tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC July 15, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PDT
we're in washington, president biden will be talking about the new child tax credit going into effect today. depositing billions of dollars of relief in the bank accounts of 39 million families with eligible children. today the president meeting with a key ally long time german chancellor angela merkel. the last visit to the u.s. before she leaves office. this has millions of unvaccinated americans are in danger from covid-19. the delta variant causing major spikes of the coronavirus nationwide. 40 states are seeing an increase in cases. tennessee alone seeing 344% spike in cases over two week period. i'll be speaking to a doctor about the difficult road ahead. and joint chiefs of staff speaking at a national headquarters in virginia this morning. two new bombshell books detail his pushback against donald trump in the final months of his presidency. this hour i'm joined by "the
wall street journal's" michael bender to discuss former president and much more from his explosive new book, "frankly we did win the election" is the title. let's begin in washington with kelly o'donnell and founder of girls who code and marshal plans for moms and jason fuhrman. a big day at the white house. this white house trying to continue to remind voters that the massive covid-19 relief package that previous package that democrats passed earlier this year is benefiting them and family members as the economy continues to recover with a kuk in today of the child tax credit. tell us about the vent coming up. >> as some elements of the current biden agenda stalled on capitol hill, they're reaching back to the success in the administration and the covid-19 relief package. something they believe can be a legacy item for the biden era.
and that is trying to lift children out of poverty in the country by using this law to give to families based on income thresholds their tax credit for -- that they would normally be able to get back in the taxes as a monthly payment so that can provide more basic needs for families month by month with more certainty. that could be a life changing standard of living changing experience for as many as 60 million children and their families in the country. democratic priorities include trying to somehow make this permanent and at this time they really believe this is a chance to argue for what they've already accomplished. also to inform people so if they see through their direct deposit an increase in the family checking account or savings account wherever they would receive their tax return money, to explain what is this and how should they use it? so consider it in some ways
constituent education as well as trying to put pressure on the public to recognize benefits of what government has done and then perhaps not looking so much at the things that are not working as well just yet in terms of advancing other parts of the biden agenda. so this is a chance to speak directly to american families, to say they have delivered on a promise and to speak to the benefit they see more broadly of the human economy by emphasizing how this can help children and their parents with very basic needs. andrea? >> and let's talk about what more you think needs to be done. you put out a letter today saying this is a start but not enough. >> yeah. i mean, the child tax credit is not just about reducing child poverty. but it's about providing critical relief to mothers who we know are not going back to work. i mean every mom i know desperately needs help. this is going to provide some
amount of relief. it is a down payment. because with very to recognize that mothers are bearing the burden of household labor and of childcare and that is keeping them out of the workforce. and so today we released a letter to the white house from 50 moms. a mom said what this tax credit means to her. i need this money to pay for shoes. you know, sasha from arizona said i lost my job. this is going to help me get a new skill set. so moms are suffering right now. i'm telling you this right now. whether it's moderate democrats or republicans who don't support the child tax credit, moms are going to vote with their feet. they're going to pay a critical price at the polls if they don't start supporting moms. >> the fed chair jay powell testifying in the second day of the testimony on the sna the side i believe. he is saying that inflation has
been higher than they expected. and a little more persistent. first of all, how much are your concerns about inflation and do you that i they may be already too late? >> tax credits are important and exciting and probably more important than anything related to inflation. there are much more inflation than anyone expected this year. a lot of it is transitory. it's going to continue on for a number of years. the fed to date has underestimated inflation quite a lot. i'm not that worried. i think they're going to ultimately, you know, do what they need to to keep it under control. they'll just get to that point sooner than they think they're going to get to that point.
