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♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. a showdown in texas over that state's voting restriction law in the wake of zero evidence of systemic fraud in texas is putting more pressure on the white house as the president prepares to deliver remarks on voting rights tomorrow. nothing less than biden's full-throated support for blowing up the filibuster if that's what it takes to pass federal voting rights legislation is sought by democratic activists. if biden fails to call for extraordinary measures to protect the right to vote, beto o'rourke warns that's happening in texas will become the new normal in texas, florida and georgia as well. >> whatever you see on paper today is likely going to become much worse as it goes into conference committee and other provisions are added to it.
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we need to stop this evident to change our elections now before it goes further. ultimately we need the united states senate to act. having federal intervention to protect the right to vote. >> the new york times is reporting that the president is expected to step up his public profile on the issue of voting rights. the times is signaling it may at this point simply be window dressing. they report, quote, president biden is expected to put his political muscle behind the issue in a speech in philadelphia tuesday. in congress, democratic senators have been unable to move voting and election bills that would address what many call a fundamental attack on american democracy that could lock in a new era of republican minority rule. in the courts attacks on voting restrictions face an increasingly hostile judiciary. there is extreme peril in the democratic party's frame on this
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issue. the democratic construct politically is pushing moderates to abandon the filibuster is more dicey than to allow voting restrictions. democrats are wrong. spend 5 minutes watching fox news and you will see that republicans aren't even pretending anymore these laws are really about election fraud or integrity. that's because lifelong republicans like chris krebs have said out loud on the record that 2020 was the most secure election in our country's history. bill barr looked high and low and did not find any evidence of widespread voter fraud. at this point democrats could be as complicit as republicans if they rely on the same tactics for a whole new war against gop legislation. beto o'rourke's call to action. >> an elections bill that is premised on a lie that there is widespread fraud in our elections even though there is
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none. a solution in search of a problem that's going to disproportionately hurt and harm some texans more than others. for those who support democracy, i encourage you to fight with all you have. do whatever it takes to make sure we preserve the right to vote in the state of texas. >> in texas at this hour, that fight is not over. it's being revived once again by democrats there. quote, at least 58 democratic members of the state house of representatives are expected to bolt from austin today in an effort to block the measures from advancing. a source familiar with their plans says the unusual move will paralyze the chamber, stopping business until the lawmakers return to town or until the session ends. the majority of the members plan to fly to washington, d.c. on two private jets chartered for the occasion and use the time there to rally support for federal voting legislation. the texas democrats fighting back in the face of republicans very successful voter suppression drive is where we
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start again today. michael steel is here. also joining us the "new york times" domestic correspondent and former democratic senator claire mccaskill. nick, i know you've been reporting out this move by texas legislators. let me play somebody who's been on this program a couple of times now. this is state representative crockett on the way to the airport. >> so you know the goal is to apply more pressure this time. we move the needle last time and it wasn't the entire delegation. we should have the majority of the delegation there in d.c. with us. so the goal is going to be to say, listen, we have done everything that we could. we're having to leave our families now for almost the entire 30 days to avoid dealing with this.
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we're having to live outside of the state just to avoid law enforcement being able to get us. so we need y'all to do your part. >> so, nick, tell me the latest on this story. do they have enough democrats who have fled the state and have they all committed to staying outside of the state until the session ends? >> yeah. as we speak, we're probably a few minutes away from them actually departing texas. they haven't done so yet, but there are about 60 house members, all from the democratic caucus who are about to take off and leave. that would be enough over the 51 threshold to prevent a quorum and prevent the state house and the legislature from progressing on any laws. now there were a few other laws. there was one looking to restrict transgender student athletes. there was one looking to take action against social media,
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perceived censorship. the main reason they're leaving is because of this voting bill. over the weekend there were marathon hearings where the public came almost universally against these bills. they went overnight, hundreds of people from texas came to speak out against these bills. they're almost the same bills that were brought up earlier this year in may. what you saw was efforts to both restrict new voting that had been brought out in 2020 to allow for drive through voting and 24-hour voting. those are going to be banned. and then broader restrictions to adding new voter id requirements to voting by mail and expand the authority and autonomy of partisan poll watchers. democrats saw the same thing come at them despite their pleas and pledges to bring amendments, it looked like this was going to be swiftly marched through the state legislature, so this appeared to be the last option that house democrats thought they had.
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>> michael steel, let me play you more of state representative jasmine crockett. this is what she's asking washington democrats, the president and the democratic-controlled united states senate to do. >> i want him to hear our cries and hear how significant this is and how much we need him. so for me, it's going to be more so of an ask for him to push as hard as he can. this filibuster -- we have to do away with it, because once again, it's republicans being allowed to be obstructionists. >> this is now at president biden's doorstep. what do you make of this newly-aggressive move by texas democrats refusing to take this? >> will that aggression be a contagion within the democratic party. you'd be in a very different
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space right now. look, i understand the politics probably too well in many respects. what i don't understand is why there doesn't seem to be a response to minority rule. mitch mcconnell is acting as if he is still the speaker of the majority leader of the senate. kevin mccarthy and the republicans in the house feel that they've got the margin is close enough that, you know, he can de facto gum the works up there. use the system against itself. that's what these legislators are doing in texas. they are saying, okay, we are willing to get on the road and fly to another part of the country to press the case for voting rights. so if i'm the biden administration at this point, what i have to take from that in this speech tomorrow is a
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declaration to engage the republicans on that ground and tell the american people why nothing else -- there's not another legislative bill in the house or the senate that can get passed and has the kind of support of the american people if you don't fundamentally deal with the right to vote. because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you pass an infrastructure bill, it doesn't matter if you pass all these other bills, because back at home, right, those citizens are watching their constitutional right, not your constitutional right to have a pothole filled, but your constitutional right to have a vote stripped away systemically by the minority party. you're either going to step up and shut that down or you're not. that's what the texas democratic legislators are saying right now by this move to washington is y'all need to shut this down now, we're doing our part.
