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join our friend lawrence o'donnell right now in the last word. so lawrence i'm gonna get out of the way because i'm eager to hear about joyce beatty and her experience today. >> rachel, it is stunning to see how many minutes, and we're talking single digit minutes, it took for her to get arrested when you compare that with january six. it has taken months to arrest some of those people. in fact, most of those people who are at the capitol on january six have not been arrested. so this juxtaposition today, and your coverage of it, was brilliant earlier in the hour coming into this. it's just -- i understand it, theoretically, what's that arrest was about today. but stacking it against january six is just stunning. >> and in its own terms, it's stunning even as a stand-alone thing. she and those other leaders
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today those african american leaders standing there in the a trans singing, and preparing to be arrested, putting themselves at risk, getting handcuffed and taken away, we but calling the moral question with such glaring dignity. it's a moving thing. and effective thing. it's the kind of moral sledgehammer that's going to be needed to knock down these stores that are otherwise shut. >> yes and one of the theories of this arrest is that your some way obstructing what's going on. in this case in the hard senate office building where that atrium is close to the size of grand central station. it is impossible for them to have created any sort of traffic situation in that gigantic space. >> all they did was make people choke up and think twice about their priorities and that was
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the traffic the cause. they're >> exactly. thank you rachel. well the two infrastructure bills moving on to legislative tracks in congress now have a timetable on those tracks. senate majority leader chuck schumer says the first vote on one of the bills will be next wednesday. >> and as i've said from the start madam president, as i've said from the start, the two tracks of infrastructure are going to move in tandem. we're making good progress on both tracks. we and the democratic caucus heard from the president yesterday on the budget resolution. the meeting was wonderful. the excitement was palpable. the opportunity to do so much good for so many american families was in the air. in that meeting. it was exciting. and, as that happened, the bipartisan working groups had
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many meetings on the bipartisan infrastructure framework as well. >> the first votes senator schumer is scheduling on wednesday will be on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. that is a procedural vote, but it is the most important vote on that bill because it takes 60 votes to then allow an actual vote on the bill itself. >> everyone has been having productive conversations and it's important to take the keep the two track process movie. -- we must all finalize our agreement so that the senate can begin considering that legislation next week. and, i am setting the same deadline, next wednesday, for the entire senate democratic caucus to agree to move forward on the budget resolution with reconciliation and instructions. >> that means that majority
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leader schumer plans to pass the bipartisan bill first in the senate and then, after the august recess, bring the democrats only infrastructure bill to the senate floor, protected them by budget reconciliation rules that allow it to pass with a simple majority vote. and the house of representatives speaker nancy pelosi said the house will not vote on the senate bipartisan bill until the senate votes on the 3.5 trillion dollar bill that has been outlined by senate budget committee chairman bernie sanders, and that the democrats plan to pass, in september, in that budget reconciliation process. today, montana's moderate democrat jon tester about -- said this about the 3.5 trillion dollar bill. >> there's a 3.5 trillion is
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not unreasonable. it's a lot of money, but if it spent appropriately, it will do this country a lot of good. >> today president biden said he is confident that this two track legislative process, which has never been tried before, we'll work and will deliver over four chilean dollars in total infrastructure improvements in this country. >> i understand why the press among others is skeptical that i can actually get this deal done, on infrastructure and on human infrastructure. and i've watched and listen in the press declare my initiative dead so far. i don't think instead, i think it's still alive. i still have confidence will be able to get when i proposed. >> leading off our discussions tonight is someone i'm eager to talk to about this legislation
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pramila jayapal of washington state, she is chair of the congressional caucus -- a part of the house budget committee. you're in the thick of this. this budget resolution that bernie sanders is working on in the senate, the 3.5 trillion dollars, is going to come your way in the house budget committee if this works you will have to pass something virtually identical. what is your reaction to chairman sanders product so far, the 3.5 trillion dollar, democrats only bill? >> well, lawrence, i think it is a huge down payment on much of what we have been talking about in terms of the great crises facing americans today, and the lack of opportunity that people have. there's so many things in this bill from health care, expanding medicare, which we have been pushing for for a long time, expanding medicaid, making sure that we are
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addressing the ability for people to go to college, community college, for two years. that's a big piece. and of course the company that gets people -- woman into the workforce, paid leave, long term care. and taking on climate. so those are three big buckets that are within this proposal. now, obviously, we wanted more. we think that it deserves more, but i would say that this is a down payment. we are still looking at the specifics of each of these things because there are five priorities that the progressive caucus laid out. every one of those five priorities is in the reconciliation bill, and that includes immigration, climate, housing health care, medicare expansion, these are all the things that are contained within this 3.5 trillion. what's the numbers are is where we are still working. and then, let's be clear, this is a down payment. >> let's listen to what