>> just another follow up question. you have weekly job claims at a low. >> the economy, things are coming back together. consumption is almost back to where it was prior to the pandemic. the last jobs number, 850,000 jobs was terrific. i think we can maintain that pace for a number of months. i think we'll have some months that are even better than that. there are funky things with hiring other places. i think the big picture is we're mending much faster than any of would you say have thought a year ago when we were staring at a 15% unemployment rate. >> and i guess finally to you,
jason, you are concerned about the $3.5 trillion? in the second big infrastructure package that is approved by the budget committee? are we getting to the point where we're spending too much? what do you expect from the pay fors. we haven't seen them yet. we'll wait for the cbo to decide how thaur going to score them. they're likely to include a little bit of fudgy thinking. >> frankly, i don't mind that. we have a lot of needs in in country. preschool is in the legislation. childcare is in the legislation. care giving, a lot of issues related to children that we just talked about. i think those are incredibly important. that is almost never true in the united states. we have a lot of room to borrow as long as you're using the money well. so that's what i'm looking at. not how much money is it used well? and by and large, the things
that it's being use ford, if children is a big one, i think are quite well and quite important and worth the money. >> we hope so. really, you love to see you smiling, jason. it's a good day around here. kelly, let's quickly look ahead to the president's meeting with angela merkel. covid-19, russia, the global economy, a lot of critical topics although germany is really happy that when the president says america is back it means america is back and not criticizing nato and not turning his back -- joe biden not turning his back on the alliance where he's been a star player at the munich security firm for decades. he believes in the atlantic alliance. >> it brings to sort of our domestic threat the overseas trip and the reacknowledgement of the traditional partnerships, what they mean, why they're important. and here you have in chance
color merkel and the president, two people that have been on the world stage for a very long time. what is interesting is also looking at how germany is positioned with its relationships with russia at a time when president biden has challenging relationships with putin. wanting to reset the relationship, wanting to set new terms especially in areas like cyber hacking and ransomware where the president put russia on notice. some tension there to be sure. certainly the german relationship is different. a lot of collective experience here with what to do with covid-19 as the world wants to reopen with travel concerns and international commerce. trying to right itself again. all that playing out. and in some ways this is a last chance to see one of the most prominent figures in our modern politics for the last time here at the white house after a long tenure. four president that's she has
served alongside and interacted with. it's really a notable occasion for the white house to host merkel and a lot of critical issues, everything from iran to covid-19 to the russia-u.s. relationship and global partnership there. a lot on the plate. we'll see that on display today. >> kelly, thank you. nice to you have all as well. and president biden revving up the caucus as he did yesterday at that unusual trip to the old home base on capitol hill to rally support for the $3.5 trillion massive spending plan for childcare, climate change and additional medicare benefits. budget chairman bernie sanders was crucial in bringing together all the factions of the democratic caucus. we caught up with sanders yesterday. >> are you surprised that this president is going to go this
far? >> if you don't tell anybody? >> yeah, i am. i'm very proud he is prepared to understand that in terms of the needs of working families and in terms of the climate crisis you have to go big. the most kons fennel piece of legislation being proposed since the great depression and fdr. >> joining me now is senator coons and in the room as well for the caucus meeting yesterday. take us unside that room. you have joe biden returning to the hill among friends but different factions in the caucus. but from all reports, they were really well united as he went around the room. >> president biden got several standing ovations from the democratic caucus. and what was encouraging is to hear several of the senators that ran against him for president like budget committee chairman bernie sanders say very
positive, very supportive things. president biden is pulling us together as a caucus and we accomplish two goals at the same time. one is to finalize the details bipartisan infrastructure package. i'm working hard with senators from ohio and of arizona to pull together the last details and to get to a text this weekend. and the bold, big proposal that is coming out of the budget committee supported by all the democrats on that committee that would move forward $3.5 trillion proposal to invest in things that will actually make a real difference in people's lives. making community college free, supporting individuals and families and financial needs through something like the chuld tax credit which is hitting mailboxes and in boxes to day all over the country, providing $300 per child for tens of millions of families.
