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broadcast for this wednesday night, with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all of my colleagues, at all the networks of nbc news, goodnight. etwork of nbc news, goodnight tonight on all in >> that then sparked some backlash from some members of our legislature who went so far as to call for the dissolution of the state department of health. >> the madness of the republican anti-vax push has new covid cases start to skyrocket amongst the unvaccinated. then, after biden's bidens impassioned -- trumps endorsement in pennsylvania. plus -- >> these tax payments are going to lift more than half of the children who are currently in poverty, out of poverty. >> the life-changing tax
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credited being directly deposited in america bank accounts of americans tomorrow. and big plans. >> we are getting this done. >> a whopping 3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure deal. >> so this is, i would say the most consequential piece of legislation being proposed since the great depression. >> one of the architects of this deal, senator bernie sanders joins me live. all this now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. if there's one thing we know about covid, a year and a half of covering it, a year and a half of living with it, is that cases are either going up or they're going down. they hardly ever stay the same. they don't plateau, unless you're in the country that suppressed the virus, and even then, it takes eternal vigilance. now we had a window to try to do that, to drive cases
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absolutely into the ground, to achieve some kind of suppression through mass vaccination. the biden administration came into office aiming to do that starting in mid april, the country hit its peak affects nations. we have been vaccinating fewer and fewer people each week leaving more people susceptible during the pandemic. and now, guess what, places are opening back up, people are socializing and going to concerts, and nightclubs, and all of the things we used to do, cases are going back up. a lot of that has been fueled by the highly contagious delta variant, you've heard a lot about it. study suggests that it is up to 60% more transmissible. and the recent weeks, recent covid cases have doubled. a seven-day average of more than 2500 hundred cases as of yesterday. they're increasingly bad in the american south, covid cases in missouri have shot up 80% over the last two weeks. a similar increase has occurred
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in mississippi. right now florida has the second highest rate of covid in the country up more than 250% over the last two weeks. that is not good. and the highest rate in the country is the one in tennessee, a state that we talked about last night and will talk again about tonight, whose average daily case rate has increased more than 420% over the past two weeks. all these places are relatively behind the vaccination curve. so they're rise in cases was not an foreseeable. >> here in the south, particularly in louisiana, mississippi, we're seeing low vaccination rates in less than 10% of via adolescents are vaccinated in many of the southern states. so we have a real vulnerability here. remember that this time last year we were looking pretty good and then we had that enormous acceleration after the july 4th holiday, july, august, september was terrible in this part of the country. and we have to assume that mother nature is telling us that the same thing is gonna happen again. some really holding my breath
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about this south about what happens over the summer. >> that's a month ago, a month ago doctor peter hotez said something very similar my program here. that proved scientific foresight it upset the prominence as fox news. >> they just can't let the pandemic go. at some point, they're gonna have to let -- break the illusion. >> well it's like some of these people get put out there all the time when they have been dead wrong over the last year. >> but porter cortez hasn't been dead wrong now. you don't have to be a doctor to see this. things haven't changed. the fact is that delta variant is more trans miscible, people are congregating as though the disease was gone, and if they're not vaccinated, they're just gonna catch it and transmitted. that's what's happening. even in places like the uk, where they have a greater vaccination rate where people have received at least one dose,
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today the country reported more than 42,000 new cases. that's a lot. but, thankfully, less than 15 deaths, and that's the one good news from the uk. very important, and a lesson here. even as cases have spiked, the death numbers are nowhere near what they would be without the vaccine. and that's because people older than 65 are the most vaccinated group in the uk, and the age group most deceptively to die from covid. i don't think we should see anything that we have seen in previous waves of this pandemic because thankfully, via large, the most vulnerable americans are vaccinated. now that's not totally comprehensive, there are some people that are still immunocompromised, people who can't get the vaccine, the people who the vaccine will not work for them. but we shall not see the same scale of hospitalization as we once saw, and thank up for that. all of that said, what's so maddening is that we have this preventable tragedy now and
