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three, two, one, release, release, release. and that is a full duration burn, folks. we are headed to space. >> sir richard branson wins the heat of the first space race, beating jeff bezos, becoming the first person to blast off in his own spaceship. the question this morning, is this the launch of the space tourism industry? plus, a dudden guns seized from a hotel near the all-star game. four people have been arrested. the question is what they were
they plotting. >> and thousands join rare anti-government protests in cuba amid the worst pandemic there. the question is, how is the government responding? it's "way too early" for this. good morning and welcome to "way too early," the show that would take a beach vacation before i book a ticket to outer space. really something. i am kasie hunt on this monday, july 12th. the biden administration is responding after thousands of cubans took to the streets what's being called the biggest anti-government demonstration in decades there. it's erupted amid food shoutages, high prices, and blackouts. the anti-government protest lasting about 2 1/2 hours before it was eventually broken up.
the cuban security personnel used tear gas and other things to disperse the crowds. the cuban president blamed the united states for agitating the population. the country is going through its worst economic crisis in decades as it suffers the ongoing consequences of u.s. sanctions. a u.s. state department official released a statement on twitter that reads in part, peaceful protests are growing in cuba as the cuban people exercise their right to peaceful assembly to express concern about rising covid cases, deaths, and medicine shortages. we commend the numerous efforts of the cuban nation, mobilizing to help neighbors in need. back at home on capitol hill, where one of president biden's closest allies is pushing him to endorse a reform to a filibuster. majority whip jim clyburn said he should back a plan to that
would change the constitution. it would allow the democrats to pass their sweeping election reform bill and another bill authorizing the key sections of the 1945 voting rights act with democratic support. clyburn said president biden should pressure joe manchin, wu of the staunchest supporters in the caucus. he suggest they'd return to the talking filibuster, which would require senators to stay on the floor while blocking a bill. clyburn told, unquote, i'm not asking you to eliminate the filibuster, but what i'm saying to you is nobody ought to have the right to filibuster my constitutional rights. interesting. texas republicans, meanwhile, are moving forward with a set of restrictive voting laws. it comes after a marathon weekend of public testimony by democrats fighting against the legislation. both gop-backed voting bills are
headed to the floor tomorrow. state house democrats are, again, weighing their options, considering procedural fights or even another walkout. joining us now, white house reporter for the "washington post," tyler pager. tyler, good morning. it's great to see you. let's talk for a second about clyburn. obviously not a member of the senate, but also very influential with the president and has been in the room with joe manchin. what's your latest reporting on where things stand with the voting rights measures that are facing the senate right now. >> yeah, thanks so much for asking me. that's, again, the big question we're talk about. democrats see that as an existential threat to not just their ability to win elections but also to democracy and the ability for people to exercise their right to vote. this comes with joe biden headed to philadelphia to make a big speech on democracy and then voting rights.
and, again, we're seeing more pressure, but at the same time, i don't see the party moving in that direction until we see the president of the united states, the leader of the democratic party call for these filibusters. he's endorsed the talking filibuster reform, but he's not gone as far to say there should be a carveout. until we see the president of the united states make that kind of statement, it's going to be hard. we have not seen any sort of effort by the moderate democrats to make those concessions and call for a carveout. i think there's continuing to be an uphill battle for that kind of change. >> i think that's a very good point. the president would have to put the pressure on as you mention. tyler, you also have reporting on a bunch of key biden administrations that still don't have any nominees or they're untilled.
why? >> yeah some of there are more than a thousand positions that the biden administration needs to fill across the government, and the story that we looked at over the weekend is some of the key areas where they haven't put forward a nominee, so that looks at the solicitor general who argues cases in front of the supreme court. amid the pandemic, they're authorizing vaccines, the other we looked at was the top budget official as they try to pass a package. each of these vacancies has different dynamics, but one of the things we look at is the white house talks about their government approach to solving problems burkes that approach is somewhat study mied. people i talked to said acting nominees are kind of like substitute teachers. they could be great burkes they just focus on issues of the day.
they don't work on long-term strategy. that's one area where the biden agenda can be impeded by these decisions. >> really interesting. we talk about the nominations. the bottom line, they simply don't have the same kind of authority as the senate confirmed official. the "washington post's" tyler pager. thank you for getting up early with us this morning. appreciate you being here. british billionaire richard branson has made history, becoming the first person to reach the edge of outer space in a rocket funded by his own company. "virgin galactic." he launched into space with three employees, flying 53 miles above the earth. it's the final mission before kicking off with commercial flights with paying customers next year. nbc's tom costello was in new mexico for every moment. >> reporter: under a blazing sun, a new plane drifted off.