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congresswoman ocasio-cortez said about this. >> this bill is absolutely a progressive victory. because, if it wasn't for progressives in the house, we probably would be stuck with that tiny, pathetic bipartisan bill alone. and that would've been the entirety of our infrastructure spending. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, this is essentially the reaction i was expecting because i assumed that chairman sanders had made sure, before he revealed an agreement of the democrats on his big budget committee, that it would be acceptable, it would be acceptable to you and speaker pelosi. did you have direct communications with chairman sanders, or do you know how chairman sanders made sure that what he was going to reveal would be acceptable? >> senator sanders highland i
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have been talking every couple of days. our staffs are in very close coordination. but obviously, lawrence, the specifics are not all outlined. so several months ago, we put out five priorities. i communicated those five priorities very clearly to senator centers. i said, this is what we will have to address. a few months ago we said, we will not vote on a bipartisan deal unless this reconciliation package was voted on at the same time. at the time, no one else was saying that. but progressive said that, we whipped our members, the vast majority of our members said they would not vote for that bipartisan bill. and senator schumer, everyone is on the same page. so i think that progressives both inside congress and outside have made this entire package possible. of course we, along with
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biden's expensive vision. if we didn't have a president with that kind of expensive vision, none of this would be happening. if we had a lot -- we need to take some progressive victories here. and we will continue to work on the specifics of what this exactly looks like. >> and we just heard from senator jon tester who was on board with this spending and as you know, he comes from a republican state in montana, somehow manages to get reelected there, an ongoing miracle of sorts. but pulling him along into the same place where senator sanders is now, where you are now, shows us that this bill as of now seems to have the full support of the democratic party. we haven't heard specifically joe manchin saying, yes i'm 100 percent on board with this, but this is the moment where someone in his position is
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meant to come forward and say, this is something i cannot accept. and it sounds like in the meeting with the present yesterday, all of the democratic send senators, really in effect, accepted all of this. we >> i think you have to understand why, and i really appreciated the way he put it. there is so much need out there. today, lawrence, 60 million families -- families of 60 million kids are going to get checks somewhere between 300 and $350 per child. and that incredible need that we are addressing, with the child tax credit, is the same kind of thinking that went into whatever the demands of this bill. it is for people to go to community college for two years, for three, to have hope and a higher education. it's for people to be able to retire at 62 and still get medicare benefits, get their dental, vision, and hearing paid for as well. it's also for people to be able
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to know that their plan it is going to survive. that we have mass transit, that we have a way to really protect this planet for our children. and, of course, if people get childcare and they get paid leave, imagine how different life would look like for anyone across the united states of america. that is populist policy, it is popular policy, whether you're in montana, or whether you're in washington state, or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really the need -- the need is so great. and he's absolutely right when he says we can absolutely, and we need to, spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we need your perspective on this. >> thank you. lawrence >> thank you. and joining our discussion he
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is executive editor of the recap where he hosts the hell and high-water podcast. and mrs. maxwell who hosts the program -- zerlina, i've got a scorecard here and we have a bipartisan agreement in the senate. one piece of this infrastructure bill. we have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders have managed to accomplish on the budget committee on the 3.5 trillion dollar democrats only package. you've heard from john tester, senator warner is on that budget committee. he basically represents the mentions side of the democratic party. it really looks like all of the boxes have been checked on both of these bills at this point. >> the attacks of the entire thing. the framework for these bills,
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and i think what people are willing to agree upon before going forward with the procedural votes, is a boon for this administration. i mean, president biden is right, people wrote off his ability to be able to get this across the finish line. and again, it's not there yet. but i think it goes to show that there is something to those phone calls that he's doing in private, lawrence. that he's -- the conversations he's been having continuously. they were not happening in the open. he is not negotiating out in the open. and i think if he is able to get this across the finishing line, and provide these aspects of the care economy, childcare, paid leave, care for our aging parents, are needs that have come forward, i think president biden's experience with so many years in the congress is coming forward and you are seeing that with the success at this point. >> and john, president says he
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is confident, it's hard to be confident with legislative vehicles that are this complex. but we can be set is, this is working as smoothly and as well as it possibly could at the beginning stages of this budget resolution and the bipartisan agreement. >> yes, i think that's right lawrence. and -- look, i take chuck schumer at his word. he keeps telling people, there is going to be a long road. it's going to be a long road, it's gonna be a bumpy road. don't let anybody get out of their skis and start thinking it's going to be easy. we have a 50/50 senate. we have a very narrow margin in the house. this is an extraordinarily complicated vehicle. you and i have been talking about this for a few months. we've been looking at this in awe and wonder and it's like watching somebody on a tight rope, like the guy who used to do that top tightrope walk on the world trade center, it's a