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we're still rolling the dice. i mean, here's what i mean. statistical sense, if you're 24 years old and healthy, and you choose not to get vaccinated, the odds are you'll be fine. you'll get covid and will be fine. but there is no guarantee. we >> shall knew quo could never have imagined what covid-19 would do to her 24 year old son, blake is still working every day to stand and walk again after three months in the hospital and a double low transplant. >> he had called me that friday with the results and he said mom, you're gonna be mad. i got covid. >> blake was the only one in his family who didn't want to get vaccinated. >> he wanted to wait a few years to see if, you know, there isn't any side effects as soon as he got in the hospital, he said he wished she gotten vaccinated. >> all the ways are trying to manage this disease --
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it was complicated, there are trade-offs. just this year we heard from the cdc that overdoses were up a tremendous amount last year. all kinds of costs to the -- with a vaccine, we essentially have a trade-off three way out. and while people around the world don't have access to this vaccine. frontline workers, nurses, and doctors in bangladesh or nigeria don't have access to the vaccine. even with the biden administration is working on the plan to allocate millions of doses, the u.s. is still sitting on a stockpile that a lots of americans don't to take. and on top of that, a political party that is essentially on the side of the disease. there is no example -- of what's happening in tennessee, state with a 50% jump of cases. the tennessee department of
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health has willamette -- pressure from republican state lawmakers out because they didn't like how this state vaccination officials advising medical providers on what tennessee state law said about teenagers getting the vaccine. not only are these stopped vaccine outreach by holistic health office, they also fired their top vaccine official doctor fiscus. guidance she distributed for teens seeking for vaccines without their parents guidance. >> i was doing language around tennessee's minor major -- a case law from 1987 a tennessee supreme court ruling that children's 14 and older can receive medical care with their own consent without the consent of the parents. and i took that language that i was told in an email was
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blessed by the governor's office and that i could share with anyone that i so choose, put it into an email to our 19 providers unscented out. and overtime, a very short period of time, there was some backlash from what -- felt that that was an inappropriate memo to put out them that the information should've been shared, and that it was somehow targeting our youth even though this was a memo sent to our medical providers like every other memo sent our men decal providers. that then sparked some backlash from some members of our legislature who went so far as to call for the dissolution of the state department of health, because of this information that i had shared. and that has now devolved into the department of health not only pulling back on messaging
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to teenagers about getting covid-19 vaccine but creating berries for their ability to access the vaccine that now has devolved into a more tourism messaging on any vaccine for children whether that's infants, or back to school vaccines, or hpv vaccines, and even canceling school based food immunization clinics for the fall as a result of the saber rattling among some of our religious leaders. >> this is likely gonna get people sick and some people killed. the question is how many, but to do about it? today the administration invited popstar olivia rodrigo at the white house in a concerted effort to push back against vaccine disinformation among the young. >> i am humbled to be here today to spread the message about youth vaccination. i am in awe of the work that
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president biden and doctor fauci have done. and support to have conversations with friends and family members encouraging all communities to get vaccinated, and actually get to vaccination scent that you can do more easily than ever before given how many sites we have and how easy it is to find them. >> well good for you olivia, what's crazy for me is that we're working against a virus in a political movement that is being a doing to the virus. that's all we have right now, dr. peter hotez a professor of pediatrics at the miller colored medicine, he is also a code -- london wrote lamar is a state representative from tennessee and they both join me now. representative lamar let me ask you how has this happen in your state, where is this pressure coming from this backlash toward the public health officials, particularly doctor ficus?
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>> once more, tennessee republicans are making us the subject of embarrassing political headlines. last month, in the government operation committee, which i was standing in, the republicans were asking questions about the department felt about the information of -- they had concerns and they did not appreciate the department. but they said was marketing two teenagers based on this much her minor document. well at the time, all we only had eight teenagers reported that had taken the vaccine without their parents. three of those children where the commissioner of the department of health's children. so what we were doing because the republicans don't believe that covid-19 is real, and we're making political statements with this disease, we are now making doctor michelle ficus the latest victims of what they were trying to do by limiting all tennessean's access to the vaccine.