unity attached to the belly of its mother ship. inside, richard branson, three other employees and two pilots climbing to 46,000 feet. then 45 minutes after lift-off. >> three, two, one, release, release, release. >> reporter: 3gs. >> passengers in the back have been cleared to unstrap. >> reporter: the moment branson has been dreaming of since he was a dream, the curvature of the earth and the darkness of space. >> looking down to a beautiful, beautiful earth. >> reporter: after three to four minutes of weightlessness, the journey home. safely touching down just over an hour after takeoff. >> a perfect landing. >> reporter: on the ground, jubilation, triumph, and the famous branson champagne shower. finally 17 years after starting
"virgin galactic." >> the wings that are the "virgin galactic" wings, ladies and gentlemen, this, here, is sir richard branson, astronaut. >> i'm never going to be able to do it justice. it's indescribably beautiful. >> reporter: in an exclusive branson family interview with nbc news -- >> i've got to show it off. >> reporter: -- sir richard could not contain his excitement, his kids grateful he's back on terra firma. >> it's quite bad when your dad is going to do something in pioneering no one's done. >> reporter: after suggesting on friday that branson and his passengers would not be true astronauts because they don't go as high as bezos and his passengers will, bezos today seemed to concede the win,
writing, can't wait to join the club. >> i hope he has as extraordinary an experience as we do. >> reporter: branson's hope is that the quarter of a million dollar ride will come down, making it possible for others. >> then you and a friend will be able to go to space. it's an exciting, i think, opportunity for people around the world, which has never existed before. >> reporter: a lifelong dream fulfill and a pledge to open space for everyone. >> our thanks to nbc's tom costello for that report. the 2020 soccer championship. and blistering heat and dangerous wildfire concerns. we'll have those stories and
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holiday, inside pass, broken up by booker. still loose. he takes it away and throws it down. he will not be stopped. >> in the first nba finals game in milwaukee, in 47 years, the bucks lean on their superstar, giannis leading the bucks to a victory with 41. it curts the suns' lead in the series, two games to one. let's turn now to the finals action at the all england club. on saturday, world number one, ashleigh barty captured a win. barty is the first australian woman to win the wimbledon singles title in more than 40 years. and yesterday, top ranked novak djokovic earned a third
straight championship at the all england club. that is his sixth england crown. he defeated seven seated berrettini in four. all three, he, federer, and nadal, all boasting six grand slam singles titles. the three-way tie could be broken next month as djokovic remains on track to join only two other men in creating a calendar grand slam after winning the australian open, french open, and now wimbledon. and should djokovic compete at the tokyo games in between, he could potentially line up the so-called golden slam, cha is the four major championships plus the olympics. that's an accomplishment only achieved by steffi graf in 1988.
london is celebrating their national team's european championship victory over england. with teams in a stalemate after 120 minutes of play in the final, england won the shootout winning the title since 1968. these things are so stressful, those penalty kicks. all right. the first half of the major league baseball's regular season is in the books and baseball's top prospects are off the draft board. the pittsburgh pirates selected louisville catcher henry davis. he's the second catcher to be taken first overall. the second round beginning in denver ahead of tonight's home run dir by at coors field. all right. time for the weather. let's go to meteorologist bill karins for a check on the forecast. bill, we've got a lot of heat it looks like. >> yeah, kasie.
in the northeast, we talk about the rain and in the west, it's as dry as it could get. we went into the weekend thinking we weren't going to set the all-time hottest temperature which is 134 degrees. but we hit 130 on friday, 129 on saturday, 128 on sunday in death valley. with the modern records and our improved implementation for measuring, it was the warmest ever recorded on earth. the one that was 134 degrees was over 100 years ago. they're saying this was the hottest reliable temperature ever recorded on earth. a lot of cities like las vegas tied their all-time high. one away in sacramento. today is a little better. some areas have cooled off slightly. we have 19 million impacted by heat warnings. fresno should be 110.
mount shasta should break their record high, same for reno at 105. again, it's a loss less than what we had. we're going to go normal. still warm, but back to where we should be. boise should be around 95. phoenix will have a chance of that. clouds and moisture. maybe showers in the afternoon. so they're going to see temperatures right around 102. by phoenix standards, that's greatly improved. now to the northeast where it won't stop raining, we have flooding it's humid tropical air mass. we have a ton of rain overnight up through portland, thunderstorms rolling through pennsylvania. rain went through new york city, and now we have flood watches that are up for a good chunk of the northeast and new england including boston, hartford, providence, kingston, hudson valley, new york city is under a flash flood watch and our friends in cleveland.