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>> claire, you've been really clear on this show that there's nothing that will force the democrats to abandon the filibuster because it's more than joe manchin and kirsten cinema who like it. joe manchin and kyrsten sinema won't win again. do you think the democrats are changing the landscape at all on which the filibuster fight is being waged? >> let's just assume it is just joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. the question is can joe biden change their minds? i guarantee you there have been conversations. i don't think their minds have been changed. you know, you can look at this another way, nicole, and i know this is painful for people to hear, but the minority in texas is using a procedure to block what they're trying to do in
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texas, just as the minority in the senate is using the procedure to try to block what the democrats are trying to do in washington, except it's a much closer body in washington. it's 50/50. so you got to have everybody on the wagon. and we don't right now. do i wish we did for filibuster reform and particularly for protecting voting rights? but the other thing we've got to talk about and maybe you're planning on bringing this up next is the supreme court. this decision on july 1st was awful for voting rights. the supreme court said loudly and clearly that the federal government really doesn't have any ability under the constitution to stop these laws in these individual states. so we've got even a bigger problem than just joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, we've got a bunch of folks on the supreme court who are no longer friendly
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to voting rights enforcement in this country. >> nick, this is something you and i talked about the day that decision came down. it makes the we'll just let mark elias fight it strategy almost moot. i think the georgia case is the one state law that merrick garland has involved himself in. in the wake of the supreme court decision, i think what claire is saying is those legal challenges become all the more difficult. doesn't that argue even further for federal legislation? >> i think that's certainly what you're hearing from some voting rights groups and civil rights groups who have been meeting with the white house at the staff level, meeting with vice president harris. they view this as a truly existential threat and even if the supreme court did make it harder for both states and the doj to sue and to knock down
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restrictive voting legislation and signal to congress as well that if you do pass voting legislation at the federal level, you know, it's going to probably have to come through us as well, that doesn't matter because the immediacy of the fight and the impact here is kind of what they're saying. they're saying we need federal voting legislation now that can help protect the right to vote now in the upcoming elections and then you can have a fight at the supreme court when that time comes. it kind of fits with how they viewed restrictive voting laws around the country. georgia was the first major battleground state to pass a massive overhaul of their electoral process. lawsuits came almost immediately. throughout history those voting rights lawsuits take years to finish and to work their way through courts until there's a resolution for or against a certain bill. they were already looking at at
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least a midterm election where there would be new voting laws, where voters would face greater barriers to access their ballot where there could be new partisan power grabs. the immediacy of everything at least from the voting rights and civil rights group perspective means they need this action now. the court is certainly something you have to think about, but it's not the first thing. >> nick, you flagged some reporting by the great journalists at the atlanta journal constitution about the deliberate way these laws were crafted to disproportionately harm democratic voters and places where there was zero fraud. so there is no integrity rationale on which any of these laws stands, certainly not the texas law which is shutting down drop boxes in harris county where there's no reports of fraud, and certainly not the georgia law, where they're shutting down some of the ways that democratic voters and minority voters disproportionately voted in
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2020. 56% of absentee voters in cobb, dekalb and gwinnett counties returned their ballots in drop boxes. until now, the number of voters who returned their absentee ballots in drop boxes rather than the mail wasn't known. the state's new voting law passed by the republican majority limits the availability of those boxes in all future elections. here's an explanation of why republicans said they wanted to limit the boxes. quote, while there's no indication of tampering with drop boxes in georgia, he said he was concerned that outdoor drop boxes were vulnerable to arson. there is no voter fraud problem that isn't addressed by the criminal codes fa federally and most states. what is sort of the engine behind all these republican
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laws? >> it's certainly at least a big part of it is the kind of obsession of former president trump with the 2020 election and his false claims and the big lie that the election was stolen from him. you can look at every one of these bills that has come through texas, georgia and florida and they make an allusion to fraud and then in the hearings -- we can use texas as the most recent example -- a top official in the secretary of state's office in texas who was in charge of running elections testified that there was no significant instances of fraud that would have changed any of the elections whatsoever. yet, at the top of all these bills they cite fraud. even in justice alito's opinion in the supreme court he cites fraud. there's this kind of disconnect between the reality in the country that fraud is extremely rare and this obsession fuelled mostly by former president trump and his allies that fraud was the reason he lost the election. so i think that kind of
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consistency and its persistence in his statements and at cpac and new candidates' campaign ads has just become core to the republican base. that's that engine that's going to keep pushing these laws as we go forward. >> michael steel, the engine also drove a deadly insurrection at the united states capitol undergirds multiple domestic violence extremism warnings, but let's go ahead and change the laws in 48 states. you have a solution. compromises are by their nature difficult to reach, but instead of considering the negotiations of the for the people act as a loss, let's look at manchin's bill as a good start and build on it. republicans have made the nonsensical argument that manchin's bill is the stacey abrams substitute. a stacey abrams substitute is a
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good thing for anyone who values compromise in the service of getting things done for america. where are you on the optimism scale that what you argue will come to pass? >> i have to be optimistic because the other side of it is just damned ugly. it is antithetical to what you and i, you know, grew up inside a republican party believing and certainly belief for our country. the fact that you have mcconnell and others going after stacey abrams tells you how vapidly silly their arguments are. stacey abrams could have easily said, oh hell no, we're not doing this compromise. this doesn't go along with any of the progressive voting legislation that we want. but she stood in the town square, if you will, with the american people to say, yeah, okay, i get it, this is about our voting rights and changing
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the system and making it better. so republicans aren't about that. i think we know that now very clearly. so what it's going to require is the rest of us. what citizens are joining those legislators who come into town this week? what efforts are occurring in state capitols around the country to press on state legislators that the american people don't want this change? because wake up, folks. there's no fraud in the 2020 election. what the hell do you think is going to happen in 22 and 24? that's what the big setup is. that's what this setup is all about. so the stcey abrams, the joe manchins, the liz cheneys, they're trying to course correct before we get there so we don't have to confront real fraud when republican legislators decide, you know what, i'm sorry, democratic candidate, you did
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not win that district because there was fraud. or democratic nominee for president, sorry you didn't win the presidential so we're just going to make sure when it gets to congress the vote doesn't go the way you want. that's what this is about. >> claire, you sound pessimistic that anything can happen legislatively. if i'm wrong, set me straight. what would you do if you were still in the chamber? >> well, i'd be talking to my republican colleagues and calling them out. the fraud is the fig leaf. it's just silly. what this really is about is what the republican party has become. not only is it beholden to the other guy, who was a disaster as a president and lied every day like other people brush their teeth, but more importantly they now stand just for this. they don't stand for free trade. they just stand for not letting
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people vote that maybe won't vote for them, primarily poor black and brown voters that they don't want to vote. that's what this is all about. they don't want those people to vote. that's what the republican party stands for now. i just think there are enough republicans from states where they would be in danger, because they have to get those independent voters, that i would be really working on the manchin compromise and trying to see if we couldn't drag at least enough across to vote for a cloture motion that would send a signal to mitch mcconnell that his troops are not united. >> claire, do you understand why democratic activists are so frustrated that senate democrats who were in the majority are acting like they're in the minority. i hear every day from democrats
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around the country in texas, in georgia, in michigan, in pennsylvania that democrats in the united states senate are not acting like they're in the majority. >> i couldn't agree more. but next year there are going to be hard-fought elections in states that are not bright blue that will control the majority of the united states senate. so whatever we pass, if we blow up the filibuster, which i'm not against -- i don't want anybody to think i'm against it. but if we blow it up and pass voting rights, guess what happens if republicans win next year? they put it right back. they do something even worse and let's defund planned parenthood and make sure there are other things that go on that we have fought as a minority when republicans were in charge to keep them from doing. in having been there and felt the pain of what the republicans were trying to push through and enjoying the ability to stop
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them, that's what sometimes i worry about, that we would lose the elections next year and then we'd be in a whole world of hurt. >> i would just pause it that i think republicans will probably do those things anyway because there's nothing they don't pervert in the name of power. >> wait. they can't do it unless the filibuster is blown up. you're saying they would blow up the filibuster if they get the majority and we don't. >> claire, there's no norm they've adhered to. the republicans are going to blow it up anyway. it's just you save the right to vote. >> i think they've got the same problem having talked to these republican senators, they've got the same problem on their side that we have on our side, just so you know. they've got republicans that do not want to blow up the filibuster and i don't think mitch mcconnell could get them to do it, i really don't. >> they're all going to be replaced by the likes of jd
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vance. >> with all due respect to my friend claire mccaskill, i talked to some of those republicans too. when mitch mcconnell makes the party call as we've seen him do or far more important issues than the filibuster, trust me, they will fall in line, because over their shoulder, even though they've gotten past their election, look how many republican senators got past their election in 2000, graham, right? stayed in line. this is more about the party call and the requirements that the party is putting on them than what their constituents want and damn sure what the country needs. this idea in the democratic camp that if we don't touch this, maybe they won't, keep thinking that, because mitch mcconnell needs that filibuster to get his will done, he'll blow it up in a heartbeat. if you don't understand that politics, well, here we are.