that is the bold vision that chairman sanders is putting forward. and folks like senator manchin are working with me and many others on the bipartisan infrastructure package. president biden did a great job of engaging our caucus and keeping all of us growing in the same direction. >> do you risk losing any members of that republican coalition because of this big package that has virtually no republican support? you know, this two track parallel act that you're performing has never been done before. >> so, andrea, this bipartisan infrastructure package will be the single greatest investment in infrastructure in the history of our country. we haven't kept up to speed. the we haven't been competitive with other countries around the
world in infrastructure. as well as 21st century infrastructure like broadband. it is something that all of cuss come together around and because of the jobs that will be created, the way it will help us compete with china and other countries around the world, it's going to enjoy strong bipartisan support. that is different from the broader and bolder $3.5 trillion plan. thach is a plan where democrats will support it and republicans will oppose it. increasing taxes on the very wealthiest americans and the most profitable corporations that pay no taxes and using those additional resources to strengthen the social infrastructure of our country to invest in things like childcare and daycare, quality education, access to opportunity. and that's place where we're going to fight it out in the
fall. i think we can pursue both of these. infrastructure is an area that we've all agreed on for the entire decade that i've been here in the senate. we haven't gotten it done. >> and let me button this down by saying on the $3.5 trillion package, i know that the budget chairman wouldn't have produced it unless everybody was signed on. but are you sure you've got manchin and cinema on that number? >> look, senator mark warner of virginia very successful in business. one of our more moderate members is on the budgets committee. he was part of the effort to pull that together to get it out of committee. i'm optimistic that broad package will enjoy support from every member of our caucus. but obviously maybe not obviously -- it is worth
repeating that what comes out of the budget committee is a broad framework. then the details have to be worked out over the next couple of weeks even months. by the different committees and jurisdiction. the we are much closer to final text to a infrastructure proposal from the bipartisan group than we are on the other much bigger proposal. that's going to take weeks to work out the specifics. one of the pieces of the big proposal this i'm excited about is the climate conservation course. something that will put tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of younger americans to work around our country. investing in resiliency in a way that confronts climate and puts younger americans to work and gives them an opportunity to serve. i literally just spoke to
senator sanders about this. i'm optimistic. >> and changing gears for a moment. "the washington post" revealing today that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was worried about what president trump may do to maintain power faen a coup was forthcoming. this according to a new book. saying, "this is a rush tag moment," the gospel of the furor. what is your reaction to that? >> that's a really striking excerpt from that book. i hope all of your watchers take a moment to focus on this. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a career army leader, someone who is at the highest levels of our military, according to that book, took seriously the idea that president trum whop try to overthrow the government and to exercise authoritarian leadership of our country. that is a chilling allegation.
and something that i think all of us ought to take a moment and look hard at. frankly, that president trump has never accepted the election of president biden, that president trump just this past week, former president trump this last week suggested that those violent rioters who assaulted our capitol were good people should concern all of us. we have a basic division here. in terms of our view of the constitution and the constitutional role of the president and that excerpt from this latest book that suggests that the chairman of the joint chiefs and the other service chiefs were genuinely concerned given his actions and statements that former president trump might try to go outside the boundaries of our constitution should concern all of us. >> finally, i want to ask you about cube yachlt i know all the reasons for, you know, criticizing let jeem right now, the president, the secretary of state, senator menendez, very strongly when i interviewed him the other day.
but covid-19 cratered the economy. should we find because to do more for the cuban people and relaxing the wire transfers? that go to families back home? >> andrea, earlier today i met with governor david beasley who runs the world food program. he won the nobel peace price, the organization did under his leadership. and one of the enduring questions facing something like the world food program is should we be providing food relief to governments in countries like ethiopia and north korea, venezuela, syria, elsewhere? government action is oppressing their people and causing famine. so too is the case on cuba. a country where long standing communist authoritarian regime repression of the people created the conditions in combination with our sanctions and with covid-19 for a popular uprising. my hope is that the cuban people
will be successful in changing the government in cuba. but the reality is we also can't turn a blind eye to human suffering around the world no matter where it occurs. so my hope is that we will, as a country speak out against the repression of the regime in cuba while at the same time expressing our solidarity with the cuban people and their aspirations for better lives. >> will you tell that to your friend the president? >> when i have a chance to talk with him, which i suspect may be today or tomorrow, i will. >> senator, thank you. coming up, guard duty. another scathing new book inside trump's final months. another new book. this one michael bender saying how brass intervened whether he wants to use the military and live ammo against peaceful protesters in washington over a year ago. michael bender joining us next. we'll squeeze in a quick break. we'll break out of that and come to you the minute the president
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income. every month american families need to buy groceries and gas to pay for rent or homeowners insurance utilities and car loans and even if they have enough to make ends meet, it is often just barely enough. unexpected expense can mean the difference between taking on more debt or losing it all. in the wealthiest nation in the world, it should not be this way. the president and i, we both believe that. so when we took office we set out to provide american families with some relief. that's what we're doing. want to thank those members of congress who led and voted to expand the child tax credit. the president will detail the expansion but let me underscore one important piece. this tax cut will be issued in
monthly payments. the this has never happened before. and america -- yes, it is a big deal. i have been fighting for months and for quite some time even when i was in the senate for monthly payments because i know it's the struggle to make ends meet is monthly, the solution has to be also. the payments may be monthly. but the impact of this child tax credit will will undoubtedly be generational. undeed, it is the largest middle class tax cut in generations and will lift up half of our nation's children who are living in poverty. in lifting up the children and american family, it will lift up our entire nation. today is a good day, america.
