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programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and super station, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. roll that around for a while. those were among his final published words. he died ten months later. here we are 25 years later, realizing just what he was trying to tell us back then. that is our broadcast for this monday night. with our thanks for being here with us, with my thanks to chris and ali happy to have you . so, the planes just landed late today a few dozen democratic members of the texas state house of representatives, met here, a local plumbers union
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meeting in austin texas, after they all met their together, they got on a bus, and they drove straight onto the tarmac at the airport in austin. they then all boarded a pair of planes to leave the state of texas, altogether. here's how the texas tribune highlighted that trip. this is a dramatic thing that has been underway this afternoon and into tonight. it's a crucial part that's happening right now as we speak. right now, the texas legislature is in session. the republican-led house and republican led senate is trying to pass legislation that would make it significantly harder to vote in texas, in a state where it's already not that easy to vote. the way they are trying to change the voting laws in texas would disproportionately affect
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colors -- voters of color, and texas democrats have left the state, they left texas entirely, tonight. in the last if -- ditch effort to stop this from becoming law. the texas democrats planes landed just out of washington d.c. in the last hour. it is 51 democrats from the texas state house on board those two planes. we are told at least seven other texas democrats are making their way to d.c. as well, separately. if this sounds at all familiar to you, texas democrats pulling a big tactical surprise move to stop voting rights is because this is the second iteration of this we've seen in a few weeks. it was in may, when republicans in the texas senate jammed through an earlier version of the voter suppression bill. they passed that bill in the middle of the night on a holiday weekend, it was right before the end of the legislative session.
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the fact that it was right before the end of the session, it ended up being tactically important. it passed the senate very late. it still had to pass the house. the texas house had less than 24 hours to pass that bill through their chamber, in to send it to the governors desk before the legislator came to a close. in an already passed the senate, the republicans who were the majority in the house, they promised they would pass the house as well. the promised they would sign it. it was a foregone conclusion that the anti voting rights bill would become law, making it even harder to vote in the state of texas. it was a foregone conclusion that it was done, until it wasn't. again, this is what happened in may, two hours before the deadline to get that bill passed in the texas house, texas democrats quietly, without any fanfare, any announcement, one by one, started leaving the house chamber. there are 150 members of the house in texas according to the rules, at least two thirds of
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the members must be president to hold a vote, that's called the quorum and without a quorum all house business has to stop. so eventually, quietly, no fanfare, no announcement, enough of those texas democrats left the house when buying one and said they broke the quorum. with that walk out, back in may, texas democrats were able to block that bill. they were able to run out the clock on the legislative session in texas is the. in the legislative session ended at midnight, the restriction to vote and had passed the senate, but it did not pass the house. it could not be signed into law, they blocked it. that was what happened in may of this year. right away the republican governor of texas promised he would haul the legislature rate on back he said he would call a special legislative session, specifically so they could put their voter restriction bill back on the docket in this time they would get it to the governors desk so he could sign it. that is the session we're in
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right now, it's the special session. a few small changes, for all intents and purposes it's the same bill they tried to pass this spring, even though they were foiled by the late technical room maneuver by the democrats. this bill they are moving to pass right now in texas would ban drive-through voting, it would ban voting in the overnight hours, it would restrict voting by mail. it would restrict absentee voting, things that would make it harder for working people and the disabled, among others, to vote. texas already has a very low voter turnout. among other things, this bill would get rid of all of the innovations that just happened in the last year or two to try to increase texas turnout, because texas republicans didn't like what they saw when more texans turned out to vote. this weekend, on saturday, both the house and senate held hearings on the voter restriction bill that is now up. it wasn't just democrats given
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forceful restrictions against the bill, for speeches that gather dust on the public record. it was texas democrats, but also hundreds of members of the public who showed up to say, don't do this. they really throw everything they had at the bill this weekend to try to stop it. they tried one more time to stop it, and democrats, we've had a little forewarning of this at the end of last week, one of the texas democrats came on the show and talked about the fact that they were going to offer as many amendments as they could to try to slow this thing down. in fact, this weekend, we saw that happen. democrats tried attaching amendment after amendment to try to delay this thing. it's not nonsense amendments, there were things that need to be considered for the legislation. republicans voted them all down, every one of them. hundreds of texans filed an official opinion of the bill, with the texas house for the lawmakers to take into decision when they wanted to vote. of the 480 texans who registered an opinion, 407 of
