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that's about 75% capacity, even though all attending had to have proof of vaccination or a negative test. on july 19, the whole world is watching what the uk is going to do, drop all of its covid restrictions. quite a risky experiment there in the middle of the horrific delta wave. we're seeing with a rapid vaccine rollout, is about 68% have had double jabs. but there is relief between the infections and we believe that we're heading in the right direction, no people want to get back to his normal life as possible. but we also know that this is something that we're going to have to tap into the group at
sometimes or cautiously optimistic, but will obviously continue to monitor the. situation >> i do hope that you're right, it is a big risk, but anyways on today's subject thank you for being with us, i hope you'll come back and will continue have this conversation better circumstances. >> when i come home, it will be. thanks for having me on the show. >> there has to, it has to. thank you for coming on, thank you all at home for watching, we will be right back here next sunday, 8 pm eastern. you can catch me monday through thursday live at 7 pm eastern on the choice, on nbc's streaming channel, peacock. now, it is time to turn it over to joshua johnson. good evening, joshua. >> good evening committee, thank you very much. good evening to you, it is great to be with you tonight. on a rather historic day. tonight, we're keeping a close eye on cuba. thousands of people marched today in havana, protesting food and medicine shortages during the pandemic, we'll have the latest there also may be watching on msnbc, richard
branson made it to space, moving in this one closer to a new era of space travel. former astronaut mike -- will talk us through what we witnessed. plus, the senate reconvenes tomorrow after a two-week recess, where does president biden's agenda stand on capitol hill? and what are the next steps? michigan shares her take, and just ahead, will consider the end of america's longest war with the journalist david rohde. he was once kidnapped by the taliban in afghanistan. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnston, thank you and welcome to the week. eek. >> let's begin tonight with a breaking story out of cuba, thousands of people have taken to the streets denouncing the government in unusual acts of civil disobedience. they are demanding food and covid-19 vaccines, and protesting the islands dire
economic situation. we know of them and their demonstrations at least five neighborhoods in havana, and in a number of towns across the island. police have had to detained a number of protesters in an attempt to control the crowd. pro-government counter protesters supported the officers shouting things like, this street belongs to fidel. and nbc news producer in havana reported that anti government protesters said statements like down with tyranny, and homeland with life. in miami's little havana neighborhood, people watched live streams of the protests and held demonstrations in solidarity. joining us now to discuss it is laura rodriguez, she's a reporter with wta jay, nbc's sixth in miami. she's on the ground there. we're also joined by carlos capela, msnbc political analyst, and former congressman from the miami area. >> laura, let me start with you in south florida. it looks like i'm guessing, you are on southwest eighth street, kyoto right in the middle of the political heart of miami
cuban american community, probably near -- restaurant. what's happening near you are? what's the response been like? >> and that is exactly where i am. this is just completely packed and massive crowds out here. at least an entire group filled with people, cuban americans and not only keeping americans a mix of people, also supporting -- all pan over so you can take a look at the scene right now. it has it has grown in the last few hours and is not letting up where you can see dozens of cuban flags with many people holding signs saying sos cuba a lot of people also holding signs it's a patria y vida which means homeland in life. this is a stark contrast to homeland or death. again, passionate crowd out here tonight at this time. 9 pm here it started around
2:00 at say. the crowd has just continue to grow out here. and many of the people have interview tell me really that they just want to support the cuban people who are protesting on the island and express their solidarity with the cuban people. they say again that they stand with them, and this is a historic moment for the people on the island because there has not been a protest of this magnitude in decades. as many of you may know, the cuban government strongly opposes dissent. so there has been protests here, specific small groups, but never of this magnitude before. so many of this on the. island >> but you know that congressman, or former congressman -- that this is been a bad stretch for cuba in the last few years, particularly with the death of fidel castro. assuming the presidency, he stepped on a few months ago. and the current president of cuba, is now blaming this in his address on the united
states and warned that protesters would face a strong response. talk about what is going on in cuba right now and what it means to the folks that we see on the ground on cayo ocho and the situation on the island right. now >> joshua, the last time that there were mass protests like this in cuba were in 1994, fidel castro was still in power. what he had invited were angry cubans for to leave, and to come to the united states. this time around, the long time is past, and fidel castro of course is deceased. and no longer is it an option for cubans to just come to the united states in the way that they used to, laws have changed here to. so, this creates a far more complex situation for the cuban regime. people are angry, hungry, displeased with the government's response to the pandemic. and they are desperate. they also want to be free. they want the basic human