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really tricky thing to do. but you've got to get across the tightrope one step at a time. and right now, the thing is and balance. and that is all you could hope for. understanding it's a long walk. and the reality of having no democrat in the senate side, no one has issued a red line, no one has said that they have a problem, you can't go over this, you can go over that. schumer has set this thing up as well. he it's as well as you could expected. i think biden's confidence comes from one more thing, zerlina is right, the personal diplomacy that biden's exists exercising does matter. but you can't overstate how much chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and the biden white house are in sync on every level of strategy, of tactics, on how they're trying to take this on. they know it's gonna be tricky, they know it's gonna take a long time. but the unity among those three main actors is something like i've never seen anything quite
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like it in the years i've been watching this. and that's the only way it's going to happen if the hold that together just like that. >> and, zerlina, it's watching this combination of experience, the experience of bernie sanders, all of his time in the senate putting this deal together, joe biden's experience, absolutely unparalleled in the presidency in terms of legislative experience and expertise. nancy pelosi, it does feel like they have their hands on these controls in a very steady way at this point. we are going to hear people say, i'm not voting for it yet. we will be some of those things. but it looks like chuck schumer, which he has a schedule in mind, and nothing with -- >> it looks to me like experience matters in governing. and that's what's becoming very clear. especially after four years of donald trump. and essentially, any deal that was struck in the oval office or elsewhere was blown up by a
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tweet. so we're not in that world anymore, we have competent leaders in place. and whether or not you agree with them on partisan lines, they're putting forward ideas to help the american people which is their job. and i'm hopeful that republicans, at this point seem to be negotiating in good faith, at least some of them, like report men and others. so i'm hopeful that that is going forward and they are getting the procedural necessary to make this happen in the first instance. and we're all sort of holding our breath to see if they're successful in this endeavor. >> i'm just -- i'm glad you made that point about what it means for the american people because this has been a process discussion we've been having. but chuck schumer said that this is roosevelt in, he's trying to find ways to explain how big and important this is to the american people. but this is a reality that we will get to in the on --
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another night. zerlina maxwell and john heilemann thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thanks lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up. life change today. changed in a big way for a 16 million pea million children. those -- their parents received the first monthly installment, monthly payment of $300 in the tax credit. president biden called it historic. we will be joined by a mother who received her first child tax payment today and the congresswoman who has been working for decades to make this happen. that's next. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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historic day. a historic day in the sense that we continue to build an economy that respects and recognizes the dignity of working class families and middle class families.
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it's historic and it's our effort to make another giant step toward ending child poverty in america. i think this will be one of the things that vice president and i will be most proud of when our terms are up. >> president biden was speaking about the 300 dollar per month child tax credit that began arriving in direct deposit today covering about 16 million children. >> it gave me the sense of how transformative this is. this would be the largest ever, one year decrease in child poverty in the history of the united states of america. i want to particularly think those have been fighting for this for years. congresswoman from connecticut she has been a champion. but nessa pierre received her first text by direct deposit.
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after the speech vanessa pierre was and her children had the chance to speak to president biden. joining us now is congresswoman rosa delauro she's the chair of the -- she has been an advocate for the child's were child credit since -- and vanessa pierre she was at the white house for president biden's announcement today about the child tax credit. thank you both for joining us. vanessa pierre let me begin with you and, first of all, what was it like to be at the white house today with the president and the vice president on this important day? >> it was absolutely amazing. i wanted to be excited for myself but i was so excited for my boys. it's not all the time you get out of your neighborhood and it's so expanded their horizons
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and got them asking questions that they weren't asking before. so it was a fantastic experience. >> what your child tax credits arrived by direct deposit today. what does that mean to you in practical terms? >> in practical terms, well that's my grocery budget for the month. so that means that's something i don't have to worry about. that means we can start to make plans unlike the stimulus, which was wonderful, this is going to come every month. wow it's we -- get to think about long term, how this is going to change things for us. also, it's just peace of mind and you can't really put a price on that. that kind of exhale we didn't even know we needed. >> congresswoman will rosa delauro, you have been working on this for many, many years.