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the 484 of them spoke in opposition to the bill. close to 300 texas voters showed up in person, yesterday, to actually testify before house and senate committees about their republican voter restriction. 300 texans. the vast majority of the voters that turned up were there to testify before the bill. they stood up in front of these lawmakers and said, why from their experience, living in texas this bill would be a bad thing for the state. it would be a bad thing for voters like them. >> as as a member of the sorority, our first public act was to march in the woman suffered's march in 1916. as black woman, the first 22 founders that were told to walk behind, would be the last people in that march and i think it's important and really
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shaped my view today because i know that as a young black woman, that my vote has been one of the last groups of people who have been considered and granted the opportunity to vote. the history of voter suppression in this country has lasted way longer than the efforts to make sure that voters are eligible and having affairs say and have the opportunity to vote without intimidation. i really just want you ought to consider that today. >> i am the councilwoman of the seven in disown or texas, i was recently elected -- elected this year into office. i'm a veteran. i served my country proudly for ten years, two tours in iraq. many of the things i have seen in fc one, directly impacted the people that look just like me, who have similar
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backgrounds as i do. as a veteran, i learned very quickly how important voting was to me. i opposed as the one, i'm grateful to be an elected official as well, but i know i don't want to choose my voters. i want my voters to choose me. >> many of the voters, the texans who showed up to testify the republican bill, got to the texas legislature at six in the morning on saturday to start their waiting in line for the turn to speak. some of them don't even have a chance to testify until 1 am on sunday. one committee hearing on this bill lasted almost a full 24 hours. in the end, all the democratic amendments were voted down by all the republicans. republicans did not listen to the arguments against the bill despite what most of their constituents who are telling them. the republican bill that will make it harder in texas was voted out of committee on pure party lines.
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a full vote in the house and senate will be scheduled sometime later this week, and will then be sent to the governor for his signature. so, democrats are trying one more thing. that's where the planes to washington d.c. tonight come in. those 50 plus democrats have now bolted from texas as an effort to once again deny republicans a quorum. to deny them an opportunity to pass this voter suppression bill by basically pulling out the last off that they have. this is a little different than what we saw back in may. last time democrats stage those walkouts two hours before the legislative session. there wasn't time to run them up and force them before the chain in austin. lawmakers can be compelled to go back to the state capital if they are not present during the session. republicans, maybe, can stick the public safety office on them to track them down and
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around the mall back and what, forced him back to austin? in 2003, when texas democrats staged a similar approach to -- protest at of state, they ordered state troopers to go find the democrats home and take them back to texas. texas state troopers cannot arrest anyone outside of texas, including in washington d.c., neither can the capitol safety office for that matter. that's why democrats left the state. that's why democrats flood texas this time, to indefinitely deny republicans a quorum, in an effort to block these voting restrictions from becoming law. emerson news is saying tonight before they pick d.c. as their safe harbor, they regionally planned on setting up camp in arizona, where west virginia. why those two places? because those are the home states of two conservative democratic senators, kirsten sinema and joe manchin who's in who's hands the fate of a national voting rights bill,
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effectively sits. texas democrats hoped that might pressure those two u.s. senators to change their mind about to passing voting rights at the federal level, because without federal protections, texas republicans are going to do what they are going to do here. ultimately, the texas democrats felt that would be too risky going to arizona or west virginia, given that both those states have republican governors. they were those red state governors might somehow tell -- help republicans in reestablish the quorum. that's the kind of drama we are dealing with here. more than 50 democrats from the texas house are now in washington d.c. tonight. the flights from austin to d.c. carrying those democrats just have landed in the past hour. there are not only trying to throw a wrench in the works, trying to stop the voting law from happening in texas, they picked d.c. ultimately. not as the purely symbolic thing, but because they are
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begging for a federal response here. they are begging for a federal backstop to voting rights, that would stop a state like texas or any other republican controlled state from being able to pass voting rights restrictions like the one in the east texas democrats are staring down the barrel of right now. joining us now, and i will tell you, joining us now on face time from a bus with his democratic colleagues just outside of d.c., and outside the great state of texas is, trey martinez fisher. one of the leaders behind today's plan. i believe he is paying for his democratic colleagues in d.c. tonight. for sure, thank you for joining us tonight. >> good to be with, you rachel. this is an important sport for the nation. >> how is your flight? >> it's a lot of emotion. we are here on a mission. we have courage, we have conviction, we are bringing our voices to the nation's capital