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>> i feel like nick has had to watch like one of my greek family holiday dinners. i'm sorry for this, nick. you'll be throwing bread around with the rest of us soon. nick, i'm going to put you on the spot and ask you to pop back in if you hear anything about the democrats in austin. when we come back, conservatives and members of the right wing media continuing to push anti-science and disinformation about the vaccines. that's as the virus spreads rampantly in areas with the lowest vaccination rates. plus, biden's white house urging local governments to spend more on police and crime prevention with an assist from eric adams. later in the show the expresident's dangerous lies about january 6th are ongoing. it was not a lovefest carried out by great people as he claimed just recently over the weekend. e claimed just recently over the weekend. we made usaa insurance
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it's absolute insanity. now, what president biden said, maybe he could have said it slightly differently, is, we're willing to come to your house to give you the vaccine. at no point was anybody saying they're going to break down your door and jam a vaccine in your arm despite your protests. this is outrage politics that is being played by my party and it's going to get americans killed. our party has been hijacked. it is on its way to the ground. for some people it's a fun right. we can put this outrageous stuff on twitter. yeah, i'm getting all these
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retweets and everybody knows me, i'm famous, but this plane is going to crash into the ground. if you're a republican voter, do not listen to people like marjorie taylor green. the vaccine is safe, covid is real. >> that was republican congressman adam kinzinger literally begging people to ignore his party and republicans. kinzinger was referring to the latest target in the right wing media's campaign against science and public health. a door-to-door program that's making the vaccine more readily available. marjorie taylor green again invoked nazis. her comments are just part of what has become an avalanche of disinformation about the government's vaccination efforts in recent days, beamed into millions of homes across the country and reaching some of the
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same people who would benefit the most from a dose of reality on the topic of covid vaccines. here's just some of what has aired on fox news. >> the biden administration is getting pretty scary. they're going to be knocking on your door and harassing you to get vaxxed. >> going door to door? this is creepy stuff. >> this is the biggest scandal of my lifetime by far. the idea that you would force people to take medicine they don't want or need, is there a precedent for that in our lifetimes? >> we're back with michael steele and claire mccaskill. claire, this is really impacting your former constituents. tell us what's going on. >> we have a crisis in missouri. people are dying. listening to the health care workers in the southwest corner of my state, it is the third largest city, springfield, missouri, but it is the medical center for a surrounding group of counties where the average vaccination rate hovers in the
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20s. and what is happening is their emergency rooms with being flooded with the delta variant. and all of the people who they are putting on ventilators, the people who are dying, the people who can't breathe and the young people they are treating, none of them have been vaccinated. and what does our governor do? our governor just looks the other way and refuses to even embrace the vaccination. i mean, the health care people in our state are tearing their hair out. it's heartbreaking to watch. it's unbelievable that people are dying and this governor wants to say, oh, they're going to knock on your door. well, they're asking for volunteers from the community, people to go knock on their doors of their church members, to tell the story of the safety of the vaccine and about saving lives. it is really heartbreaking to see what the republican party is
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doing with the health and lives of american citizens. >> michael steele, i always felt that the cultural rhetoric around being the pro life party was very shallow. this proves that is true. let me show you dr. fauci speaking plainly based on the data about the idealogical divide. >> we've got to put aside this idealogical difference or differences thinking that somebody's forcing you to do something. i really don't have a good explanation, jake, about why this is happening. i mean, it's idealogical rigidity, i think. there's no reason not to get vaccinated. why are we having red states and places in the south that are very highly idealogical in one way not wanting to get vaccinations? vaccinations have nothing to do with politics. it's a public health issue. >> and let me just put up some
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more data, facts, numbers, science for you. these are by county the vaccination rates as of july 6th. 46% of counties that voted for joe biden have been vaccinated, 35% of folks living in counties that voted for trump have been vaccinated, almost 12% difference. >> yeah. i think very much to both dr. fauci and claire's point, the reality of it is we're playing politics with the lives of our citizens. it starts with the leadership. if the leadership of our country at the beginning of covid had been serious, informed in a way that they accepted the information that was shared with them about this virus and pass that on honestly to the american people, we probably would be in a very different place right now. we look here in my state of
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maryland. we have a very popular republican governor here in this blue state, and yet over 90% of the deaths recently have been of those not vaccinated. the people who are saving lives and taking the precautions are working their way through covid. they're opening themselves and their businesses, they're going back outside to play, if you will. you have in that mix still citizens who follow the marjorie taylor green crazy, the trump stupid and all the other stuff related to how this vaccine that we just saw in the blips from fox, you know, is somehow now you're being forced to take a vaccine. no one's forcing you to take the vaccine. you're being asked to save your life and the lives of your family and your neighbors. so we have to keep pressing that
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point, nicole, despite the stupid and the ignorant and who are deliberately so. we have to take our argument to the american people more directly as the biden administration is saying, all right, we'll knock on your door and make it available. if you don't want it, okay, but it's here for you. those citizens who encounter that kind of good will and honesty and facts will say yes is my hope. >> i think anyone telling somebody not to take it should disclose whether or not they took it. >> that's a fair point. >> i think people should just say you can take tucker carlson and laura ingram's advice just for your own good, find out what they did, find out what their parents did. >> tucker, did you take the vaccine? laura, did you take the vaccine? if you did, why are you sitting on the air every night telling people, this is stupid.
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over the weekend a chilling discovery of weapons in a denver hotel room near the site of tomorrow's mlb all star game. it's adding to the urgency to try to get guns out of the wrong people's hands. denver police arrested four on friday seizing more than a dozen weapons and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition from their room. police say there's no active threat, but some of the suspects were prohibited from owning firearms. today president biden is addressing the recent rise in gun violence in a meeting with attorney general merrick garland and law enforcement officials from around the country. >> we know there are some things that work. the first of those that works is stemming the flow of firearms used to commit violent crimes. we recognize that we have to come together to fulfill the first responsibility to democracy and to keep each other safe. that's what the american people are looking for when it comes to reducing violent crime and gun violence. >> joining our conversation,
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michael sheer, michael steele and claire mccaskill are still here. talk about this issue and where it fits for a president who never let himself get tagged with any of the defund the police attacks that the ex-president launched against him. this seems personal and important and a priority to him. >> right. i mean, it's personal partly because of the long history that he has with this issue. this is a politician who long ago, decades ago in the senate was fighting gun issues and violence issues and was part of the assault weapons ban decades ago that first went into effect. but it's also personal because of the way he ran his campaign. while he didn't get dragged into the defund the police movement, he did promise to do something about crime. lo and behold here we are in this summer and there's a real insurgent crime. i think he's trying to find a way to sort of straddle the
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line, to sort of satisfy the liberals in his party who rightly in the view of joe biden and the white house want to do something about police reform and the abuses of members of the police, but who also wants to demonstrate to the broader public that he knows how to address and to contain these devastating, awful, horrific shootings which are just increasing. so he's trying to do both. i thought it was really interesting that he invited eric adams, who was the democrat who won in new york. this is what eric adams managed to do. he's a former police captain in new york, but he sort of managed to walk that line, you know, not anger the progressives too much but really run on a kind of tough on crime message. i think by association, the president hopes a little bit of that pixie dust will kind of rub off on him and that he'll manage
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to navigate the issue in the same way. >> claire, i want to read you some of katie rogers' reporting on the white house strategy. as the white house seeks to combat a surge in violence, the issue is ploitly freighted for biden. he declined calls to defund plea agreements after police shootings of african-americans. he's trying to straddle the intensity really all across the country and especially across his own party. do you think he's getting that balance right? >> certainly the vast majority of americans do not like the idea of defunding the police and joe biden gets that. and joe biden does have history here. when i was the elected prosecutor in kansas city in the '90s, joe biden was the one who was really steering the
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community policing act through congress. i saw firsthand when we had those additional resources from the federal government that allowed us to augment police departments with community police officers, officers assigned to a neighborhood who got to know the neighborhood leaders, who went to the neighborhood meetings and frankly recruited police cadets out of those communities to work in those communities, that's how you rebuild trust where the trust is badly frayed right now. joe biden, not only is he advocating that, he's saying use the resources we've provided for you, cities. you've got money in the bank from the recovery plan. use that money to augment your police departments with a community policing effort that can do both, bring down crime and help restore trust. >> michael steele, two minutes of local news coverage any city i watch local news in, new york
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city, connecticut and d.c. the lead stories are crime. it seems i think this is the second or third public event this president has had on this issue. it is what's happening, it is what's on people's mind, it is a policy priority. but it feels like this is sort of quintessential biden to be hanging onto something that cross pressures him in his own party a little bit. >> yeah. i like the way michael put that, because i think that's exactly how it is. there is a lot of cross current, you know, going on here. i guess at the center of it is this truth. this ain't 1994. so in the 1990s, the claire mccaskills and other prosecutors around the country with law enforcement, you know, had citizens who wanted something done and they were all on the sage page. so we saw that crime bill go through. and now we also know the consequences of that crime bill
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and how it impacted, how it land ed in a lot of communities. i can site you prince george's county and baltimore city. it wasn't quite the same in some neighborhoods. now with those cross currents coming again, you find the public in one space, prosecutors and law enforcement in different spaces. this president has got to try to navigate that. the best thing joe biden can do, because he's known for this, is to be honest about what he wants to get done, but more importantly, be honest about what can get done. because you're not going to satisfy all of those cross currents, because as the violence in whatever form it takes over the rest of this summer and into the fall, you've got to be prepared to give the people some sense that not only do you see that violence, but you have a way to begin to check it.