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right now, this is incredible. we're in the midst of a pandemic where tennessee is number one in the country for the highest rates of vaccine and it is immoral and an irresponsible that we are denying basic human ability to access -- again, our republican claims to be the party of pro-life. well if you are the party of pro-life, before children and give them access to life saving health care opportunities and help save their lives. we see right now in the state of mississippi, there are seven kids in icu right now, two on ventilators, because of this new delta variant of covid. those are gonna be the same stories coming out of tennessee as we continue to restrict them from having basic as access these vaccines. doctor ficus was not pushing to recommend anyone to do anything, it's your personal choice to get a vaccine.
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but she was reminding coworkers about a law that was already in the books, about the mid major minor document. and this is gun affect the lives of all people. in fact, potentially kill some people. >> that is really interesting and useful information that there are only eight kids in the state that we are actually showing up in doing this, and this was guidance to essentially educate, which some of your colleagues saw an opportunity to wage a culture war on. this >> doctor was peter hortez the talk about states that have lower vaccination rates as you protected. and to me the silver lining, is that example from the uk. and the stated that we got from the kaiser family foundation, -- 80% of covid-19 deaths in the u.s.. we have locally higher rates of vaccination among the most vulnerable population do you anticipate that we are not going to see the kinds of mass
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hospital overruns and huge death toll at we've seen from other waves? >> yeah that's right chris, the character of the epidemic will be different. the deaths won't be as high, but as i like to point out just looking at deaths alone is a blunt instrument. we've learned so much more about covid-19 in terms of the more subtle yet very severe morbidities, what many people call long haul covid with chronic and long term neurological deficits, heart palpitations, shortness of breath's. they really concern me. a new paper coming out of the oxford university group issuing that long haul covid can actually lead to commonly, gray matter brain degeneration, that almost resembles alzheimer's disease associated with cognitive decline, memory loss. that was looked at more and adults, now we have data from
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jama, showing that about 26% of young adults are getting long haul covid. we don't have good data on the adolescents, some people say five to 10%, 15 to 20%, but who wants to risk that? this is a time in their lives where they're applying for universities or taking their sats. getting jobs after college. this is not a time in your life where you want to be suffering long term neurological deficits, which are preventable, through vaccination. only 20% of the adolescents are vaccinated in the state of tennessee compared to three or four times higher rates in the northeast. we're going to subject all of these adolescents and kids, and younger dogs to the effects of long haul covid, and in terms of thousands and thousands, and it just doesn't have to be this way. >> final question for you, representative lamar, is there something that could be done in
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your state to boost vaccination that is not being done, particularly by the state's republican governor or officials? >> i think because we can't depend on our state legislature, and our government, to help and give adequate information about how to access vaccines if we so choose. we have to take personal responsibility for our health care. i'm calling on all citizens, parents, teachers, health care officials, doctors to remind everyone that you have the right to get this vaccine, and you should to protect yourself against the covid-19 virus. this new deadly delta strain, what we can do to save lives, we can go to social media, talk about it in our churches, community centers, everywhere so that we can protect ourselves. what you see is that we can't depend on the government to protect us, they are putting our lives at risk, we must do
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this ourselves. it is my job as a legislature to continue to inform my citizens on how they can access the vaccine. i am so disappointed in the leadership, the state of tennessee, and what we are doing by refusing to give our babies, our babies, the ability to protect themselves. when we still have 30,000 kids who need the measles vaccination and can get it because of the covid, so we have a lot to do and this is a moral war that we need to keep pressing in order to get it done for our kids. >> we've reached out of course the tennessee health department and they said to be clear we have no way halted the immunizations for children program, they understand the importance of childhood immunization, the impacts to over health of the tennessee ends. they have suspended the information and see it as a tactical retreat.