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and make no mistake, we are mothers, where fathers, we have jobs, we owned businesses. we have a home. there is a lot of emotion right now because a lot is on the line. that's how important it is. we have to stand up for our democracy and listen, rachel, we brought a lot of democrats to the nation in june, and we made noise. this is how we brought reinforcements. we have well over 15 members of the texas house with courage, and conviction, -- conviction, and a little bit of science, we've come here to tell our story. we certainly want to rally the nation, but most importantly, which, all we want the senate to hear us and we want them to act and passed before the people act to preserve democracy in this country. . >> do you and your colleagues have any expectations in terms of how long you are going to have to stay and side of texas? obviously you are there to make your case, that we need federal voting rights as you just said,
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to pass the for the people right, but you are also there is part of a tactical remover to block republicans from passing with their otherwise going to pass in the state of texas. how long do you think you have to stand a texas in order to accomplish the second goal? >> >> well, you know. we're dealing with a really obstinate governor who wants to run his primary campaign at our expense. we're not gonna put up that. i think every men and women on this bus packed their biggest suitcase and stuffed as much close as they could and where united. we have great, we have resolved and we are determined to find a solution and we are always willing to talk. but as you mentioned in your layout, with men and women on the committee when they're shut out of the process to bring ideas. to have some kind of normal discussion on voter suppression. there's nothing special about this session in austin. it's a suppression session. they're trying to take away our right to vote and we're not gonna put up with it. we're going to fight.
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>> do you expect that they will try to compel you, literally compel you enforce you back into the state of texas? they have the ability to do that? is that part of your contingency plan at this point? >> well, those ideas light with the rules of the texas house which really don't apply in a court of law and they don't even apply outside in the nation's capital. i believe outside of the jurisdiction state police there welcome to come and visit the nation's capital but we're exercising our first amendment rights and as elected officials were here to lead a discussion on voting rights in america and why we need a national solution. >> tell me what your plans are in washington. you're talking about demonstrating the urgency. the need for a for the people act, the need for backstop for federal voting rights obviously. the dramatic move that you and your colleagues have made to
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get yourselves to d.c., really at the point of the spear here. tell that to yourself. do you have plans? the senate is in session this week, to take individual meetings with senators? to talk to with the republican senators. do you have plans to speak with administration or anyone else do you think might be key to this process? >> well, we are very aware that the president of the united states will address the nation on voting rights. we're keenly aware that the leader, schumer, knows the -- needs to happen before the recess. not anyone on the bus wants the senate to go home thinking that everyone is fine with voting rights with america. let's take a break. we're here to staircase. the meetings are developing as we seek around ground. we've only been here minutes on the ground. he called it here first. i think we want to go to the hotel, check in with our families and we do have a meeting first thing tomorrow morning. and you should expect to see us on capitol hill before lunch tomorrow. >> representative trey martinez
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fischer, i don't know if you have a handheld phone or a laptop that you're talking on. is there any way you can lift it up so i can see your colleagues on the bus? i want to get a sense of who -- hello texas democrats. it's rachel maddow here. hi. i'll tell you, the whole country is watching. the whole country is watching right now and what you are doing is something that could not be done with your commitment to do this in the way that you have done it, putting yourselves on the line. thank you for helping us understand and good luck in these next few days. good luck. >> thank you rachel. >> thank you. democratic state representative trey martinez fischer, we'll get you on the union roster for that little bit of camerawork there. i appreciated my friend. >> i'll give you my senate card, that's for sure. >> exactly, that's right. all right fascinating. texas democrats, we get more than 50 of them have left the state of texas tonight and it
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is a tactic that -- listen, texas democrats did this in 2003 ahead of a radical partisan redistricting of the state of texas. and they left the state and as i said, governor at the time said state troopers after them and it was a huge standoff and it was a big deal and ultimately they redistricting plan went through. but the eyes of the nation were on it. in this case, they haven't just fled the state because that denies the quorum. they have fled the state specifically to come to washington because washington is the one place this disaster in texas and this disaster in every other state where republicans are rolling back voting rights can be fixed. if there is a federal voting rights backstop at the federal level, and states will not have the option to bring their voting rights down below a floor set at the federal level. it doesn't mean the federal government will run elections. it doesn't mean that every state will run them exactly the same way. it will just mean that there is
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a floor below which voter suppression will not be allowed to sink. that is why the texas democrats are in washington. not just because they need to get out of the state. they did. but they're in washington because the for the people act is the only answer at this point. the voting rights act has been gutted in the courts. there is not recourse in the courts. there is no political recourse for republicans who do not care about the political blow back from this, because they know that the changes that they're making will insulate them from democratic repercussions. the only way to solve this problem, senators, the only way to solve this problem is for the united states senate to pass something like before the people act. to backstop voting rights at the federal level. that is what texas democrats are there for. it sounds like they are there indefinitely. they have not yet left the grounds of the airport. they said they'll be on capitol hill tomorrow morning before lunchtime to make their case. it's a dramatic thing and maybe the only thing that could