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they're going to watch very carefully this time, nicole. they're not going to let you put forward the kind of legislation that had the negative impact that we saw over the last 30 years when it came to crime bills and crime control. >> i got to jump in here real quickly. joe biden is not advocating, i am not advocating, no one is advocating for the '90s crime bill. i'm talking about a piece of that bill that dealt with community policing. that works, not the minimum mandatories -- rather, a community based approach. that's where joe biden is going to land. >> thank you so much for joining us. we'll all stay on it together. up next for us, the free britney movement taking a major step forward with the singer looking to bring on a former federal prosecutor to help her break free from her conservatorship. k free from her conservatorship.
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this week britney spears could gain a massive boost in her fight against her conservatorship. that's the legal arrangement of authority over her since 2006. it was petitioned by her dad, who had cited concerns about her mental health. last month a judge denied spears' emotional plea to release her father from his role as sole conservator. spear said she feels enslaved by his demands, that her conservators have denied her
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basic freedoms of choice and that the court-appointed lawyer representing her has made her ignorant about her options. today "the new york times" is reporting that a former federal prosecutor will begin the process on wednesday of taking over her legal fight to end the arrangement. from that new "times" reporting, quote, in recent days spears began having discussions with mathew rosengart, a former federal prosecutor who has represented several celebrities in recent years, about having him and his firm take every and push for an end to the conservatorship. that's according to a person briefed on the matter. if allowed by the court, spears' retaining of mr. rosengart would consider a drastic change in the case. joyce vance and mike schmidt joining us. michael schmidt, talk about two things, what kind of lawyers have been representing her and how drastic of a shift is it to
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have someone as a former federal prosecutor step in and take over her fight to end her conservatorship? >> so there's a feeling from the spears' side that she has not had an aggressive lawyer, a lawyer that came from a top-tier firm that could use all of the resources of that firm to aggressively represent her in trying to get out of the conservatorship. what she is seeking is she is seeking basically a high-end criminal defense lawyer, a lawyer that has a range of experience, a lawyer who has done litigation, a lawyer who has represented celebrities and a lawyer who is willing to take on the other side. her father's side is represented by another prominent firm, and this is a huge legal fight with a lot of money on the line, obviously a lot of questions about freedom and choice and, you know, someone's ability to make their own decisions about their own lives. that's what brought her to reach out to mathew rosengart. he is based in california.
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he's someone that has represented people like steven spielberg or julia louis-dreyfus and he is someone that has represented companies and he is someone that worked in the justice department. so that is where she finds herself as she tries to position for a much more aggressive posture in this fight. >> joyce vance, i have watched a little bit. i have seen "the new york times" documentary on the save britney movement. since i saw that i have read most of the articles about how this happened. but one thing i learned is that conservatorship don't end. sometimes they're used for people, sort of with end-of-life issues. what are the odds of success even with a finer, more skilled, more aggressive former federal prosecutor as her attorney? >> her chances of getting out from under the conservatorship or modifying its terms are much greater if she has a lawyer who is representing her interests. up to this point in time she
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hasn't been permitted to pick her own lawyer. she told the judge in this most recent hearing that she didn't even know she had the right to ask for a termination of the conservatorship. so fast forward to a moment where she's able to pick a lawyer of her own, someone who mike's reporting suggests is principled, is decent, but will vigorously represent his clients, and that entire landscape shifts to an area where spears can have a fair chance at getting her story heard by the court. nikole, i would make one last point here. it is appropriate to use a lawyer who has expertise in criminal law because it is so difficult for people to get out from conservatorship. they almost have to prove not their innocence in a criminal sense, but their innocence in the sense that they're no longer living with the conditions that led to the conservatorship in the first place. really, the individual who lands in this situation is very much behind the eight ball. they are matters of state law
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and california's procedures are very opaque. so bringing a good lawyer to the table equalizes the playing field for her. >> so, mike, again, i'm not a whiz in any of these issues, but one of the things i have learned from brushing up is she has -- the conservatorship required her to take birth control, requires her to work. does this new lawyer plan to countersue? will his move seek to perhaps criminalize the treatment under the conservatorship? >> i think my sense from this is all of the options are on the table in terms of how aggressive they're going to be. they're going to seek to end the conservatorship. they're going to seek to raise questions about spears's father, what was his fitness, how was it he got to choose and got to have such a role and such a prominence in this, and why was it that that power was given to him by the court and how did that happen and were her rights, her due process rights, her
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basic fundamental rights under the constitution, were they violated by this? so there's a range of things that they're going to look at as they begin this new aggressive posture. >> we are lucky to have both of you explaining it to us as we go. joyce vance and mike schmidt, thank you for spending time with us on this story. the next hour of "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. we are just getting started. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches! wait, what? said she's gonna need crutches. she fell pretty hard. you might want to clean that up, girl. excuse us. when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you built with customizable coverage. -and i'm gonna -- -eh, eh, eh. -donny, no. -oh. hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find better cheers with your favorite fans. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear,
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♪ ♪ what makes you think the nightmare with donald trump and his law making and violent mobs is over? if we let him get away with it and then it comes to your state capital, when it comes back here again, what are we going to say? >> he poses a continuing threat to our nation, to the integrity of our elections and to our democratic order. >> i will do everything i can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the oval office. we have seen the danger that he
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continues to provoke with his language. >> hi again, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. so the danger, the rhetoric that democrats and liz cheney spoke of there, the rhetoric they've been warning about for months now, was on full display this weekend as the disgraced ex-president took the stage at cpac. that's the conservative political action conference in dallas. in a speech that lasted one-and-a-half hours, trump repeatedly claimed he won the 2020 election. fact check, he did not win. he cited evidence there was voter fraud in states he lost like georgia. fact check, there was not. trump's disinformation about the election has become so egregious that his own favorite network, fox news, had to put a disclaimer on the screen while he talked about how many votes he received. fox's chiron, their woords underneath, stayed up 35 seconds and read, quote, voting system companies have denied the various allegations made by trump and his counsel regarding the 2020 election.