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doctor peter hotez and tennessee state representative london lamar, thank you for making time for us. >> thank you. >> the democrats have a deal, progressive win in the sweeping infrastructure rules announced last night, my interview with bernie sanders, one of the key architect of the plan coming up right after this break. after this break
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>> president biden met with senate democrats on capitol hill today has announced a deal on a 3.5 trillion dollar spending plan, according to a source familiar with negotiations. the human infrastructure bill will dramatically expand medicare, universal pre-k, affordable childcare, paid family medical leave. it would prohibit tax increases on people making less than $4,000 a year. we need everyone to agree on it in order to be passed into law using the budget reconciliation process which evades a republican filibuster. now it is in addition to the nearly 580 billion dollar infrastructure work. they hope to advance both the bills before congress leaves for august recess. joining me now is one of the architects of the 3.5 trillion dollar spending plan, the chair of the senate budget committee,
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senator bernie sanders, independent of vermont. first senator sanders, let's start off with what is in this bill? it's been a little hard to keep track of everything both the negotiations, the proposals in the white house, from the budget committee. just top line, what are we talking about here? >> while we're talking about is the understanding that for decades working families have been struggling, the very rich have been getting richer, and you have billionaires and large corporations that pay in a given year nothing in taxes. point number one. this bill will substantially raise taxes on the richest people in this country, and the largest corporations, that's number one. number two. for decades, we have ignored the need of working families. everybody knows that we have a child care system which is dysfunctional. in my state, $15,000 a year, that's about have average nationally. pre-k, the same.
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we have a higher education system where kids can't afford to go to college, or leaving school deeply in debt. under the proposal, we are bringing forth no family in america would pay more than 7% of their income to childcare, universal pre-k, free tuition at public colleges, and universities. this legislation and the international disgrace, chris. where the only country on earth that doesn't provide paid family medical leave. we're going to end that. we are going to deal in the most aggressive way imaginable with the housing crisis. we are -- on housing. we are dealing with the physical infrastructure. and of course, we are making the largest investment in this country's history in transforming our energy system away from fossil fuel to combat
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the existential threat of climate change. among many other provisions. in other words, what the president has done and what we have done is said, you know what, let's look at the crises facing working families and the planet, less address those crises. >> there is one specific part of the climate legislation that i've been very focused on which is the clean energy standard. it's really important. many states have this. it requires states to have a car target for how much electricity is produced by non carbon sources, we don't have a national one, a lot of climate folks thinks this is the key mechanism. that is in the bill right now. right? >> that is in the bill. it's gonna stay in the bill. >> okay. now here's the thing, and i know you hate to talk parliamentary stuff, i know you do, i don't like -- it >> as a matter of fact, i do, you're right. >> but the clean energy
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standard is a great example, key policy, a really good policy, i personally i'm happy to see it in the bill, i've been really focused on this, can that go through reconciliation? >> well it can go, look, we are dealing -- i won't bore everybody with senate rules, but we are going to achieve few goals that the president has brought forth in terms of the reduction of carbon. we're gonna do it in the best way that we can do it. among many other provisions. we're gonna be talking about moving aggressively in transportation. moving towards electric -- electrification system. making sure that our power plants are not reliant on carbon, but sustainable energies, also i should tell you we are investing tens of
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billions of dollars in something that i personally i'm very excited about. that is a civilian climate core. we're gonna give hundreds of hundreds of thousands of young people who believe passionately in the need to reverse climate change, the opportunity to earn good pay and get in educational benefit as well to help us combat climate change. so add it all together, you know what's in my view this is probably the most consequential piece of legislation since the 1930s. >> i want to play with joe manchin said, this can be passed without republicans, it has to pencil out. it can be deficit spending, my understanding about the rules here, i want to play with mentioned said which -- it sounds like people are open. everything i've heard from democrats as basically more less on the same page. here's what he had to say. take a listen. here's>> i've been very clear, t