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happen here. all right, much more ahead tonight. stay with us. stay with us ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ at the end of last week,
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business insider was first to report that the longtime chief financial officer of former president trump's business, a man named allen weisselberg had been removed as an officer and director of a subsidiary of the trump business that runs one of the trump businesses in scotland and now this news about weisselberg being taken off of that subsidiary of trump 's company of course follows the indictment a week and a half ago of mr. weisselberg and former president trump's company.
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it's an interesting thing. at the end of last week weisselberg said it's taking that part of trump's company. the reason that's interesting is for a few reasons. first of all multi count indictment has many consequences as he now awaits trial. we actually looked into whether scottish law might have required mr. weisselberg to be removed as an officer and director of that company just because he was indicted. in this case, we don't think that's what happened. we don't think scottish law would have required his removal from the company. but still, his name came down. it came off it. that's interesting and itself. it's interesting to get down to the bottom of what happened, and would happen first. the other reason this is interesting and potentially important for us as a country is because frankly these stability, the state of mind and increasing radicalism of the immediate former president of the united states is a mash-up matter of national concern. the big conservative conference,
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cpac that president trump spoke at this weekend did a poll of who wants to be the republican nominee in 2024. trump had more than 70% of the vote in that poll. look at this bar graph. who is the front runner? if after everything, he is still the front runner for the next republican presidential nomination, and he is the current de facto leader of the republican party, then his stability and state of mind at court state of political phase asian is important for knowing what's possible in the country were one of the two governing parties remains enthralled to him. even after he was twice impeached. after it took him one term in office to lose the republican party, not only the white house but also the senate and the house. but the 15 count indictment a week and a half ago with his business and its longtime chief
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financial officer has different kinds of consequences for him than all those political consequences that he lived through as president. especially if it means that trump's companies can no longer be run anymore by the low key started as an accountant guy who is been making the trains run on time in that country since 1973. i mean, if allen weisselberg can no longer run things at the trump organization because of these felony indictments then who else is going to run the place? don jr.? the blond sun? really? allen weisselberg has been running that company from the back office for decades. if he is now out and trump is busy trying to be president again, it's going to be the kids? as i mentioned, business insider was supposed to report last week that allen weisselberg is no longer an officer or director of the trump organization subsidiary and scotland. the wall street journal and the
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washington post match that reporting today. the washington post further reporting actually the day after allen weisselberg's name got taken off the subsidiary in scotland. the next day on friday, the trump organization removed allen weisselberg from 40 other companies. 40 other trump subsidiaries in the state of florida. in most instances, allen weisselberg has been listed as some combination of director, treasurer, vice president, and or secretary of each of these subsidiaries. now he is out of all of those titles and the kids are in. instead. what could possibly go wrong? did i mention that allen weisselberg has been running the actual business part of that business since 1973? i'm sure don junior and the blond sun will be fine with it. that's a great. definitely nothing to worry about. nothing to free the freak out about i'm sure. if you have any stake in that
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business, let alone quite a large stake. as i said, as far as we can tell there is no reason to believe that weisselberg's and that meant legally forced him to be cut off from the trump company in scotland are from these other trump companies in florida. we're trying to figure out if it might be a banking requirement. we're trying to figure out if any of the terms of the financing that the trump organization uses might require an indicted official to step out of a director role and an executive role. and we started looking down that lane and we haven't shown any sign of that either, but for whatever reason mr. wipe solberg is out. his name is being taken out and his controlling role in all of those companies. after having played the key behind the scenes role in doing that and actually running the place for the last 48 years. now, in terms of the effect of that on the stability, the psyche of the former president, i don't know. we don't know for sure. but the dynamic that we work with him and around him right
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now within politics is one of his increased radicalization and increasing devotion for him among the ranks. i mean, the president's speech at cpac this weekend included an onscreen disclaimer from the fox news channel about his false claims about the election. as the justice department continues releasing new video of police officers being hit with metal poles and flagpoles, and stomped on, and dragged by their body armor and helmets into surging crowds that beat them and stomped on them at the steps of the u.s. capital on january 6th, as the justice department keep releasing additional footage like this, trump proclaim this weekend