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the network has been sued by two voting systems companies in recent months for defamation. even after guests and anchors on the network spread the conspiracy theory that voting machines were rigged in favor of biden. while the network wanted to protect itself against further legal liability, its broadcasting of lies around the deadly insurrection still knows no bounds. hours before his cpac speech, trump was interviewed on fox where he was warmly embraced, where he warmly embraced the hundreds of rioters who stormed the capitol. trump called them, quote, great people and described ashli babbit, the insurrectionist who was shot by police while trying to get through a broken door to reach the lawmakers, an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman. the lies trump spread this weekend are exactly the type of lies and language that prosecutors are now citing in court filings to detain accused rioters. we saw this in a court filing against insurrectionist alex harkrider on friday.
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quote. former president trump continues to make false claims about the election, insinuate that he may be reinstalled in the near future as president without another election, and minimize the violent attack on the capitol. television networks continue to carry and report on those claims with some actually giving credence to the false reporting. the defendant in this case is not a good candidate to be out in the community without electronic monitoring to ensure the safety of the community and the safety of democracy in the current environment. there's also the ongoing heightened threat of domestic extremism from these lies, from the still active terrorism advisory bulletin put out by the department of homeland security that says this. ideologically-motivated violent extremists fuelled by perceived grievances, false narratives and con priors theories continue to share information online with the intent to incite violence. in pennsylvania a republican state senator is requesting
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ballots, voting machines, computer logs and more to do a forensic audit of the election result there like the one underway in maricopa county, arizona. a little over a week ago we saw white supremacists march in philadelphia chanting, reclaim america and the election was stolen in matching outfits. the ongoing threat from the ex-president's lies is where we start this hour with pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro. so i know you took in this weekend's news. tell me what you think and if you have any increased concerns about sort of the force behind what trump's allies in the state senate there want to do. >> well, i have always been concerned about the words, including the words that were used at, you know, cpac this weekend, that those words can lead to real dangers in our communities. it was just a week or so ago we had white supremacists marching through the city of philadelphia spewing the same lies that donald trump and his enablers
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spewed. there's a real danger to these words, and you can draw a straight line between the big lie, between this rhetoric and the lawsuits that we beat back in pennsylvania, the ongoing efforts to disenfranchise voters, especially our black and brown voters here in pennsylvania, the violent insurrection on january 6th. you can draw a direct line between that. this is serious stuff. it is dangerous, and i want to caution everybody, do not, do not think that these people who are speaking at cpac and these people who are showing up in your twitter feed are just bananas or goofy or crazy. these are seriously dangerous figures with real power in the modern-day republican party. >> and some of their power is derived from their public offices. mr. -- state senator doug mastriono who has designs on running for governor is
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spearheading an attempt to have an arizona-style audit there. in the past you said he would have to go through you. can you tell us where his efforts stand and if you are confidentiality you can thwart them. >> the state commissioner issued a demand letter to three counties in pennsylvania requesting the private voting information of 997,000 pennsylvania voters. if these counties were to comply and turn over all of the materials that the state senator has demanded, that would cost the taxpayers just in those three counties up to $30 million in equipment that they would have to replace. the secretary of state, the governor and myself have all urged these counties not to comply, and there's no evidence that they are willing to comply with the state senator's demand. understand that he is one of the biggest purveyors of the big lie, and he does it at the behest of donald trump, not to try to learn any information. what we know is we had a safe, secure, free and fair election here in pennsylvania that has
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been audited twice already, that joe biden won by about 80,000 votes. >> is there any appropriate role for the federal -- for the department of justice in helping to thwart a third, as you said there have already been two audits of that vote count? is there any role in not handing over the ballots to him in the way that -- i mean the arizona ballots, i think, are on a multi-state tour now. >> understand that if the senator were to move forward and try to, say, subpoena these materials, i expect that there would be significant litigation here in pennsylvania and, again, i have been to court 42 times now to defend the right to vote and the will of the people in pennsylvania. we have won every single time we have been challenged by donald trump and his enablers. we will win again. your question more broadly, is there a role for the department of justice, absolutely. it is one of the reasons why i've been pleased to see them
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begin to speak out on these issues. i'm thrilled that the president of the united states is coming to philadelphia, the city of brotherly love and sisterly affection, tomorrow to speak about these issues. this is the most important issue we face, and that is protecting our democracy. the challenges that we face in pennsylvania from infrastructure to education, none of these issues can be addressed if lawmakers are diverting their attention to try to destroy our democracy, and the people's will won't be heard if they don't have the ability to choose their own leaders. what the republicans in pennsylvania are trying to do right now is take away their ability to have free and fair elections, to elect the leaders that they want. >> well, they're winning. i mean there are 389 laws making their way through 48 states. the only one that's been stalled or slowed is texas's law, not because democrats will ultimately prevail but because they keep leaving. they're on a plane from austin
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on their way to washington to, again, deprive governor abbott of a quorum there so a bill can pass through for him to sign. the truth is as malevolent as it is, the republican push to enact voter suppression laws predicated on a law also includes voter nullification laws. we have talked about this, laws that would remove the likes of brad raffensperger from the decisionmaking tree. without voting rights legislation, how do you protect? how do you guard the will of the people in the commonwealth? >> it is clear that washington is not going to get the job done, and this issue is being left to the states. i would just respectfully push back slightly on what you said. they're not winning here in pennsylvania. they're not winning because we beat them in court and they're not winning because we have a democratic governor who will veto any of these bills if it reaches his desk. we must keep that veto pen in the governor's office to beat back these attempts to try to change the rules. understand, these republicans at the behest of donald trump keep trying to change the rules to
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make it harder for certain people's voices to be heard in our democracy, to try to rig the system in favor of them and their buddies. that is not something as the attorney general of pennsylvania i will allow. it is not something that the governor will allow. while they may be scoring some victories in certain states like georgia, they're not going to win here in pennsylvania. what is clear though is that the action is in the states. the need to defend our democracy is all across the country, but it is happening in state capitals with actors like governors, state lawmakers and attorneys general. >> i welcome the pushback. i am glad that pennsylvania is a bright spot, and i thank you. pennsylvania's attorney general, josh shapiro. thank you for spending some time with us today. joining our conversation, eddie glaude, chairman of the department of african-american studies at princeton studies and charlie psyches, editor at large at "the bulwark." both msnbc contributors. eddie, i will start with you. it is an important point and a
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good correction. these laws are not going to pass in every state because some of them are controlled by republican governors who can veto them. where that bulwark does not exist, they are being enacted and passed into law. >> right. from arizona to missouri to nebraska to georgia. i mean we could tell -- to texas. we see this happening. it is a concerted effort. it is an all-out effort on the part of the republican party. i think what you have been saying over the course of these many weeks, nikole, you have been sounding the alarm, you have been trying to tell folk that we are in serious danger, that democracy is in serious danger. i think it is time for president biden to go on the offensive. i think he needs to give a speech about not the state of the union but the state of american democracy from the oval office, to set the terms of the debate, to bring the fight to these people, because the stakes are that high. we keep seeing democrats on their heels while republicans are attacking at every front, on every front.