rights that cubans on the island have been denied for over 62 years. [inaudible] it's not dramatic, it's unlike anything that we've seen since cuba in 1994. but it does seem that these protests are far more extreme than the ones we saw 1994. of course a lot of people see that in 94, probably 40,000 cubist came to the united states en masse. that doesn't seem to be an option is time for the cuban government. so they're gonna have to figure out how to handle the situation and a lot of people in miami think that this it could be the end of the cuban regime. >> i remember those protests back in 94, our laura, i remember protest exactly where you are that i covered when i was still a reported their back when they thought that fidel castro was dead. eight people rushing to the streets, almost preemptively, exactly where you are outside of the sites. and then they came back after it was confirmed that he was actually dead, some years later. the city of miami, laura, is
almost a character in the story. we have heard from frances soares, who is the city's mayor today, and city leaders speaking from miami. talk about the role that just the city plays in cuba's future both with an exile community, and emigrant community, and a political sphere of influence that still is kind of felt on the island. >> so, to your point about fidel castro's death, i covered his death and i have to tell you that it feels very similar, and i'd say that they're even more people here now. the difference that i'm seeing in the reason that i think that there are more people here is because people actually feel that change might come. there's never again been a protest of this magnitude on the island. so, people here in miami are pushing out a message telling the people of cuba to keep going, to keep fighting the good fight. and miami, as we mentioned, is obviously a very hub of the cuban american community here
in the united states. and the mayor, as they came in, when we were going live for the nbc six newscast arrived with the chief of police who is also a cuban. he was born in cuba. i asked him, i was not sure if you're giving american or born in -- born on the island. but he was born on cuba. he came here, very symbolic moment. there is a makeshift -- a truck that became a makeshift stage basically where politicians, community leaders, anyone in the crowd was kind of getting up, grabbing the microphone and leading the crowd in chants. and they were saying they want freedom for the cuban people and speaking from there saying that they stood with them and continuing the fight for freedom. miami a definitely important place for the cuban community, and i think that that is whether such a show of support out here to let the cuban people know that they are not alone, because they could definitely place a lot of
backlash for these protests on the island. >> before we go, carlos, what do you expect in the days and weeks to come both in south florida and perhaps in cuba? i'm sure that the cuban government is not gonna like this all at all. i'm not even sure will kind of condition the cuban government is in right now, it's mounting resistance? maybe to win back resistance or support from the protests. but if the protests are that widespread on the island and brazen, that kind of courageous against the government, what are you expecting to happen next? >> well, joshua, miguel diaz the leader at the castro family appointed when raul castro stepped down a few months back as already cold people on the island to fight the revolutionaries. to squash these protests, for many years they've asked to turn against one another and
he's essentially encouraging -- and when i say he, it is the castro family because that's who he represents. [inaudible] in washington d.c.. this is an opportunity for the biden administration, a foreign policy opportunity, obviously. but also a political opportunity. president biden did not get the support in south florida that hillary clinton got four years before, this is an opportunity for president biden, his administration to show solidarity with the cuban people. and to show south florida's cuban in american communities and other communities as laura mentioned, as well as nicaraguans, others, who have been victimized by totalitarian regimes, that the u.s. government is on the side of these people who are calling for freedom and to have the same freedoms that many americans, all americans, and so many people throughout the world enjoy. >> i should know by the way, we do have reports of protests in other cuban, american
communities in the state of florida including in tampa, as we're seeing very large cuban resort of population, and we appreciate the live report from laura rodriguez, front nbc six on cayo ocho, in miami. and former congressman carlos -- we appreciate it. now, cubans protest for a better future, we're also looking at the future of american democracy. today in dallas, former president trump delivered the keynote address at the conservative political action conference, or cpac. he also placed first in a cpac straw poll of possible presidential candidates. meanwhile, crews removed the final sections of security fencing around the u.s. capitol. the barriers went up -- a house committee is still coming together on that. also, the texas state legislature as a working weekend. members took up to gop back voting bills, both bills advance the other committee, and we could get a floor vote by tuesday. the bills were inspired at least partly by the claims of