it is a historic day. and we are here today because of the vision and the leadership of a fellow parent of a president that believes with all his heart that strength of our nation should be measured by the strength of our families and our children. it is my great honor to introduce prison joe biden. >> thank you. for anybody under the age of 13, this has got to be boring, boring, boring for you. right? i'll tell you what, we ought to work something out here. when is over, your parents uncles, aunts, they owe you ice cream or something for this. folks, it's a pleasure to be
here. and this -- i believe this is a historic day. historic day in a sense that we continue to build an economy that respects and recognizes the dignity of working class families and middle class families. it's historic and it's our effort to make another giant step toward ending child poverty in america. this is one of the things the vice president and i will be most proud of when our terms are up. beginning this morning, nearly all working families as people making under $150,000 families or an individual making under $125,000 who have children or raising children in america, they're going to receive the first monthly -- first monthly tax cut payment. that payment, that payment from the expanded child tax credit is
to be signed into law as part of my -- our american rescue plan. it's one of the largest ever single tax cuts for families with children. and it's reflection of our belief that the people of this country who need tax cut are not the folks with the time, they got plenty of tax cuts. they're doing just fine. but it's the people in the middle, folks that are struggling or just looking for a little bit of breathing room. a little bit of breathing room. this has the potential to reduce child poverty in the same way that the social security reduced poverty for the elderly. and by the way, think of monthly payments. you get a social security check, those who you know get social security, they get it monthly. well this will be, unless you want one lump sum, this is a monthly payment for childcare. for -- excuse me, for your children, a tax cut. here is how the tax credit works.
the for every child under the age of 6, parent will get $3,600 a year. for every child 6 to 17, they'll get $3,000 per year. for example, middle class family with two young children who are expect to receive $7,200 a year to help raise their children. this will be the -- they'll get the first half of this $3,600 starting today. today. today. and it will be paid out at $600 a month between, july, and december. then they get the rest of the payment next spring around tax day. now if you file taxes electronically, you can go to your bank account today -- today and you'll see a payment that says child ctc. let me say that again. payments of $300 for each child
under the age of 6, $250 for each child between the ages of 6 and 17 on a monthly basis between now and -- between now, july, and december. if you don't file electronically as you did last year, you can expect to receive a check in the mail beginning today or a few days from now. you'll get this payment on the 15th of every month for the rest of this year. if you're not required to file taxes at all in the past, you haven't filed because you didn't owe any taxes, then you can go to childtaxcredit.gov. let me say it again. childtaxcredit.gov and you will give -- they'll give you clear information and a link to help you sign up for the first time. this can be life changing for so many families. because of the way the tax credit was structured, before the american rescue plan, more
than 26 million children from the hardest press working families didn't get any full payment for a child credit -- for childcare, for child tax credit. half of all black and children didn't get the tax credit. we made this tax cut fully refundable. in plain english, instead of families that need help the most getting the least, the hard-working families, hard-working families will get this on a monthly basis. 97% of the children receiving this credit come from working families. and the other 3% include kids being raised by retired grandparents or by someone with a serious disability. this credit doesn't start to phase out until a couple is making $150,000 or single parent
that is making $112,000. it begins to phase out then. this is a middle class tax cut. when i came up -- when i decided i wanted this in the legislation, i referred to it in the way that it really s it's a middle class tax cut. it's just like the wealthy get tax cuts for a lot of things. it's a tax cut for your children -- having children. and this can make it possible for hard-working parents to say to his or her child, honey, we get -- you can get new braces now. we can get you tutor to help new that math class you are having trouble with. we can get you the sports gear you need to sign up for the first team you're going to play on. people have written to me to tell me they use the many ton buy their kids new shoes, to send them to summer camp, to cover after school care. to give you awe sense of how
transformtive this is, this will be the largest ever one year decrease in child poverty in the history of the united states of america. as we begin now. historic reductions in child poverty among white, black, and latinos and aapi communities, it's not even close. the benefits will be felt for years. studies have shown that tax relief that helps -- >> that's okay. don't worry about it. it's okay to let him or her cry. that helps children and can lead to better health, better school performance and better future earnings. in fact, research from colombia university in new york found that for each dollar this tax cut costs, it returns $8 in benefits down the line. $8 will have to be spent other because. it's a gigantic help. it's an 8-1 return.
