really good question. the story of crazy and cay yus is one well known. you don't have to be a white house reporter to know that.
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i knew it all too well. i wrote a thousands stories for the wall street journal over the four years of this trump administration but what struck me a lot when i was reporting this book was not the chaos but the senior people around trump thought he was dangerous for the country. that he become violent and unhinged in his desperation to hold onto office. he wanted to shoot americans. he told them to shoot americans who were protesting peacefully civil rights abuses, civil justice abuses. you mention pompeo, pompeo left others with the impression he thought trump might want to lean into an international conflict to strengthen his argue for remaining in office. these were pretty shocking revelations that i thought well beyond the day-to-day chaos we were used do on the outside. >> i want to accident in question with you for a minute
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because you talk about secretary of state mike pompeo and i remember after the election was called and people were wondering what was going to happen because trump had not conceded. mike pompeo said we are prepared to continue the next four years. what did you uncover about his unwilling ens even though he thought trump was crazy, he on the stage, was not saying that. >> not only pompeo organized daily call with general milley who you mentioned and the chief of staff in order to keep a check on temperatures and try to make sure international situations were -- that tensions were low. i think what happened here is that i talked to a lot of people around trump who viewed themselves as truth tellers to the president. they thought they were the guardrails around him but when you do the reporting and talk to the people in the room who heard
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these conversations, every one kind of had their own way to hedge. i'm thinking about mike pence and the run up to january 6th where trump wads pushing him. this is detailed in the book, pushing him to overturn the election results and pence and his team thought they had been very clear with the president. what pence told him was, i don't think there's any authority here for me to do what you're asking, but if your legal team has come up with a different analysis, we'll take a look at anything. mike pence is a polite man and thought he was being respectful. trump hearing the second part. when i interviewed president trump and asked him if pence had ever told him he wasn't going to overturn the election, trump told me no, he hadn't. >> wow. mike pence may be polite, it doesn't make him any less culpable in all this that happened. michael, i have to ask you, the
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other michael. make this make sense. i'm petty enough to say 8,000 more times, we tried to tell you. now that other people seem to have caught on, why are republicans still beholden to this crazy person? he's mental. >> yeah, you know, they picked up 11, 12 house seats and they drew the senate to a draw and their position to take the house and the senate next year. where is the downside? michael and his great reporting and incredible book has laid out the narrative. we saw it realtime and now we can connect a lot of dots behind the scene and there was no accountability. who was accountable for the last four years, five years? who's been accountable for that? there was no penalty paid by republicans. until there is, there will be no accountability. it's like raising a bad child
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that you refuse to do the very thing you need to do to get them on the straight and narrow and sit there and wonder, why hasn't their behavior changed. well, you haven't disciplined them. you have not made them pay a consequence or price for their bad behavior. voters need to stop complaining and wondering why republicans are behaving and acting the wap they are. you're giving them the license. it doesn't matter what state it is. there's no national outcry against what republicans are wrought over the last four years culminating on january 6th to the point, to the point that they just brazenly said we don't even want to do an investigation and there ain't a thing you can do about it. that's where we are. i don't know what else to say at this point except, we got to change that and the way you change it, hold them accountable. >> it's kind of crazy to me that after all this country has done to people who look like you and
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me, that we can stand here and by the bigger patriots because people prioritize power over patriotism. >> they hold us accountable in a heartbeat. >> they hold us accountable and we disproportionately suffer at the hand of this crazy and policy. we have to leave it there. thank you so much michael bender. your book is great. michael steele, thaing for joining. covid cases are on the rise with four states accounting for 40% of the new cases. the cdc director says this now becoming pandemic of the unvaccinated. dr. anthony fauci, america's favorite doctor, one of my favorites joins us next. we'll be right back. f my favorites joins us next. we'll be right back.
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contagious continues to spread. just four states accounted for 40% of all cases in the last week. one in five new cases have originated in florida where governor ron desantis has proudly staked his political ambitions on dismissing the vaccination. many have been receiving false and misleading information from social media or right leaning news outlets. 11 out of the top 15 posts were negative or anti-vaccine. president biden was asked about this today. >> on covid police information, what's your message to platforms like facebook? >> they're killing people. i mean -- look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. they are killing people. >> they're killing people.
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with me now is dr. anthony fauci. america's favorite doctor. director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases and chief medical adviser to president joe biden. i'm honored to have you. i want to get right to it. a lot of people have a lot of questions. when i come across people who haven't been vaccinated, they say i've been okay so far. i haven't caught covid. i'm more anxious about the vaccine than catching covid. what is your advice to those folks tonight? >> i think they just need to look at the numbers that you just mentioned. 99.5% of the people who have been hospitalized and died and or died from covid-19 are unvaccinated and about 0.5% are among the vaccinated individuals. if you look at the numbers you just mentioned, we have a large percentage of the new infections that we're reporting every day
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are in those regions of the country where the vaccination rate is very low. it's really very unfortunate for someone to say i have not gotten infected yet. that means i'm okay. it's just not facing the reality of the high degree of effectiveness of the vaccine, the threat of the virus and the fact that, you look at the risk benefit versus adverse affects, it falls in favor of vaccination. we need to reach out to people. that's probably done best by trusted messengers who might try to convince them that the folly of thinking that everything is going to be okay if people don't get vaccinated is a real problem. we like two types of america. those who are vaccinated and those who are not. the risk for those who are not vaccinated is substantial.