voter fraud that led to the riots on january 6th. this week will also be pivotal for the future of president biden's agenda. the senate returns from a two-week recess to continue to work on a massive infrastructure overhaul. the president is scheduled to speak on tuesday, pushing for voting rights legislation. but can he make progress on two of capitol hill's most complex and divisive issues? let's discuss all of this with democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. she's a member of the house and congress committee, and the house natural resources committee. her district includes ann arbor, and parts of the detroit suburbs including dearborn, congresswoman, very good to see you. welcome. >> it is great to be with you, joshua. thank. you >> can you start with voting rights? i wonder what your sense is of the future of the legislation that is pending for the people act, the john lewis voting rights act, do you think that the path now is to keep pushing for those pieces of legislation? or, might there be an appetite
for narrow bill that sort of coalesces the areas of agreement that we have now across the two parties and moves forward with what is feasible at the moment? >> well, my sense i've been home for ten days, in the house, i'll be here for another week or so, the seat in the -- senate came a week out before -- the leadership in the united states following the president will continue on both hr1, and the john lewis. act this is to really push back against what is happening in the state. you're seeing what's happening in texas, michigan is another state. we've already seen what happened in florida. but here, we're trying to push back on voting rights, things are very disturbing. seniors have been able to vote on absentee ballots for decades. suddenly, we're being told that the vote will not count. the voter i.d.s have to be shown. so, my sense is that in the senate, the house majority, we can see that speaker pelosi has
been very astute in controlling the move forward. people are looking to protect the vote in all manners. and not let ourselves be divided by fear and hatred, and lies, and wanting to protect every person's vote. so, let's stop these acts of fundamental attacks on our democracy, peoples confidence in their vote is important. this, what you saw at cpac, a minute ago, the president trump, when he's in continuing, the lies or their. he's undermining peoples confidence. and we have to push back, period. >> what about on infrastructure, right? there's been flooding in michigan not too long ago in the last few days and weeks. you've been vocal about and kind of referred to that as part of the rationale for why. we need to move forward on some kind of legislation to deal with infrastructure. i know that after events like this, flooding in michigan, the
condo collapse in surfside, florida. the way we talk about infrastructure takes on a different tone as opposed to, well, there's human infrastructure and physical infrastructure, but how do you think this factors into the debate over what congress should be working on right now? >> so when we return, we've got to deal with infrastructure. we have a bipartisan infrastructure but there are other issues that have to be discussed and we have no choice but to do that. you are just showing pictures but it looked like in michigan, which is my hometown of dearborn that's already documented 12,000 homes that have been damaged and the experts here believe that there will be 20,000 by the time that this is a documented part. infrastructure is 100 years old. and many other prices are in the country. unfortunately, people don't talk about it as much as they at times talk about new york in california and florida.
the people care about all of this. we've got to fight for it. the fact of the matter is committees across the country are gonna be fighting for this. we have to do something. these 100-year flux that we've just saw is like the fifth one that we've had in my hometown in the last seven or eight years. and other work with them is almost as bad as this. we have to do something. >> before i have to let you go, 27,000 homes is destroyed by flooding. my goodness. that focuses the mind. yeah. >> you should be holding these 90 year old woman better just stopping. their life is destroyed. people with no homes. this is a problem that we have to deal with. >> i guess than my last question before have to let you go is the 90-year-old woman in the home that's been destroyed by flooding. for her, all the pieces of this infrastructure is one issue, right? even produced a new bill that would expand long term care for seniors and people with
disabilities called the better care, better jobs act. that right now they're on capitol hill is physical infrastructure versus social infrastructure. i hear the argument for the need for both. how do we reconcile that though? do we do one bill and go for the other? do you keep fighting to make it all part of one package for that 90 year old in dearborn who needs help right now? what's the best way politically forward, before we go? >> i'm really committed to both, in case you can't tell. and i think we reached a bipartisan agreement but we've got to get budget bills and all those proposals in there. we need to begin the parameters for reconciliation. the bills are long term there. there are too many people in this country. the waiting list for a long term care right now is more than 1 million people. we have to do something about it. this is a once in a generation opportunity and we have to do
it, both of these. >> congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan, i appreciate you clarifying with some of your constituents are going through and i appreciate making time tonight. thanks very much. up next, what can the virgin galactic launch tell us about the future of space travel and maybe even space tourism? former astronaut mike macedonia joins us just ahead. and later, america's troops are leaving afghanistan. david rogue tells us about his efforts to help afghan interpreters who worked with him there. but first, cory coffin is here with the headlines. hey cory. >> hey joshua, thank you. stories we're watching at this hour right now, today we learned that 90 people including three young children can confirmed dead on the surfside florida collapse. more than 30 people are potentially unaccounted for. over in california and los angeles county were covid-19 cases surged by 165% in a single week. 83% of new cases affected people under 50.