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this is the day where it's finally happened. what does it mean to you to finally see this in operation today? >> this is beyond words. and to listen to vanessa, my gosh, i wish i could wrap my arms around you. vanessa you told the story that we have been trying to tell for so many years. how transformative a child tax credit could be in the lives of families today. it makes my heart sing. my feeling is it's not about me, it's about the millions, that you've mentioned lawrence, the millions of families are out there that are really going to be able to have more financial security that they have had in the past. and it is a lifeline to the middle class, and it is going to lift 55% of our kids out of poverty. and when vanessa talks about the grocery bill, it's like when people talk about security,
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it's hunger. but to be able to pay for that, to pay for food, maybe for another extra pair of sneakers for your kids. you know? to do the kinds of things that make a family feel economically secure for the future. and one thing vanessa said, this is peace of mind. peace of mind. every single month. and that is what's the benefit is one -- 90% of children will get the same monthly benefit. the president talked about it, it's historic. i'm humbled by the shout out from the president of the united states. i'm humbled to be with vanessa and see a picture of her and her boys, and that smile on her face. and when she talks about what
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it means to her family and it expanded the horizons. and this kind of help will expand horizons and be able to address aspirations and dreams that parents like vanessa have for their children. >> let's see with the vice president had to say today. >> what this tax cut will be issued in monthly payments. this is never happened before. and america, yes it is a big deal. i have been fighting for months and for quite some time in the senate for monthly payments. because i know, it's a struggle to make ends meet as monthly, the solution has to be monthly as well. wowwo
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-- you can start to make plans on i said that before but let me expand on it. now, instead of just a onetime payment that you usually stay about your biggest expensive, when you get your tax return you buy big purchases you put a little bit away for savings and you have in the past have passed do bills and you are waiting to pay those offs. it means no late fees a lot of things. it means now we can put a little bit aside for us, me and my kids. it means that we can keep our head above water on a month to month basis and start to save for a home. start to actually sit down and added to our budget, and look towards the future instead of just one time a year and it
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being done before reaches your bank account. >> what was your favor moment for your sons today at the white house? what are your sons names, and what was their favorite moments? >> their names are and true and bryce, and if i could pick their favorite moment it would probably be -- well each one had a different moment. two highlights. one was meeting the vice president, they are huge fans of hers, my daughter olivia wasn't able to make it but we were able to take a photo with her, and we've already faced timed and she is in love. and having that conversation one-on-one being able to speak with the vice president, that was for sure a special moment. second, when the president asked if they had any questions, my son was the first to raise
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his hand up in the air and ask him is it hard being president? and that kind of change things for me because such a simple question by a child, but he took the time to sit and talk through everything with him and that meant the world to him. he left the white house saying, i think i could be president. >> that is what white house visits are for. >> vanessa pierre, and rosa delauro, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> and coming up. what's the texas democrats said about their meeting with joe manchin today. that is next. that is next or is that the damp weight of self-awareness you now hold in your hand? yeah-h-h. (laugh) keep your downstairs dry
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celia israel delayed her wedding shoes she could be in washington this week trying to convince members of congress to pass voting rights legislation. erin zwiener brought her three year old daughter with her to washington, some of the texas democrats met with senator joe manchin today. manc >> did you press them on the idea that you guys are trying to make a carve out on the filibuster to try to pass this. >> we didn't discuss the filibuster. >> not at all? >> no. >> a lot of people have discussed the filibuster with senator manchin, he knows everything better than we will ever know, will leave the tactics up to him. >> are you convinced that what he is trying to do will protect which are trying to do? >> yes. he believes in the same voting rights then we do. >> joining our discussion now
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texas taped representatives, celia israel and erin zwiener. representative israel, were you surprised that your colleagues did not ask joe manchin about the senate filibuster rule? >> hi lawrence, no i'm not, it's really just a time to test senator manchin, not on where his heart is but where our heart is, and that's why we're here. tell our texas story about how horrible the bill is that were attempting to kill and how we need him to do everything possible to do something. it may not be the whole combo plate, as i say, but just give us something to move forward with to show that their heart is in the right place. i trust my colleagues in that respect. >> representative zwiener, i know that viewers out there are wondering how could they