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about the january six riders quote, these were people people -- peaceful people great people. the love in the air, i've never seen anything like it. he claim that the state of georgia deleted 100,000 votes in the election. in the same breath he said, georgia found 35,000 new votes. both of those things that once, i guess? maybe he forgets went number he was making up and member he said it should've been a minus or a plus, those votes were found, and he just decided to use both. i mean, it is unhinged stuff, even on the sliding scale of him. it's becoming increasingly unhinged stuff. it's part of the pressure in desperation he's feeling on the business and personal side of his life. it manifests in real life because of his whole -- over the republican party. [inaudible]
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simultaneously steps of the florida capital. this weekend demanding that all the people who demanded the capital should all be freed and they are all political fighters and there is all the proud boys lined up in front all giving the white power symbol with their hands. because, why not? we have reported last week on an incumbent u.s. senator, james lankford in oklahoma. his primary challenger, his whole campaign, it's based on the fact that senator lankford did not vote in the senate to overturn the presidential election results to try to keep trump in power. it's not surprising for a rampant trump supporter to be priming him for that purpose, but perhaps it is surprising that the oklahoma truman is
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endorsing that challenger against the sitting republican senator from oklahoma. the chairman of the state party is endorsing the challenger. the challenger is challenging lankford, specifically because he didn't vote to overturn the election. the state party is on board with that, lankford got to go. this weekend, it happened again. sitting republican senator lee mcal ski up for reelection in alaska. she said he shouldn't voted to impeach trump over the january 6th attack. murkowski should've overturn the elections in the senate to keep trump in power. again, perhaps it's not surprising that lisa murkowski is facing a trumpy thing like that in alaska. she tried to endorse that challenger, against the sitting republican senator because the state party now endorses her
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challenge to murkowski which is on the basis of the fact that murkowski ought to have overthrown the election results, voted that way, to keep trump in power. i don't know what is personally driving the former president, actually i don't really care to know. but you know, i am watching carefully the legal jeopardy that he, him for family, seem to be sinking him. a reasonable impression that circumstances might manifest as sort of signs of strain, in the former presidents announcements. for whatever reason, while the signs of strain are very evident in him, as he's getting more unhinged, definitely more radical in this claims both about the country and his proposed prescriptions for what the country ought to do about the things he says are wrong, i mean, he is demanding that the republican party purge those who betrayed him. he demanded today that michigan republican state senators who debunked the lies about the
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mexican election being stolen, those michigan republicans must be primaried out of office. cans mus as he praises the generous six capital attackers, and each new day makes a whole new brand new lies about the election that he can't even keep straight while he's saying them. as it goes around the bend a little bit, for whatever reason, the republican party is clinging to him tighter, tighter, and tighter in oklahoma, in alaska, at the cpac conference this weekend, where they all want him to be president, again the last cpac conference he got 57% of the vote now he's got 71. we see increasing at radicalization from him, an increasing commitment to him, the further around the bend he goes. where does that spiral and? today, in a michigan federal courtroom, we finally got one news development that might maybe interrupt that spiral that might make it at least
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between the lawyers and the judge, and 1.1 of the lawyers was reduced to tears, another lawyer shouted at the judge, i am not a potted plant, i am not a potted plant. he said it twice. there was so much yelling in people interrupting each other that the beleaguered court reporter, actually had to interject and ask everybody to stop talking over each other so she could actually -- accurately report the findings. that was pretty much how in one for six hours today as a federal judge in michigan grilled a whole bunch of pro trump lawyers, including sydney powell, one of rudy giuliani's partner in spreading trump's invented conspiracy theories in
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the election fraud in the days after the election. also, linwood, known for showing up at qanon conferences and telling people trump is still the real president, saying the military would call trump for military codes and trump is still president lin wood says, and biden is an understudy or after. it's nine pro trump conspiracy theory lawyers, all talking today. the judge is asking whether they should be punished by the court for the, laugh out loud, lawsuit they brought last november saying michigan should be forced to give its electoral votes to donald trump, even though biden won the election there. this is the same judge who dismissed the lawsuit several months ago, and a ruling so hot it could peel the wallpaper off
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of any room you put it in, but after that judge tossed the lawsuit, the state of michigan went back to the judge and basically said that having a lawsuit dismissed -- enough in this case. the behavior of the lawyers in this case was so egregious, it required something else. michigan filed a motion asking the court to sanction the pro trump lawyers who brought that case. they argued quote, plaintive claims of fraud in michigan's election one supported by any credible evidence, and their legal claims were without merit. plaintiffs cancels knew or should have known this to be the case.