70% of new infections were concentrated among people 18 to 49. and severe heat wave in california setting record high temperatures across the state. death valley reached 130 degrees today for the second time in three days. it's the hottest temperature ever recorded on earth in nearly a century. more of the week with joshua johnson right after the break. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving... ...with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the subaru forester. the safest forester ever. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high you know how i feel ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel ♪ [man: coughing] ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day... ♪
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released release. clean release. >> and with that, the space race rocketed forward. british billionaire richard branson sort along the edge of space and touchdown safely. he and the crew of the unity 22 took off after a 90 minute weather delay. they experience about four minutes of weightlessness and an altitude of lower than 50 miles before their dissent. sir richard branson spoke about his experience after returning to earth. >> like most kids, i have drums of this moment since i was a kid. obviously, nothing to prepare you for the view from space. the whole thing was just magical. >> let's discuss it with michael maxim you know, he's a retired nasa astronaut and the sea air and space museum here in new york. mr. massenet, thank you for the program. >> thanks for having me josh raab. >> so i did not expect this
flight to be so moving for me. i was very, very emotional with the whole thing. i was just kind of like, gobsmacked and i was a little kid glowing up in florida looking up the trail of a space shuttle over again when i saw this happen. what was your reaction to the launch and then the safe landing? >> joshua, it was similar for me as well. and you know for me, i had the dream of flying in space is a little boy and the past that i sought out was to become a nasa astronaut and the requirements for that and i think what this does is give people with that same dream who don't have the opportunity or qualifications maybe or whatever it might be could still go to space to either experience or it or too research or somehow make a difference in their lives or other people's lives. those dreams are really important and hopefully more of those dreams are gonna be able to come true now because of what we saw today. >> this is also kind of a
different experience from being a nasa astronaut, from what we're used to seeing the movies where you're kind of like blown back and everything. this was designed at least as a crew -- as they discussed it, to be a little bit more smooth when you feel a ramping up of the pressure. when you kind of able to move about the cabin, as it were, in the middle of the flight and make it a little more accessible for everyday people who have never been spun around on a centrifuge. >> no, absolutely. i think it seems like a very comfortable ride and i think it takes off from a runway and lands on a runway and in some ways it makes it more technologically challenging to do that and it gives you more options i. think we might see travel like this from where airport to another and traveling very quickly from the different parts of the world. so i think it opens up very many possibilities that i'm sure richard branson is talked about and hopefully will be able to see these things happen in a few years. >> what about the whole
billionaire boys club aspect of this? i saw some really kind of snarky, cynical conversations on social media, including amongst the people who follow me online and response to mike lee over this who were basically like, we should be spending this money to help feed the homeless. this is just a spitting match between two billionaires. why is this a big deal? this is the wrong thing to get excited about. and on one hand i understand it. on the other hand, i work in a building that was built by a billionaire who never had a little black boy from west palm beach florida in mind when he had thought a broadcast network to be here and yet here i am. so i kind of see both sides of this argument about why this, why now? why these resources on this mission? but how do you see it? >> i see it that i don't disagree with what anyone saying about this. we have big problems in the world that we should be spending money and we are spending money on. we should be spending more money on it for sure, but i