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it seems to me, given what we have described, what you have described, what we know, democrats have to go aggressive, and if they don't we need to start asking questions why. >> okay. i want to throw out everything i was going to ask you guys. let's talk about this. what does that look like and sound like, charlie sykes? >> well, one of the things that the democrats have to do is they have to begin to confront this narrative as well as the legal push. there's no question the legal push is central, but, you know, when you put together what donald trump and the republicans are doing, it shows the way in which they continue to rewrite history and setting up what might happen in the future. i mean two things happened. you had donald trump who is now embracing ashli babbit as martyr, that narrative. every revolution needs a martyr and he wants to talk about her. he doesn't want to talk about roseanne boylan who was crushed to death, he doesn't want to talk about brian sicknick. he is trying to rewrite the
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january 6th insurrection as a patriotic uprising. that's number one. number two, the exporting of the arizona-style audit to places like pennsylvania need to be understood for what it is. he may not succeed. they may not actually get those audits, but that's not the point. they are planting the seed that the big lie was legitimate. they are spreading that. they are setting this up. they are raising money. they are keeping the base enflamed. so i do think that there needs to be an understanding of the way that the entire political world that we are seeing is shifting. if people just simply assume that people understand that donald trump was defeated, that the lie is a lie, if they assume that people understand how horrible and violent and dangerous january 6th is, understand that donald trump and much of the right wing media is rewriting that entire narrative,
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and that will shape the politics that we are going to be seeing in 2022 and in 2024. so that's sort of the overview while these legal fights are going on. so even though, as the attorney general says, they're winning in court right now, keep in mind that trump is -- i don't want to give him strategic credit because i think he has more, you know, sort of reptillian instinct here, but he is playing the long game, setting up that violence was legitimate, that it was patriotic and the elections are illegitimate. look, that is not just rewriting the past. it is setting the stage for the future. >> i'm going to disagree slightly, eddie, with my friend. donald trump doesn't play a long game. he is playing like a 90-second game. >> yeah. >> but he is playing a game, and the game is to make himself look good right now so that no one says a dirty insurrectionist inciter can't be our nominee.
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his problem is right now its benefit is the long game though. because kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell's staggering complicity, that's the effect. i wonder -- i mean i have made this point, i have sounded the alarm and i have said this before. like bruce willis saw dead people, i see republican people and i see what they're doing. claire mccaskill said the argument for keeping the filibuster in place is that republicans will use it to do more harm. republicans are going to use it to do harm either way, whether the democrats blow it up or not. there is no norm republicans haven't annihilated in the era of trump. i wonder what you make of sort of the frame around the debate? >> well, i think you are absolutely right in this regard, that we need not assume that republicans are good-faith actors. my good friend claire keeps doing that, and the evidence suggests they're not. they're going to do anything and everything in order to hold on to power.
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that's the first thing. the second point i want to make is that trump has revealed that our problem isn't trump. >> right. >> that trump is just an after after -- avatar for something that cuts deeper. >> right. >> part of what we have to do is understand there are elements within the country that are committed to a view of the country that in some ways aren't consonant with democracy as such. so unless we understand -- and i think charlie is absolutely right in terms of the narrative frame, that democrats have to begin to understand that if we don't change the ground within which we are having this argument they're going to lose. they're going to lose for a couple of reasons, nikole, really quickly. one, if they don't fight those activists, the base of the party that came out, they are going -- there is a question about whether or not they will turn out. one, because republicans are rigging, they're narrowing the election. and, two, because democrats aren't delivering. you can't say to those folk, you need to vote more of us in when, in fact, they don't seem to view
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democrats right now fighting. so we need to change the narrative and we need to fight, and i think those things have to happen right now and they begin with the bully pulpit of the presidency. joe biden has to take this fight to mcconnell. he has to take this fight to mccarthy. he has to take this fight to donald trump. we cannot simply dismiss these folks as kooks. democracy is at stake. >> charlie, when eddie started talking, you and i both went "right." i want you to speak to something tactical because i feel democrats have the wrong frame around republicans. they're fighting like democrats when republicans are fighting like animals in this war to disenfranchise. they're not listening to the evidence. you have democrats in georgia saying that the bill to suppress the vote is predicated on a lie. they're not -- and i mean they're not taking reason into account. they have their eyes on the prize. they're the tiger and they see the steak and they're just running toward the steak, and
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the steak is to pass the voter restrictions in 489 of them. it is frankly impressive, their focus. >> right. >> abbott, what the democrats in texas are doing is heroic, but abbott will ultimately prevail. what the democrats i think are doing is buying time. they're doing what eddie is doing, they're changing the landscape, but republicans are sort of at this point the apex predator charging toward the steak, and at every instance they have the wind of the supreme court at their back, they've got these laws passed in 22 states. they've got a democratic party more committed to the filibuster than protecting voting rights. i don't see the republicans hitting a speed bump any time soon. >> well, you may be right, and we talked about this last week. i mean about the asymmetry, that there seems to be much more urgency and passion on the republican side, but, again, that's why the president has to use the bully pulpit. that's why he has to talk about
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january 6th. that's why he's got to talk about democracy, not in terms of the details. i guess this is where we go back to the narrative framing here, because here is the possible speed bump. that the republicans are basing their strategy on a lie and a lie will confront the truth at some point even though it is disadvantaged at this point. what i think the president has to say is, look, if we continue down this path, no election will be regarded as legitimate. your vote will never be respected, and we will cease to be a country that operates the way that you and i grew up in. now, that's important for him to say. he needs to talk about the role of political violence and what happened. he needs to use graphic language about what was done to police officers. he needs to challenge the republicans on their complete flip-flop on police violence. you notice how they dropped blue lives matter unless they're jack booted thugs who shot and killed ashli babbit who was merely trying to hang mike pence.
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you know, think about the horror of all of that. so if there's a speed bump it is going to be reality and it is going to be a latent sense of fundamental decency among people who value democracy. i hope that that has not been lost, that we are still americans. we still want to know -- we still want to pick our leaders and we want to believe that that choice will be respected, and we still can see the pictures of what happened on january 6th. donald trump can say that it was a love fest all he wants, but those pictures are out there and i think that people like joe biden, the president, needs to emphasize that as strongly as possible, that we are not a country that beats up police officers and that attacks our constitution and that defies the democratic results. that may be -- >> i think you're right. >> -- the speed bump. >> no, i will take my apex predator analogy one step further.
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i think democrats who have the white house, who have control of the senate, who have control of the house, should act like they are the apex predators. they are in power. they're in control and they're acting like the zebras. someone watching too much discovery channel. eddie glaude is sticking around. when we return the twice disgraced ex-president was for the second time impeached for his role in inciting the capitol riot. what is the remedy now that he has given his full embrace six months later? we will ask one of the house impeachment managers next. plus, why so many people around donald trump can't or won't say no and what it tells us about the state of the new york district attorney's investigation into his business. a symbolic milestone in the fight for racial equality and a reminder of just how far we still have to travel. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. install energy-efficient windows? i can do that.