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to be sure that is going to be competitive. >> is 3.5 trillion to high? >> it depends on if we can pay for it. >> so the point is, this is already penciled out, everybody who worked on this has done the math, right? am i correct in that? >> yes. yes. >> there will be unsure fights and wrangling about specific city, but the last thing i want to say this, there is something fascinating, when you talk about the new deal, i feel like i'm watching a new model of legislation which is basically, this here is what the democrats ran off here's a democratic agenda, it's almost like parliamentary, where biden and the rest of the party got behind these big infrastructure investment and climate, and the kara khan of me and what you are coming for today is basically like saying here it is, all together, we're not gonna pass a piecemeal, we're not gonna do it out of these
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committees. this is the agenda right here is that a fair way to characterize it. we cannot pass the piecemeal because due to -- we're not gonna get one republican vote. and the other point that i would make personally, and i believe this passionately, is that at a time where in so many americans believe the government has forgotten them, turned their backs on their needs, what i hope this legislation will do is restore the fate of the american people that their government can represent ordinary americans, not just the wealthy and the powerful and their lobbyists. so this, in many respects, is a transformative piece of legislation. >> all right, senator bernie sanders, that's a fascinating day and a lot of interesting things to play out ahead of us. come back soon. up next, the race to the biden in pennsylvania, republicans
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images and videos from the moment the mob gathered at the capitol on january 6th insurrection and it's this one, the man on the left wearing the baseball cap with his own name on it is the sun senator from -- rick cercone is also republican politician. feet from the united states capitol minutes before it was breached. since then, state senator mastriano is representative of the district, has continued to throw himself wholeheartedly behind the big lie, that the 2020 election was stolen. leading for a push that of a
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forensic audit, the preposterous and toxic enterprise we've seen in arizona. he is also said that trump has asked him to run for governor. he said, doug run and i'll campaign for you. but he is not the only republican vying to win trump's support. liu bartlett also declared his candidacy and former u.s. attorney bill mcswain, was also considered in the run, tried to fund-raise off president biden 's visit yesterday to explain quote, joe biden is coming to pennsylvania to protest secure elections. you think he'd be thrilled to prove he won fairly, puzzled emoji. fight back here. now, as the former u.s. attorney for pennsylvania, next we know as well there was no widespread voter fraud in 2020. that didn't stop him from writing a letter to trump,
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claiming that bill barr prevented him from investigating voter fraud any lag around it like irregularities. what we've learned is that we have to take barr -- barr telling the washington post for any suggestion that mix wayne was told to stand down from investigating allegations of being false. barr actually called mix wayne to confront him and explained told him that he was in a tough spot and you wanted to run and needed trumps neutrality, if not support. pennsylvania is a swing state, it's gonna be a mid term, they're gonna have it with -- biden only wanted by a little over 1% in 2020. so just imagine what would've happened in the last election if someone like mastriano or bar lego, or marks wayne, have
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been governor of pennsylvania. imagine what would happen in the next presidential election if they are to become presidents next year. that is the precipice we are currently dangling over. i am joined by will, let me start with you, as someone who has been covering pennsylvania politics for a long time. the mcswain effort to get in there is rather pathetic and gross, but, you know, he understands the way a trump endorsement will work and mastriano, because he's pursuing the big lie, will be favorable to get. it >> i think you're absolutely right to call this a race to the bottom. and mcswain has a lead. he got forward and the big lie back in november, you showed the pictures of him on january 6th. he went to -- he is really the guy who is the
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most recurring trump's favor of the supposed election fraud. and, again, he had a good profile before 2020. he was a progressive da, and he really thought he was set. and now 2021 tier and he realizes that he can't get anywhere unless he can convince trump that he is aggressively supporting the great lie. so you see this pathetic letter that he sent to trump and is embarrassing smackdown by will bar. so essentially, he's trying to keep up. and basically, whatever he's shown to being closest to trump side, he's going to have ahead