think there's somewhat of a balance between our current problems and also looking to things that are inspirational and about the future. and that's the way of always felt about the space program. is it more important than feeding people and providing housing? no. but it is certainly worth, i think, a little bit of money to put away as far as what you would put away in your own budget at home and what we do as a country for the future. that's how i see this. i see it as investments in the future. it could open up opportunities we can't even imagine right now. opening up the opportunity for people to go to space, to do experiments for research. making it more accessible, not with the government can do. and that's why -- yes, rich guys doing it right now. but i think that prices gonna come down. they've talked about that. they're gonna run out of billionaires eventually that want to do this. and so the price is gonna have to come down so the more and more people can participate. >> and briefly, before i have to let you go. what should we be looking forward to with jeff bezos his flight later this month? it will be rather different
than this one, particularly in just the way that the spacecraft works. >> yeah this was a little bit more traditional, i guess. you take off and land on a runway. it's gonna go up, it's similar to what's allen shepherded. that's why the name of that spacecraft is called shepard. go off and experience and come down in a parish where the launchpad as but a different model but i still i think it's still impressive and i'm really looking forward to that one. >> michael messam you note, appreciate talking history this tonight. >> joshua, thanks so much for having me. >> thank you very much. coming up, the u.s. is withdrawing from afghanistan. what will become of the afghan interpreters who risked their lives alongside americas troops? that's next. ext. to give everyone the joy of 5g by giving every customer a new 5g phone, on us, aha! old customers. new customers. families. businesses. in-laws. law firms. every customer. new 5g phones when you trade in your old ones. and if you're not a customer,
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still troops in coast of all. but unfortunately, it worked. the taliban have outlasted the will of the united states. >> that was congressman adam kinzinger at air force revenue -- veteran who served in iraq and afghanistan. this week, president biden announced at the u.s. mission in afghanistan will end on august 31st. the original deadline, september 11th. more than 90%, nine zero, percent of u.s. personnel have already departed. but as american troops move out, the taliban are moving in, on the afghan government. they have seized about 120 districts since may 1st. joining us now is pulitzer prize-winning journalist, david rogue. he's the executive editor of the new yorker.com, an msnbc contributor. he's also the author of in deep, the fbi, the cia, and the truth about americas deep state. welcome. >> thank you, thanks jeff for having me here. >> your reaction to the way that this troop pull out is going? you were kidnapped by the
taliban in 2008, forced to hike from ghana stan to pakistan, and then held for more than seven months. so, i can only imagine what all this means to. you >> it is understandable, the exhaustion of americans. and i understand why biden wants to pull out u.s. forces. but one of the reasons that the u.s. has failed so much is the fact that passed the stand has allowed the taliban to have a safe haven. that would be where i was held captive for seven months. so we have big surges american troops, taliban would simply withdraw over the border, into the mountains of pakistan, where i was held captive. and that is central really to the mistakes that were made there by the government, corruption, etc. but the second big factor here has been in pakistan, gaining power of the taliban. and i think until that changes, it is an unwinnable war. but that's what i think, personally, watching this unfold. >> that's a very thoughtful response.
i wanted on a more human, this rule level, i'm guessing, maybe not, if there is some part of you after what you went through if it is looking at the troop pull out, and the taliban's resurgence and thinking, this is it? like, these guys kidnapped me help me for seven months and we are walking away and there are about to get what they have been after all of this time? what the hell? there has to be a part of you that is not happy with the way that this is turning out. >> josh, you are right -- you are correct to ask. i am asking questions as a journalist, but you're asking the right question to me now. yeah, look... many -- tens of thousands of afghans have died fighting taliban. thousands of americans have died fighting to taliban. i was kidnapped for seven months, so, there is a real sense of, yes, personal frustration. and then, there's a human element. an afghan journalist who was kidnapped with me, he helped me escape from kick captivity -- he is a u.s. citizen.