it looks like a round of thunderstorm this afternoon. another one this evening and another one this thursday. that's going to be at least three rounds of rain. it's hard to pinpoint who's going to get the most of it, but computers are hinting from central pennsylvania and reading, maybe around syracuse. so humid, so tropical, it's going to be hit and miss, depending on where you are. you'll notice the heat still in the west. coastal cities are bad. seattle, portland, not affected by the latest heatwave. there are rain chances in the east. kasie, everything is lush and very green, what a contrast to what's happening in the west with the drought and the heatwaves and how climate change has affected areas of the west. >> yeah, we're going to talk later nonthe show about the economic implications of that. it's starting to affect people, their day-to-day lives and their livelihood. thank you very much for that.
we appreciate it. we'll see you tomorrow. still ahead here, a scary situation in denver as people arrest four people. weapons, ammunition, and body armor was found near coors field where the all-star game is expected to take place this week. we're going to have those details coming up next. e details coming up next versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein.
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event. the death toll in surfside continues to rise. the death toll now stands at 90 people with roughly 30 still missing. at least 70 victims have been identified including three young children. crews continue to cyst through the rubble as recovery operations remain ongoing around the clock. and a haitian the doctor has been tied to the asass sas nation of the president. he was the ringleader and planned to assume the presidency. he told some attackers they would be on his intelligence team. the biden administration says the delegation is assessing the situation to see how they can be of assistance. still ahead here, former president trump wins the informal cpac straw poll for the 2024 gop nomination. we'll talk about what that means
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officers being brutally beaten while trying to help someone who collapsed. warning, this video is disturbing. it shows officers outside the capitol trying to make their way to someone who later died of an overdose. one officer was dragged into the crowd by his helmet. he was stripped of his gear and beaten with weapons. a second officer is pulled back and forth between attackers, and a colleague tries to rescue him. video from his body camera shows him being stomped, beaten, and kicked by the rioters with weapons. jack witten was charged with several felonies and has not yet entered a plea. he's seen on camera threatening an officer's life, according to prosecutors. >> you're going to die tonight. >> just awful. former president trump,
meanwhile, is framing what happened on january 6th. we saw some of it just a moment ago in a far different light. here is trump during an interview on fox news yesterday. >> there was such love at the rally. you had over a million people there. they were there for one reason. they felt the election was rigged. that's why they were there. and these were peaceful people. they were great people. the crowd was unbelievable. i mentioned the word "love. kwlts the love in the air, i've never seen anything like it. >> at least some of the people in that crowd marched down to the capitol and beat police officers as you can see there. a new straw poll, meanwhile, from the cpac showed president trump is the overwhelming favorite for republicans in the 2024 primary. the results were revealed at the end of the conference yesterday and shows if trump chose to run, he's the first choice of 77% of
republicans who attended there. in second place, florida governor ron desantis with 21% of the votes. trump has not revealed whether he'll seek the nomination but said last month he had made his decision. in a poll where he was not the nomination, desantis received 68%. joining us now, the co-founder of "punchbowl news," anna, it's gooed to see you. there's a lot on january 6th. we showed that video of police being dragged by trump supporters, and you heard trump call them fine people. there are republicans obviously at this conference who say, hey, you know, he's our choice for this. what is your sense of what this
means going forward? the rewrite of what happened on january 6th continues. i hate-watching that video, but, you know what sunny i'm glad it exists so we can see with our own eyes exactly what happened. >> it's very disturbing to start your day looking at that video, but it truly shows how violent it actually was, how perilous it was. we'll have the house committee looking at this, looking at what actually happened because you have trump and a lot of his supporters and members of congress who were whitewashing, saying, oh, it's tourism. trump is trying to pretend there was a lot of love in the air. that's no what you see on the ground on january 6th. it's really quite disturbing. >> yeah. so, anna, the other thing that
obviously we mentioned here was mike pence in that cpac poll. he made the decision, hey, i doge have the authority to overturn the election. and he's stood by that decision in the intervening months. he hasn't actually shifted. but what he did that day cost him. the cpac crowd would have typically been a friendly crowd. clearly not for him. what is his future in politics? >> he's a lonely face right now to be clear. the republican side of the party doesn't love mike pence. they're not enamored with him. he clearly wants to have a future in the republican party, trying to find what that footing might look like. but in the short term it's hard to see the republican base, you