your head, heart, and your budgets all lead to the same place. this is the right thing to do. and it's a smart thing to do. today these tax cut payments are arriving automatically. but it didn't happen automatically. the result of the work of people that did this advocated for this for a long, long time. and we finally got it past the american rescue plan. i want to particularly thanks those who have been fighting for this for years. congresswoman from connecticut, she has been a champion in this issue. congressman richy neil and torres, senators bennett, brown, booker, ron white, probably hear from our republican friends all who voted against this. but they'll tout the success as it helps working families and their states and their districts. but in the coming days, we're also going to hear from them
saying i want to now extent this tax -- it's only for one year now. that's all i can get it for for the first time. and so i want to extend it into the future now. another piece of legislation that we voted on. so we're going to continue this. so the people who say we can't afford to give the middle class a break, i say we can afford it by making people at the top and big corporations, 50 of which didn't pay taxes last year at all, start paying their fair share. i'm not going to gouge them. just pay your fair share. because people who are working hard and paying taxes deserve a break. that's why -- excuse me for all the terms i'm using, but by build back better agenda which still needs to be voted on in the congress keeps this tax cut for working families in place for years to come. we shouldn't let tax goes up on working families. we shouldn't let child poverty continue to stain the conscience
or drag down our economy. and so i say to my colleagues in congress, this tax cut for working families is something we should extend, not end next year. make sure your families know about the tax cut. learn more about the differences that it's going to make in their lives. let me close with this. i signed the american rescue plan less than two months after taking office in january 20th. four months later, we implemented the automatic monthly payment for any major tax credit ever as the vice president is talking about. the and on social security, a long time ago. this ground breaking effort is similar to what we did and our -- i call our wartime effort to vaccinate americans against covid-19 to mobilize the whole
country. we're proving -- we're proving that democracy can deliver for people and deliver in a timely way. saving lives, improving lives, helping fuel record setting recovery, giving working families a fighting chance again. i received an e-mail today from a mother in washington state. she is a young teacher. she just received her payment. she wrote, my family has been living hand to mouth and put me through school so i can follow my passion of mold young minds. this first ctc payment has come at the exact moment when we need it most. these payments may seem small to some. but they're life changing for my family, for us. millions of children and families and starting today, they're lives are about to change for the better. and our country will be better off for it as well. this is a really good day.
and parents, you can tell your kids when they're 25 years old and you were there the day this happened. we talked about it. we're showing once again that there is nothing beyond the capacity, our capacity as americans to get done what we do together. so i want to thank you. god bless you all and may god protect your troops and kids. thank you for being so polite while i was speaking. you were very, very nice. thank you, thank you, thank you. president biden and vice president harris announcing the implementation today of of that new child tax credit. we talked about it. we're talking about 39 million families to reduce child pafrt poverty in this country by 50%. and moving on to new and alarming revelations about the final months of the trump
presidency and how the chairman of the joint chiefs stood up to the commander in chief. according to the new book the former president suggested this that crack the skulls of the black lives matter protesters in washington just over a year ago and shoot them. as the general pushed back in the overal office that day, pointing to what a portrait of what lincoln said and that guy had an insurrection. what we have, mr. president, is a protest. joining me now, "wall street journal" reporter michael bender is riveting new book is titled frankly we did win this election. the unside story of how trump lost. michael, congratulations. this book is just spectacular. thank you for writing it. turning to the general, in the new book, he looks at the chaos inside the trump white house. general milly's push back against the former president's violent tendencies including telling stephen miller to shut up. tell us about that day. >> that's right. we're talking about early june. the news got out that trump had been in the bunker amid protests
outside the white house. and he was furious. he struggled to find a message to the protest and lashed out at the general and senior officials. and this is a really a through line from the book starting early in the year all the way through the end. start with the first impeachment and end with the second impeachment. what is striking is the people like general millie were clearly worried that trump had become dangerous. that he had become reckless and desperate pursuit to hold on to power. he wanted to shoot americans, andrea. s his own secretary of state by the end of the year was worried he would start a war. to remain president. >> and to that point, there was
actually an agreement among secretary pompeo and a couple of the other top officials, millie and others, to try to protect the national security from the president of the united states. >> in the shuffle of trump's administration, he asked if some of the new hires had connections to neonazis. mike pompeo was so concerned that he wanted a daily call to keep a check on temperatures and impulses in the last days. >> tell us about what happened
when trump went to john kelly his then chief of staff and praised adolph hitler saying he did good things too. >> yeah, this is a couple years ago. and it is just a shocking revelation here. >> to think that anyone would praise anything around hitler and people around trump was long concerned that he had given winks and nods to this extremist wing of the party who white supremacists and neonazis and unwillingness to tam thap down. that was a concern back in 2018. and all the way through, you know, into 2021 again milly's concern as well. and those two men had these kind of conversations. general milly knew what he was walking into. he was a scene in this book between the two men before milly accepted the nomination to become the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.