allen he is panicked about his family. he has got children, his wife are still in afghanistan and his -- he can't get them to the united states. the visa process -- >> there are so many afghans trying to get out now, the visa process is so backlogged, and a u.s. citizen, a u.s. afghan citizen who saved my life is unable to get his family out of afghanistan now. and that is what frustrates me more. is yes, maybe we should withdraw. but it should not be this quick. and this hasty. >> what do we have to do to turn that around? in addition to the afghans who help to you, again interpreters who helped u.s. forces, what would it take to move that process along faster? is it a matter of a lack of political will? is it having the resources? spending the money on it? what are we not doing? >> i think the u.s. government has to do a sort of mass airlift. it's partly what happened at the end of vietnam. large numbers of people moved
out at once. there's a plan underway to try to get the military translators out. but there would be an airlift of military translators. there is a whole other group of afghans who worked for aid organizations, who worked with the journalists, like the friend i'm speaking about. and, they are not in line to be evacuated. they are not in line to be considered for visas. so, the biden administration has to make a much larger effort to airlift out the afghan translators who worked with the u.s. military, and then i think also the tens of thousands of afghans who worked with or american aid organizations, and journalists. they are also considered enemies of the taliban. so again, i get it, 20 years people want to leave, but there should be a much more carefully planned exodus that allows us to get our afghan allies out. >> briefly, before i let you go, let me get your reaction to
this cut from president biden about the future of afghanistan and the taliban. watch. >> is a taliban takeover of afghanistan now inevitable? >> the afghan troops have 300,000 well equipped, as well as any army in the world, and an air force. against something like 75,000 taliban. it is not inevitable. >> david, before we go, what do you make of? that is a taliban takeover of afghanistan inevitable now? >> i think it is certainly likely in the rapid pace of this withdrawal. certainly pulling all of the troops being taken out of the base that we've held for so long, 20 years, bringing down morale amongst afghan security forces. it is how we conduct this withdrawal that matters, not simply just getting out as quickly as possible. >> david rogue, we appreciate you sharing your story, thanks very. much still to come, italy beat england in the euro 2020 soccer championship. but it still might be a win for
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roger bennett is one half of the men in blazers on nbc sports, is also the author of, reborn in the usa, an englishman's a love letter to his chosen home. roger, it welcome to the program, good to have. you >> joshua, it is a joy to be with you. >> so, this idea of being in american trapped in an englishman's body, i'm sure that there are some americans who heard that and were like, you should've state an englishman. you were doing better in england. i'm not sure that you want to be in american. what does that mean in terms of your zeal for the u.s.? >> when you grew up in liverpool, in the north of england, in the 19 eighties, when the coal mines that shut down, the steel mills, the cotton mills, and the whole north of england was a wasteland, you've seen billy elliott, you kind of get the picture. and he survived with a ballet dancing, i did not have those skills. but i don't want survived in the streets of liverpool where unemployment rates were soaring. there was a massive heroin epidemic in the city, it had
lost its mission as a -- products were sent out to the world. i survived really, by living through american culture, fantasy island, hearts of harp, chicago bears, music of run-dmc, tracey chapman, all of which really spoke to me. it gave me courage. give me joy, a sense of hope whereas there was known at home. when you have that from afar, it is like, it gives you life that you would not otherwise have, joshua. >> i'm sure that they clout -- level give you hope as a -- i'm not sure many americans would be that way. >> i was always team dock in every way. but again, you see somebody like miami than vice, don johnson, you see a gentleman who singular instyle. wearing esper drills, no socks to take on the world, and it speaks to you in confidence and how to really engage with the world. >> what about this uk team? according to the uk migration
museum, seven of england's starting 11 players in the match, prior to today's, have parents or grandparents born overseas. seven out of the 11. what is this conversation about immigration and english-ness? especially with the euro? >> unfortunately, the teams true english-ness ultimately went out. they remained in cleats, a cycle of agony, a big dream, shattered dreams. i felt sorry for the english fans. losing a penalty shootout is such a cruel way for a cast of characters who have been in lockdown. they've had the horrors of brexit before that. but this team, joshua, you are right is a young team. it is a joyous team. it is a face of young individuals who really represent all that is good about the world. a team that reinvented what's footballers should be in the world. ten years ago, footballers were seen as party loving champagne swilling, drive a lambeau,
crash a lambeau, by another lambeau. these guys reinvented it. they use the platform as a force of. good they campaigned for lgbtq rights. anti racism, child poverty, hunger, mental illness. they've really become a modern face, a happy face of the nation. a happy face that i hope comes to be. >> i think that the most english thing that you have done so far as describe the word sufficient cleats. i don't know many americans would come up with that turn of phrase. but i don't know... that could be a rap lyric. so, maybe, that could be history repeats like specifics in a pair of cleats. god, that's maybe a possibility. >> it is a national chore, that is the honest truth. they're gonna turn to 50 -- they are like charlie brown, perpetually running into football. >> even with that, i think that this national from about being able to win the euro, and the national identity that is wrapped up in, you know, soccer around the world. witches sometime spilled over
into acts of hooliganism that have finds against england fans for reckless behavior during the your tournament this year, that feels like it's wrapped up in it too. do you feel like the english want to have this conversation about identity? or is it kind of being forced because of the euro tournament? >> no, i watch football because ultimately, particularly national football, what does it holds up a mirror to the society that surrounds it, for good or for bad. and this england team have been brave, deeply courageous, and the manager -- he's like the last sane human being left in england. he was prime minister with his emotional intelligence, england will probably be scandinavia. but, from the very beginning, they really showed england a deeply divided nation that they are. half of the fans booed at them when they -- support anti racist england. so, ultimately football teams are truly just a refraction of the nation that surrounds them.