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donald trump told his supporters they are stealing the election, they took away your vote, it is rigged. that was not true. donald trump was trying to undermine our elections by taking votes away from the american people so that he could remain president, and he was willing to blame and betray anyone, anyone, even his own supporters if they got in the way. >> congresswoman madeline dean describing the disgraced president's conduct in the run
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up. describing the impeachment, the former guy continues to lead the gop. the vast majority of it anyway, all while continuing to peddle the same rhetoric that sparked and incited a deadly insurrection and got him impeached for the second time. "the washington post" was reporting on his keynote speech yesterday at cpac. former president donald trump ticked lu thinks grievances sunday as he spoke to a conservative gathering here. his media coverage is banned, but over and over again trump came back to one enduring complaint, his false claim that the 2020 election was stolen. joining us now, democratic congresswoman dean of pennsylvania. she, of course, served as an impeachment manager during trump's second impeachment trial, is a member of the yush committee and someone we have turned to on many days to talk to about the january 6th insurrection. i think the trump speech is relevant in the context of the
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radicalization of his party and his supporters and the current homeland security law enforcement bulletin on the books warning of domestic violent extremism connected to the lie about the election, and i wonder at this point what you do about that? >> well, thank you for having me, nicole. yes, the former guy's speech is relevant, but i know you struggle with this, how to make sure we balance it, that we don't give more and more oxygen to the set of lies that wound up with an insurrection, americans attacking americans. his speech is dangerous, it is sickening frankly, and even more troubling are all of those around him, elected leaders and now many in his base who are complicit in these lies. you know, we are elected officials. we are here to tell the truth to our constituents, and hopefully lift others. that's what the democrats are doing. so i want to be careful not to focus too much on a failed
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president who spoke nothing but lies for the four years that he was in office and continues to do that all the while stoking dangerous disinformation. >> i guess the safer place to land in terms of covering what is happening in sort of the complete abdication to do what you are describing to govern and lead is to cover the republican party. some of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle are of interest to the new select committee. let me show you, my colleague kasie hunt asked congressman bennie thompson about how they will sort of follow the facts if they lead them to current republican members. let's watch. we will talk on the other side. >> sir, if you find that members of congress did, in fact, aid members of this mob, this violent mob, either ahead of time or during, what is the remedy for that? what should happen to those members of congress?
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>> well, there are several remedies potentially. you could refer that information to the department of justice. you could refer it to our ethics committee, but i would hope, even though we come sometimes to this institution, the united states house of representatives, with different opinion, we should never foster the notion that just because i didn't get my way in an election it is time that we destroy the institution. so our goal with this committee is to preserve our democratic government as we see it now. >> just listening, you know, public facing commences but the stakes are nothing less than that to hold accountable and get to the bottom of this historic attack on our democracy. are you confident that it will
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succeed? >> i have great confidence in the select committee. i'm delighted with chairman bennie thompson. you know, sunlight is the greatest disinfectant, so let's shine sunlight on the facts of 1/6. this committee is armed and able to do that. we'll see if the republicans bother to populate the rest of the committee, but we will get to the facts and circumstances and, you know, let the chips fall where they may. why do you think mr. mccarthy is against everything having to do with looking into this? is it possible he is afraid of that which will expose him and many of his colleagues? you know, the democrats are here. it is important that we have the select committee, but i would love to talk about what we are actually doing. we passed the american rescue plan this week, july 15th will be the beginning of the expanded child tax credit, which is really a tax cut for working families that will be generationally transformative. in my own district on july 15th
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and then every 15th thereafter, 40% of children living in poverty in my district will be lifted out of that. that's what democrats are about. we're about building infrastructure, growing jobs, and, of course, doing the important oversight of, for god's name, an insurrection. i want to just tell you, nicolle, the day of the insurrection when i was in the holding room, for the first several hours we saw no tvs. we had no information who was in the building, how many were in the building on what was going around. i remember the buzz around insurrection. i literally looked up the word insurrection having never been in one before, having studied them in history, having read about them in other precarious countries. but i had to look it up. and then when i got to a tv i saw it was actually true. americans were attacking our democracy. they were killing people. they were beating police officers. all the while we have republicans who don't want to
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investigate it, don't want to fund the capitol police, don't want to move this country forward. >> i mean just going back to the day is so haunting, and it did not at the time of the attack have any partisan feel to it. i am open to the fact that it may turn out not to be the case, but there were harrowing images of democratic members of congress and republican members of congress, they all were under attack. i think the fact remains that as soon as the threat cleared, as soon as secret service rushed mike pence from the chamber, as soon as the insurrection was put down, hundreds of republicans, hundreds of your colleagues, voted to overturn the results of the election. i wonder if you worry that this anti-democratic commitment, this commitment to the lies and the disinformation is hard wired now? >> oh, i fear that it is. i'm very fearful for our country and for our democracy, for the very things you said in the setup, that we do know there is still online chatter and conversations. we need to fund our capitol
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police so that they can be as well-informed as possible and prepared. we don't think this is going away. we know that. i don't understand how people don't want to absolutely get to the bottom of it, fully fund capitol police, and move our country forward. this is frighteningly getting hard wired in some people. i participated in a lot of events around the 4th of july and engaged in one conversation. mostly it was all very positive conversations, but one conversation where people in my own area were continuing that disinformation. we owe it to our constituents to tell them the truth. it is very frightening that this is getting baked in. so all the more reason that we have to do everything in our power to grow our majority, frankly, to make sure that we have majority in the senate so we can start moving some of these things through like hr-1, like protecting our voting rights. the president is coming to philadelphia tomorrow and i will
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have a chance to be with him around the issue of voting rights. you have been talking about 48 states, 389 proposed pieces of legislation, and a supreme court that just stripped out more of the voting rights act. we have to do everything in our power to make sure that this president is successful and that democrats govern for the people and do everything we can to not condemn those who believe the lie but to try to educate those against the lie. >> well, if the timing works out i would love to touch base tomorrow after that speech and hear your review of it. congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you for spending time with us. when we return, the final days of the former guy's time in office and the top advisers who wouldn't or couldn't or didn't tell him no. that's next.