he asked john kelly what he thinks. the what he should do. kelly says, if i were you, i would get as far f'ing away from this place as i possibly can. the next day john kelly announced that he was leaving the administration. >> tell us about the fight between mike pence and former president trump. it was a year earlier when under direction from jared kushner and with the president's approval, he was pressured to hire the former fired aide and then gets into a fight with the president over it. >> yeah. this is important. there is a lot of questions about, again, what is happening behind the scenes in the runup to january 6th. and where trump's mind was and where his orders were and the people around him, how they were enabling, you know, the impulses. and people around pence wanted hum to be direct and concise
with the president that he did not have the authority to overturn the election on january 6th. but pence was not very practiced in confronting trump. the only instance i can find is in 2018 where he and trump argue over the hiring of corny lewandowski and pence says we discusseded this, get your facts straight. some people wanted him to have a get your facts straight before january 6th. >> indeed. the book is, of course, "frankly, we did win this election." there is the cover. congratulations, michael. >> thank you. >> it's a great job. today the surgeon general is warning that misinformation about covid-19 is an urgent threat facing the country. the first time that recognition that the administration sees this as major factor in the
alarming decline of people getting vaccinating even as the delta variant increases the risk for the unvaccinated. joining us now is director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. thank you, doctor, for being with us. i do welcome this announcement by the surgeon general. >> well, i think it's awe very krut call message to send right now. fwheer a very precarious team in this pandemic. globally and in the united states. we have seen major uptick, 111% increase in cases of covid-19 over the last two weeks. we have seen 22% increase in the hospitalizations. that is a lagging indicator that usually occurs later. and 5% increase in deaths. anyone who is watching the media knows what is happening in places like missouri and arkansas and seeing this happen around the country, we need to get people vaccinated as soon as
possible. >> one of the revelations is you have the chief of staff mark meadows at the end of the administration advising the president no the to wear a mask. >> yeah. the i mean at this point what we need is just straight talk. i do think this administration is giving that to us. they have done an amazing job. we have 100 million americans who are not yet vaccinated. and that group is serving as where we're going to see the big increase in cases. and lessons be learned from europe, england which has had one of the highest vaccination rates in the world yesterday posted 42,900 new cases. one of the highest dates since the big peak in it january. i'm afraid we'll see that here too. we have to get this message out. vaccination, vaccination,
vaccination. and if if you don't, the virus will eventually find you and that i think is when we're going to see people wishing they had been vaccinated. >> now as we have been pointing out, a lot of this misinformation has come from the previous white house and one of the things that is causing people to be reluckant to get vaccines. one of our colleagues and one of your colleagues tweeted should medical boards take action against doctors? in have been some in the white house and the platform, the former white house, i should say, who give mixed information to people. should their licenses be at stake? >> yeah. this is a confusing time. i think we have to acknowledge that. you know, we do have the fact that these vaccines are not formally lunsed. they're approved under emergency use thorpgs. we need to do a better job of
explaining how the vaccines are really public health miracles. they are very safe. they will be licensed eventually. we need to also make certain that we help people understand that this pandemic is not over. if you listen to much of the america, you you this this thing is done. and so one of the challenges is people say wait a minute, i thought this was over. and so we have to do a lot of additional critical messaging and i think again the surgeon general's emphasis today on misinformation is really important. having said that, i recognize there will be a group in this country with what i call vaccine hostile. they'll not get vaccinated at all. it's a situation where i -- what we can do is limit it. but for the vaccine hesitant, people that still have legitimate questions, pregnant women that want to be reassured this vaccine is safe for their unborn child, those are the vudz individuals we have to continue to reach out to or we'll see the major increase in the united states in the days ahead.