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possibly not challenge joe manchin on the so-called filibuster rule, in my experience, and i'm sure yours, this is the way professional legislatures talk to each other. they don't make demands, they make their case and as the representative who spoke on camera there said, everyone in the room knows completely that that rule is in the way of getting this done. >> we have two jobs here, one is to tell our story of how limited voting access are and is in texas -- that is my toddler. >> she can come on camera to. let's see what she has to say. what is her name? >> this is lark. let mama talk. we have two jobs, one is to tell our story, tell how limiting voting access already
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is in texas and to tell how much worse the bill is going to make it. the real harm it is going to do. the second job is to share our courage with the u.s. senate, with the u.s. house of representatives and inspire them to move forward on legislation that will protect the freedom to vote, not only for texans but for every single americans. >> let's listen to what your lieutenant government had to say today. >> they can't hold out forever, they are families back home, they have jobs back home. pretty soon there wives or husbands will start to say hey, it's time to get back, back home. when they get home, before the special session, they will be arrested and brought to the capitol and we will pass these bills. >> representative israel, what is your reaction to that? >> somewhere along the line these guys lost side of the constitution, for not beholden
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to them, we're not beholden to the dps. we are beholden to the people who elected us to do the best. i believe that a lot of my colleagues that we are doing the jobs that we were elected to do and that is killed bad legislation and take this fight to washington d.c.. this is our job right now. >> representative zwiener, what do you think are the most important points that need to be made in these meetings with senators and members of the house, and what seems to be landing with them. ? what's seems to be clarifying to them about your situation? >> one of the most important things is to demonstrate how restrictive are voting access already is in texas. if you're gonna vote by mail in texas you have to submit a new application, every calendar year. which can be a difficult barrier for elderly texans who don't have a printer in their home. we don't have online voter registrations, something that my colleague, representative israel has championed, which
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means that there is a major barrier to younger people registering to vote. you have to register 30 days before the election, because -- and that makes it harder for people who are lower income, and they are trying to make the process more cumbersome. on the gamble that even though they will hurt all texans, they will hurt more people who vote blue then vote red, and it is all about avoiding accountability, and that is what i want senators and representatives to know. we have elected officials who are trying to avoid the power of the people and avoid accountability, we need their help to defend democracy. >> if we could possibly get lark back into the shot to say goodnight, i would love to do that. texas state representatives celia israel, thank you for joining us tonight. representative erin zwiener, and lark is right there outside the frame and i think she's gonna jump in just in time.
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goodnight, lark. >> good night, lawrence. thank you. >> there we are, thank you all, thank all three of you. the chairman of the congressional black caucus joyce beatty got into, as she put it, good trouble today when she was arrested in the heart senate office building because she sang a song. turns out you get arrested very fast in those buildings if you're not there to attack democracy for donald trump, congresswoman joyce beatty joins us next. ins us next. was another around the corner? or could i have a different game plan? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot. almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another. and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial
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get arrested when you're attacking the capitol for donald trump, most people who invaded the capitol still haven't been arrested, and it has taken months to arrest some of them, but you get arrested much faster if you're actually a member of congress who works there. and using a protest songs in the vast lobby, not of the capital itself, but of one of
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the office buildings. that is what happened to the chair of the congressional black caucus today, congresswoman joyce beatty, she entered the hard center building, at approximately 3:30 pm with a small group that started chanting and the filibuster, and let the people vote. they paused in the buildings gigantic atrium where they were bothering absolutely no one. they gathered peacefully and continued to sing, they were given a warning by capitol police exactly four minutes after the entered the building. they warned that they were demonstrating in an on authorized area and would be subject to arrest if they did not stop. exactly three minutes after that warning, congresswoman joyce beatty was placed under a west and handcuffed as she continued to chant fight for justice. the precious few minutes she had before she was arrested, congresswoman beatty said this. >> today we're sending a strong
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message. we have black leaders from across the country, black leaders who marched with john lewis, this is not about one generation, it is about all generations. >> yes. >> and today we are representing all generations. and that is why today is important. look at where we stand. we stand in the united states senate, places where we couldn't work, we couldn't even clean at one time. but today, black women said we are not waiting. black women said that we are demanding our right to vote, and it starts today. >> thanks for that video, courting to police nine people including congresswoman beatty were rested and joining us now is democratic congresswoman joyce beatty of ohio, she is the chair of the congressional black caucus. representative beatty, how do you explain to people what they