know, switching its position to actually finding a real love for him going forward. >> so, anna, this is a big make-or-break week. in fact, we're about to hit the august recess, and democrats have to keep the bipartisan bill and deal on track and try to make sure they're making enough progress on the democratic-only proposal to reassure nervous progressives about where this is all going it's very delicate dance. roy's your latest reporting on capitol hill this weekend. do you have anything in your news letter this morning we should talk about here? >> absolutely. you teed it up perfectly for us. this morning we're out with several different scenarios, basically playing out what that could look like if chuck schumer is successful in running the table and getting the bipartisan process policy going as well as this harder reconciliation
package going forward. there's a lot of things that he needs to do. but i think what we really tee up is this other kind of scenario, which is the glooming debt ceiling, the fact that they're going to have to do funding that punts it to the end of the year. you and i know. over new years, it acts when they have that legislative deadline. we try to play out the five different scenarios. you can read about all of them in this news letter. >> it's going to be quite a busy second half of 2021. anna palmer. thank you. we appreciate it. coming up, a growing sized payday. "way too early" back in a moment. "way too early" back in a moment
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welcome back. the western part of the country is once again facing dangerously high temperatures, and the heat is fueling the wildfire risk. nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin has details. >> reporter: extreme temperatures fueling infur knows across the west, it's triggered evacuations in the northern part of the statement the beckworth
fire this weekend doubling in size. >> it's just weeks and weeks and weeks dryer than it should be this time of year. >> reporter: the fire season not only prematurely ferocious but as deadly. in arizona, these two men were killed in an air accident. the scorching temperatures threatening millions of americans across the west, with thermostats soaring 10 to 20 degrees abob average. on saturday utah tied its all-time statewide record, 117 in st. george t same temperature as las vegas. also matching a sin city record. the extreme heat pushing the region's extreme drought to historic levels, reducing water deliveries across the west, with reservoirs hitting new lows. in utah, one reservoir has completely run dry. >> this here is something
different. this is something i've never seen before. >> all right. our thanks to erin mclaughlin for that report. and joining us now to talk a little bit more about this topic is reporter for "the wall street journal," orla mccaffrey. thank you for being up "way too early" this morning for us. i really appreciate it. your story stuck out with me. you were noult seattle during the heatwave, and you chronicled the way this is impacting ordinary people trying to go about making a living and all the things they had to do differently because of this heatwave. i think it's been a real challenge as we try to konk the climate change because so much is about science and measurements of different things this. is very tangible, very real world with a very big impact. explain what you found when you went out there to cover this? >> right. i think the key thing here,
kasie, is how unaccustomed this particular region is to the heat. temperatures are typically 30 to 40 degrees worse than the end of june. so there isn't the kind of infrastructure to deal with an event like this. less than half of the homes in seattle don't have a a.c. they didn't know what to do. it was difficult on people, businesses. i know a lot of folks who didn't sleep because of the heat. now government officials and businesses alike are tasked with what do we do the next time this happens, which they expect to be sooner rather than later. >> can you walk us through some of the things that businesses in particular, the headline, christmas trees, doughnuts were affected, fishing. what did they have to do to try to keep their businesses going through the heatwave? >> right. so the extreme heatwave caused
problems for businesses across the board. one of my colleagues wrote about 350,000 chinook salmon having to be released early by the fishery or they would have been non-viable for the season. a christmas tree grower i spoke to said he thinks his crop is saved this year, but he's definitely going to plant more next year and the year after that to account for the future extreme events that might take some of them out. everyone is kind of brainstorming and figuring out what to do. employees at that doughnut store actually went on strike because of the working conditions. there are also concerns about working conditions at an amazon warehouse here. it's affecting business leaders to employees at the ground level. >> right. so, i mean, the reality, of course, at the end of the day, it's still going to take wide, collective action in the long
run to try to combat some of these effects. do you get the sense there's fewer political diversions or are people divided as ever as they continue to hamper or efforts to do something about this? >> you know, i think there are a lot of ways people can come together here. in washington state, for example, there's a ban against campfires. it's posted all across the state because of the recent high temperatures. i spoke with the commissioner of public lands here recently, and she's afraid this year is going to be the worst ever for wildfires. but i think on concrete things like that, there's definitely momentum for that to happen. >> all right. we'll see. there's so much work to be done and unfortunately not a ton of reen rns to be encouraged, but hopefully more reporting like
this so that everybody understands how impacting they are by this. thanks very much for being up early for us with your reporting. we really appreciate it. earlier on in the show, we asked why you are awake. one person writes coffee tastes better in this cup, #goblue. >> yes, it does. go blue. actor dave foley is up "way too early" to shoot a sketch for "the kids in the hall." hall. thanks for helping to wake my brain. and bobby is getting dressed to catch a 6:00 a.m. plane to cleveland, ohio. up to meet my great, great, grandson beau for the first time. you are so lucky. up next we'll look at the axios one big thing. and on "morning joe," where priorities lie in the senate.