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it's the state of michigan, and the city of detroit, that are asking now at the very least, the pro trump lawyers should be forced to pay the states legal fees in this case. but the judge in this case could also decide to recommend that they be barred from practicing law in her district in michigan or she could even refer them for disbarment entirely. rudy giuliani's law license is already been suspended in new york in d.c. for his pushing the false claims about the election in court. today you saw linwood furiously trying to distance himself from the michigan lawsuit claiming in court today, that is name must have been put on it by mistake and he said he definitely never worked on any of that. another one of the lawyers today said she had barely been involved in a suit at all and maybe she spent a couple of hours working on and her lawyer said it was diminished involvement. not to mention the other trump lawyer who got choked up, an upset in court and cried arguing that she hadn't done
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anything wrong. based on what the judge in michigan had to say at today's hearing the trump lawyers said they may be in trouble. we don't have a full transcript because it was a more than six hour hearing, that's along, one were hoping to have won by tomorrow, but we do have some verbatim quotes from what happened in the courtroom. there is a responsibility that council has to say when you are submitting a sworn statement in support of your case, that you have reviewed it and done some minimal do dual gents. it and done some minimal do dual gents. and post office employees. this is how bloomberg news sum that up. quote, the affidavit was signed by a man who claimed he saw a young couple deliver several large plastic bags to a postal worker who he said appeared to be waiting for them. there were no markings on the bags or an indication of what
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was inside but. the witness said it was odd and that it, quote, could be ballads. this is the judges response. i don't think i've ever seen an affidavit that had so many lakes. this is really fantastical. my question to council here is, how can any of u.s. officers to the court present this type of affidavit? the judge pulled up another of the affidavits in which they said they believed they're changing votes. she believes that. the judge asked if any of the attorneys at this hearing ever ask this woman if she actually saw anyone changing votes. crickets. he just said, quote, with the record reflect that no one made the inquiry. sydney powell tried to order in court that the active collecting in submitting all of these affidavits to court was due diligence because the lawsuit was, quote, so massive and so detailed. the judge replied, quote,
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in federal court in michigan where trump attorneys, pro trump attorneys brought one of the post election lawsuits are facing potential sanctions former federal judge for their involvement in that case. a lawyer for the city of detroit made this is part of his closing argument. he said, our motion for sanctions was filed on january 5th. one day before the insurrection. we argued, as part of our brief, quote, by undermining people's faith in the democratic process and trust in our government, this lawsuit is being used to de-legitimize the presidency of joe biden. they argued that in their motion for sanctions january
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5th. david think said, quote, one day later that side prophesy came true. so a great extent many americans came to believe the big lie that joe biden is not the duly elected president of the united states. because of those, lies people died on january 6th and the world came to doubt the strength of our american democratic institutions. fink continued, quote, nothing can undo what happened on january 6th but this court can do something to let the world know that attorneys in this country are not free to use the courts to tell lies. today, we ask the court to issue the strongest possible sanctions against every one of these attorneys. the taxpayers should not have to bear the burden of the cost of this litigation so these attorneys should pay the fees resulting from their abuse of the legal system. secondly, these attorneys should be punished for their behavior. third, a strong sanction would serve as a deterrent for other attorneys and forth, these attorneys should never again be allowed to appear in a court in our jurisdiction or frankly
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anywhere else. they have this on our profession. it's not enough to sanction them with monetary penalties. we asked the court to refer each of these to their respective state bar associations for appropriate discipline. joining us now is david fink, he is the attorney for the city of detroit as these pro trump lawyers face potential sanction for the court. thank you for your time, i know it's been a very long and very busy day. >> mostly, it's been a productive day. >> well tell me about your aims here. obviously these lawyers did not succeed and what they extensively were trying to do which is to get the state of michigan to overthrow the election results to proclaim their electors to trump instead of biden. the judge threw that out handily, not long after they filed it. what made you, what made the city of detroit, this side that was not enough? that they should face sanctions for bringing the suit in the first place? >> well, if this case had actually stuck on december 7th,