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in this race. every democrats -- governor wolf is terminated. it's a republican nominees are gonna have a good chance, and 2024 when the next presidential election is relegated. >> on this scale, we should really reiterate this about montreal, no he convened that ridiculous hearing, that giuliani was voting fraud was happening in a bunch of states. he also spent warehouses of spend thousands of busses ahead of d.c. insurrection. he is essentially there on the day of the insurrection pursuing, if not, entering the building of the insurrectionists. and michelle, this goes ahead of what's on michigan today, where the gop who's the head of the party had to quit, because
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he wouldn't say that the election was stolen, that trump blew it. this is a witness test. >> yes, i was gonna bring that up in contrast to what's happening in pennsylvania. and what's so important i think is to remember that the reason that there ultimately wasn't a successful coup the last time around was because the many cases you have republican officials at various levels acting responsibly from the county level to governors like brian kemp and doug you see in arizona however outrageous their behavior was in other ways, they behaved responsibly in regards to just urging their duty to democracy. and everyone who behaved in that way is now being threatened with replacement. and the sort of soul criteria for a new generation of republicans is total fidelity to the big lie. and a professed willingness to
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do in 2024 would republicans weren't able to do in 2020. yeah, and will, i think that's where the dangerous danger happen. when we think of mastriano is governor at a congested election or what he would do, i guess the question is, is there some degree -- i guess here's the question, if someone like mastriano won that primary was, either the general or the dynamics of midterm elections in pennsylvania such that, whoever it is that winds that prize will have that conflict shot? >> i think they will have a coin flip shop. one thing is the democrats are fortunate in the attorney general very -- very familiar with -- he is almost certainly going to be the democratic nominee. he's very popular, i think that
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he won better than biden's statewide in 2020. and i think the fact that -- in 2020 are going to affect voters who look at someone like mastriano. people who are eager to get with donald trump, i mean, the idea of someone like mastriano becoming governor is the worst nightmare. so that could motivate people at the poll. but given our history, absolutely the republicans haven't excellent shot at the sea, and they're also senate seats coming up in the coming year. >> all right michel goldberg and will bush, thank you so much i appreciate it. >> thanks chris. >> tomorrow's a very big day, it is the first day of a massive social policy experiment in the u.s. that could make you see more money in your bank account. more just ahead. nt more just ahead.
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>> as long as people have been protesting in the united states and around the world, they have been marching in the streets. literally. that's where the phrase comes from. taking to the streets. it's not taking to the sidewalks. and that means sometimes blocking traffic. i mean that was true of a lot of black lives matter protests after the murder of george floyd last summer. people took to the streets, sometimes even closing down highways. we saw this very disturbing trend of people driving cars through protests in those streets, protesters getting injured as a result. and then, to literally add insult to injury, republicans in certain states started protecting the drivers who used their cars as weapons. one of those states was florida where governor ron desantis signed a bill granting immunity to those drivers and making it a felony for protesters to block a highway. guess what they got one of the
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trials of this law, he and his crew -- you know they're gonna get tough, protesters yesterday having the audacity to close down a florida highway marching right down the middle of the street, florida law enforcement came in, through the book at them. well know, of course not. those protesters were protesting the communist regime in cuba, which by the way i'm sure also blocking traffic, and which republicans all love because they hate the cuban regime. those protests in cuba erupted as prices have sparked -- because those are the kinds of protests that florida republicans alike, of course, they're not going to try to enforce this new law against those floridians who took to the streets and blocked traffic to protest the cuban regime. as far as we can figure out, only a few people arrested at
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those protests even though they are all in violation, precisely the thing that desantis made a big show about criminalizing. because none of this was actually about principle, it has to do with who is doing the protesting. the law he passed in the wake of the blm has always been around. it's about the ultimate trump fantasy, using the system to put the screws to your political enemies. political enemies. hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right?