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welcome back. unruly airline passengers continue to wreak havoc in the skies and on the ground. their disturbances causing delayed and cancelled trips for many and costing them thousands of dollars in fines. vaughn hillyard has more. >> reporter: unruly passengers shutting down airports and diverting planes. flight attendants duct taping this woman to her seat. saying she attempted to open the plane's boarding door and then physically assaulted, bit and caused injury to a flight attendant. these passengers headed to miami forced to put their hands on their head for nearly an hour due to a security risk. authorities arested this man. he claimed to have a bomb in his luggage during an argument with the ticket counter employee. now more than 3,200 reports of
unruly rioters this year. the number of faa investigations already three times more than a normal year. the faa releasing a zero tolerance psa. >> stop. >> and tsa resuming self-defense classes for workers. >> to handle problem passenger. >> reporter: masked planes enflaming the stresses of airline travel. hoping the mandates end soon. >> the current order expires september 13th and i guess it will expire on september 13th. >> clearly the masks are a spark point but it's not the underlying cause. any flight attendant would say there's something much bigger going on here and there is just a general aggression. >> reporter: american and southwest airlines stopping alcohol service, and the faa handing out massive fines from 7,500 to $52,000.
a steep price to deter more chaos in the air. >> i mean, i know it's been a tough year for everyone, but let's keep it together, everybody. thanks to vaughn hillyard for that record. that report. joining us to look at axios a.m., congressional reporter elena treen. good to see you. what's the one big thing today? >> good morning, happy monday. today we're looking at vaccine laws across the country. a lot of republican state lawmakers are trying to -- they're using the same language they would with race, religion and gender, politics in their states, trying to make it illegal for employees and private businesses and government to discriminate against those who are unvaccinated versus those who are vaccinated. this is really an interesting
marker of how deeply vaccine status has burned into the political psyche in our country. one state already, montana, has made it illegal for different employers to discriminate against people who are unvaccinated versus those who are vaccinated. and my colleague points out the states doing this and pushing this are the states that have higher rates of unvaccinated people. so i think it's something to keep tracking and see as, you know, more people become vaccinated, more laws get relaxed, how many states follow through on this or if it's more bark than bite. >> the emerging political signaling divide here. the senate is coming back this week, right before their august recess. and they are trying to put two massive infrastructure packages into that time. they want to finish the bipartisan plan and also get the ball rolling on the democratic
only bill. it is a very tough period for the senate majority leader in particular, chuck schumer, what's the game plan for him? >> he has a very difficult job in the next few weeks. and time is running out. you know, they have a summer deadline for getting the infrastructure packages through. self-imposed deadline, i should say. and as you know, kasie, and anyone else who covers congress, they move very slowly, particularly in packages of this size and magnitude. i think this week in particular is going to be a big week to see, one, they have to write the bills, particularly the bipartisan bill, they struck the deal, 22 senators and the white house struck a deal on a 1.2 trillion infrastructure package. it hasn't been written yet and they still need to get a lot of support for this. i think the dynamics of how many
people, even democrats who will vote for this bill ultimately is going to be a key factor that we'll probably learn more about this week. progressives are really pushing this package pass along with the reconciliation bill which is a much more ambitious, progressive proposal. but not a lot of time to do this. so i think chuck schumer has his work cut out for him in these next few weeks. >> sure does. so the key piece of this too is the budget committee working on writing the reconciliation package. i had sources tell me it's going to represent a broad range of democrats and could represent a good place to start for the whole senate. but it's going to be a lot less than what bernie sanders, the chairman, wants in terms of spending, right? >> it is. my colleague, hans nichols reported last night that it's going to be roughly 3.5 trillion. still a massive number. i mean, if you look years ago,
3.5 trillion is not something to blink at. but bernie sanders, he wanted initially something closer to $6 trillion, looks like he's not going to get that. he has to bow to reality and come down from that number just to be realistic with what a lot of moderate democratic senators would do because they need every single democratic senator to vote for this package for it to pass. >> all right. thanks for being up early with us. we appreciate it. one other thing to watch this week and through the summer is voting rights. sources close to senator joe manchin say that he understands it's likely to come up again. it is going to come to a head, and there are some signs that he is thinking about ways in which to make a filibuster more painful for the person who decides they want to implement it right now. it doesn't take very much skin in the game to do it. so that's something i'm keeping a close eye o