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maybe we wouldn't have come for sanctions. but it isn't quite accurate to say that these lawyers didn't get what they were trying to get or complicit they are trying to accomplish. any lawyer looking at the facts and law in this case would have to come away understanding that there was no way they were going to win the case. it was not possible from the beginning. so it served a different purpose. and what was that purpose? it appears pretty strongly that the purpose was something they have accomplished. one, of course, they wanted to raise money which they did. but to, and much more importantly, they wanted to undermine joe biden's presidency. they wanted to undermine faith in our democracy. and they succeeded there. and if they're not held accountable, this will happen again. and that is what this is about. it's about accountability.
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and frankly it's about stopping these lawyers from ever coming back to a courtroom to play these kind of very very dangerous games. >> there were two things that surprised me in today's proceeding. first of all, surprised by the life of this proceedings. substantive i'm looking forward to seeing the full transcript. it surprised me to see several of the lawyers representing trump's interest try to distance themselves from their involvement in this and say oh that wasn't really me. i only did a little bit of work on that, my name shouldn't have been on in the first place. i wanted to know if that surprised you. i also wanted to know if it surprise you that one of the trump lawyers seems to have broken the rules under which the court proceeding was held today when he broadcast a portion of it. he posted online a portion of it that had apparently been taken from somebody's telegram channels. that was very much against the rules of how this proceeding was held. >> i'd like to say i'm surprised by what lin wood did this evening when he broadcast,
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in direct contradiction of the courts order. i can't really be surprised because he is consistently flaunted the rules of our court. he has consistently failed to follow any of the rules and our court. he had never even gotten himself admitted. and now, today, he claims he had nothing to do with this lawsuit. on the other hand, went to delaware court was considering rescinding his permission to continue to practice in that court, his lawyer brag to the court in delaware about his participation in the michigan case. everyone is running from it. the people who signed the pleadings say that they're not responsible because they didn't draft the pleadings and the people who drafted the pleadings say that they're not responsible because they didn't sign the pleadings. somebody is responsible and the answer is all nine of them are
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because every one of these attorneys use their park hard, the privilege to practice law, that's how lies and spread lies and persuade millions of americans of the big lie that joe biden was not duly elected. of course he was. and everything in this lawsuit was nonsense and they have to pay a price for it. >> david fink attorney for the great city of detroit. thank you so much for helping us understand what happened today. we'll continue to follow these proceedings closely. thanks for your perspective. >> thank you for hearing me out. >> we'll be right back, stay with us. with us. try one a day 50+ multivitamin gummies. with vitamins c, d & zinc for immunity support. plus 8 b-vitamins for brain support. one a day and done.
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tonight. but in terms of tomorrow's news, we're gonna be watching charles emmanuel sanon for president biden's big speech on voting rights. tomorrow afternoon around 3 pm eastern time. this is a message from president biden that was already going to be urgent and fraught. even before, more than 50 texas democratic legislators fled the state of texas tonight to try to save voting rights in their state. those texas democrats that we spoke to at the start of this hour, they're gonna be on capitol hill pleading for federal help starting early tomorrow. the president will be speaking on voting rights at three. it should be a big news day tomorrow. i will see you here again tomorrow night. but now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> rachel, our first guest tonight will be representative gina hinojosa. who, on this program last week, gave us a little bit of a hint.


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