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saw on january six, and what they're seeing tonight, you being arrested within minutes of entering that fast lobby, where you were harming no one? >> thank you, lawrence, for having me on. i think it is quite simple. what we see is the disparity of treatment. we see the disparities when it comes to black americans, and as you said, we were there protesting, but the rules of engagement changed, or the responses are different. we were warned that there was a warning and after three warnings we would be subject to being arrested. as you saw, we were in our movement, in our moment, we felt like john lewis and martin luther king, who organized and protested, it made a difference. that's why we were there. we saw in witness, i was there
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on january the 6th, and we know what happened and what didn't happen. another reason we need to pass the john lewis voting rights act. that's the only reason we can make a change, when we get more people to register to vote without voter suppression, that is why we have the john lewis voting rights act. >> he was a member of the house have floor privileges in the united states senate, you're one of the few people who is allowed to walk on to the senate floor, you have the privilege to move anywhere you want in those buildings, but apparently they don't want to hear your voice. they don't want to hear you raise your voice in any way, no matter how pleasant that music actually sounded in the heart building today. >> thank you. you're absolutely right. this is why we will continue. it is our voices that will make a difference, and we know that. it has been tried and proven and tested throughout history, we have the august 6th 1965
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legislation passed because the president then, president johnson, then met with marginally picking and we receive the voting rights act. so when you think about what happened with rosa parks, to montgomery, montgomery let us to the civil rights act of 1964. then to the 1965 rooting rights act, look how many times vote they talked about crossing the bridge before they did it. we will keep coming back. we will have an open dialogue with the congressional black caucus, with civil rights leaders and we will invite the media in. here is what i know, lawrence, when we use our voices and we speak up, and especially black women, we have become powerhouses, we deliver presidents of the united states. we have a strong voting base. we have a strong working base,
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and this is our time to make sure that we passed the voting rights act. >> what is the next step for you? >> the next step is, next wednesday, the entire congressional black caucus on wednesday will have a meeting. we are planning and education, an awareness session, you saw powerful women standing with me, melanie campbell, huge in the labor movement, lots of women. you had tomika mallory standing there, all generations of women coming together because here is what we know. it is going to take all of us, and we were very reflective of america. >> congresswoman joyce beatty, thank you very much for joining us tonight, always an honor. >> thank you. >> we will be right back with tonight's last word. tonight's last word.
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years ago today, premiering at 9 am eastern time after the great timorous are delivered the big news and msnbc presidential campaign poll showing bill clinton at 54 and bob doyle at 30, 35 minutes into msnbc's first day i spoke my very first words on msnbc. >> well it is surprising to see dole losing republican support, there is no reason for that. but his earlier point about this is very important, let's remember where the current president was at this time four years ago, he was running third during and after ross perot and george bush, this is a different dynamic and the gap between clinton and doyle is really stunning at this point. but, moving from 30 to 50 is
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possible. >> bob doyle actually finished nine points behind bill clinton in the most spends free election i have ever seen. and a programming announcement monday night at this hour. jonathan kaye part will be live with all of the texas democrats in washington d.c., all the texas democrats in one room for an msnbc special presentation, battleground democracy, the texas democrats, that is monday at 10 pm eastern, right here on msnbc. that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. good evening, i'm stephanie role in for brian williams who has the night off. it is day 177 in the biden administration and tonight, they are brand new explosive revelations about the last race
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of the trump presidency and the chaos of january 6th. they're from the new book, i alone can fix said, by pulitzer prize-winning and washington post reporters they write that after seeing the riot unfold, trump's white house counsel, trump could be brought up on charges. the afternoon of january six, it started dawning on the white house counsel and his deputies that trump could conceivably be charged with a crime for setting off the deadly riot. there were a lot of ifs about whether that was likely. but one thing that was absolutely guaranteed, sprawling investigations. any good prosecutor could closely examined with the president, donald trump jr., rudy giuliani, and others had said at that rally. they could be accused of sedition, a charge not leveled at a president in a century. also tonight, covid cases are climbing around the country. some of the officials are now bringing back mask mandates. nbc news correspondent migu

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