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we've been reporting on a stunning new book to be released tomorrow describing in detail the disgraced ex-president's final months, weeks and days of his time in the white house. the book's author, "wall street journal"ist michael bender, will be our guest here tomorrow. as excerpts have been released one thing is clear. not one of trump's advisers knew how to tell him no or tried or succeeded, despite knowing what he was doing was wrong, which ultimately ended in the insurrection at the capitol that took the lives of five people including ultimately the life of
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capitol police officer brian sicknick. in the words of george conway, the noted trump critic and husband of former trump adviser kellyanne conway, quote, this is going to be the story of the former guy's post presidency, endless revelations of how everyone around him knew he was an incompetent nut job and struggled to keep him from doing incompetent and nutty things while pretending publicly it wasn't incompetent and nutty. joining us now is tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion. tim, i feel you have given me the clearest window into how incompetent and nutty and small ball his business was, and that one of the central problems, the first big lie that he perpetuated on this country was that he was a successful businessman. some of his closest allies say he ran a family office without a computer and circled newspaper articles and sent them to news anchors. >> after sleeping very late into the morning and then having a short day in the office and then going and playing golf, which, lo and behold, was how he
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approached his presidency, nicolle. you know, to manage anything, whether it is a successful business or the presidency or your family or a relationship, you have to be dedicated to it and you have to be interested in good outcomes for people other than yourself. donald trump has never been surrounded by authentic advisers. the only people who last with him outside of family are enablers, and anybody in that white house who thought that at some point they were going to be able to push him in a direction he didn't want to go was fooling himself -- themselves. i think -- but the other thing to recognize is that people like bill barr and lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell also got things out of enabling donald trump. they got a massive tax cut. they got a more conservative court, and bill barr got to play with this notion of the unitary executive in an imperial presidency. i think though at some point it
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dawned on all of them that they were either going to have to take a stand with trump's assault on the constitution and his inability to run the white house and the federal government like an adult or leave. and that's what you see coming home to roost in some of these moments of incredible reporting that mike bender has in his book, is people flailing around the notion of corralling donald trump when he was never able to be corralled to begin with. >> what's amazing though and what michael bender's reporting crystallizes is what george conway points to, is that he turned them all into liars because bill barr and don mcgahn and jim mattis and john kelly, they all walked the line for donald trump. they all pretended everything was fine, and they knew at every last cellular particle of their being that he was fundamentally
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unfit to serve. how does that stain of everybody that was in there, everybody that was around him ever get erased? >> i don't think it ever gets erased. i think history is not going to look back well on anybody who enabled donald trump because he is a damaged man who has damaged the country. he has polluted the civic dialogue. he fomented an insurrection at the capitol. he thumbed his nose at the rule of law, and he continues to propagate obviously the big lie about the election, but also all sorts of damaging untruths about the electoral process, about race and other things, core american values. but what is dangerous about the moment that we're this is most of those people i don't think care about history and how it will look at them. secondarily, the republicans right now are trying to rewrite history before it is even accounted for, and that's why you had this struggle over the
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january 6th investigation. we are in a supremely propagandic moment. i don't think trump's opponents in the democratic party and even in the republican party have fully digested what they need to do to make sure we get through this passage safely because we are in a very dangerous time. >> say more. what is it that we need to do to get through this passage safely? >> it is ama m on the voting rights act that democrats in the senate are not forming a phalanx to go after the republicans on this issue. democrats in the state of texas are doing it. why aren't -- why isn't the party as a whole in the senate trying to flex its muscles more? why isn't joe biden going into the very states that donald trump is courting more
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frequently and delivering a very stark and unadorned message about the danger trump presents to the country. i think there's been a lot of criticism of the media for spending too much time focusing on donald trump in his presidential after life, and there's a lot we can ignore about trump. he is like a baby with a rattle in a play pen and you have to decide when -- when it is appropriate to pay attention to him and when it isn't. but the fact of the matter is he is going the most influential person in the republican party right now. the party is not going to be able to get the presidency back with donald trump, but they could win -- they could, i think, get the house and the senate back. that means they get more control over legislation. they get more control over the federal government, and they are coming from a place that is not about policy. it is about authoritarian assault on american values, and i think if people don't take trump seriously now in the same
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way they didn't take him seriously in 2015 there's going to be a very rough road ahead. >> i want to press a little farther on what you are saying. i mean would you like to see president biden in the states that he won narrowly that have enacted voter restrictions based on the lie of voter fraud, and come in and say, you know, i'm here to thank you for your votes, i won this state by, i guess if it is georgia 11,000 votes, i'm proud to be your president, i will be here regularly? would you like to see him own the victory in those states that are legislating voting restrictions as a result of his win? >> i would. i say it with great admiration, i admire joe biden as a public servant. i think we are fortunate he got elected and i think we're fortunate he was electable. but i think voting rights aren't only being restricted. republican legislatures in swing states like arizona, pennsylvania, wisconsin,
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michigan, georgia, are all essentially trying to take the ability to oversee election results and decide on their legitimacy into their own hands. i think that's the most pernicious thing that they're doing, and i think democrats in those states need as much support as they can to push back at those kind of processes. you see people like katie hobbs in arizona, the democratic caucus in the state of texas, really trying to flex their muscles but they cannot always do it alone and they need a lot of federal help. you know, i think one of the problems the democratic party is one of its virtues. it is pluralistic, it is tolerant. it embraces the diversity of viewpoints, but sometimes when push comes to shove it is hard to get everyone in line to go to war. the republicans never make that mistake. it took them about five minutes
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after january 6th to decide that they were going to misrepresent what occurred, walk right past it and re-embrace donald trump. that should scare people. >> it scares me, you're so right. to that end i would love to see the president -- and when i worked in the white house i always sort of thought, they have no idea how busy we are. but at the baseball game, the all-star game was moved out of georgia because of their voter restriction and voter nullification measures went to denver. would have been cool to see him get on to that. thank you for being here. we didn't get to talk to allen weisselberg. when we return, the removal of one flashpoint in the fight for racial justice in this country as another one is ready to boil over. that story is next.
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clashed with pro-activists. now those statues are gone, but the hatred persists. some might say it's worse than ever. we're back with eddie glaude. the ex-president talked about very fine people on both sides. it commenced the ugliest -- one of the ugliest, i guess, if you now have to keep the insurrection in contention, but one of the ugliest chapters of his four years in office, and there is a relief, i guess, in seeing the statues carted off, but there is an enduing pain and sickness, it seems, in this country. >> yes, indeed. i think it's a really important thing. we want to lift up charlottesville, we want to lift up heather hire's family, thinking about her mother on this day.
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but we have to change the environment, the symbols of this past that haunts, you know, these statues of confederates who were the reason why 600,000-plus americans died on the battlefield. and so removing those statues are important, absolutely critical. but it's just simply a prelude to the more difficult work that we have to do. so removing the statues has to happen alongside the debate with regards to what kind of history we tell ourselves, what kind of stories we tell ourselves, who do we manage to be together? this is hard work, nikole, and it's just beginning. >> what do you see when you see the flatbeds drive away on a flatbed? >> i don't know yet. oftentimes white america rushes to pat itself on the back when it does stuff like this. they want us to be grateful. see, look, we're not as bad as
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you think we are. so there is this rush to pat ourselves on the back and then we wash our hands of it and then we go right back to the ugliness. there is a sense in which i'm glad to see the back of the head of stonewall jackson who, ironically, was one of my heroes because of the way i was taught the civil war in mississippi. can you imagine? but on the other hand, i do know that this cannot be a space where we exhale and say, look, we've done good. no, we have so much more to do if we're actually going to be the america that we claim we are. >> eddie, you've always been one of sort of my guiding lights in keeping the focus on all of us, on the country. not on the shiny object that was the ex-president. how do you feel about all of us, the country? >> right now i'm thinking that history has us by the throat, nikole. american ghosts haunt.
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all of this seems so new but so familiar. the logic of the lost cause still reins, right? we see the lie that america has to be this shining example of democracy achieved, right, without any blemish, without any sins. we see that lie running afoot right now. and there is this sense that some are willing to throw the entire experiment away on behalf of this belief that only white people matter. i'm worried that we won't dare to risk imagining ourselves anew, because we're too beholden to our legends. but, again, human beings are miracles and disasters. if we show up, risk everything, there is a chance for a miracle, you know? >> i'm not going to say anything else because i can't top that. i'm grateful for you, my friend. eddie glaude, thank you for spending some time with us
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. it was one of the last remaining physical reminders of what happened on january 6. but this weekend crews in d.c. took down that 7-foot-tall protective metal fencing that was surrounding capitol square. the result was a sight for sore eyes. people sitting in the grass, walking their dogs right there. where six months ago president trump tried to subvert our democracy. there is still not public access to the actual building, and the fence could go back in front of
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our very eyes. thank you for watching us from your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with jason johnson in for ari melber starts now. >> good evening, i'm jason johnson. right now texans are en route to washington, d.c., some by plane, some by bus. they are fleeing to d.c. for blocking the voter suppression bill. because of this protest of stopping the bill from passing and shining a light on the natural threat of voting rights, mainly threatening black voters in states across the country. at least 58 lawmakers pushing bills based on trump's election lie.


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