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states, something really remarkable is going to happen. tens of millions of households with children are going to start getting direct deposits from the government to help defray the cost of raising children. it's part of the enhanced childhood tax credit, but it was passed as part of the american rescue plan. in the aim is to dramatically reduce u.s. child poverty which remains way higher than just about any country.
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if you have a child in your house right now, if you're watching this, 3000 per child 6 to 17 years old. 3600 per child under six-year-old. all working families will get the full credit if they make up to 100,000 for a couple or 112,000 for a single parent. 90% of all households with kids in the country, not just in this program, with but this is like a basic income for child related expenses in this country. a lot of folks also got a leather from president joe biden it says this, i want to stress, if you filed your taxes in 2020 or 2019, you will get your child tax relief automatically, meaning you don't have to do anything, it's just gonna show up. you did not have to take action. when i took office that to promised the american people that help was on the way. this payment is one more way the american rescue plan makes good on that promise. brighter days are ahead. jason deparle, he has covered
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the child tax credit extensively in the new york times, written about it and he joins me now. jason, i saw your bio on this piece and i thought, i've been reading your work on this policy area for years, decades i think, actually. and i just thought that from your perspective as someone who has covered this, what's the meaning of this in terms of policy intervention is in the united states, which really is like -- compared to other countries? >> chris, you started off by using the word remarkable. i don't think i can top that. it really is. if you have been covering poverty in america for as long as i have, the idea that we would have essentially the equivalent of european child allowance seemed unfathomable. suddenly came to fruition. if there's one thing i'd like your audience to know about the child tax credit is that it's
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not really a child tax credit, it doesn't have anything to do with taxes. as you put it, it's a form of a guaranteed income with families with children. every nine out of ten kids are going to get a check. >> it also does an interesting thing that i think is a different way of thinking about policy and redistribution which is that it is a uniform amount of money for everyone. you are not doing all of this complicated equation, if you make this, you get this, everyone is getting the same thing but it is highly progressive in so far that that money is more meaningful for someone making $16,000 a day -- >> the problem with it is that it left out the lowest third, the poorest thirds of american kids because there was an earning threshold, it was a tax
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credit, you had to have enough earnings in order to get it one has happened in the past years that we've gone from that program which was mostly aimed at the middle class, and it went to families with incomes of $400,000 a year, to expand the tax credit but to focus it on those poorest thirds of kids who weren't getting the full amount. by doing that we're going to erase half the child poverty in the country overnight. >> the political dynamics are fascinating to me, and i someone was covered this both from the policy side in the politics, you can imagine a universe in which tomorrow was a day in which republicans were all railing against this, this was the top topic in conservative outlets, we saw that with the welfare fights in the 1990s. we've seen politics like that across countries, not just in
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the u.s., right? people getting something for nothing. does it strike you that the absence of that right now, maybe i'm not paying attention, but it does seem different then this might have been played 20 years ago or more? >> the opposition has been much more muted than i would have expected. i think it is in part because, as you said, it's not solely a benefit for poor people. most of the people who will be getting this credit are not poor, two thirds or more will go to families that are not poor. so i think you eliminates some of that resentment that you would get around programs that are targeted for the poor. you hear the stories all the time, somebody standing in the grocery store and they see when they take to be somebody spending food stamps on an item that is too expensive, i think you'll be getting less of that, because it is a benefit that everybody is gonna get. you're not gonna be complaining
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why did my neighbor get this and i did not. that's part of it. part of it is also some conservatives are for the benefit because they're concerned about middle class and lower middle class families abilities to raise kids. >> really a fascinating social experiment were about to embark on, jason deparle, one of the great reporters on this topics for decades now. as always, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> that is all in on this wednesday night the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. thanks to you at home for good joining us this hour.rachel the letter is dated today. it went out today. it went out under the letterhead of the oversight committee in the house of representatives and it is addressed to the ceo of cyber a man named doug logan. the oversight committee in congress has now sent this letter. they sent it to a rented mailbox at a ups store in sarasota,


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