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>> we talk about highly transmissable and contagious. nn people who are vaccinated, including myself, that are fearful. is there any chance the delta variant can penetrate the existing vaccines that many of us have already in. >> only if you have more mutations and you have a modification of the variant. the delta variant, as we know now, is very, very transmissable in the sense of its efficiency in being able to go from one person to another. there's no doubt about that. it's much more than the prior viruses that we had to deal with. that's for sure. if you allow the virus to continue to circulate namely replicate in the community going from person to person, you give it ample opportunity to mutate more and the more it mutate, the greater likelihood it is that it would change enough to evade the
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vaccine. right now, fortunately, for us, the vaccines work very well against the delta variant, particularly in preventing you from getting serious disease that might lead to hospitalization. we are fortunate we have vaccines that work even against this very troublesome vaiant which why it's stunning why people do not want to get vaccinated when you have an basic effective tool that can be life saving. >> the virus is getting smarter. the virus is trying to live and it's getting smarter. i think we'll keep seeing these new variants, when it comes to boosters. there's some confusion about pfizer saying you need a booster. the white house said not so fast. when will it be time for vaccinated people to get
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boosters? >> you just follow the people who have been vaccinated. we have a number of cohorts that are being followed by the cdc. some test to determine what the proper approach would be to doing boosters but right now, we don't see the need to boost people. what will likely happen is some time over a period of time, the durability of protection might diminish to the point that it gets below that critical baseline where there could be an increased risk of the vaccine not being as effective as it originally was. then there's the situation of those people who are immune compromised. people that might be on medications that suppress their immunity. also maybe some elderly people. they may need a boost sooner rather than the general population. we're not there yet.
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we're not there yet. the message is the vaccines are very effective in preventing serious disease and if you get vaccinated you can feel reasonably confident that if you get infected which you likely won't, but if you do, that you're not going to wind up getting a severe outcome. >> i'm curious because there's a state of emergency in japan right now where the olympics are taking place. in your expert medical opinion, should the olympics have been cancelled? >> i don't really want to make that determination. that really has to be done at the level of the local health authorities. the japanese are very competent. they have very good health people and physician. i don't think it would be appropriate for me on the other side of the ocean, the other
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side of the world, telling them what they should be doing with the olympics. >> let's talk about masks. we were all locked up for a year. i know i see a lot of people out. every one is ready to turn up this summer. concerts are happening. people are social. should we wear masks indoor, outdoors, ubers, in cars with people? what's the guidance there for you? >> the guidance is the guidance from the cdc, tiffany. if you're fully vaccinated, you do not need to wear mask indoors or outdoors. what we are seeing in the real world is that in those areas where you have a lot of dynamics of transmission and you have situation where a proportion of the population in particular given geographic area might be very low with regard to the percentage of people who are vaccinated. under those circumstance, local authorities like in certain
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states or certain cities are saying even though you are vaccinated, just to be doubly sure when you're indoors, you should be wearing mask. the broader country wide recommendation is that if you're vaccinated, you're protected and you don't need to wear mask indoor or outdoor. you'll be hearing about situations where people will say, hey, if you're in an area with high density of infection and a low level of community vaccine, you might want to consider wearing mask even if you are vaccinated. >> yeah. thank you so much dr. fauci for providing clarity there and for everything you have done for america during the pandemic. thanks for being here. i want to say to the folks at home, if you are questioning the vaccine, just note the only people who are aligning with you questioning the vaccine come from the maga crowd. you don't want to be on the wrong side of history. donald trump plans a tour with bill o'reilly and lawmakers
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with the republican party continuing its dangerous complicity with the twice impeached florida retiree, matt gaetz is spending big money. according to new federal election commission filings, his campaign has paid $20,000 a year to a florida consulting firm run by florida man himself, roger stone. a firm the justice department alleges was used by stone and his wife to evade taxes. the daily beast noted a few days before the new york times broke news of the investigation, he
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paid stone $5,000 for strategic consulting. what is that? he paid him another $5,000 three days after that news broke. gaetz campaign has paid $25,000 to a law firm that represented convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein and mexican drug lord el chapo. dean, i mean, this crazy florida man in bed and in ka hoots with other florida men. is florida going to do the right thing and keep this guy out of the hall of congress or will he be reelected? >> i hope so. the gop love limb. a sex scandal makes you more popular in the gop. he's got roger stone. while not get paul manafort, michael flynn. get the whole band back
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together. do they not know anyone else beside the people in this crime world. they are not that good. it's not like trump won. he lost the popular vote twice. there's no electoal claej to save you in florida. you have to win the most votes. it's sad but not unexpected. >> not unexpected. what do you make of this? the scary thing about all this that i don't want to make light of is he is under investigation of sex trafficking. some of these accusations are with under age girls. while he's out here making it rain on his fellow florida men, you have to wonder how can the gop kind of align themselves with him? >> i'm in the surprised he's doing this. he's been one of the most vocal defenders of trump throughout the administration. i'm afraid there are some hard