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met with the vice president, senate majority leader in the push for federal action on voting rights, but the most important meeting was this morning with senator joe manchin, whose support of the filibuster could spell doom for voting rights legislation if he doesn't support it, with republican support virtually nonexistent. joining me, capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, columnist kimberly atkins store and sam stein. garrett, they're pushing manchin to reconsider. what are you hearing out of today's meeting? >> reporter: sounds like that was not the focus of today's meeting. the texas democrats and senator manchin emerged singing from the same him nal saying they had a positive meeting, need to do something, emphasis something, to protect voting rights, probably needs to be narrower than the for the people act which recently failed in the senate with unified republican
opposition. i asked about the discussion around the filibuster, changes to it, i was surprised by what texas democrats told me. listen to this. >> did you press him on the idea that y'all were floating the other day trying to make a carve out in the filibuster to pass something like this with just democratic votes? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> i think enough people discussed the filibuster with senator manchin. it is an elephant in the room, everybody knows the deal. he knows senate maneuvers and mechanics, we'll leave the tactics up to him. >> andrea, i have been covering joe manchin a long time. i don't think anyone comes out of a meeting with him, regardless of his politics, he is a skilled politician. i don't think anybody comes out not feeling like they had a good meeting. i am not sure where this leaves texas democrats, an agreement on the need to pass something doesn't necessarily help them if tactically in terms of how to move something through congress they're in the same place they were when they got here.
>> i think they didn't want you to know and wanted to keep the conversation going, and that could be a tactic there, to not bring it up. kimberly, what comes next for them and for the voting rights issue? we all kind of knew the original voting rights bill was too big, too broad, wouldn't gain any support, it was a talking point more than legislation. i guess the next question is how are they going to narrow it to get down to what they're concerned about, nullification as well as access. >> right. what i am hearing is that they're moving carefully not only to ensure that it is a bill, that they come out with a bill that can get as much support as possible but also survive any potential challenges, if it is to pass. pointed out how in the past, there have been big civil rights legislation in the '60s but ended up broken apart, one addressed to voting, housing,
other things. more incrementally. that's the idea. but at the same time, everybody is talking about the filibuster because that is the only way they'll be able to move forward, even if you get most people on board. if you can't get all 50 senators plus the vice president's tying vote, you're not going to get anything anyway, can't get anywhere without the ability to pass that vote without any republican support because republicans are solidly in favor of what is happening on the state level that is texas democrats traveled to washington to speak out against. >> and sam, what's your sense of the support from the white house on capitol hill for a voting rights carve out at this point? >> very minimum. we reported that james clyburn close biden ally came out publicly said i want the president to endorse a carve out for voting and election laws. the white house was the position hasn't changed.
they want to bring back a talking filibuster, by that put the onus on the opposition, those doing the filibuster to show up, get to the floor, sustain their filibuster as opposed to the majority to break it. but they're not in favor of a carve out in the sense we get from reporting, they see it as sort of a slippery slope in terms of rules reform. create a carve out for election, voting rights, another constituency, immigration advocates will say we should have a carve out for our interests, too, and then you get towards removing the filibuster which is something that joe biden has said he doesn't want to do. >> very briefly, garrett, almost out of time, but new reporting from "the washington post" about general milley's conversations with speaker pelosi about president trump's nuclear authority, reassuring pelosi, ma'am, i guarantee you we have checks and balances in the system. that's interesting.
from the phil ruker and carol eddie book. >> reporter: speaker pelosi said she reached out to milley. her concerns about the stability of former president trump and his decision making. now we know it went beyond pelosi, talking behind the scenes directly with general milley about the concerns. an interesting development. >> okay. thank you all. that's from the i alone can fix it. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. today is 25 years since msnbc went live. so much changed, including hair colors, styles. congratulations to all my colleagues that have been here the whole time, me included, among the first ones on air that day, brian williams. read his thoughts on the launch
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