the joy, and it has been incredible in this euro, watching them. it's been a rip your shirt off, throw your beers in the air joy that people have jumped out for 17 months. it created a unity, a fleeting unity. the illusion of unity perhaps. and now tomorrow, there will be hangovers, an england will still have to deal with the challenges. but really, those that face modern britain before the heroes are still there unfortunately. >> the book is called reborn in the usa, an englishman's love letter to his chosen home. roger bennett, thank you very much. >> joshua, courage. >> america may be lukewarm on european soccer, but we are red-hot about spelling bees. we have some really great responses about the impact that these competitions of had on you. and we need to clarify something from last nights essay. a nuance of how we talk about race, today. that is all ahead before we go. an online food delivery service. business was steady, until...
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the anglo kids, i would remember the spelling bee that i won. it helped bolster my confidence no matter what, the teacher said. suzanne in portland, oregon rights, i was an 11-year-old girl in a catholic elementary school in seventh grade 1960 in rochester new york, and our school was chosen to have a spelling bee and send our winner to a large competition. i want to spelling bee and a boy in my class came in second place. the non-in charge took me aside and told me that, because he was a boy, he would be able to go to the big competition. i just accepted that and never sent awards anyone, including my parents, to this day. after hearing your news about this on the nbc yesterday, i told a couple of my close girlfriends. but this is always haunted me. wow. we got a number of comments like this one from carole regarding something we should clarify. carol writes, i have one corrections here historical interpretation of his ayoola's winning of the scripts national spelling bee. it was interesting that you uncovered the actual first black spelling bee champion
from 1908. most of us didn't know anything about her, so i'm grateful for the education. however, you missed the actual second black spelling bee champion and the first black scripts winner. that was 12 year old jody and maxwell of jamaica in 1998. technically insulin might be called the second african-american winner, but she's not the second black winner unless you're referring only to the scripts contest. this is one of those tricky nuances of recent culture. this week's winner is the first african american champion of the scripts national spelling bee but a jamaican girl name jody and maxwell won in the 19 nineties. she is jamaican but not american, so it's appropriate to call her black, but not african american. but still, the point is well taken. there are other winners of african descent even though zaila it is the first one born in the u.s.. and lillian in grants fourth north dakota and rights, from 1929 to 1930, when i won the county's phone call test held
an rv for room school house in niagara, north dakota, and my sister edith one in her age group as well. i'm 103 years old now, but i still remember it all. here's how it worked, you stood to spell your first word and as long as you spelled words correctly, you step standing. but if you missed, you had to go sit down. i was the last one standing every year. the price was a gold medal with a blue ribbon attached to it, and they put my name and the grand forks herald newspaper. wow. at 103, thank you for sharing your stories with us. all of you, we always love to hear from you. so do stay in touch. or on twitter and tiktok at the week, msnbc. we're also on instagram at the week msnbc. come back at friday night 7 pm eastern live on peacock. you can sign up for the app free on peacock tv.com and we are on msnbc saturdays 8 to 10, sundays from 9 to 10. but until we meet again, i'm joshua johnston. thanks as always for making time for us and make it a wonderful week. good night. od night rring them, paying them...
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