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numbers to back up exactly what dean is saying. they posted their fund raising numbers and gaetz is one of the top three republicans in the house who raised over a million dollars, almost $2 million. a lot of it largely from small donors. something that we're seeing with the house gop is the more extreme, outlandish that you are, a lot of these small donors in the republican party are rewarding that behavior. >> yeah, i want to switch gears here a bit. week and said he doesn't know if he is going to retire. he said the first consideration is his health, the second is i am a little nervous. we just got this news that came down today that the judge has ruled against daca. this canai eventually bubble upo the supreme court along with a number of other cases. dean, how do you send breyer packing? i'm concerned about that. >> justice breyer, if you are
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watching be my co-host on my radio show. we can work together, your name can go first. i have no problem with that. he is 82, will be 83 next month. there are concerns as mitch mcconnell made it very clear if the gop gets control of the senate again they will never let president biden confirm a supreme court justice. the big issue is five of the nine supreme court justices were appointed by republicans who didn't win the popular vote. you have tyranny of the supreme court. we have to expand the supreme court. i know we have to have voting rights first, but expand the supreme court because it is 6-3. we are literally decades from taking control unless we expand the supreme court. i wish we could do that. it might be breyer could stay longer if he wanted to. >>he yes. w i mean this is a part of the problem because given thet vot suppression laws, you can easily see republicans taking back the house, taking back the senate, killing the filibuster on day one, and then good luck getting any of your justices confirmed.
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look, joe biden ran on "i will appoint a black woman to the supreme court."ma so you have ms. jackson on the sidelines confirmed by the senate for a lower court. what is the solution here with justice breyer clinging for dear life to that supreme court seat? >> i think, unfortunately, we are in a tough situation here where there is agh lot of questn about whether or not public pressure campaigns will work on forcing him or encouraging him to retire. i do think people should continue to be outspoken about the issue and really illustrate what is at stake because it is nos less than what we have bee talking about here, voting rights, our actual democracy. i think these areri issues that are hugely important, and i hope that in time justice breyer comes to see that and makes that perhaps his number one issue. but i think there is going to be a lot of continued public advocacy in this regard, and it is only going to continue to get more important. now, you mentioned biden and voting rights as well. i think he gave this fantastic
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speech this week calling attention to voting rights that we are seeing state by state, but the filibuster is another area where i think the public pressure is going to ramp up. if biden really believes we are in this existential threat to democracy, then he needs to get behind actions like killing the filibuster. >>g yeah. that whole speech, not a mention ofot filibuster, not a mention manchin, not a mention of sinema. how badly do you want it? all right. don't go anywhere. you aret sticking around to te us who won the week. that's next. you don't want to miss it. i got a good choice, so don't miss it. stay tuned. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi.
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dean obeidallah and versha sharma. versha, tell me, who won the week? >> look, i work with teen "vogue", i have to different ot to the most popular teenager in the nation, ms. olivia rodrigo who showed up to encourage young people to be vaccinated. actually, teen "vogue" will have more of her speaking with dr. fauci. stay tuned for that. >> i love that. i love that pick. i don't know why young people aren't getting vaccinated. you guys, get vaccinated. dean tell me, who won the week? >> first my mom, she turned 92 today. camille observe dahl au, 100% sicilian. she tells people she is 72, so if you see her, don't mention i told you. i got my fighting spirit from her. the other winner, someone my mom would like very much,
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congresswoman joyce beatty who was arrested yesterday showing us the fierce urgency, as martin luther king put it, finally. this is so important, you can be too late as martin luther king said. she is showing this is the issue, voting is our life blood and she wants people to be aware. fundamentally aware, the most vital infrastructure, voting. >> i saw your instagram about your mom so i knew not to say how much she is. happy birthday to her. yes for joyce beatty, chair of the congressional black caucus. her husband passed away a few weeks ago and she showed up to get here. i have to say my pick. i love crab country. you guys, this show was nominated for so many emmys this week. it came out last summer on hbo and i have to tell you that it fed my spirit, it fed my soul.
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it was such a beautiful take, and each episode, what i loved, they had a real, live african-american historian read over the episodes. it was amazing. so check it out. thank you so much, dean obeidallah and versha sharma. that's tonight's reidout. don't you worry because joy will be back on monday, so be sure to tune into tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern for "the cross connection." my guests include 1968 olympic gold medalist tommy smith. i'm so excited. and one of my favorite actors will also join me to talk about the new smithsonian latino museum. don't go anywhere because "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in," radicalized by the president six months after the trump insurrection, two trump supporters charged with plotting to blow up the democratic headquarters in california. then, ed young on the covid nightmare in missouri as the president speaks plainly

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